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bob(from black rock) said:

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Because it negatively affects a lot more people than the selfish pricks who do it

bob(from black rock) said:

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People who attempt it aren’t in the right frame of mind perhaps and their life may get better
I personally think its a selfish act as you essentially punish those that care about you if you die

Dropbear said:

bob(from black rock) said:

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Because it negatively affects a lot more people than the selfish pricks who do it

You are not meant to mention that though even though its true

Dropbear said:

Because it negatively affects a lot more people than the selfish pricks who do it

I don’t think it’s fair to label those who might be suffering with untreatable mental illness selfish.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Dropbear said:

Because it negatively affects a lot more people than the selfish pricks who do it

I don’t think it’s fair to label those who might be suffering with untreatable mental illness selfish.

I don’t care

Witty Rejoinder said:

Dropbear said:

Because it negatively affects a lot more people than the selfish pricks who do it

I don’t think it’s fair to label those who might be suffering with untreatable mental illness selfish.

Perhaps those that have a untreatable mental illness no, but how many suicides are by those people I wonder.

Dropbear said:

I don’t care

When you get cancer everyone feels sorry for you but if you’re mentally ill you’re told to suck it up. No wonder people kill themselves.

A lot of the time it would be done out of despair for how one’s life has turned out, but most if not all people who attempt it would have others that care about them and they are the ones who will suffer after they have gone and blame themselves for the rest of their lives.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Dropbear said:

I don’t care

When you get cancer everyone feels sorry for you but if you’re mentally ill you’re told to suck it up. No wonder people kill themselves.

But is killing yourself when you aren’t dying from some horrible painful disease the solution.

I do not consider suicide to be selfish. At least not in the cases I know. I feel immensely sad for the people who were so far down into the darkness that they could see no other way out. But I would not for a moment force them to continue living in that hell. That would be selfish of me, because I am only thinking of the hurt to me that their choice has.

buffy said:

I do not consider suicide to be selfish. At least not in the cases I know. I feel immensely sad for the people who were so far down into the darkness that they could see no other way out. But I would not for a moment force them to continue living in that hell. That would be selfish of me, because I am only thinking of the hurt to me that their choice has.

10/10 buffy.

Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Dropbear said:

I don’t care

When you get cancer everyone feels sorry for you but if you’re mentally ill you’re told to suck it up. No wonder people kill themselves.

But is killing yourself when you aren’t dying from some horrible painful disease the solution.

That’s the only time I’m ok with suicide, when faced with the suffering of a terminal disease

Dropbear said:

Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

When you get cancer everyone feels sorry for you but if you’re mentally ill you’re told to suck it up. No wonder people kill themselves.

But is killing yourself when you aren’t dying from some horrible painful disease the solution.

That’s the only time I’m ok with suicide, when faced with the suffering of a terminal disease

Life is a terminal disease.

Dropbear said:

Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

When you get cancer everyone feels sorry for you but if you’re mentally ill you’re told to suck it up. No wonder people kill themselves.

But is killing yourself when you aren’t dying from some horrible painful disease the solution.

That’s the only time I’m ok with suicide, when faced with the suffering of a terminal disease

That is very generous of you Dropkick, thankyou.

bob(from black rock) said:

Dropbear said:

Cymek said:

But is killing yourself when you aren’t dying from some horrible painful disease the solution.

That’s the only time I’m ok with suicide, when faced with the suffering of a terminal disease

Life is a terminal disease.

Fuck off with a stupid negative attitude like that. Life is all you’ve got mister. This ain’t no dress rehearsal. There are no fluffy clouds and harps waiting..

And one of the reasons I have the attitude I have is exactly that Droppy. It helps to understand that afterwards is simple peace of nothingness and not be worrying about heavens and hells.

buffy said:

And one of the reasons I have the attitude I have is exactly that Droppy. It helps to understand that afterwards is simple peace of nothingness and not be worrying about heavens and hells.

The poor bugger will get no peace because he is infected/ brain damaged.

buffy said:

And one of the reasons I have the attitude I have is exactly that Droppy. It helps to understand that afterwards is simple peace of nothingness and not be worrying about heavens and hells.

That’s not an excuse to throw away all that is, buffy…

But anyhow, it’d my piece..

