Is “hatred” a mental illness?
I’ve known a handful of people in my life who have a psychological need to hate someone. It doesn’t really matter who that someone is, if that someone is removed then they’ll find someone else to hate. But they can’t live happily without that hatred.
Is there a cure?
Allah.. Or Buddha
the cure comes with death
mollwollfumble said:
Is “hatred” a mental illness?No.
Is there a cure?
Yes. Teach kids better problem solving skills. ‘Hate’ is only the awareness of unresolved questions. Answer these particular questions honestly and you gain wisdom and insight into yourself.
Postpocelipse said:
mollwollfumble said:
Is “hatred” a mental illness?No.
Is there a cure?
Yes. Teach kids better problem solving skills. ‘Hate’ is only the awareness of unresolved questions. Answer these particular questions honestly and you gain wisdom and insight into yourself.
If it could be solved by better education then it wouldn’t be a mental illness.
I think it could be considered a mental illness, at least in some cases.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Postpocelipse said:
mollwollfumble said:
Is “hatred” a mental illness?No.
Is there a cure?
Yes. Teach kids better problem solving skills. ‘Hate’ is only the awareness of unresolved questions. Answer these particular questions honestly and you gain wisdom and insight into yourself.
If it could be solved by better education then it wouldn’t be a mental illness.
I think it could be considered a mental illness, at least in some cases.
If that is the case then it is an illness that has greater prevalence in individuals not considered mentally ill than in those identified as ill.
Postpocelipse said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Postpocelipse said:Yes. Teach kids better problem solving skills. ‘Hate’ is only the awareness of unresolved questions. Answer these particular questions honestly and you gain wisdom and insight into yourself.
If it could be solved by better education then it wouldn’t be a mental illness.
I think it could be considered a mental illness, at least in some cases.
If that is the case then it is an illness that has greater prevalence in individuals not considered mentally ill than in those identified as ill.
I would measure it against education. Those with less education tend to have a predisposition to a greater number and more restricted set of preferences.
>But they can’t live happily without that hatred.
I’d imagine they can’t live happily with it, either. People who are full of hate are not happy people.
Bubblecar said:
>But they can’t live happily without that hatred.I’d imagine they can’t live happily with it, either. People who are full of hate are not happy people.
Their defining characteristic would be discontentment.
people use all sorts of methods to get through powerful emotions Some cut themselves. some hate themselves. Some turn that hate to others. We are emotional creatures, I don’t know why it’s so surprising that sometimes those emotions get out of control.
having said that ‘hate’ is ugly
Haters gunna hate.
Love is a word that is constantly heard,
Hate is a word that is not.
Love, I am told, is more precious than gold,
Love, I have heard, is hot.
But hate is the verb that to me is superb,
And love but a drug on the mart.
Any kiddie in school can love like a fool,
But hating, my dear, is an art.
btm said:
Maybe in Housman’s day but now hate is a much debased & over-used word which has come to mean dislike or even disagreement.
Love is a word that is constantly heard,
Hate is a word that is not.
Love, I am told, is more precious than gold,
Love, I have heard, is hot.But hate is the verb that to me is superb,
— A. E. Housman
And love but a drug on the mart.
Any kiddie in school can love like a fool,
But hating, my dear, is an art.
>having said that ‘hate’ is ugly
Probably functional and even necessary (as a possibility) at some scale/s.
People do a lot of avoiding pissing each other off, much of behaviour (controls) involve inhibitory aspects (right down to the mechanism in minds).
Thankfully I seem to have the incapacity to hate.
Love can change the world
Love can change your life
Do what makes you happy,
do what you know is right
and love with all your might
before it’s too late.
Where did I find all these words..
Moody Blues ~ Every Good Boy Deserves Favour ~ My Song ~ Mike Pinder.
I’m going to sing my song
And sing it all day long
A song that never ends
How can I tell you, all the things inside my head.
The change in these past years
Has made me see our world
In many different ways
How can I tell you, love can change our destiny.
Love can change the world
Love can change your life
Do what makes you happy
Do what you know is right
And love with all your might
Before it’s too late
Where did I find all these words
Something inside of me is burning
There’s life in other worlds
Maybe they’ll come to earth
Helping man to find a way
One day I hope we’ll be in perfect harmony
A planet with one mind
Then I could tell you
All the things inside my head
I’m going to sing my song
And sing it all day long
A song that never ends
How can I tell you, all the things inside my head.
