does this forum need it?
does this forum need it?
I think so, otherwise it will just slowly die.
i could always advertise on the fb sssf page for new recruits.
Any new blood would have too first pass a driving test…
ChrispenEvan said:
i could always advertise on the fb sssf page for new recruits.
If they are on a facebook page wouldn’t they know about it already?
There are probably many exSSSF lurkers who we could perhaps encourage to post more if we asked nicely. It might help if we make an effort to start science based threads.
Are registrations open? Would not make sense to advertise but keep the gates locked. Plus the current owner of this site may not want t support it indefinitely…
i would email cb88 before i put it up on fb. just wanted to get an idea if people were interested or no.
We’re all old acquaintances here so there isn’t too much friction but new entrants might increase the need for some form of moderation…
ChrispenEvan said:
does this forum need it?
Yeah could use a rinse
Some chlorine would help…
when i email cb88 i’ll put myself up for moderator here if required.
I could use a change of tag as well
ChrispenEvan said:
when i email cb88 i’ll put myself up for moderator here if required.
Lol
oh yea of little faith.
:-)
ChrispenEvan said:
when i email cb88 i’ll put myself up for moderator here if required.
you better not annoy me
ChrispenEvan said:
does this forum need it?
There are a few people that would like to rejoin (from the old sssf) who’ve lost their logins or something. I am also aware of a few women who won’t post here anymore because of the attitudes of certain males.
Attracting new people may require a clean-up of some peoples’ behaviours.
New people may feel overwhelmed by the cliquey nature of the place.
*shrugs* just my thoughts on the idea……
the points you raised are ones that crossed my mind.
ChrispenEvan said:
the points you raised are ones that crossed my mind.
Glad that you say that.
I finally remembered my log in…..the doors were unlocked…..
Bit quiet in here.
YAY! The spell must have worked!
party_pants said:
I think so, otherwise it will just slowly die.
The site is slowly dying – it has been for a long time now.
The fact is this is just a small tucked away part of the internet where two dozen people hang out because it’s where they feel comfortable and safe.
Hooray for the spell. Can you do one for the Abbott government? Turn them into toads?
Oh, wait….
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:
I think so, otherwise it will just slowly die.
The site is slowly dying – it has been for a long time now.
The fact is this is just a small tucked away part of the internet where two dozen people hang out because it’s where they feel comfortable and safe.
Comfortable and safe?
hahahahahahahaha….right :/
kii said:
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:
I think so, otherwise it will just slowly die.
The site is slowly dying – it has been for a long time now.
The fact is this is just a small tucked away part of the internet where two dozen people hang out because it’s where they feel comfortable and safe.
Comfortable and safe?
hahahahahahahaha….right :/
I’m not sure I understand what you mean… are people here because it makes them feel uncomfortable and unsafe?
kii said:
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:
I think so, otherwise it will just slowly die.
The site is slowly dying – it has been for a long time now.
The fact is this is just a small tucked away part of the internet where two dozen people hang out because it’s where they feel comfortable and safe.
Comfortable and safe?
hahahahahahahaha….right :/
Well I’m comfortable and safe here.
But, it does get slow and boring if there’s nothing to talk about. Even worse when it’s the same old topic and the same posters wade in and start posting stuff we’ve all heard before. Some new voices would be good IMHO.
kii said:
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:
I think so, otherwise it will just slowly die.
The site is slowly dying – it has been for a long time now.
The fact is this is just a small tucked away part of the internet where two dozen people hang out because it’s where they feel comfortable and safe.
Comfortable and safe?
hahahahahahahaha….right :/
Well I’m comfortable and safe here.
But, it does get slow and boring if there’s nothing to talk about. Even worse when it’s the same old topic and the same posters wade in and start posting stuff we’ve all heard before. Some new voices would be good IMHO.
diddly-squat said:
kii said:Comfortable and safe?
hahahahahahahaha….right :/
I’m not sure I understand what you mean… are people here because it makes them feel uncomfortable and unsafe?
There are times when I have felt uncomfortable and unsafe. Strange, but true.
party_pants said:
kii said:
diddly-squat said:The site is slowly dying – it has been for a long time now.
The fact is this is just a small tucked away part of the internet where two dozen people hang out because it’s where they feel comfortable and safe.
