How would you feel if your medication was denied to you?

if Politicians keep cannabis from being used as a medicine its medically unethical

Don’t they realize that

keeping a natural substance from being used as a medication is medically unethical

no action means its become a human rights abuse

and that means we have criminals in parliament

Legalize medical cannabis and end Human Rights Abuse

How would you feel if your medication was denied to you?

Would you feel sick?, Would you want your medication so you can feel better?

Would legalising dope for medical use make it cheaper?

Just asking because, as therapeutic substances go, it’s pretty cheap now.

If not, you proposition would seem to be denying it to more people than it is currently available to.

CrazyNeutrino said:

How would you feel if your medication was denied to you?

if Politicians keep cannabis from being used as a medicine its medically unethical

Don’t they realize that

keeping a natural substance from being used as a medication is medically unethical

no action means its become a human rights abuse

and that means we have criminals in parliament

Legalize medical cannabis and end Human Rights Abuse

How would you feel if your medication was denied to you?

Would you feel sick?, Would you want your medication so you can feel better?

We know that weed will conquer all because without weed, civilisation as we know it would never have been.

However, this is not your battle.

CrazyNeutrino said:

keeping a natural substance from being used as a medication is medically unethical

Perhaps one of the dumbest statements I’ve ever seen promulgated on this site.

sibeen said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

keeping a natural substance from being used as a medication is medically unethical

Perhaps one of the dumbest statements I’ve ever seen promulgated on this site.

‘Natural’ pharmaceuticals are a bugger’s muddle. I have to admit I am slightly attracted to the explanation that goes ‘No-one will invest money to research a substance that’s widely available (over which they have no hope of gaining patent) so many potentially beneficial therapies go unproven’ (read ‘dismissed by medical science’). You may well counter this argument with ‘But if it’s proven to be effective, medical science will adopt it’ and in a perfect world, I would agree….

This does not mean I’m going to use unproven pharmaceuticals, be they natural or otherwise, next time one of the RuleKids gets a fever – Only that I am aware that until someone stumped up the bucks for proper research, every drug, therapy or practice, was once unproven.

Rule 303 said:

Would legalising dope for medical use make it cheaper?

Just asking because, as therapeutic substances go, it’s pretty cheap now.

If not, you proposition would seem to be denying it to more people than it is currently available to.

nothing is more free than plantng and harvesting from your own breeding.

roughbarked said:

Rule 303 said:

Would legalising dope for medical use make it cheaper?

Just asking because, as therapeutic substances go, it’s pretty cheap now.

If not, you proposition would seem to be denying it to more people than it is currently available to.

nothing is more free than plantng and harvesting from your own breeding.

God created the seeded herb and indeed we never heard from him since.

sibeen said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

keeping a natural substance from being used as a medication is medically unethical

Perhaps one of the dumbest statements I’ve ever seen promulgated on this site.

Youi’ll probably see more if you stick around to watch.

roughbarked said:

nothing is more free than plantng and harvesting from your own breeding.

There are, of course, the coagulating influences of property ownership and attendant costs of the maintenance thereof.

Indeed, some would say that the best possible definition for the word Money is ‘that form of property which best frees its owner from the cohesive effects of ownership’.

;-)

The University of Sydney has received its largest ever research donation with $33 million given to fund medicinal cannabinoid research.

Businessman Barry Lambert and his wife Joy today gave the university the funding which is expected to place Australia at the forefront of advances in medical marijuana research.

Mr Lambert said the donation was inspired by their granddaughter who lives with epilepsy.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-12/businessman-donates-record-33m-to-medicinal-marijuana-research/6541666

Rule 303 said:

roughbarked said:

nothing is more free than plantng and harvesting from your own breeding.

There are, of course, the coagulating influences of property ownership and attendant costs of the maintenance thereof.

Indeed, some would say that the best possible definition for the word Money is ‘that form of property which best frees its owner from the cohesive effects of ownership’.

;-)

Well put. ;)

tauto said:

Mr Lambert said the donation was inspired by their granddaughter who lives with epilepsy.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-12/businessman-donates-record-33m-to-medicinal-marijuana-research/6541666

Some would say it was inspired by the coming of the age of reason. I would say I have seen it a hundred times – 60ish blokes who, momentarily overwhelmed by the realisation that they have stupidly spent their life in the pursuit of meaningless bullshit that never made any difference to anything, grasp at the illusion of that opportunity anew.