I’m going to sing my song
A song that never ends
sun’s sorta out, some high-level cloud ‘bout
walked dog Larry’n he’s like sayin’ happy as
little ol’ here ought doin’ jobs outside get out
enjoyin’ winter-spring whatever the fuck it is
Listenin’…. #Jon Gomm – Ain’t Nobody (Chaka Khan)
Hate is another word for jealousy, anger is also another emotion that gets confused with hate.
Tamb said:
btm said:Maybe in Housman’s day but now hate is a much debased & over-used word which has come to mean dislike or even disagreement.
Love is a word that is constantly heard,
Hate is a word that is not.
Love, I am told, is more precious than gold,
Love, I have heard, is hot.But hate is the verb that to me is superb,
— A. E. Housman
And love but a drug on the mart.
Any kiddie in school can love like a fool,
But hating, my dear, is an art.
Yeah, I hate it when people do that.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
btm said:
Love is a word that is constantly heard,
Hate is a word that is not.
Love, I am told, is more precious than gold,
Love, I have heard, is hot.But hate is the verb that to me is superb,
And love but a drug on the mart.
Any kiddie in school can love like a fool,
But hating, my dear, is an art.Life is a sexually transmitted disease that is ALWAYS fatal. — A. E. Housman
Maybe in Housman’s day but now hate is a much debased & over-used word which has come to mean dislike or even disagreement.Yeah, I hate it when people do that.
Don’t know what went rong there,
Should have read “Life is a sexually transmitted disease that is ALWAYS fatal!
This is well worth your time, as are the other ones in The Elements series.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02jrhgp
What is love? Baby don’t hurt me .. Don’t hurt me.. No more
What’s love got to do with it.
I believe the children are our future
furious said:
If I had 5c for every time that someone posted in the wrong thread…
Yeah, me too.
sibeen said:
furious said:
If I had 5c for every time that someone posted in the wrong thread…
Yeah, me too.
Don’t you guys know we have a budget crisis?
headsie said:
Hate is another word for jealousy, anger is also another emotion that gets confused with hate.
I agree. Jealousy may not be the root of all evil, but it can certainly lead to anger.
I’ve found that I can’t get angry with anyone that I’m not jealous of. I’m not jealous of anybody.
I don’t hate anybody.
mollwollfumble said:
I don’t hate anybody.
Me neither. “Hate” is a word that I discourage the kids to use. It’s just too strong.
Oh, except if referring to 4DSpecs ;)
I just use the force , that helps me control and contain the hate and the anger but mark my words one day those walls are going to come tumbling down
I don’t hate anything or one but I do get angry.
Animal cruelty is one of the things that makes me angry.
I feel more compassion for animals than I do for humans which might be a bit concerning though.
Just reading an account of the Scott Antarctic expedition and the ponies they used.
One of the first to die was a little pony that could not take the privation and suffering anymore and his legs gave way and they left him but he struggled to his feet and followed after them till he collapsed again, this happened several times before the little pony died, the author described him as a gutless wonder, that made me angry.
Peak Warming Man said:
I don’t hate anything or one but I do get angry.
Animal cruelty is one of the things that makes me angry.
I feel more compassion for animals than I do for humans which might be a bit concerning though.
Just reading an account of the Scott Antarctic expedition and the ponies they used.
One of the first to die was a little pony that could not take the privation and suffering anymore and his legs gave way and they left him but he struggled to his feet and followed after them till he collapsed again, this happened several times before the little pony died, the author described him as a gutless wonder, that made me angry.
did they eat him?
poikilotherm said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I don’t hate anything or one but I do get angry.
Animal cruelty is one of the things that makes me angry.
I feel more compassion for animals than I do for humans which might be a bit concerning though.
Just reading an account of the Scott Antarctic expedition and the ponies they used.
One of the first to die was a little pony that could not take the privation and suffering anymore and his legs gave way and they left him but he struggled to his feet and followed after them till he collapsed again, this happened several times before the little pony died, the author described him as a gutless wonder, that made me angry.
did they eat him?
No, this was before they went for the pole.