Comfortable and safe?
hahahahahahahaha….right :/
Well I’m comfortable and safe here.
But, it does get slow and boring if there’s nothing to talk about. Even worse when it’s the same old topic and the same posters wade in and start posting stuff we’ve all heard before. Some new voices would be good IMHO.
This is a chat site, and worse even, a chat site for a bunch of people that have been talking among themselves for, in some cases, more than a decade. Why would anyone new join?
kii said:
diddly-squat said:
kii said:Comfortable and safe?
hahahahahahahaha….right :/
I’m not sure I understand what you mean… are people here because it makes them feel uncomfortable and unsafe?
There are times when I have felt uncomfortable and unsafe. Strange, but true.
Well you, like everyone else, are able to vote with your feet if you so wish. But, there are reasons we all decide to pop in here and my guess is because we as individuals know the people here and the people here know us as individuals which for the most part makes people feel comfortable and safe (or at the very least, not lonely).
I hope cb88 opens it up to new people. But it won’t be the same as it was.
Those were the days, my friend.
ruby said:
I hope cb88 opens it up to new people. But it won’t be the same as it was.Those were the days, my friend.
——
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3KEhWTnWvE
So, what do people consider is missing from this forum? It’s all very well talking about new contributors, but what would people want them to actually contribute? Presumably not just “more of the same”.
I suspect we have more lurkers than posters.
This forum, like sssf is a great soap opera, better than anything you would see on tv.
Plus you always learn something if you are interested enough…
Bubblecar said:
So, what do people consider is missing from this forum? It’s all very well talking about new contributors, but what would people want them to actually contribute? Presumably not just “more of the same”.
Why not more of the same? They can contribute the same as everyone else does, input from individual life experiences, jobs and personal circumstances.
I think we need new contributors.
I suspect Chrispen Evan is in a position to provide some new people.
I also think individual contributors here should be able to recommend new contributors, and be responsible for their contributions for a probationary period.
AwesomeO said:
Why not more of the same? They can contribute the same as everyone else does, input from individual life experiences, jobs and personal circumstances.
Some seem to be suggesting that what gets posted here is not sufficiently worthy. I’m just wondering what they’d prefer to see.
I think there is plenty of post-worthiness. However, our small group seems to be getting smaller and smaller. Vibrancy is waning.
and i need new people who haven’t heard my jokes.
Well, there is that, too.
Michael V said:
I think there is plenty of post-worthiness. However, our small group seems to be getting smaller and smaller. Vibrancy is waning.
it’s inevitable Car… although I do suspect that it will be a technology compatibility issue that will eventually kill this place (like happened to the sssf)
Bubblecar said:
So, what do people consider is missing from this forum? It’s all very well talking about new contributors, but what would people want them to actually contribute? Presumably not just “more of the same”.
why do we need new blood when you ve got me.
wookiemeister said:
Well. Um. Um. Ummm. I have nothing.
Bubblecar said:
So, what do people consider is missing from this forum? It’s all very well talking about new contributors, but what would people want them to actually contribute? Presumably not just “more of the same”.
well I can only assume that people would quite naturally want a lot more of me on this forum , fresh ideas , dare I say it brilliant ideas that I formulate that you lot are fortunate to seewhy do we need new blood when you ve got me.
diddly-squat said:
Michael V said:
I think there is plenty of post-worthiness. However, our small group seems to be getting smaller and smaller. Vibrancy is waning.
it’s inevitable Car… although I do suspect that it will be a technology compatibility issue that will eventually kill this place (like happened to the sssf)
We all die in the end.
Without new people, this place must die; as long as the gates are locked, we can’t get new people, so we need to check first with cb88 that he wants to keep the site running for some period, and then ask him to unlcok the front gates. Some people have left recently, but over the past 18 months the total site traffic hasn’t changed much. Here are some brief statistics for the last 18 months:
Jan. 2014: 17209 posts by 83 users
Feb. 2014: 15739 posts by 76 users
Mar. 2014: 15453 posts by 88 users
Apr. 2014: 13012 posts by 81 users
May. 2014: 15108 posts by 79 users
Jun. 2014: 12270 posts by 74 users
Jul. 2014: 16036 posts by 70 users
Aug. 2014: 16579 posts by 71 users
Sep. 2014: 15713 posts by 74 users
Oct. 2014: 17366 posts by 75 users
Nov. 2014: 16247 posts by 77 users
Dec. 2014: 16832 posts by 73 users
Jan. 2015: 15439 posts by 77 users
Feb. 2015: 15582 posts by 75 users
Mar. 2015: 15308 posts by 76 users
Apr. 2015: 14343 posts by 70 users
May. 2015: 15087 posts by 74 users
Jun. 2015: 11821 posts by 70 users
These are all the months I’ve collected statistics for; the number of users includes people like Boris who have more than one login, but has dropped by 15% over that time.
