It is on shitful days like this in Melbourne that I feel guilty that there are people who have no shelter, is there anything that we can do to help? There is a huge amount of covered space inside the stadia of football grounds that only gets used when there are events on why couldn’t these areas be used? Like wise Parliament House?
Finding where the homeless people are whould be a start.
>There is a huge amount of covered space inside the stadia of football grounds that only gets used when there are events on why couldn’t these areas be used?
I’d imagine a large area like that, if opened as emergency shelter for the homeless, would be in danger of becoming a permanent camp for them.
CrazyNeutrino said:
Finding where the homeless people are whould be a start.
There was one recently found after nine years in a sleeping bag.
CrazyNeutrino said:
Finding where the homeless people are whould be a start.
Yeah, I think they try to be as “invisible” as they can.
Bubblecar said:
>There is a huge amount of covered space inside the stadia of football grounds that only gets used when there are events on why couldn’t these areas be used?I’d imagine a large area like that, if opened as emergency shelter for the homeless, would be in danger of becoming a permanent camp for them.
…might make more sense to just build a permanent camp for them :)
CrazyNeutrino said:
Finding where the homeless people are whould be a start.
usually on the street….
they aren’t hard to find.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
>There is a huge amount of covered space inside the stadia of football grounds that only gets used when there are events on why couldn’t these areas be used?I’d imagine a large area like that, if opened as emergency shelter for the homeless, would be in danger of becoming a permanent camp for them.
…might make more sense to just build a permanent camp for them :)
Good point, but the threat that this space is not being used most of the time, puts pressure on the decision makers to do something.
A permanent camp. Reminders spring up of shanty towns in Apartheid era.
From what I have heard, most homeless people don’t like mixing/living with too many other homeless people, as robbery and violence is more likely.
PermeateFree said:
From what I have heard, most homeless people don’t like mixing/living with too many other homeless people, as robbery and violence is more likely.
Quite a few homeless manage to couch surf.
roughbarked said:
A permanent camp. Reminders spring up of shanty towns in Apartheid era.
And similar camps during the Nazi era?
roughbarked said:
A permanent camp. Reminders spring up of shanty towns in Apartheid era.
I merely meant a reliable place where they could shelter, if they wish, without being moved on.
A few years back I recall them providing homeless people with a living rough kit, which could be carried around or stored in a confined space. Some homeless people are homeless because they prefer to live that way, they only need to be made more comfortable.
Some of the long-term homeless actually prefer that way of life. Hobart has Stinky Wilson (also knows as the Professor, Monkeyman, Wolfman etc) who’s lived on the streets for 20 years or more.
bob(from black rock) said:
roughbarked said:
A permanent camp. Reminders spring up of shanty towns in Apartheid era.And similar camps during the Nazi era?
A Nazi style camp? Looxury!
We used to live in septic tank.
Ian said:
bob(from black rock) said:
roughbarked said:
A permanent camp. Reminders spring up of shanty towns in Apartheid era.And similar camps during the Nazi era?
A Nazi style camp? Looxury!
We used to live in septic tank.
Looxury, we used to dream of a septic tank, we were lucky to have some of the toilet paper from the tank to wrap ourselves in
bob(from black rock) said:
Ian said:
bob(from black rock) said:And similar camps during the Nazi era?
A Nazi style camp? Looxury!
We used to live in septic tank.
Looxury, we used to dream of a septic tank, we were lucky to have some of the toilet paper from the tank to wrap ourselves in
We used to dream of toilet paper.
Peak Warming Man said:
bob(from black rock) said:
Ian said:A Nazi style camp? Looxury!
We used to live in septic tank.
Looxury, we used to dream of a septic tank, we were lucky to have some of the toilet paper from the tank to wrap ourselves in
We used to dream of toilet paper.
“Aye, and you try telling the young people today and they’ll never believe you.
bob(from black rock) said:
Peak Warming Man said:
bob(from black rock) said:Looxury, we used to dream of a septic tank, we were lucky to have some of the toilet paper from the tank to wrap ourselves in
We used to dream of toilet paper.
“Aye, and you try telling the young people today and they’ll never believe you.
My old man said we were only rationed one sheet.
roughbarked said:
bob(from black rock) said:
Peak Warming Man said:We used to dream of toilet paper.
“Aye, and you try telling the young people today and they’ll never believe you.
My old man said we were only rationed one sheet.