They spent some time beforehand doing provision depot trips.
This happened on one of those early trips when men and dogs were all fit.
The ponies suffered right from the start though.
poikilotherm said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I don’t hate anything or one but I do get angry.
Animal cruelty is one of the things that makes me angry.
I feel more compassion for animals than I do for humans which might be a bit concerning though.
Just reading an account of the Scott Antarctic expedition and the ponies they used.
One of the first to die was a little pony that could not take the privation and suffering anymore and his legs gave way and they left him but he struggled to his feet and followed after them till he collapsed again, this happened several times before the little pony died, the author described him as a gutless wonder, that made me angry.
did they eat him?
Then, there was his partiality to not using animals at all, and employing ‘man-hauling’ i.e. having the blokes drag the stuff themselves.
Despite the proven advantages of using dogs for hauling, Scoot would have none of it. Man-hauling was just so much more, well, British.
captain_spalding said:
poikilotherm said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I don’t hate anything or one but I do get angry.
Animal cruelty is one of the things that makes me angry.
I feel more compassion for animals than I do for humans which might be a bit concerning though.
Just reading an account of the Scott Antarctic expedition and the ponies they used.
One of the first to die was a little pony that could not take the privation and suffering anymore and his legs gave way and they left him but he struggled to his feet and followed after them till he collapsed again, this happened several times before the little pony died, the author described him as a gutless wonder, that made me angry.
did they eat him?
In a lot of respects, Scott was an idiot. Ponies – like that was going to work.Then, there was his partiality to not using animals at all, and employing ‘man-hauling’ i.e. having the blokes drag the stuff themselves.
Despite the proven advantages of using dogs for hauling, Scoot would have none of it. Man-hauling was just so much more, well, British.
I am re-reading about his an other expeditions to the Antarctic now. The author claims that history has not been kind to him, but suggests that in the future, the value of his contribution to science will far outweigh what he set out to achieve.
Speedy said:
captain_spalding said:
poikilotherm said:did they eat him?
In a lot of respects, Scott was an idiot. Ponies – like that was going to work.Then, there was his partiality to not using animals at all, and employing ‘man-hauling’ i.e. having the blokes drag the stuff themselves.
Despite the proven advantages of using dogs for hauling, Scoot would have none of it. Man-hauling was just so much more, well, British.
I am re-reading about his an other expeditions to the Antarctic now. The author claims that history has not been kind to him, but suggests that in the future, the value of his contribution to science will far outweigh what he set out to achieve.
Yes, his expedition was primarily a scientific one whereas Amundsen had one goal and nothing else, the pole.
Scott even spent two days, days that probably proved fatal, taking scientific readings on the return journey.
Scotts mission included partys that went east and west, mapping the coast and setting up camps and indulging in scientific research, only one party went for the pole, Scott, while being responsible for overseeing all the work, lead the pole party, he’d been to Antarctica before, he was no mug, he knew the dangers but his luck was out this time.
Peak Warming Man said:
I don’t hate anything or one but I do get angry. Animal cruelty is one of the things that makes me angry.
To misquote “headsie”, the root cause for anger is often jealousy. You wouldn’t happen to have a secret desire to injure a specific animal would you?
how far of hate is loathing?
transition said:
how far of hate is loathing?
Loathing is what i feel about Tony Abbott.
mollwollfumble said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I don’t hate anything or one but I do get angry. Animal cruelty is one of the things that makes me angry.
To misquote “headsie”, the root cause for anger is often jealousy. You wouldn’t happen to have a secret desire to injure a specific animal would you?
? RAbbot ?
I think people occupy a comfortable world of effective pretending, it is in fact mostly this (reality is mostly this), it’s why TV and all are so popular and ‘normal’.
Individuals sublimate and dissemble all the time. Envy and jealousy (that under the threshold of the obvious) exist variously as contempts, and are commonplace. If you’re not jealous then good chance you’re (adequately) avoiding things that cause it. Would an adequate personality turn on themselves with soul-destroying comparisons (now ask of TV etc)…
Beware the mad comparers.
Rock solid as “hatred” might seem/feel, it is still worth considering it as effective pretending. Believing in our own stuff, and advertizing it (the conviction) too.