Dropbear said:

buffy said:

And one of the reasons I have the attitude I have is exactly that Droppy. It helps to understand that afterwards is simple peace of nothingness and not be worrying about heavens and hells.

That’s not an excuse to throw away all that is, buffy…

But anyhow, it’d my piece..

No, but it is a reason to escape from a living hell. If all that is is unbearable, I won’t make you suffer it to save my sensibilities.

And bob….some civility would be a good idea.

Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Dropbear said:

I don’t care

When you get cancer everyone feels sorry for you but if you’re mentally ill you’re told to suck it up. No wonder people kill themselves.

But is killing yourself when you aren’t dying from some horrible painful disease the solution.

Most people who kill themselves are suffering from deep depression or other mental illness, and yes it is an illness that they can no longer bear.

buffy said:

Dropbear said:

buffy said:

And one of the reasons I have the attitude I have is exactly that Droppy. It helps to understand that afterwards is simple peace of nothingness and not be worrying about heavens and hells.

That’s not an excuse to throw away all that is, buffy…

But anyhow, it’d my piece..

No, but it is a reason to escape from a living hell. If all that is is unbearable, I won’t make you suffer it to save my sensibilities.

And bob….some civility would be a good idea.

buffy, sorry, where did I transgress?

It looked like you were insulting Droppy. You don’t have to agree with him. This is a difficult subject.

buffy said:

It looked like you were insulting Droppy. You don’t have to agree with him. This is a difficult subject.

Sorry, thankyou, so he is entitled to throw shit over everyone? and we are not to dub his nose in it?

Suicide was a criminal offence until quite recently. If someone failed, they could be charged for attempting it. For Christians, suicide is also listed as a sin. So historically, there has been a strong push for suicide to be considered unacceptable.

Personally, I have never experienced the level of angst to seriously consider it. Until I do, I don’t think I am in a position to comment on it. Likewise, until I am suffering from a debilitating terminal illness, I am not in a position to comment on euthanasia either.

bob(from black rock) said:

buffy said:

It looked like you were insulting Droppy. You don’t have to agree with him. This is a difficult subject.

Sorry, thankyou, so he is entitled to throw shit over everyone? and we are not to dub his nose in it?

nods in agreement.

Some of you people in this thread are coming across as godless atheists. Maybe some of you even have communist tendencies.

You need a good hard look in the mirror, IMHO.

bob(from black rock) said:

buffy said:

It looked like you were insulting Droppy. You don’t have to agree with him. This is a difficult subject.

Sorry, thankyou, so he is entitled to throw shit over everyone? and we are not to dub his nose in it?

To quote my mother (before she lost the plot) – no, you have to show you are better than that.

sibeen said:

Some of you people in this thread are coming across as godless atheists. Maybe some of you even have communist tendencies.

You need a good hard look in the mirror, IMHO.

Sounds like a Popist speaking.

PermeateFree said:

sibeen said:

Some of you people in this thread are coming across as godless atheists. Maybe some of you even have communist tendencies.

You need a good hard look in the mirror, IMHO.

Sounds like a Popist speaking.

I much prefer ‘Papist’.

sibeen said:

Some of you people in this thread are coming across as godless atheists. Maybe some of you even have communist tendencies.

You need a good hard look in the mirror, IMHO.

Already have…..I saw what you describe. Funny, that. Although I think I prefer socialist as a description, actually.

:)

sibeen said:

PermeateFree said:

sibeen said:

Some of you people in this thread are coming across as godless atheists. Maybe some of you even have communist tendencies.

You need a good hard look in the mirror, IMHO.

Sounds like a Popist speaking.

I much prefer ‘Papist’.

You can go either way. Go check!

sibeen said:

PermeateFree said:

sibeen said:

Some of you people in this thread are coming across as godless atheists. Maybe some of you even have communist tendencies.

You need a good hard look in the mirror, IMHO.

Sounds like a Popist speaking.

I much prefer ‘Papist’.

Lets go with poopist?

sibeen said:

Some of you people in this thread are coming across as godless atheists. Maybe some of you even have communist tendencies.

You need a good hard look in the mirror, IMHO.

But….but….I am a godless atheist

And bob, if you don’t like straight up answers, don’t start provocative threads..