So June is a quiet month anyway.
this has been mentioned , I think the plan is to quietly allow the forum to die, it’s probably costing X amount of dollars to maintain it.
it will over at some point in the next few years as less and less people post as they drift away and no new members come on board
it’s inevitable in afraid – enjoy it while it lasts
wookiemeister said:
this has been mentioned before, I think the plan is to quietly allow the forum to die, it’s probably costing X amount of dollars to maintain it.it will fall over at some point in the next few years as less and less people post as they drift away and no new members come on board
it’s inevitable in afraid – enjoy it while it lasts
dv said:
I could use a change of tag as well
The end of days
New blood brings with trolls and rumours of trolls .. Which is ok, but with no active moderation could sink the place pretty damn quick.
Catch 22. But yeh
I suppose those who do that SSSF facebook thing could remind others who used to have logins here that this still exists. I gather the old logins still work, as evidenced by the fact that every now and then old names appear.
Actually, 70 present users is larger than I would have thought. And quite a good number in terms of what a human being manages for a network. A village worth.
buffy said:
Actually, 70 present users is larger than I would have thought. And quite a good number in terms of what a human being manages for a network. A village worth.
We even have our own village idiot.
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:Actually, 70 present users is larger than I would have thought. And quite a good number in terms of what a human being manages for a network. A village worth.
We even have our own village idiot.
And threads haunted by Hitchcock…….
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:Actually, 70 present users is larger than I would have thought. And quite a good number in terms of what a human being manages for a network. A village worth.
We even have our own village idiot.
We have a few…..
it would be nice to have new people to drown out some of the boring. When there are a few different conversations going, it’s easy to pick the one you are interested in and participate. And easier to ignore conversations, for the choice . Some new blood, but with moderation would be good.
Arts said:
it would be nice to have new people to drown out some of the boring. When there are a few different conversations going, it’s easy to pick the one you are interested in and participate. And easier to ignore conversations, for the choice . Some new blood, but with moderation would be good.
I disagree with the moderation.
sibeen said:
Arts said:
it would be nice to have new people to drown out some of the boring. When there are a few different conversations going, it’s easy to pick the one you are interested in and participate. And easier to ignore conversations, for the choice . Some new blood, but with moderation would be good.
I disagree with the moderation.
Good to see Ruby back. :) Good to see that Wocky is keeping an eye on things.
I blame facebook. Nobody seems to be inhabiting forums much anymore. They seem to get whatever they need from facebook.
roughbarked said:
Good to see Ruby back. :) Good to see that Wocky is keeping an eye on things.I blame facebook. Nobody seems to be inhabiting forums much anymore. They seem to get whatever they need from facebook.
It is what it is, leave it be.
Michael V said:
I also think individual contributors here should be able to recommend new contributors, and be responsible for their contributions for a probationary period.
What? Are we babies that need a mummy and a daddy to hold their hands? Oh, wait…some people are in that category.
sibeen said:
Arts said:
it would be nice to have new people to drown out some of the boring. When there are a few different conversations going, it’s easy to pick the one you are interested in and participate. And easier to ignore conversations, for the choice . Some new blood, but with moderation would be good.
I disagree with the moderation.
you would so be smited
I think we do quite a good job of ignoring here, actually.
buffy said:
I think we do quite a good job of ignoring here, actually.
If ignoring is good, then yes. ;)
roughbarked said:
buffy said:I think we do quite a good job of ignoring here, actually.
If ignoring is good, then yes. ;)
Not always. Sometimes you have to call people out on their behaviour. We are not a nation of ostriches.
kii said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:I think we do quite a good job of ignoring here, actually.
