http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3156594/Is-mini-ICE-AGE-way-Scientists-warn-sun-sleep-2020-cause-temperatures-plummet.html
Better start burning that coal boys and girls.
I think these scientists are just scare mongering to try and get more funding for their pet project.
This is just another example of the woeful state of science reporting in the popular press, and the use of attention-grabbing headline to get readers. A group of scientists claim to have created a new model to predict the sunspot cycle – though the article gives no references and no evidence for the claim – and say that, if their model is right the expected sunspot low around 2020 will be particularly quiet (they used the expression “The sun will go to sleep.”) This does not mean that the energy output from the sun will change, or that we’re headed for a “mini ice age”. It simply means that, if the model is reasonably accurate, there’ll be fewer sunspots. The recent sunspot minimum (just a few years ago) had an unusually low minimum; not that we didn’t have a “mini ice age” during that event.
The only people who’ll interpret this to mean there’ll be a mini ice-age are the scientifically illiterate and those with a climate-change-denialist barrow to push.
btm said:
The only people who’ll interpret this to mean there’ll be a mini ice-age are the scientifically illiterate and those with a climate-change-denialist barrow to push.
from the Royal Astronomical Society http://www.ras.org.uk/news-and-press/2680-irregular-heartbeat-of-the-sun-driven-by-double-dynamo
“A new model of the Sun’s solar cycle is producing unprecedentedly accurate predictions of irregularities within the Sun’s 11-year heartbeat. The model draws on dynamo effects in two layers of the Sun, one close to the surface and one deep within its convection zone. Predictions from the model suggest that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s to conditions last seen during the ‘mini ice age’ that began in 1645. Results will be presented today by Prof Valentina Zharkova at the National Astronomy Meeting in Llandudno.”
Prof Valentina Zharkova
Quote -
“In cycle 26, the two waves exactly mirror each other – peaking at the same time but in opposite hemispheres of the Sun. Their interaction will be disruptive, or they will nearly cancel each other. We predict that this will lead to the properties of a ‘Maunder minimum’,” said Zharkova. “Effectively, when the waves are approximately in phase, they can show strong interaction, or resonance, and we have strong solar activity. When they are out of phase, we have solar minimums. When there is full phase separation, we have the conditions last seen during the Maunder minimum, 370 years ago.”
Bunnings must have a sale on barrows at the moment.
wookiemeister said:
Worst Batman evah. Well since the 70s.
“A new model of the Sun’s solar cycle is producing unprecedentedly accurate predictions of irregularities within the Sun’s 11-year heartbeat. The model draws on dynamo effects in two layers of the Sun, one close to the surface and one deep within its convection zone. Predictions from the model suggest that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s to conditions last seen during the ‘mini ice age’ that began in 1645. Results will be presented today by Prof Valentina Zharkova at the National Astronomy Meeting in Llandudno.”
Prof Valentina Zharkova
tony abbot and his coal board representative meet to discuss these astounding revelations
wookiemeister said:
tony abbot and his coal board representative meet to discuss these astounding revelations
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Nice.
This isn’t a good way to navigate. Don’t know how you get to pluto driving like that…….
Just noticed this on the weather page…
SUN ON WEDNESDAY
Rises 6:42 EST
Explodes 11:28 EST
bugger
Ian said:
Which weather page?
Just noticed this on the weather page…SUN ON WEDNESDAY
Rises 6:42 EST
Explodes 11:28 EST
bugger
It matters not..
Drink up!
Ian said:
Just noticed this on the weather page…SUN ON WEDNESDAY
Rises 6:42 EST
Explodes 11:28 EST
bugger
Which weather page? ;)
Michael V said:
Ian said:Which weather page?
Just noticed this on the weather page…SUN ON WEDNESDAY
Rises 6:42 EST
Explodes 11:28 EST
bugger
You beat me to it by ages.
Peak Warming Man said:
I think these scientists are just scare mongering to try and get more funding for their pet project.
possibly also supported by the clothing industry…
Arts said:
Gotta do something to assist Bangladesh.