It’s poignant.

Rule 303 said:

tauto said:

Mr Lambert said the donation was inspired by their granddaughter who lives with epilepsy.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-12/businessman-donates-record-33m-to-medicinal-marijuana-research/6541666

Some would say it was inspired by the coming of the age of reason. I would say I have seen it a hundred times – 60ish blokes who, momentarily overwhelmed by the realisation that they have stupidly spent their life in the pursuit of meaningless bullshit that never made any difference to anything, grasp at the illusion of that opportunity anew.

It’s poignant.

He can have his hour. If we ignore him he’ll never notice.

Rule 303 said:

tauto said:

Mr Lambert said the donation was inspired by their granddaughter who lives with epilepsy.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-12/businessman-donates-record-33m-to-medicinal-marijuana-research/6541666

Some would say it was inspired by the coming of the age of reason. I would say I have seen it a hundred times – 60ish blokes who, momentarily overwhelmed by the realisation that they have stupidly spent their life in the pursuit of meaningless bullshit that never made any difference to anything, grasp at the illusion of that opportunity anew.

It’s poignant.

—-

blink

You can’t judge a person just because it might be you.:)

furious said:

Definitely appropriate. Save that image for some of my posts later.

“State Politicans are Criminals”

Why yes, yes they are.

roughbarked said:

We know that weed will conquer all because without weed, civilisation as we know it would never have been.

However, this is not your battle.

Well it wouldn’t be civilisation “as we know it”.

Probably it would be very much better.

sibeen said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

keeping a natural substance from being used as a medication is medically unethical

Perhaps one of the dumbest statements I’ve ever seen promulgated on this site.

Why is that?

Maybe you just haven’t thought about it a lot like I have

have a read a of medical ethics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_ethics

from the link

Values in medical ethics

A common framework used in the analysis of medical ethics is the “four principles” approach postulated by Tom Beauchamp and James Childress in their textbook Principles of biomedical ethics. It recognizes four basic moral principles, which are to be judged and weighed against each other, with attention given to the scope of their application. The four principles are:

Respect for autonomy – the patient has the right to refuse or choose their treatment. (Voluntas aegroti suprema lex.) Beneficence – a practitioner should act in the best interest of the patient. (Salus aegroti suprema lex.) Non-maleficence – “first, do no harm” (primum non nocere). Justice – concerns the distribution of scarce health resources, and the decision of who gets what treatment (fairness and equality). (Iustitia.)

Other values that are sometimes discussed include:

Respect for persons – the patient (and the person treating the patient) have the right to be treated with dignity. Truthfulness and honesty – the concept of informed consent has increased in importance since the historical events of the Doctors’ Trial of the Nuremberg trials and Tuskegee syphilis experiment.

Values such as these do not give answers as to how to handle a particular situation, but provide a useful framework for understanding conflicts.

When moral values are in conflict, the result may be an ethical dilemma or crisis. Sometimes, no good solution to a dilemma in medical ethics exists, and, on occasion, the values of the medical community (i.e., the hospital and its staff) conflict with the values of the individual patient, family, or larger non-medical community. Conflicts can also arise between health care providers, or among family members. Some argue for example, that the principles of autonomy and beneficence clash when patients refuse blood transfusions, considering them life-saving; and truth-telling was not emphasized to a large extent before the HIV era.

Tell me why my statement is dumb

>>> keeping a natural substance from being used as a medication is medically unethical

Perhaps one of the dumbest statements I’ve ever seen promulgated on this site.

you know what

I cannot go the chemist and get the medication I need which is a mouth spray with a dose of CBD/THC

other people can go the chemist and get their medications

why cant I

Why is the legalization of medical cannabis taking so long when other prescription drugs are passed all the time

tell me why my statement is dumb

CrazyNeutrino said:

sibeen said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

keeping a natural substance from being used as a medication is medically unethical

Perhaps one of the dumbest statements I’ve ever seen promulgated on this site.

Why is that?

Possibly because there are many natural substances that are harmful?

If you keep a natural substance from being used as a medication when its shown to have many medicinal uses,

then those people that can benefit from it are being denied medical relief

and that is medically unethical

tell me why my statement is dumb

CrazyNeutrino said:

If you keep a natural substance from being used as a medication when its shown to have many medicinal uses,

then those people that can benefit from it are being denied medical relief

and that is medically unethical

tell me why my statement is dumb

You have changed your statement.