I gave a “straight up” question, you gave a provocative answer, but then that is your MOD.

bob(from black rock) said:

I gave a “straight up” question, you gave a provocative answer, but then that is your MOD.

True.

should be a dedicated TV channel, and ‘studio’ (hints art) with whatever you need.

tell me hardly anyone would watch it.

I’m pretty relaxed about the idea in some cases.

Dropbear said:

sibeen said:

Some of you people in this thread are coming across as godless atheists. Maybe some of you even have communist tendencies.

You need a good hard look in the mirror, IMHO.

But….but….I am a godless atheist

But you have theological quolls…

Neophyte said:

Dropbear said:

sibeen said:

Some of you people in this thread are coming across as godless atheists. Maybe some of you even have communist tendencies.

You need a good hard look in the mirror, IMHO.

But….but….I am a godless atheist

But you have theological quolls…

Like the arch bishop of Canterbury

theological quolls? do they supply spiritual comfort to marsupials?

Dropbear said:

bob(from black rock) said:

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Because it negatively affects a lot more people than the selfish pricks who do it

They could learn to see it in a different light. Like for example he saved them decades of anguish.

ChrispenEvan said:

theological quolls? do they supply spiritual comfort to marsupials?

Only the true believers.

Cymek said:

Dropbear said:

bob(from black rock) said:

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Because it negatively affects a lot more people than the selfish pricks who do it

You are not meant to mention that though even though its true

For example, the people who jump in front of peak hour trains. Clogs the network for hours.

Divine Angel said:

Cymek said:

Dropbear said:

Because it negatively affects a lot more people than the selfish pricks who do it

You are not meant to mention that though even though its true

For example, the people who jump in front of peak hour trains. Clogs the network for hours.

They wouldn’t do that if there were designated suicide playgrounds allotted.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

When you get cancer everyone feels sorry for you but if you’re mentally ill you’re told to suck it up. No wonder people kill themselves.

But is killing yourself when you aren’t dying from some horrible painful disease the solution.

Most people who kill themselves are suffering from deep depression or other mental illness, and yes it is an illness that they can no longer bear.

Perhaps, I am not exactly happy with my life, depressed perhaps but I’d never consider suicide, even little things can make life worth living. Humans go on about how we value life but we don’t really, we kill each other over the most petty of reasons, life is precious and that includes ones own. People who kill themselves don’t see any hope but is that true for most of them I wonder. Anyway those that kill themselves leave behind a mess, lots of guilty and anguish for those that loved them

People often value their pets, but I don’t see the same amount of opposition to killing animals by lethal injection, whether or not the animal wants to die.

Perhaps the opposition is because it’s believed that depression can be cured – sometimes it can.

PS. In the film “It’s a wonderful life” I hated the ending. George should have died jumping from the bridge. Then everyone else would have lived happily ever after.

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

But is killing yourself when you aren’t dying from some horrible painful disease the solution.

Most people who kill themselves are suffering from deep depression or other mental illness, and yes it is an illness that they can no longer bear.

Perhaps, I am not exactly happy with my life, depressed perhaps but I’d never consider suicide, even little things can make life worth living. Humans go on about how we value life but we don’t really, we kill each other over the most petty of reasons, life is precious and that includes ones own. People who kill themselves don’t see any hope but is that true for most of them I wonder. Anyway those that kill themselves leave behind a mess, lots of guilty and anguish for those that loved them

Cymek, you have no idea what you are talking about. As a twist to an argument, just count yourself lucky that you don’t.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Most people who kill themselves are suffering from deep depression or other mental illness, and yes it is an illness that they can no longer bear.

Perhaps, I am not exactly happy with my life, depressed perhaps but I’d never consider suicide, even little things can make life worth living. Humans go on about how we value life but we don’t really, we kill each other over the most petty of reasons, life is precious and that includes ones own. People who kill themselves don’t see any hope but is that true for most of them I wonder. Anyway those that kill themselves leave behind a mess, lots of guilty and anguish for those that loved them

Cymek, you have no idea what you are talking about. As a twist to an argument, just count yourself lucky that you don’t.