So you had to use both sides and the edges of the sheet!
bob(from black rock) said:
roughbarked said:
bob(from black rock) said:“Aye, and you try telling the young people today and they’ll never believe you.
My old man said we were only rationed one sheet.
So you had to use both sides and the edges of the sheet!
I take it you didn’t get one sheet each? you had to share the one sheet?
bob(from black rock) said:
roughbarked said:
bob(from black rock) said:“Aye, and you try telling the young people today and they’ll never believe you.
My old man said we were only rationed one sheet.
So you had to use both sides and the edges of the sheet!
Yep.
roughbarked said:
bob(from black rock) said:
roughbarked said:My old man said we were only rationed one sheet.
So you had to use both sides and the edges of the sheet!
Who was the looky bugger that got to lick the sheet clean after you had all used it?
Yep.
The real problem with using a pre existing building, or any area for that matter, is ‘insurance’.
Plus… Who is responsible if/when something happens? Whose job would it be to move people out and clear up the stuff for the next game or event?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/17/tiny-homes-madison-wiscon_n_6171634.html
the mini-house structures can also be built on box trailers on wheels and be pushed around to locations required from person or family that is homeless and…they can be fitted with off grid power supply solar packs
they don’t require red tape hoops to jump through for typical housing and therefore mass production is possible…..initially mobile secure street safe shelter and then perhaps onsite caravan parks and then leasing to own or borrow as a step up program to larger scale and styles of accommodation
they can be locked up which is extremely important to those on the street at night
http://www.viralnova.com/used-garbage-homeless-shelters/
“ Gregory digs through illegally dumped trash and goes dumpster diving.”
“ he decided to focus his efforts on helping house the homeless population in California.”
Homelessness is not just a result of lack of space
Arts said:
Homelessness is not just a result of lack of space
Yes but as the article monkey linked says:
OM Build is one of several initiatives across the country implementing or considering tiny home communities as an effective way to fight homelessness. In August, Portland, Oregon, moved forward in approving plans to utilize public land in order to construct tiny homes for low-income residents. Similar projects have seen successful in New York and Texas communities, too, Reuters reported in May.
“Before people can get back on their feet and take advantage of job training and drug and alcohol counseling, they need a place to live,” Multnomah County Chairwoman Deborah Kafoury said of Portland’s tiny home plans, according to the Oregonian. “This helps accomplish that.”
Bubblecar said:
Arts said:
Homelessness is not just a result of lack of space
Yes but as the article monkey linked says:
OM Build is one of several initiatives across the country implementing or considering tiny home communities as an effective way to fight homelessness. In August, Portland, Oregon, moved forward in approving plans to utilize public land in order to construct tiny homes for low-income residents. Similar projects have seen successful in New York and Texas communities, too, Reuters reported in May.
“Before people can get back on their feet and take advantage of job training and drug and alcohol counseling, they need a place to live,” Multnomah County Chairwoman Deborah Kafoury said of Portland’s tiny home plans, according to the Oregonian. “This helps accomplish that.”
Excellent.
1 make a list of the homeless
2 buy a large field and put in an encampment based on the roman camp , a square perimeter road and roads leading north South , East west . the camp manager sits in the centre of the camp next to a police station and kitchen. curfew is 10pm, no one goes in and out after 10pm unless you are working , gates open 6am.
each temp house might have one person with a toilet – no cooking is done inside the tent / house, privacy is paramount.
wifi is available through out the camp
house inspection happens once a week
everyone gets randomly tested for drugs
everyone is encouraged to take part time work
3get them seen in the street by a doctor to see if they need psychiatric help / prescription
wookiemeister said:
1 make a list of the homeless2 buy a large field and put in an encampment based on the roman camp , a square perimeter road and roads leading north South , East west . the camp manager sits in the centre of the camp next to a police station and kitchen. curfew is 10pm, no one goes in and out after 10pm unless you are working , gates open 6am.
each temp house might have one person with a toilet – no cooking is done inside the tent / house, privacy is paramount.
wifi is available through out the camp
house inspection happens once a week
everyone gets randomly tested for drugs
everyone is encouraged to take part time work
3get them seen in the street by a doctor to see if they need psychiatric help / prescription
Sounds terrible. May as well put them in jail. It would be about as popular.
CrazyNeutrino said:
Finding where the homeless people are whould be a start.
They dont congregate all together in one spot, but it would be useful if they did.