If ignoring is good, then yes. ;)
Not always. Sometimes you have to call people out on their behaviour. We are not a nation of ostriches.
kii said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:I think we do quite a good job of ignoring here, actually.
If ignoring is good, then yes. ;)
Not always. Sometimes you have to call people out on their behaviour. We are not a nation of ostriches.
OK, I’ll change that to targetted ignoring then.
:)
buffy said:
kii said:
roughbarked said:If ignoring is good, then yes. ;)
Not always. Sometimes you have to call people out on their behaviour. We are not a nation of ostriches.
OK, I’ll change that to targetted ignoring then.
:)
Yep, that really works.
kii said:
Except that targeted only needs one t.
buffy said:
kii said:Not always. Sometimes you have to call people out on their behaviour. We are not a nation of ostriches.
OK, I’ll change that to targetted ignoring then.
:)
Yep, that really works.
buffy said:
kii said:
roughbarked said:If ignoring is good, then yes. ;)
Not always. Sometimes you have to call people out on their behaviour. We are not a nation of ostriches.
OK, I’ll change that to targetted ignoring then.
:)
Disagreed! Those statements are just wrong!
Wrong!
Wrong!
Speedy said:
buffy said:
kii said:Not always. Sometimes you have to call people out on their behaviour. We are not a nation of ostriches.
OK, I’ll change that to targetted ignoring then.
:)
Disagreed! Those statements are just wrong!
Wrong!
Wrong!
Mine too?
roughbarked said:
Speedy said:
buffy said:OK, I’ll change that to targetted ignoring then.
:)
Disagreed! Those statements are just wrong!
Wrong!
Wrong!
Mine too?
Yes the “;)” I found quite offensive!
;)
Speedy said:
roughbarked said:
Speedy said:Disagreed! Those statements are just wrong!
Wrong!
Wrong!
Mine too?
Yes the “;)” I found quite offensive!
;)
:)
sibeen said:
Arts said:
it would be nice to have new people to drown out some of the boring. When there are a few different conversations going, it’s easy to pick the one you are interested in and participate. And easier to ignore conversations, for the choice . Some new blood, but with moderation would be good.
I disagree with the moderation.
Fuck off.
Anyway, as far as it goes we are lucky that we aren’t Americans. Their forums can be most hateful places where everyone takes umbrage to any newcomer.
Dropbear said:
sibeen said:
Arts said:
it would be nice to have new people to drown out some of the boring. When there are a few different conversations going, it’s easy to pick the one you are interested in and participate. And easier to ignore conversations, for the choice . Some new blood, but with moderation would be good.
I disagree with the moderation.
Fuck off.
zing
That is not the exclusive purview of “Americans”. Welcome to the internet…
furious said:
- Anyway, as far as it goes we are lucky that we aren’t Americans. Their forums can be most hateful places where everyone takes umbrage to any newcomer.
That is not the exclusive purview of “Americans”. Welcome to the internet…
The same thing happens in primary schools.
bob(from black rock) said:
furious said:
- Anyway, as far as it goes we are lucky that we aren’t Americans. Their forums can be most hateful places where everyone takes umbrage to any newcomer.
That is not the exclusive purview of “Americans”. Welcome to the internet…
The same thing happens in primary schools.
Yes but the Americans never seem to forgive.
furious said:
- Anyway, as far as it goes we are lucky that we aren’t Americans. Their forums can be most hateful places where everyone takes umbrage to any newcomer.
That is not the exclusive purview of “Americans”. Welcome to the internet…
>> Anyway, as far as it goes we are lucky that we aren’t Americans, the rest of the world are lucky they aint Hamericans!
We are family..
I got holidayers with me
We are family
Get up everybody and sing.
Dropbear said:
We are family..
I got holidayers with me
We are family
Get up everybody and sing.
sledging
roughbarked said:
bob(from black rock) said:
furious said:
- Anyway, as far as it goes we are lucky that we aren’t Americans. Their forums can be most hateful places where everyone takes umbrage to any newcomer.
That is not the exclusive purview of “Americans”. Welcome to the internet…
The same thing happens in primary schools.
Yes but the Americans never seem to forgive.
It’s because they’re all Christians*.
*I may or may not be joking**.