Says you, my opinion is a valid as yours. Shall I be blunt and say suicide is the act of a selfish coward whose given up on life

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

Perhaps, I am not exactly happy with my life, depressed perhaps but I’d never consider suicide, even little things can make life worth living. Humans go on about how we value life but we don’t really, we kill each other over the most petty of reasons, life is precious and that includes ones own. People who kill themselves don’t see any hope but is that true for most of them I wonder. Anyway those that kill themselves leave behind a mess, lots of guilty and anguish for those that loved them

Cymek, you have no idea what you are talking about. As a twist to an argument, just count yourself lucky that you don’t.

Says you, my opinion is a valid as yours. Shall I be blunt and say suicide is the act of a selfish coward whose given up on life

Depression is not an opinion, it is an illness. To say someone who would kill themselves as a selfish coward is just plain stupid and again reflects your level of understanding.

Cymek said:

Says you, my opinion is a valid as yours. Shall I be blunt and say suicide is the act of a selfish coward whose given up on life

Why a “selfish coward”? There can be sensible reasons for giving up on life. This is why there’s a lot of sensible popular support for assisted suicide in appropriate circumstances.

On the other hand, there are also a lot of people who attempt or commit suicide when in a disturbed and highly irrational state of mind, and that’s tragic. We have to bear in mind the difference between wanting to end one’s life as a rational response to deteriorating quality of life, and wanting to end one’s life in a passing moment of distorted judgment.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek, you have no idea what you are talking about. As a twist to an argument, just count yourself lucky that you don’t.

Says you, my opinion is a valid as yours. Shall I be blunt and say suicide is the act of a selfish coward whose given up on life

Depression is not an opinion, it is an illness. To say someone who would kill themselves as a selfish coward is just plain stupid and again reflects your level of understanding.

They still have free will and control over their own actions regardless of being depressed or not. Explain how some people can come from the most abhorent lives and still have the will to live and others don’t its a choice they make.

Bubblecar said:

Cymek said:

Says you, my opinion is a valid as yours. Shall I be blunt and say suicide is the act of a selfish coward whose given up on life

Why a “selfish coward”? There can be sensible reasons for giving up on life. This is why there’s a lot of sensible popular support for assisted suicide in appropriate circumstances.

On the other hand, there are also a lot of people who attempt or commit suicide when in a disturbed and highly irrational state of mind, and that’s tragic. We have to bear in mind the difference between wanting to end one’s life as a rational response to deteriorating quality of life, and wanting to end one’s life in a passing moment of distorted judgment.

Exactly they commit suicide when other options are available, it is tragic someone would give up when their life can get better. I understand the difference one is a thought out option to a deteriorating quality of life and the other isn’t. What about these teenagers that top themselves because of something posted on Facebook, what a waste of a life for something they will probably think is trivial when they are older.

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

Says you, my opinion is a valid as yours. Shall I be blunt and say suicide is the act of a selfish coward whose given up on life

Depression is not an opinion, it is an illness. To say someone who would kill themselves as a selfish coward is just plain stupid and again reflects your level of understanding.

They still have free will and control over their own actions regardless of being depressed or not. Explain how some people can come from the most abhorent lives and still have the will to live and others don’t its a choice they make.

Cymek, depression is an illness of the mind where their outlook on life is completely different to a ‘normal’ person’s outlook. Your stated argument is not pertinent.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Depression is not an opinion, it is an illness. To say someone who would kill themselves as a selfish coward is just plain stupid and again reflects your level of understanding.

They still have free will and control over their own actions regardless of being depressed or not. Explain how some people can come from the most abhorent lives and still have the will to live and others don’t its a choice they make.

Cymek, depression is an illness of the mind where their outlook on life is completely different to a ‘normal’ person’s outlook. Your stated argument is not pertinent.

Yes but options are still available aren’t they, help can be had before the option of death is preferable.

(positive tone)

Some of it is partly of the word and word-concept and societal influences, like just take “-cide” (of suicide, and the many other uses)denotes ‘something that kills’, further, there is that aspect and associated influence that the state has a ‘monopoly over killing’ (part of what defines the state).

Generally though people try to encourage helping behaviours. Dead people are inconvenient, they rot and smell, and animals eat them and make a mess. It can be unexpected too and those nearest may not have planned for it.

Of course there’re any number of words or phrases one might replace ‘suicide’ with, a person may even develop their own concepts regards it and dismiss some maybe more typical ones that’re thought to exist.