Speedy said:
mollwollfumble said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I don’t hate anything or one but I do get angry. Animal cruelty is one of the things that makes me angry.
To misquote “headsie”, the root cause for anger is often jealousy. You wouldn’t happen to have a secret desire to injure a specific animal would you?
? RAbbot ?
Animal or vegetable?
CrazyNeutrino said:
Speedy said:
mollwollfumble said:To misquote “headsie”, the root cause for anger is often jealousy. You wouldn’t happen to have a secret desire to injure a specific animal would you?
? RAbbot ?
Animal or vegetable?
Neither, politician?
Bubblecar said:
>But they can’t live happily without that hatred.I’d imagine they can’t live happily with it, either. People who are full of hate are not happy people.
But it does explain the Collingwood Football Club.
bob(from black rock) said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
Speedy said:? RAbbot ?
Animal or vegetable?
Neither, politician?
Pollutician….
headsie said:
Hate is another word for jealousy, anger is also another emotion that gets confused with hate.
I would have thought that hate, anger and jealousy are all separate emotions.
CrazyNeutrino said:
headsie said:
Hate is another word for jealousy, anger is also another emotion that gets confused with hate.
I would have thought that hate, anger and jealousy are all separate emotions.
Yes, hate can be involved in jealousy and anger, but it’s not another word for them.
mollwollfumble said:
Is “hatred” a mental illness?I’ve known a handful of people in my life who have a psychological need to hate someone. It doesn’t really matter who that someone is, if that someone is removed then they’ll find someone else to hate. But they can’t live happily without that hatred.
Is there a cure?
Hatred is an emotion.
I think that emotions are chemically related to the body
No one to my knowledge has researched human emotions related to the bodies chemicals that cause each emotion.
Bubblecar said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
headsie said:
Hate is another word for jealousy, anger is also another emotion that gets confused with hate.
I would have thought that hate, anger and jealousy are all separate emotions.
Yes, hate can be involved in jealousy and anger, but it’s not another word for them.
Yes there is overlapping of emotions, many combinations can lead to emotional instability.
CrazyNeutrino said:
mollwollfumble said:
Is “hatred” a mental illness?I’ve known a handful of people in my life who have a psychological need to hate someone. It doesn’t really matter who that someone is, if that someone is removed then they’ll find someone else to hate. But they can’t live happily without that hatred.
Is there a cure?
Hatred is an emotion.
I think that emotions are chemically related to the body
No one to my knowledge has researched human emotions related to the bodies chemicals that cause each emotion.
And yes the outside world and the persons overall past experience influence emotions
For example I dislike Tony Abbott, he exists in the outside world, when I hear him on the radio, or on the web, and he says something, dumb its easy to get angry at him, the chemicals in my body \ mind are responding to him.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatred
>Hatred is an emotion.
Certainly involves a hostile (possibly composite) focus and projections involving force of emotions, though wouldn’t discount the possibility broader cognitive activity might be involved too.
Even anger often involves cognitive aspects, the summoning of, and it’s worth remembering that there’s an overlap between extreme determination and anger. Not to be discounted.
Is all hatred pathological? Probably not, though for the purposes of pathologizing, well, make up your own mind.
In fact some extremes of hatred (including keenness to see it so) might be seen (an angle worth considering maybe) as a form of, or involving, over-the-top hyper-pathologizing.
I mean such a keenness can be seen as hostility.
A person can sublimate and dissemble their hostilities, give them a civilized appearance, dress them up and pass them off as casual pathologizing, disinterested even.
We’re the clever species, above vulgar emotion.
CrazyNeutrino said:
headsie said:
Hate is another word for jealousy, anger is also another emotion that gets confused with hate.
I would have thought that hate, anger and jealousy are all separate emotions.
They are. However anger and jealousy may lead one into a state where hatred can fester.
CrazyNeutrino said:
mollwollfumble said:
Is “hatred” a mental illness?I’ve known a handful of people in my life who have a psychological need to hate someone. It doesn’t really matter who that someone is, if that someone is removed then they’ll find someone else to hate. But they can’t live happily without that hatred.
Is there a cure?
Hatred is an emotion.
I think that emotions are chemically related to the body
No one to my knowledge has researched human emotions related to the bodies chemicals that cause each emotion.