CrazyNeutrino said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
Finding where the homeless people are whould be a start.
They dont congregate all together in one spot, but it would be useful if they did.
As Wookie would say, ‘Easy, just train dogs to round them up.’
Bubblecar said:
Some of the long-term homeless actually prefer that way of life. Hobart has Stinky Wilson (also knows as the Professor, Monkeyman, Wolfman etc) who’s lived on the streets for 20 years or more.
Homeless in Hobart in winter. If I was homeless I reckon I would head north at least.
AwesomeO said:
Bubblecar said:
Some of the long-term homeless actually prefer that way of life. Hobart has Stinky Wilson (also knows as the Professor, Monkeyman, Wolfman etc) who’s lived on the streets for 20 years or more.
Homeless in Hobart in winter. If I was homeless I reckon I would head north at least.
The nights are consistently warmer in Hobart that they are here in the middle of the island.
AwesomeO said:
Bubblecar said:
Some of the long-term homeless actually prefer that way of life. Hobart has Stinky Wilson (also knows as the Professor, Monkeyman, Wolfman etc) who’s lived on the streets for 20 years or more.
Homeless in Hobart in winter. If I was homeless I reckon I would head north at least.
North Horbart is still cold.
CrazyNeutrino said:
AwesomeO said:
Bubblecar said:
Some of the long-term homeless actually prefer that way of life. Hobart has Stinky Wilson (also knows as the Professor, Monkeyman, Wolfman etc) who’s lived on the streets for 20 years or more.
Homeless in Hobart in winter. If I was homeless I reckon I would head north at least.
North Horbart is still cold.
The homeless could be rounded up and put into the dentenion centers Would that work?
Maybe create a few designs for homeless accomadation based around japanese style sleeping capules in walls
CrazyNeutrino said:
Maybe create a few designs for homeless accomadation based around japanese style sleeping capules in walls
Underground train stations could have a homeless accomadation center
Maybe find the root cause of why each homeless person is homeless, and try and solve that on an individual basis.
My spell checker is broken
CrazyNeutrino said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
Maybe create a few designs for homeless accomadation based around japanese style sleeping capules in walls
Underground train stations could have a homeless accomadation center
Just because you are homeless doesn’t mean you should be placed with another person whom is homeless. There are risks and differing needs for any persons homeless or not.
Cant they just go to the YMCA, it’s terrific
You can get yourself clean, you can have a good meal, you can do whatever you feel.
monkey skipper said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
Maybe create a few designs for homeless accomadation based around japanese style sleeping capules in walls
Underground train stations could have a homeless accomadation center
Just because you are homeless doesn’t mean you should be placed with another person whom is homeless. There are risks and differing needs for any persons homeless or not.
Then find out the different needs and cater for them.
Peak Warming Man said:
Cant they just go to the YMCA, it’s terrific
You can get yourself clean, you can have a good meal, you can do whatever you feel.
I’m not sure they allow the godless, the sceptical, the un-believers; and quite rightly so.
I read there is over a hundred thousand homeless people in Australia.
Strange as it sounds I don’t think you can solve the homeless problems with accomodation. For some they just require access to what already exists ie public housing.
But for the others who for whatever reason reject housing they would need things like lockers to hold stuff but not in a central location and areas which they choose (because they see the world, it’s ammenities and acessess through different filters) might need some intelligent individual customisation. Provision of a toilet to stop them shitting in the park, bins provided and council workers to patrol and clean. Parks to have areas suitable for their needs.
Funding for shower and laundry vehicles and provision of mental services.
i dunno, they let me stay at the one in darwin for a couple of months.
AwesomeO said:
Strange as it sounds I don’t think you can solve the homeless problems with accomodation. For some they just require access to what already exists ie public housing.But for the others who for whatever reason reject housing they would need things like lockers to hold stuff but not in a central location and areas which they choose (because they see the world, it’s ammenities and acessess through different filters) might need some intelligent individual customisation. Provision of a toilet to stop them shitting in the park, bins provided and council workers to patrol and clean. Parks to have areas suitable for their needs.
Funding for shower and laundry vehicles and provision of mental services.