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

Cymek said:

Says you, my opinion is a valid as yours. Shall I be blunt and say suicide is the act of a selfish coward whose given up on life

Why a “selfish coward”? There can be sensible reasons for giving up on life. This is why there’s a lot of sensible popular support for assisted suicide in appropriate circumstances.

On the other hand, there are also a lot of people who attempt or commit suicide when in a disturbed and highly irrational state of mind, and that’s tragic. We have to bear in mind the difference between wanting to end one’s life as a rational response to deteriorating quality of life, and wanting to end one’s life in a passing moment of distorted judgment.

Exactly they commit suicide when other options are available, it is tragic someone would give up when their life can get better. I understand the difference one is a thought out option to a deteriorating quality of life and the other isn’t. What about these teenagers that top themselves because of something posted on Facebook, what a waste of a life for something they will probably think is trivial when they are older.

Yes, like criminal cases and the people involved, these reports are just as simple…

I wonder if people that have killed themselves would have reconsidered if they could view the ramifications their manner of death had on others. Would they still go through with it if parents, sibling, spouses blamed themselves and spent their rest of their lives full of guilt and self loathing. Regardless of it being an illness of the mind it still has consequences outside of your own life.

Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

Cymek said:

Says you, my opinion is a valid as yours. Shall I be blunt and say suicide is the act of a selfish coward whose given up on life

Why a “selfish coward”? There can be sensible reasons for giving up on life. This is why there’s a lot of sensible popular support for assisted suicide in appropriate circumstances.

On the other hand, there are also a lot of people who attempt or commit suicide when in a disturbed and highly irrational state of mind, and that’s tragic. We have to bear in mind the difference between wanting to end one’s life as a rational response to deteriorating quality of life, and wanting to end one’s life in a passing moment of distorted judgment.

Exactly they commit suicide when other options are available, it is tragic someone would give up when their life can get better. I understand the difference one is a thought out option to a deteriorating quality of life and the other isn’t. What about these teenagers that top themselves because of something posted on Facebook, what a waste of a life for something they will probably think is trivial when they are older.

If your mind is in turmoil due to a variety of circumstances, having something detrimental posted on Facebook or the like, could well be the thing that pushes them over the edge. No body is saying what they are doing is ok, which is something you seem to be implying. However, it is a reason why they are doing so, whether you agree with it or not. Just remember you are dealing with people with highly disturbed minds who are not thinking rationally.

Our society based on looks, wealth and normality (whatever the hell that is) doesn’t exactly help people think rationally or believe they are worthy. It’s reflected in statistics that young white men are amongst the highest group who kill themselves even though supposedly they are ones in society who have the most power and are considered normal. Gay/lesbian people are also high on the suicide statistics because they are told be others (not all hopefully as we do seem to be getting better)they aren’t normal and are sick in the mind, that’s something all cultures should be ashamed of

I read some study a while ago, like ten years, about people who had attempted suicide but failed. Some of them had jumped off of high things and they recalled ‘changing their minds’ on the fall down. A lot failed in their attempt because they change their mind and call for help after a drug od. Does that mean all suicides change their mind? Probably not, but interesting study anyway.

also focussed on methods, gender differences and attempts as a call for help.

looking through ABS stuff in a library once

older guys will have a go killing themselves , around 60 or older

women will attempt but be less successful

suicides come in waves like on water, over the years there s rise and fall ; I put this down to them adjusting the interest rates and the state of the economy – things are good people stop killing themselves – things are bad – no money , endless taxes and no opportunity people start killing themselves in droves.

like drugs , people commit suicide because they are unhappy – my own take on it is that if were taken to their fullest potential I bet you’d not see a fraction of the social problems we see now

>things are bad – no money , endless taxes and no opportunity people start killing themselves in droves.

what of ‘retreat’, given your head, your body, your bed, your home, your yard, your area, your country, all are your retreat

wookiemeister said:

like drugs , people commit suicide because they are unhappy –

I’m not convinced the reasons are as simple as that.

Arts said:

wookiemeister said:

like drugs , people commit suicide because they are unhappy –

I’m not convinced the reasons are as simple as that.