**Nah, who are we kidding? I’m not joking. So many of them have their hackles up right now and have to mention things like prayer, Sky Pixie el supremo and his son, anoint people with blessings…
Dropbear said:
We are family..
I got holidayers with me
We are family
Get up everybody and sing.
We’re more like a school class that has stayed together ‘cos we keep having to repeat the same year, with little prospect of graduation.
kii said:
roughbarked said:
bob(from black rock) said:The same thing happens in primary schools.
Yes but the Americans never seem to forgive.
It’s because they’re all Christians*.
*I may or may not be joking**.
**Nah, who are we kidding? I’m not joking. So many of them have their hackles up right now and have to mention things like prayer, Sky Pixie el supremo and his son, anoint people with blessings…
Is Sky Pixie the Scientologists Deity?
roughbarked said:
bob(from black rock) said:
furious said:
- Anyway, as far as it goes we are lucky that we aren’t Americans. Their forums can be most hateful places where everyone takes umbrage to any newcomer.
That is not the exclusive purview of “Americans”. Welcome to the internet…
The same thing happens in primary schools.
Yes but the Americans never seem to forgive.
I suppose it’s true that all Americans are unforgiving bastards, but then all Australians are the ignorant spawn of convicts, so who can blame them?
kii said:
roughbarked said:
bob(from black rock) said:The same thing happens in primary schools.
Yes but the Americans never seem to forgive.
It’s because they’re all Christians*.
*I may or may not be joking**.
**Nah, who are we kidding? I’m not joking. So many of them have their hackles up right now and have to mention things like prayer, Sky Pixie el supremo and his son, anoint people with blessings…
Did anyone see that they had to find a Michael Jackson in the sky to celebrate the anniversary?
I’m all for new comers :)
Minnesotans (and Iowans etc) have a reputation for being amongst the world’s most courteous and helpful people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_nice
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
bob(from black rock) said:The same thing happens in primary schools.
Yes but the Americans never seem to forgive.
I suppose it’s true that all Americans are unforgiving bastards, but then all Australians are the ignorant spawn of convicts, so who can blame them?
:)
I’m still here.(for what its worth).
It was dying slowly well before Aunty kicked us out.
There’s a long been a lack of new questions, quality dissenting opinions and dare I say it, the calibre of the trolls is nowhere near up to par. Now it’s just the same conversation.
Long gone are days of one of our own coining a word that will eventually be added to the dictionary. The Velvets have been crushed under the Mutant’s iron heel. The orange has desiccated, crumbled into dust and blown away leaving a dark room with an funny smell in one corner.
Without new blood, it is doomed to become the haunt of a lone Wookie howling in the wilderness……
Sniffle, sniff, sniff, sniffle
:(
Teleost said:
Without new blood, it is doomed to become the haunt of a lone Wookie howling in the wilderness……
same days and nights, that’s very apt for this place. The beginning of the end.
Stop being drama queens, the HF will continue as long as people have a use for it.
New blood joins this earth,
And quickly he’s subdued.
Through constant pained disgrace
The young boy learns their rules.
With time the child draws in.
This whipping boy done wrong.
Deprived of all his thoughts
The young man struggles on and on he’s known
A vow unto his own,
That never from this day
His will they’ll take away.
kii said:
ChrispenEvan said:
does this forum need it?There are a few people that would like to rejoin (from the old sssf) who’ve lost their logins or something. I am also aware of a few women who won’t post here anymore because of the attitudes of certain males.
Attracting new people may require a clean-up of some peoples’ behaviours.
New people may feel overwhelmed by the cliquey nature of the place.
*shrugs* just my thoughts on the idea……
I agree with kii.
If some people from the SSSF FB page join here, I’m outta here. There’s too many sexist comments over there; there’s a few other good reasons I removed myself from the group.
Divine Angel said:
If some people from the SSSF FB page join here, I’m outta here. There’s too many sexist comments over there; there’s a few other good reasons I removed myself from the group.
*nods *
I was talking to a woman who works for Nutrition Australia yesterday. Nutritionist and educator. Found myself thinking it’s a bloody shame we didn’t have someone like her at the old forum.
But then, there was the troll baiters…
Rule 303 said:
:(
Divine Angel said:If some people from the SSSF FB page join here, I’m outta here. There’s too many sexist comments over there; there’s a few other good reasons I removed myself from the group.