The Rev Dodgson said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

sibeen said:

Perhaps one of the dumbest statements I’ve ever seen promulgated on this site.

Why is that?

Possibly because there are many natural substances that are harmful?

what about all the medicines in a pharmacy that are harmful?

Cannabis is less harmful than Tobacco and alcohol.

The Rev Dodgson said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

If you keep a natural substance from being used as a medication when its shown to have many medicinal uses,

then those people that can benefit from it are being denied medical relief

and that is medically unethical

tell me why my statement is dumb

You have changed your statement.

Is it an improvement?

is it more understandable?

CrazyNeutrino said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Why is that?

Possibly because there are many natural substances that are harmful?

what about all the medicines in a pharmacy that are harmful?

What about them?

CrazyNeutrino said:

Cannabis is less harmful than Tobacco and alcohol.

Even if that is true (which is highly debateable), it does not change the status of your original statement, which referred to natural substances in general.

CrazyNeutrino said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

If you keep a natural substance from being used as a medication when its shown to have many medicinal uses,

then those people that can benefit from it are being denied medical relief

and that is medically unethical

tell me why my statement is dumb

You have changed your statement.

Is it an improvement?

is it more understandable?

Yes, it’s an improvement.

It’s probably also a more accurate statement of what you actually meant.

As to whether it is true, I think you would also have to consider the quality and extent of the evidence that the substance was both beneficial and unharmful, or at least that the benefit exceeded the harm, when administered under medical supervision.

CN,

Cyanide is natural, so is Arsenic and a whole range of other deadly substances. The natural argument is a complete load of bollocks. When you’re carrying on like this, it’s difficult to take you seriously.

Medically unethical is allowing or promoting a substance that has not undergone appropriate clinical trials to determine efficacy for proscribed conditions.

I’m 100% behind drug reform in this country, but until the science is done, the medicinal argument is based on nothing more than anecdote. I have no doubt that some people find relief from their conditions by using cannabis. But the vast majority just want to get stoned and are using the argument as they think it’ll be an easier sell.

I think that the medical use of cannabis argument is a bit of a smokescreen for legalising recreational use.

there – I said it.

Teleost said:

CN,

Cyanide is natural, so is Arsenic and a whole range of other deadly substances. The natural argument is a complete load of bollocks. When you’re carrying on like this, it’s difficult to take you seriously.

Medically unethical is allowing or promoting a substance that has not undergone appropriate clinical trials to determine efficacy for proscribed conditions.

I’m 100% behind drug reform in this country, but until the science is done, the medicinal argument is based on nothing more than anecdote. I have no doubt that some people find relief from their conditions by using cannabis. But the vast majority just want to get stoned and are using the argument as they think it’ll be an easier sell.

Cyanide and Arsenic kill

Cannabis does not

party_pants said:

I think that the medical use of cannabis argument is a bit of a smokescreen for legalising recreational use.

there – I said it.

and you just dismissed all those who use cannabis for medical relief

CrazyNeutrino said:

party_pants said:

I think that the medical use of cannabis argument is a bit of a smokescreen for legalising recreational use.

there – I said it.

and you just dismissed all those who use cannabis for medical relief

Yeah, i’m an arsehole.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Cyanide and Arsenic kill

Cannabis does not

Not in the way that cyanide and arsenic kill, no, but does it kill in the same way that tobacco and alcohol kill?

Yes, it does.

party_pants said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

party_pants said:

I think that the medical use of cannabis argument is a bit of a smokescreen for legalising recreational use.

there – I said it.

and you just dismissed all those who use cannabis for medical relief

Yeah, i’m an arsehole.

how about this heat?..

party_pants said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

party_pants said:

I think that the medical use of cannabis argument is a bit of a smokescreen for legalising recreational use.

there – I said it.

and you just dismissed all those who use cannabis for medical relief

Yeah, i’m an arsehole.

A poorly informed one?

Medicinal cannabis research gets $33m from grandparents of girl with epilepsy

The grandparents of three-year-old girl with a rare form of epilepsy have made a $33.7m donation to the University of Sydney to fund medicinal cannabis research.