Have shower abd laundry around the sleeping areas
CrazyNeutrino said:
AwesomeO said:
Strange as it sounds I don’t think you can solve the homeless problems with accomodation. For some they just require access to what already exists ie public housing.But for the others who for whatever reason reject housing they would need things like lockers to hold stuff but not in a central location and areas which they choose (because they see the world, it’s ammenities and acessess through different filters) might need some intelligent individual customisation. Provision of a toilet to stop them shitting in the park, bins provided and council workers to patrol and clean. Parks to have areas suitable for their needs.
Funding for shower and laundry vehicles and provision of mental services.
Have shower abd laundry around the sleeping areas
You could make a vandal proof shower, don’t think you could do the same for a laundry facility. Just fund the van.
CrazyNeutrino said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
AwesomeO said:Homeless in Hobart in winter. If I was homeless I reckon I would head north at least.
North Horbart is still cold.
The homeless could be rounded up and put into the dentenion centers Would that work?
It has been tried before.
monkey skipper said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
Maybe create a few designs for homeless accomadation based around japanese style sleeping capules in walls
Underground train stations could have a homeless accomadation center
Just because you are homeless doesn’t mean you should be placed with another person whom is homeless. There are risks and differing needs for any persons homeless or not.
It is a good point. The same should work for anyone, no matter the circumstances.
Peak Warming Man said:
Cant they just go to the YMCA, it’s terrific
You can get yourself clean, you can have a good meal, you can do whoever you feel.
fixed
AwesomeO said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
AwesomeO said:
Strange as it sounds I don’t think you can solve the homeless problems with accomodation. For some they just require access to what already exists ie public housing.But for the others who for whatever reason reject housing they would need things like lockers to hold stuff but not in a central location and areas which they choose (because they see the world, it’s ammenities and acessess through different filters) might need some intelligent individual customisation. Provision of a toilet to stop them shitting in the park, bins provided and council workers to patrol and clean. Parks to have areas suitable for their needs.
Funding for shower and laundry vehicles and provision of mental services.
Have shower abd laundry around the sleeping areas
You could make a vandal proof shower, don’t think you could do the same for a laundry facility. Just fund the van.
Give them tokens for the shower and the laundry and they’d respect it.
There is already a solution where you centralise homeless people, they are generally called shanty towns.
AwesomeO said:
There is already a solution where you centralise homeless people, they are generally called shanty towns.
Mentioned earlier in the thread.
cheaper to house the homeless. take your pick
roughbarked said:
AwesomeO said:
CrazyNeutrino said:Have shower abd laundry around the sleeping areas
You could make a vandal proof shower, don’t think you could do the same for a laundry facility. Just fund the van.
Give them tokens for the shower and the laundry and they’d respect it.
Tokens for what shower? Juat build a concrete vandal proof shower, you see them all the time at beaches. Why complicate things. As for laundry why give them a token? Why not just give them whatever a laundromat costs, better yet, to make it more convenient that could be rolled into a fortnightly payment, you could call it a job search allowance or disability pension.
AwesomeO said:
roughbarked said:
AwesomeO said:You could make a vandal proof shower, don’t think you could do the same for a laundry facility. Just fund the van.
Give them tokens for the shower and the laundry and they’d respect it.
Tokens for what shower? Juat build a concrete vandal proof shower, you see them all the time at beaches. Why complicate things. As for laundry why give them a token? Why not just give them whatever a laundromat costs, better yet, to make it more convenient that could be rolled into a fortnightly payment, you could call it a job search allowance or disability pension.
Not necessary. They are part of the community. There are community showers in many places no reason why caravan parks cannot take their coupons.
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
cheaper to house the homeless. take your pick
Yeah. Was going to bring that up.
You were going to bring up that you could Google it?
roughbarked said:
AwesomeO said:
roughbarked said:Give them tokens for the shower and the laundry and they’d respect it.
Tokens for what shower? Juat build a concrete vandal proof shower, you see them all the time at beaches. Why complicate things. As for laundry why give them a token? Why not just give them whatever a laundromat costs, better yet, to make it more convenient that could be rolled into a fortnightly payment, you could call it a job search allowance or disability pension.
Not necessary. They are part of the community. There are community showers in many places no reason why caravan parks cannot take their coupons.
I can think of a few, if they are part of the community why are you giving them tokens for showers, why not just expect them to pay for one? If they prefer not to a token won’t change that, if they prefer to drink their money a token won’t change that, they will sell the token.
Just build a shower for those that want one. You can’t force people to have showers and giving them a shower token won’t help let alone adding a layer of bullshit.
AwesomeO said:
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
cheaper to house the homeless. take your pick
Yeah. Was going to bring that up.