It’s all black’n‘white in here today.

poikilotherm said:

Arts said:

wookiemeister said:

like drugs , people commit suicide because they are unhappy –

I’m not convinced the reasons are as simple as that.

It’s all black’n‘white in here today.

Bloody Collingwood supporters.

Arts said:

wookiemeister said:

like drugs , people commit suicide because they are unhappy –

I’m not convinced the reasons are as simple as that.

I’ve booked it down to its most fundamental level – I’ve not gone into the whys and wherefores

wookiemeister said:

Arts said:

wookiemeister said:

like drugs , people commit suicide because they are unhappy –

I’m not convinced the reasons are as simple as that.

I’ve boiled it down to its most fundamental level – I’ve not gone into the whys and wherefores

it’s rare for someone to commit suicide in normal circumstances if they are happy

wookiemeister said:

it’s rare for someone to commit suicide in normal circumstances if they are happy

poikilotherm said:

wookiemeister said:

it’s rare for someone to commit suicide in normal circumstances if they are happy

It’s goddam genius time in here this afternoon

wookiemeister said:

it’s rare for someone to commit suicide in normal circumstances if they are happy

But that’s the problem, a lot are being kept alive so that the “Death Industry” can keep getting money that people have accumulated over their life time out their estate, the longer these people are kept alive, the more money the “Death Industry” gets.

It’s goddam genius time in here this afternoon

and people wonder why i’m sometimes rude.

I consider suicide to be a viable option if I so choose. ie If my health declines to a point I am unable to look after myself or I have dementia.

A bottle of Beta Blockers should do it quite nicely – no traumatised train drivers or health workers.

chuckles

ChrispenEvan said:

It’s goddam genius time in here this afternoon

and people wonder why i’m sometimes rude.

Only sometimes. :) Good one!

>>What about these teenagers that top themselves because of something posted on Facebook, what a waste of a life for something they will probably think is trivial when they are older.<<

I think there is a theory that they do not entirely understand the finality of ‘dead’. They have some sort idea that killing themselves will teach their tormentors a lesson. I can’t recall which research I read about it, it would be some 10 years ago, I think.

poikilotherm said:

wookiemeister said:

it’s rare for someone to commit suicide in normal circumstances if they are happy

if that point was so obvious it would have already been pointed out

wookiemeister said:

poikilotherm said:

wookiemeister said:

it’s rare for someone to commit suicide in normal circumstances if they are happy

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if that point was so obvious it would have already been pointed out

By the way, during daylight hours the sky is blue…

young people killing themselves is considered bad because society wants to bleed them of their time , labour and vigour.

poikilotherm said:

wookiemeister said:

poikilotherm said:

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if that point was so obvious it would have already been pointed out

By the way, during daylight hours the sky is blue…

like at sunset?

wookiemeister said:

young people killing themselves is considered bad because society wants to bleed them of their time , labour and vigour.

I suppose that is one way of looking at wasted potential…

from a religious viewpoint suicide is considered bad because it takes away gods power – it’s gods will to take your life not your own.

AwesomeO said:

wookiemeister said:

young people killing themselves is considered bad because society wants to bleed them of their time , labour and vigour.

I suppose that is one way of looking at wasted potential…

yeah you can enslave them with a mortgage or a car loan.

wookiemeister said:

AwesomeO said:

wookiemeister said:

young people killing themselves is considered bad because society wants to bleed them of their time , labour and vigour.

I suppose that is one way of looking at wasted potential…

yeah you can enslave them with a mortgage or a car loan.

DocM wants his handle back.

the system needs something to feed on

there was a chick I vaguely knew working in a shop when I was a student on the weekends

she seemed full of life, someone I knew told me months after I left, that she had hung herself in her bedroom – didn’t even make it to 18. no one knew why she had done it. maybe she figured that all that lay before her was a lot of hard work and not getting anywhere and decided to go off on a high ?

what if

suicidal tendencies were actually caused by a bacteria attacking your brain / brain chemistry?

as in, the bacteria doesn’t require the person to survive but somehow just gets in there? the person suffering from it kills themselves and no one is the wiser – they just killed themselves – case solved.

if people were actually infected in some way no one would know – it would all just be a mystery

I don’t think of the “system” in such dystopian and directed ways as you. I don’t think it enslaves people in the same way you think, or at least I think of enslavement. Maybe I have read too much about what actual slavery consists of. It doesn’t consist of people willingly taking out a loan to buy a car or a house and a market that arises to fill that desire.