Some work has been done. I have at least one friend who would be in the clink for harming and possibly killing people if the chemical imbalance hadn’t been identified, verified and treated.
roughbarked said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
mollwollfumble said:
Is “hatred” a mental illness?I’ve known a handful of people in my life who have a psychological need to hate someone. It doesn’t really matter who that someone is, if that someone is removed then they’ll find someone else to hate. But they can’t live happily without that hatred.
Is there a cure?
Hatred is an emotion.
I think that emotions are chemically related to the body
No one to my knowledge has researched human emotions related to the bodies chemicals that cause each emotion.
Some work has been done. I have at least one friend who would be in the clink for harming and possibly killing people if the chemical imbalance hadn’t been identified, verified and treated.
The son of a friend literally got away with murder, because of his schizophrenia. This despite fooling three professionals into thinking he was better, before the event. The police should have twigged when, a week before the event, he attacked to door of the person’s unit with an axe.
Hating someone whose personally messed with your life would be quite common and possibly even normal
mollwollfumble said:
roughbarked said:
CrazyNeutrino said:Hatred is an emotion.
I think that emotions are chemically related to the body
No one to my knowledge has researched human emotions related to the bodies chemicals that cause each emotion.
Some work has been done. I have at least one friend who would be in the clink for harming and possibly killing people if the chemical imbalance hadn’t been identified, verified and treated.
The son of a friend literally got away with murder, because of his schizophrenia. This despite fooling three professionals into thinking he was better, before the event. The police should have twigged when, a week before the event, he attacked to door of the person’s unit with an axe.
I wouldn’t mind betting the cops were fully twigged. My cop mates have discussed many times nutters walking the streets after bring let out by professionals. The police force is the interface between mental illness and hospitals now. But once let out they cannot be re arrested unless they do something, like put an axe through someone’s door.
Cymek said:
Hating someone whose personally messed with your life would be quite common and possibly even normal
Not normal. Hate is too big a word for what you are describing.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
Hating someone whose personally messed with your life would be quite common and possibly even normal
Not normal. Hate is too big a word for what you are describing.
Divorced people probably hate each other by the time they seperate
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
Hating someone whose personally messed with your life would be quite common and possibly even normal
Not normal. Hate is too big a word for what you are describing.
Divorced people probably hate each other by the time they seperate
I don’t see a lot of that. Though yes, people may kill their spouses over their differences, there is no correlation to hatred.
Cymek said:
Divorced people probably hate each other by the time they seperate
I disagree.
I hated to lose the leather lounge set but all good apart from that.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:Divorced people probably hate each other by the time they seperate
I disagree.
The world is full of hatred, its normal, its humanity at its worst, its certainly not healthy
Nutters? How are you defining that, Curve?
kii said:
Nutters? How are you defining that, Curve?
“How do we sleep while our ears are burning”
Starts dancing like Steady Eddie.
Phil_C said:
kii said:
Nutters? How are you defining that, Curve?
My ears are burning… :-)
No, Phil. IMO it’s a disparaging word, a dismissive word.
kii said:
Phil_C said:
kii said:
Nutters? How are you defining that, Curve?
My ears are burning… :-)No, Phil. IMO it’s a disparaging word, a dismissive word.
kii said:
No, Phil. IMO it’s a disparaging word, a dismissive word.
It can be but in context I don’t think Curve meant any malice.
*shrugs *
I believe we should remove those belittling words from the language of mental ill-health.
Anyway……I’ll go back to staring at the corner and listening to the fans.
kii said:
Phil_C said:
kii said:
Nutters? How are you defining that, Curve?
My ears are burning… :-)No, Phil. IMO it’s a disparaging word, a dismissive word.
Some opinions (ie nutters) are rightfully dismissed
kii said:
*shrugs *I believe we should remove those belittling words from the language of mental ill-health.
Anyway……I’ll go back to staring at the corner and listening to the fans.
Certainly we must be careful of how we describe others but I feel it is healthy to be able to make light of one’s own condition. To do otherwise would let it defeat you IMO.
kii said:
*shrugs *I believe we should remove those belittling words from the language of mental ill-health.
Anyway……I’ll go back to staring at the corner and listening to the fans.