*nods *
I was talking to a woman who works for Nutrition Australia yesterday. Nutritionist and educator. Found myself thinking it’s a bloody shame we didn’t have someone like her at the old forum.
But then, there was the troll baiters…
Divine Angel said:
I agree with kii.
If some people from the SSSF FB page join here, I’m outta here. There’s too many sexist comments over there; there’s a few other good reasons I removed myself from the group.
Gee, you’d think people could try growing up a bit after all these years :/ It’s not rocket surgery or anything, is it? Maybe because so many females from the sssf don’t say anything, the few who do are treated as feminazis and any concerns are dismissed as rantings. It pisses me off that so many people, especially women, just giggle and accept the sexist crap.
“Oh, it’s just boys being boys!”
Grrrrr……
i’d like a bit of an update on all the sexist behaviour on the sssf fb page. please.
ChrispenEvan said:
i’d like a bit of an update on all the sexist behaviour on the sssf fb page. please.
Lol wut?
ChrispenEvan said:
i’d like a bit of an update on all the sexist behaviour on the sssf fb page. please.
No idea, left the place because of the children’s behaviour.
ChrispenEvan said:
i’d like a bit of an update on all the sexist behaviour on the sssf fb page. please.
does that place still exist?
ChrispenEvan said:
i’d like a bit of an update on all the sexist behaviour on the sssf fb page. please.
It’s just rife, it’s everywhere you look, misogynists, every man jack of them.
ahhhh. so nothing really then.
ChrispenEvan said:
ahhhh. so nothing really then.
stand down, people, stand down.
yes arts it still exists. get new members each day. some good discussions. but like a lot of fb pages gets lots of “shared” science news. this can be ok but too many overwhelm the place and so these articles aren’t discussed or expanded upon.
ChrispenEvan said:
ahhhh. so nothing really then.
I don’t know. I don’t go there anymore.
Don’t worry, I also left the coven fb page because of leaks and people I don’t trust.
ChrispenEvan said:
yes arts it still exists. get new members each day. some good discussions. but like a lot of fb pages gets lots of “shared” science news. this can be ok but too many overwhelm the place and so these articles aren’t discussed or expanded upon.
hmmm.. who are the admins there now? besides your good self..
droppy, CS, spocky, nuggs, dr karl (who knows why), and squeezebabe.
Interesting.
kii said:
ChrispenEvan said:
i’d like a bit of an update on all the sexist behaviour on the sssf fb page. please.
No idea, left the place because of the children’s behaviour.
Good decision .. If you don’t like it.. Probably better than incessantly whinging about it ..
Although we do seem to have a new poster child Nanny now..
Dropbear said:
kii said:
ChrispenEvan said:
i’d like a bit of an update on all the sexist behaviour on the sssf fb page. please.
No idea, left the place because of the children’s behaviour.
Good decision .. If you don’t like it.. Probably better than incessantly whinging about it ..
Although we do seem to have a new poster child Nanny now..
Oh goody!
Fuck off, droopy.
mwah…
I never joined the facebook group ‘cos it’s too easy to find my phone number from FB and I don’t want you psychos ringing me up :)
pommiejohn said:
I never joined the facebook group ‘cos it’s too easy to find my phone number from FB and I don’t want you psychos ringing me up :)
What’s that? You need 20 pizzas delivered straight away?
pommiejohn said:
I never joined the facebook group ‘cos it’s too easy to find my phone number from FB and I don’t want you psychos ringing me up :)
is your fridge running?…
pommiejohn said:
I never joined the facebook group ‘cos it’s too easy to find my phone number from FB and I don’t want you psychos ringing me up :)
I like to keep my facebook just for me and my people. If I want to hear the random thoughts of strangers.. I come here ;) (or to any other forum on the internets)
pommiejohn said:
I never joined the facebook group ‘cos it’s too easy to find my phone number from FB and I don’t want you psychos ringing me up :)
Never been there ‘cos I don’t Face or Book.
stumpy_seahorse said:
pommiejohn said:
I never joined the facebook group ‘cos it’s too easy to find my phone number from FB and I don’t want you psychos ringing me up :)
is your fridge running?…
I don’t pretend to understand that.