But of course we don’t live in anarchy either so society does influence and control its population to some extents. The difference is you percieve an over arching system directed at removing control, I see a chaotic system that has organised itself in a way that is mostly beneficial. We all benefit from rules of law fairly applied, from taxes that assist others, from money that we can purchase and systems of labour that organise to fulfil wants, without me denigrating those who work in those organisations as mindless drones or sheeple etc which is where your rhetoric leads.

i see wookie is posting a lot. must be right. or full of shit.

AwesomeO said:

I don’t think of the “system” in such dystopian and directed ways as you. I don’t think it enslaves people in the same way you think, or at least I think of enslavement. Maybe I have read too much about what actual slavery consists of. It doesn’t consist of people willingly taking out a loan to buy a car or a house and a market that arises to fill that desire.

But of course we don’t live in anarchy either so society does influence and control its population to some extents. The difference is you percieve an over arching system directed at removing control, I see a chaotic system that has organised itself in a way that is mostly beneficial. We all benefit from rules of law fairly applied, from taxes that assist others, from money that we can purchase and systems of labour that organise to fulfil wants, without me denigrating those who work in those organisations as mindless drones or sheeple etc which is where your rhetoric leads.

no I’m trying to imagine a world view as held by that person

it might be she liked a boy but had been rejected

ChrispenEvan said:

i see wookie is posting a lot. must be right. or full of shit.

you’re just angry tonight boris , go and get some sleep

obviously i can’t speak for those that suicided, but I can speak for myself as a survivor of various attempts.

Reflecting on the moments leading up to the attempts I can honestly say I was not thinking about what imams doing. In fact the people who acted to stop me say that I looked to be ‘in a daze’ and that I seemed to snap out of a ‘zone’ shortly after their actions.

I can clearly remember the fright and total freak out at realising what had just nearly happened.

It’s true that leading up to the attempt at suicide I had been thinking about death and peace and nothingness, but I can’t say that I opted to do what I attempted, or at least I have no recall of making the choice.

I can also say that prior to the act I had been ‘researching’ suicide statistics, methods and notes left behind by some that had succeeded in suiciding. I had even ‘noticed’ places that would make good choices for success. But I can honestly say I am not aware of ever processing the action plan prior to my attempts.

Yes I had and have diagnosed severe depression, but at that stage I was not managing it very well.

I think it is easy to label suicide as selfish, but I can say that at those stages I didn’t care about myself at all, so I could hardly have been selfish at all if I had succeeded. In fact I didn’t care about anything at all. At all. Selfishness implies caring about oneself over others. I didn’t care about self over anything at all. Nothing mattered at all.

huey said:

obviously i can’t speak for those that suicided, but I can speak for myself as a survivor of various attempts.

Reflecting on the moments leading up to the attempts I can honestly say I was not thinking about what imams doing. In fact the people who acted to stop me say that I looked to be ‘in a daze’ and that I seemed to snap out of a ‘zone’ shortly after their actions.

I can clearly remember the fright and total freak out at realising what had just nearly happened.

It’s true that leading up to the attempt at suicide I had been thinking about death and peace and nothingness, but I can’t say that I opted to do what I attempted, or at least I have no recall of making the choice.

I can also say that prior to the act I had been ‘researching’ suicide statistics, methods and notes left behind by some that had succeeded in suiciding. I had even ‘noticed’ places that would make good choices for success. But I can honestly say I am not aware of ever processing the action plan prior to my attempts.

Yes I had and have diagnosed severe depression, but at that stage I was not managing it very well.

I think it is easy to label suicide as selfish, but I can say that at those stages I didn’t care about myself at all, so I could hardly have been selfish at all if I had succeeded. In fact I didn’t care about anything at all. At all. Selfishness implies caring about oneself over others. I didn’t care about self over anything at all. Nothing mattered at all.

Failed suicides are fuck-ups. You should take pride in the fact that you are saving others from your incursions into their fake realities.

Give up now, they’ll never listen to you anyway.

Reach for the morning star.

roughbarked said:

Reach for the morning star.

This a blues song and probably sounds like all other blues songs.