It is disheartening hearing such words reportedly from the mouths of policemen.
roughbarked said:
kii said:*shrugs *I believe we should remove those belittling words from the language of mental ill-health.
Anyway……I’ll go back to staring at the corner and listening to the fans.
It is disheartening hearing such words reportedly from the mouths of policemen.
They deal with them everyday when they become aggressive and/or violent, just because you are mentally ill doesn’t mean you are a nice person
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
kii said:*shrugs *I believe we should remove those belittling words from the language of mental ill-health.
Anyway……I’ll go back to staring at the corner and listening to the fans.
It is disheartening hearing such words reportedly from the mouths of policemen.
They deal with them everyday when they become aggressive and/or violent, just because you are mentally ill doesn’t mean you are a nice person
The same comment also applies to policemen.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:It is disheartening hearing such words reportedly from the mouths of policemen.
They deal with them everyday when they become aggressive and/or violent, just because you are mentally ill doesn’t mean you are a nice person
The same comment also applies to policemen.
True, but being mentally ill doesn’t automatically give you an out for anti-social behaviour, society still has to cope with the aftermath when they have an episode.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:They deal with them everyday when they become aggressive and/or violent, just because you are mentally ill doesn’t mean you are a nice person
The same comment also applies to policemen.
True, but being mentally ill doesn’t automatically give you an out for anti-social behaviour, society still has to cope with the aftermath when they have an episode.
Again, also applies.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:They deal with them everyday when they become aggressive and/or violent, just because you are mentally ill doesn’t mean you are a nice person
The same comment also applies to policemen.
True, but being mentally ill doesn’t automatically give you an out for anti-social behaviour, society still has to cope with the aftermath when they have an episode.
Well, how about better health services for people experiencing mental ill-health! Wow, what a concept! Also, how about people change their attitudes and see it as ill-health, like ooo…the ‘flu or measles or a broken leg?
kii said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:The same comment also applies to policemen.
True, but being mentally ill doesn’t automatically give you an out for anti-social behaviour, society still has to cope with the aftermath when they have an episode.
Well, how about better health services for people experiencing mental ill-health! Wow, what a concept! Also, how about people change their attitudes and see it as ill-health, like ooo…the ‘flu or measles or a broken leg?
And how about you! realise they are dangerous and society supports them up to a point and when they become violent they are locked up.
Cymek said:
kii said:
Cymek said:True, but being mentally ill doesn’t automatically give you an out for anti-social behaviour, society still has to cope with the aftermath when they have an episode.
Well, how about better health services for people experiencing mental ill-health! Wow, what a concept! Also, how about people change their attitudes and see it as ill-health, like ooo…the ‘flu or measles or a broken leg?
And how about you! realise they are dangerous and society supports them up to a point and when they become violent they are locked up.
Would you be all touchy feely if some mentally ill person bashed you because they were having an episode
Cymek said:
kii said:
Cymek said:True, but being mentally ill doesn’t automatically give you an out for anti-social behaviour, society still has to cope with the aftermath when they have an episode.
Well, how about better health services for people experiencing mental ill-health! Wow, what a concept! Also, how about people change their attitudes and see it as ill-health, like ooo…the ‘flu or measles or a broken leg?
And how about you! realise they are dangerous and society supports them up to a point and when they become violent they are locked up.
Yes, that does happen…the violence. I’ve experienced it first hand, thanks. I wonder how many of the violent “nutters” would not be violent if they had received better health care and intervention services before they flipped out?
(gee, he’s freaking out a bit there.)
Cymek said:
Cymek said:
kii said:Well, how about better health services for people experiencing mental ill-health! Wow, what a concept! Also, how about people change their attitudes and see it as ill-health, like ooo…the ‘flu or measles or a broken leg?
And how about you! realise they are dangerous and society supports them up to a point and when they become violent they are locked up.
Would you be all touchy feely if some mentally ill person bashed you because they were having an episode
See previous post.
kii said:
Perhaps they will never have a normal life no matter how much help they get, I see all the dickhead mentally ill people through the courts so are less inclined to feel sorry for them, it’s horrible they have lives like that but other people minding their own business who are at the receiving end of an episode need protecting as well. Unfortunately health care has a monetary value attached to it so funding its limited, funding for the mentally ill isn’t glamorous so our government no matter who they are won’t fund it properly.