You were going to bring up that you could Google it?
roughbarked said:
AwesomeO said:
roughbarked said:Yeah. Was going to bring that up.
You were going to bring up that you could Google it?
No. There was a thread on another forum where this was discussed and where I participated but after searching for hours, I can only conclude that the forum moderators deleted the thread. Possibly because there was too much emphasis upon “why should we allow dead beats to have better apartments than people who have jobs?” It is an American forum.
Yes. Did you look at the link? It was a Google search.
AwesomeO said:
roughbarked said:
AwesomeO said:Tokens for what shower? Juat build a concrete vandal proof shower, you see them all the time at beaches. Why complicate things. As for laundry why give them a token? Why not just give them whatever a laundromat costs, better yet, to make it more convenient that could be rolled into a fortnightly payment, you could call it a job search allowance or disability pension.
Not necessary. They are part of the community. There are community showers in many places no reason why caravan parks cannot take their coupons.
I can think of a few, if they are part of the community why are you giving them tokens for showers, why not just expect them to pay for one? If they prefer not to a token won’t change that, if they prefer to drink their money a token won’t change that, they will sell the token.
Just build a shower for those that want one. You can’t force people to have showers and giving them a shower token won’t help let alone adding a layer of bullshit.
So what are you trying to say? Is it that you would prefer not to shower with people down on their luck who need the community to allow them to shower and wasj clothes as a part of their new start benefit? er, if you happen to be using a caravan park that day?
AwesomeO said:
roughbarked said:
AwesomeO said:You were going to bring up that you could Google it?
No. There was a thread on another forum where this was discussed and where I participated but after searching for hours, I can only conclude that the forum moderators deleted the thread. Possibly because there was too much emphasis upon “why should we allow dead beats to have better apartments than people who have jobs?” It is an American forum.Yes. Did you look at the link? It was a Google search.
Do I need google?
not really. The link wasn’t mine. I don’t need google so that they know what I know to search.I searched for my posts on a certain forum where I knew the subject had been discussed.
roughbarked said:
AwesomeO said:
roughbarked said:Not necessary. They are part of the community. There are community showers in many places no reason why caravan parks cannot take their coupons.
I can think of a few, if they are part of the community why are you giving them tokens for showers, why not just expect them to pay for one? If they prefer not to a token won’t change that, if they prefer to drink their money a token won’t change that, they will sell the token.
Just build a shower for those that want one. You can’t force people to have showers and giving them a shower token won’t help let alone adding a layer of bullshit.
So what are you trying to say? Is it that you would prefer not to shower with people down on their luck who need the community to allow them to shower and wasj clothes as a part of their new start benefit? er, if you happen to be using a caravan park that day?
Me, yeah I prefer not to shower with people down on their luck. But I am not talking about my personal showering preferences. I was offering ideas for showers for the homeless, and concrete vandal proof showers of the sort you can find at beaches that are free to anyone would be a benefit for those that want a shower.
You are crapping on about giving them tokens. You going to mail it to them? How many per month you recommend? Let alone layers of crap managing shower tokens for the homeless.
Build a shower block. Simples.
roughbarked said:
AwesomeO said:
roughbarked said:No. There was a thread on another forum where this was discussed and where I participated but after searching for hours, I can only conclude that the forum moderators deleted the thread. Possibly because there was too much emphasis upon “why should we allow dead beats to have better apartments than people who have jobs?” It is an American forum.
Yes. Did you look at the link? It was a Google search.
Do I need google?
not really. The link wasn’t mine. I don’t need google so that they know what I know to search.I searched for my posts on a certain forum where I knew the subject had been discussed.
I didn’t say it was your link. Someone posted a link that led to a Google search. You said. Yeah, you were going to bring that up.
If you didnt mean you were going to bring up that you could do a Google search that is fine, but don’t expect others to mind read what you mean or not.
AwesomeO said:
roughbarked said:
AwesomeO said:I can think of a few, if they are part of the community why are you giving them tokens for showers, why not just expect them to pay for one? If they prefer not to a token won’t change that, if they prefer to drink their money a token won’t change that, they will sell the token.
Just build a shower for those that want one. You can’t force people to have showers and giving them a shower token won’t help let alone adding a layer of bullshit.
So what are you trying to say? Is it that you would prefer not to shower with people down on their luck who need the community to allow them to shower and wasj clothes as a part of their new start benefit? er, if you happen to be using a caravan park that day?