Announcing their donation at the university on Friday, Barry and Joy Lambert said international research suggested their granddaughter Katelyn, who suffers hundreds of seizures each day, may benefit from medicinal cannabis treatment.

more..

do countries who have legalised marijuana have lower rates of the conditions it is supposed to work on?

from
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/12/medicinal-cannabis-research-gets-37m-from-grandparents-of-girl-with-epilepsy

A US-led study published in April that examined 75 child epilepsy sufferers found that of those with Dravet syndrome, 23% responded to treatment with oral cannabis extracts. The authors concluded there was a need for larger and more rigorous studies to evaluate the efficacy and safety of the treatment for paediatric epilepsies, but found it was well tolerated in their sample.

from

http://www.nationalmssociety.org/Treating-MS/Complementary-Alternative-Medicines/Marijuana

A controlled study found that nabiximols (Sativex®, GW Pharmaceuticals plc), an oral spray derived from Cannabis, significantly improved spasticity in a proportion of people with MS who had been identified as likely to respond to the therapy. Alena Novotna, MD, and colleagues in the Sativex Spasticity Study Group report these results in the European Journal of Neurology (2011 Mar 1, Epub ahead of print). Well-controlled clinical trials such as this one help sort out conflicting findings surrounding the use of cannabis and related products to treat MS symptoms. Sativex is now available in 11 countries and approved in an additional 13 countries – not including the United States – to treat MS-related spasticity.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/apr/19/victoria-and-queensland-announce-medicinal-marijuana-trials

Victoria and Queensland have joined New South Wales in taking part in a clinical trial for the use of medicinal marijuana.

The three largest eastern states will decriminalise the use of cannabis oil for the treatment of conditions like chemotherapy-related nausea, drug-resistant severe epilepsy and in palliative care.

New South Wales announced that it would hold clinical trials for the substance in December last year, and the premiers of Queensland and Victoria said they had decided to hold similar trials after a meeting in the lead up to Friday’s Council of Australian Governments (Coag) meeting.

Good

Its Good that something is being done now

I retract my statement that State Politicians are criminals on this matter

party_pants said:

I think that the medical use of cannabis argument is a bit of a smokescreen for legalising recreational use.

there – I said it.

You’re thinking of all that noise a few years back about growing hemp for ‘fibre-production’ purposes.

“We just want to plant lots and lots of hemp plants, vast quantities, so we can turn them into fibres for cloth and paper manufacture, and stuff like that. The non-smokable kind of hemp, of course. Would we grow some awfully profitable wacky weed amongst all that agriculture? Oh, lordy mercy me, goodness, no, we’d never think of doing such a thing. Perish the thought.”

I feel chemically insulted, and further medicalizationally insulted

it’s always made me wonder if just having a bit of magnesium in your diet could help with things like cramping of the muscles , cardiac and neurological problems such as murmurs and epilepsy.

wookiemeister said:

it’s always made me wonder if just having a bit of magnesium in your diet could help with things like cramping of the muscles , cardiac and neurological problems such as murmurs and epilepsy.

do the experiment and report back…

you can buy a kilo of magnesium sulphate for peanuts in the super market

I periodically mix up half s teaspoon into juice now and then

stumpy_seahorse said:

wookiemeister said:

it’s always made me wonder if just having a bit of magnesium in your diet could help with things like cramping of the muscles , cardiac and neurological problems such as murmurs and epilepsy.

do the experiment and report back…

any guinea pigs out there?

it helps with muscle cramping – I periodically used it if I’ve been sweating a lot at work , it can stop cramping in your get and legs if you do a lot of swimming .

When I was catching the bus regularly I often recommended magnesium to people, never had any complaints.
I did once recommend apricot seeds to one poor woman, don’t know how she got on, we never saw her again.

Peak Warming Man said:

When I was catching the bus regularly I often recommended magnesium to people, never had any complaints.
I did once recommend apricot seeds to one poor woman, don’t know how she got on, we never saw her again.

You killed her!!!!

bob(from black rock) said:

Peak Warming Man said:

When I was catching the bus regularly I often recommended magnesium to people, never had any complaints.
I did once recommend apricot seeds to one poor woman, don’t know how she got on, we never saw her again.

You killed her!!!!

What other metals can people digest in the body

there is

iron

magnesium

zinc

CrazyNeutrino said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Peak Warming Man said:

When I was catching the bus regularly I often recommended magnesium to people, never had any complaints.
I did once recommend apricot seeds to one poor woman, don’t know how she got on, we never saw her again.

You killed her!!!!

What other metals can people digest in the body

there is

iron

magnesium

zinc

Lead

Mercury