Cymek said:
kii said:Well, how about better health services for people experiencing mental ill-health! Wow, what a concept! Also, how about people change their attitudes and see it as ill-health, like ooo…the ‘flu or measles or a broken leg?
And how about you! realise they are dangerous and society supports them up to a point and when they become violent they are locked up.
Yes, that does happen…the violence. I’ve experienced it first hand, thanks. I wonder how many of the violent “nutters” would not be violent if they had received better health care and intervention services before they flipped out?
(gee, he’s freaking out a bit there.)
Cymek said:
… all the dickhead mentally ill people…
Riiight…
>Nutters?
Certainly a category, one could argue it involves hostility – hostile generalizations perhaps – and presumably aversions to falling into the field of that characterisation are involved in the imposition of behavioural norms (behaviour controls), which is maybe fine for obvious nutty, but clearly the idea does a lot of work elsewhere on the margins and in the territory of ‘normal’ too.
The imposition of ‘normal’ can be crazy too.
kii said:
Cymek said:… all the dickhead mentally ill people…
Riiight…
You know my job now, its OK for you to complain about customers but not me, you use unflattering terms for customers and thats OK because they aren’t mentally ill.
Cymek said:
kii said:
Cymek said:… all the dickhead mentally ill people…
Riiight…
You know my job now, its OK for you to complain about customers but not me, you use unflattering terms for customers and thats OK because they aren’t mentally ill.
She’s allowed to complain, they’re republicans :)
(shot’s fired! shot’s fired)
So kii do you excuse any and all behaviour if a person belongs to a minority group or has mental problems and its society not them, but if you are a white person you are scum no matter what circumstances lead to your behaviour
I see the really nasty people come through the courts, pedo’s, serious DV offenders, murderers and its not an excuse just because they are mentally ill or part of some minority group, were is self responsiblity. You only get so many chances even if you are part of those groups and then sorry you need consequences and if that means you are locked up so be it
Cymek said:
I see the really nasty people come through the courts, pedo’s, serious DV offenders, murderers and its not an excuse just because they are mentally ill or part of some minority group, were is self responsiblity. You only get so many chances even if you are part of those groups and then sorry you need consequences and if that means you are locked up so be it
The law is an ass. If you hate your job, get a different one.
Cymek said:
I see the really nasty people come through the courts, pedo’s, serious DV offenders, murderers and its not an excuse just because they are mentally ill or part of some minority group, were is self responsiblity. You only get so many chances even if you are part of those groups and then sorry you need consequences and if that means you are locked up so be it
Cymek and Kii face off
>…. If you hate your job, get a different one
possibly a stretch to go to that, but their are many making up the world that do unlike their work, people wearing their hat for their job, doing the job their hat demands.
Dropbear said:
Cymek and Kii face off
That’s making me feel ill.
Bubblecar said:
Dropbear said:
Cymek and Kii face off!http://i.imgur.com/dYStMwK.gif
That’s making me feel ill.
turn it off then.
an unlikely use of the word?
I think we’re all agreed that there needs to be more funding for mental health (and more trained mental health workers), and that some mentally ill people behave very badly.
Bubblecar said:
I think we’re all agreed that there needs to be more funding for mental health (and more trained mental health workers), and that some mentally ill people behave very badly.
There still seems to be disagreement re: definition of, mental health, trained mental health workers and bad behaviiour.
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
I think we’re all agreed that there needs to be more funding for mental health (and more trained mental health workers), and that some mentally ill people behave very badly.
There still seems to be disagreement re: definition of, mental health, trained mental health workers and bad behaviiour.
Probably best to leave that to the experts.
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
I think we’re all agreed that there needs to be more funding for mental health (and more trained mental health workers), and that some mentally ill people behave very badly.
There still seems to be disagreement re: definition of, mental health, trained mental health workers and bad behaviiour.
Probably best to leave that to the experts.
full circle. Those nutters?
Bubblecar said:
I think we’re all agreed that there needs to be more funding for mental health (and more trained mental health workers), and that some mentally ill people behave very badly.
Yes, I am not against funding for mental health quite the opposite but what I am against is the justification that certain groups of people are excused from everything they do because they have a mental illness or belong to a minority group.