Me, yeah I prefer not to shower with people down on their luck. But I am not talking about my personal showering preferences. I was offering ideas for showers for the homeless, and concrete vandal proof showers of the sort you can find at beaches that are free to anyone would be a benefit for those that want a shower.
You are crapping on about giving them tokens. You going to mail it to them? How many per month you recommend? Let alone layers of crap managing shower tokens for the homeless.
Build a shower block. Simples.
Shower blocks are already there. The respect isn’t.
roughbarked said:
AwesomeO said:
roughbarked said:So what are you trying to say? Is it that you would prefer not to shower with people down on their luck who need the community to allow them to shower and wasj clothes as a part of their new start benefit? er, if you happen to be using a caravan park that day?
Me, yeah I prefer not to shower with people down on their luck. But I am not talking about my personal showering preferences. I was offering ideas for showers for the homeless, and concrete vandal proof showers of the sort you can find at beaches that are free to anyone would be a benefit for those that want a shower.
You are crapping on about giving them tokens. You going to mail it to them? How many per month you recommend? Let alone layers of crap managing shower tokens for the homeless.
Build a shower block. Simples.
Shower blocks are already there. The respect isn’t.
Already where?
AwesomeO said:
roughbarked said:
AwesomeO said:Yes. Did you look at the link? It was a Google search.
Do I need google?
not really. The link wasn’t mine. I don’t need google so that they know what I know to search.I searched for my posts on a certain forum where I knew the subject had been discussed.
I didn’t say it was your link. Someone posted a link that led to a Google search. You said. Yeah, you were going to bring that up.
If you didnt mean you were going to bring up that you could do a Google search that is fine, but don’t expect others to mind read what you mean or not.
I clearly never read your mind. If I did, I’d find ways to circumvent what you are going to post.
AwesomeO said:
roughbarked said:
AwesomeO said:Me, yeah I prefer not to shower with people down on their luck. But I am not talking about my personal showering preferences. I was offering ideas for showers for the homeless, and concrete vandal proof showers of the sort you can find at beaches that are free to anyone would be a benefit for those that want a shower.
You are crapping on about giving them tokens. You going to mail it to them? How many per month you recommend? Let alone layers of crap managing shower tokens for the homeless.
Build a shower block. Simples.
Shower blocks are already there. The respect isn’t.
Already where?
Every town has them. In some they are free. In others they belong to caravan parks but mostly there is a shire council operated set up. It is a simple matter to swipe a card say, your health card to recieve the coupon that resembles a gold coin.
roughbarked said:
AwesomeO said:
roughbarked said:Shower blocks are already there. The respect isn’t.
Already where?
Every town has them. In some they are free. In others they belong to caravan parks but mostly there is a shire council operated set up. It is a simple matter to swipe a card say, your health card to recieve the coupon that resembles a gold coin.
Well I doubt that there are free shower facilities where homeless people congregate, but, if as you say, there are free shower facilities, why are you frigging about giving them tokens?
Or you could just agree wth my simple earlier proposition that vandal proof shower facilities be provided where the homeless are. My idea was not rocket science and no tokens required.
you could have a smell activated door.
to the showers that is.
AwesomeO said:
The homeless are everywhere. Free facilities also used to be. However privatisation has made some places unfriendly to homeless who only want a wash. Sure, it is true that if desperate, one can still beg a bed and a shower at the local clink.
roughbarked said:
AwesomeO said:Already where?
Every town has them. In some they are free. In others they belong to caravan parks but mostly there is a shire council operated set up. It is a simple matter to swipe a card say, your health card to recieve the coupon that resembles a gold coin.
Well I doubt that there are free shower facilities where homeless people congregate, but, if as you say, there are free shower facilities, why are you frigging about giving them tokens?
Or you could just agree wth my simple earlier proposition that vandal proof shower facilities be provided where the homeless are. My idea was not rocket science and no tokens required.
However, this was never the better of solutions.
ChrispenEvan said:
you could have a smell activated door.
:) that’s why peopleneed a wash?