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:
I think we’re all agreed that there needs to be more funding for mental health (and more trained mental health workers), and that some mentally ill people behave very badly.
Yes, I am not against funding for mental health quite the opposite but what I am against is the justification that certain groups of people are excused from everything they do because they have a mental illness or belong to a minority group.
They aren’t exused. They are simply put in another box. Maybe it has the label, Too Hard?
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:
I think we’re all agreed that there needs to be more funding for mental health (and more trained mental health workers), and that some mentally ill people behave very badly.
Yes, I am not against funding for mental health quite the opposite but what I am against is the justification that certain groups of people are excused from everything they do because they have a mental illness or belong to a minority group.
They aren’t exused. They are simply put in another box. Maybe it has the label, Too Hard?
Most likely
If you live with a person who has mental problems are you allowed to be fed up with them and run out of empathy or does that make you a bad person.
Mental health in Australia became much more apparent when they stopped institutionalising those that suffer from it and put them back out into the community in supported accomodation which doesn’t really have the resources to cope. I did work experience at Grayland hospital and most of the people released lived in boarding houses surrounded by others suffering the same infliction, no wonder they couldn’t cope. 95% of their Centrelink went on board and food and they had no money to do anything.
Did you hear The Law Report I think it was on ABC RN about a drug regime they brought in in Hawaii called HOPE (yeah I don’t like those acronyms either), Cymek? It treats everyone the same regardless of circumstances.
I’ll see if I can find it.
Here it is, well worth listening to.
Results have been exceptional.
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/the-law-report-hawaiis-hope-initiative/6582824
Peak Warming Man said:
Here it is, well worth listening to.
Results have been exceptional.http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/the-law-report-hawaiis-hope-initiative/6582824
I can’t listen to it at work I’ll wait until I get home
Peak Warming Man said:
Did you hear The Law Report I think it was on ABC RN about a drug regime they brought in in Hawaii called HOPE (yeah I don’t like those acronyms either), Cymek? It treats everyone the same regardless of circumstances.
I’ll see if I can find it.
WA has a number of specialist courts and the key ingredient to them all is self responsibility, participants are expected to change their entire lives around to avoid becoming stuck in the justice system and are given all the help they need to do this. Some misuse the system and others do put in the effort
think what you might it’s game over for society now
in practical terms allowing serious and hardened criminals to continue their activities bevause of the law courts making serious money out of them is a one way journey.
the other fact is that it costs millions of dollars to keep them in gaol because of how our system is set up. you’ll see a raft of adverts from the government demonising speeding and going over the limit because it makes money for the government. you never see any adverts warning people not to attack children , women or the elderly.
mentally ill people attacking people : think back on how many of these attacks ever occur against men that can fight back.
even though they are mentally ill – all of their targets are often upon people that can’t fight back and defend themselves. they always seem to be able to reason that attacking someone weaker than themselves is a better option.
case in point
the character who launched an attack on a chocolate shop
why attack a chocolate shop frequented by essentially everyone by except by larger males of fighting age?
why not walk into a building site and try to do the same thing? or perhaps a tyre replacement centre or in fact in any other place dominated by men that would most likely see you coming in and react quickly and violently?
this person had frequently been through the courts over numerous offences, the Iranian government had already told the Australian government about this person about him being dangerous.
it was probably decided that they would kill him because most likely he would be let out of court again because of his “problems”
wookiemeister said:
think what you might it’s game over for society nowin practical terms allowing serious and hardened criminals to continue their activities bevause of the law courts making serious money out of them is a one way journey.
the other fact is that it costs millions of dollars to keep them in gaol because of how our system is set up. you’ll see a raft of adverts from the government demonising speeding and going over the limit because it makes money for the government. you never see any adverts warning people not to attack children , women or the elderly.
mentally ill people attacking people : think back on how many of these attacks ever occur against men that can fight back.
even though they are mentally ill – all of their targets are often upon people that can’t fight back and defend themselves. they always seem to be able to reason that attacking someone weaker than themselves is a better option.
At what point does giving someone the benefit of the doubt in relation to the violent offending stop and they are locked away. I’ve seen people put on community orders for attacking their wife/girlfriend with boiling water, throwing it on them when they were having a shower and not just once but a few times, c’mon no excuse in the world for that.