George Carlin thought building homes on golf courses was the way to go
transition said:
George Carlin thought building homes on golf courses was the way to go
He was a comedian, and it showed.
transition said:
George Carlin thought building homes on golf courses was the way to go!http://www.bing.com/th?id=A21dc38f87cd8a6e489ddb8b5060b5908&w=110&h=110&c=7&rs=1&qlt=80&pcl=f9f9f9&cdv=1&pid=16.2
He isn’t an idiot.
sibeen said:
transition said:
George Carlin thought building homes on golf courses was the way to go
He was a comedian, and it showed.
That is correct.
>He was a comedian, and it showed.
I thought he were a social commentator
transition said:
>He was a comedian, and it showed.I thought he were a social commentator
and are not all bards, poets songwriters comedians and spinwriters that?
roughbarked said:
transition said:
>He was a comedian, and it showed.I thought he were a social commentator
and are not all bards, poets songwriters comedians and spinwriters that?
If you cannot laugh, all that is left is the harbouring of desire to destroy.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
transition said:
>He was a comedian, and it showed.I thought he were a social commentator
and are not all bards, poets songwriters comedians and spinwriters that?
If you cannot laugh, all that is left is the harbouring of desire to destroy.
However, if we are ever going to get anywhere with our evolution before we expire, we do really need to discuss the good parts.
you have to house them first
an encampment built for low cost is the way to go, the Romans had no problem living this way
it has to be organised and controlled with a rod of iron when it comes to making sure the place remains clean and tidy inside and out.
these people need order in their lives apart from being expected to keep their personal living space clean and tidy , not to throw rubbish around and try to find some part time work , very little would be expected of them.
I don’t like the concrete shower block idea , communal showers in this situation could be problematic
the plumbing of the camp could be laid out without digging if it were set up properly
digging takes time , the plumbing passing by the temp housing shouldn’t be accessible to foot traffic only those working upon it.
camp roads could simply be some crushed rock , good enough because it will mostly be foot traffic. they should be good enough for a few light trucks to pass over a few times a day delivering goods to the camp central area.
drainage would be important for when it rains
it would be important to make sure camp management gets changed out as a matter of course as you could have people going power crazy ( as in real life) . regular plebiscites and surveys on the camp management would be taken ( on line and anonymously )
wookiemeister said:
you have to house them firstan encampment built for low cost is the way to go, the Romans had no problem living this way
it has to be organised and controlled with a rod of iron when it comes to making sure the place remains clean and tidy inside and out.
these people need order in their lives apart from being expected to keep their personal living space clean and tidy , not to throw rubbish around and try to find some part time work , very little would be expected of them.
I don’t like the concrete shower block idea , communal showers in this situation could be problematic
and then in 100 years time Kevin rudd jr can say sorry to them…
wookiemeister said:
I don’t like the concrete shower block idea , communal showers in this situation could be problematic
Well firstly they don’t have to be communal. Secondly these showers already exist in many areas are used and as far as I know are not problematic. I suggested that they be installed in other areas where the homeless congregate.
stumpy_seahorse said:
wookiemeister said:
you have to house them firstan encampment built for low cost is the way to go, the Romans had no problem living this way
it has to be organised and controlled with a rod of iron when it comes to making sure the place remains clean and tidy inside and out.
these people need order in their lives apart from being expected to keep their personal living space clean and tidy , not to throw rubbish around and try to find some part time work , very little would be expected of them.
I don’t like the concrete shower block idea , communal showers in this situation could be problematic
and then in 100 years time Kevin rudd jr can say sorry to them…
any way its a problem that will never be solved
you’ve got something like 300,000 new arrivals into the country every year , the problem wont be solved because if those people thought the government was going to house them and feed them none of them would ever get a job or a house loan (they need these people to keep taking loans – in the mean time vast swathes of the landscape get swallowed up building the slave estates of northern Melbourne with big houses put up quickly with no back yards)
the refugees are ok though, they get a few thousand a week in gov support with their ten kids so life is good, this is how Britain went . in the end its only the working class with little support that pay all the taxes.
Australia is turning into a feudal society so homelessness can be added to the list of problems getting worse
one way to feed the economy with some short term benefit would be for new immigrants to have arranged a home loan before they arrive.
when they finally arrive the house they have taken the loan on has been built and they move into it
you could build massive housing estates to the north of Melbourne to house this massive labour force, by doing this you enslave them once and for all
the great thing is that if the peasants ever look as if they are getting out of hand you can just adjust the interest rates upwards and wipe them out!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3158287/Man-stabbed-death-Melbourne-half-way-house-police-previously-visited.html
this is why you need to have some organisation in a camp like this and personal space