Peak Warming Man said:
I think these scientists are just scare mongering to try and get more funding for their pet project.
possibly also supported by the clothing industry…
Ian said:
Just noticed this on the weather page…SUN ON WEDNESDAY
Rises 6:42 EST
Explodes 11:28 EST
bugger
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/07/14/global_cooling_no_were_not_headed_for_a_mini_ice_age.html
JudgeMental said:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/07/14/global_cooling_no_were_not_headed_for_a_mini_ice_age.html
first sentence from this article -
“Sheesh, the global warming denial industry is cranked”
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Oh dear!
Now; from Dr David Evans – http://joannenova.com.au/2015/07/is-a-mini-ice-age-coming-in-2030-and-does-the-sun-have-two-dynamos/
The topic is a prediction publicized over the weekend that “Solar activity predicted to fall 60% in 2030s, to ‘mini ice age’ levels“. This is quite plausible, because it fits with several other predictions made in 2013 by a number of authors (Special Issue of Pattern Recognition in Physics, Mörner, Tattersall & Solheim, 2013).
http://www.pattern-recogn-phys.net/special_issue2.html
Pattern Recognition in Physics
An Open Access Journal
The complex planetary synchronization structure of the solar system
N. Scafetta
Pattern Recogn. Phys., 2, 1-19, 2014
Responses of the basic cycles of 178.7 and 2402 yr in solar–terrestrial phenomena during the Holocene
I. Charvátová and P. Hejda
Pattern Recogn. Phys., 2, 21-26, 2014
Preface: Pattern in solar variability, their planetary origin and terrestrial impacts
N.-A. Mörner, R. Tattersall, and J.-E. Solheim
Pattern Recogn. Phys., 1, 203-204, 2013
The Hum: log-normal distribution and planetary–solar resonance
R. Tattersall
Pattern Recogn. Phys., 1, 185-198, 2013
Energy transfer in the solar system
H. Jelbring
Pattern Recogn. Phys., 1, 165-176, 2013
Planetary beat and solar–terrestrial responses
N.-A. Mörner
Pattern Recogn. Phys., 1, 107-116, 2013
Signals from the planets, via the Sun to the Earth
J.-E. Solheim
Pattern Recogn. Phys., 1, 177-184, 2013
Apparent relations between planetary spin, orbit, and solar differential rotation
R. Tattersall
Pattern Recogn. Phys., 1, 199-202, 2013
The Venus–Earth–Jupiter spin–orbit coupling model
I. R. G. Wilson
Pattern Recogn. Phys., 1, 147-158, 2013
Celestial commensurabilities: some special cases
H. Jelbring
Pattern Recogn. Phys., 1, 143-146, 2013
Multiscale comparative spectral analysis of satellite total solar irradiance measurements from 2003 to 2013 reveals a planetary modulation of solar activity and its nonlinear dependence on the 11 yr solar cycle
N. Scafetta and R. C. Willson
Pattern Recogn. Phys., 1, 123-133, 2013
The sunspot cycle length – modulated by planets?
J.-E. Solheim
Pattern Recogn. Phys., 1, 159-164, 2013
A mathematical model of the sunspot cycle for the past 1000 yr
R. J. Salvador
Pattern Recogn. Phys., 1, 117-122, 2013
General conclusions regarding the planetary–solar–terrestrial interaction
N.-A. Mörner, R. Tattersall, J.-E. Solheim, I. Charvatova, N. Scafetta, H. Jelbring, I. R. Wilson, R. Salvador, R. C. Willson, P. Hejda, W. Soon, V. M. Velasco Herrera, O. Humlum, D. Archibald, H. Yndestad, D. Easterbrook, J. Casey, G. Gregori, and G. Henriksson
Pattern Recogn. Phys., 1, 205-206, 2013
Not sure that people would like their preconcieved notions interfered with TO, (as you well know).
Science is in the eye of the beholder.
>Now; from Dr David Evans – http://joannenova.com.au/2015/07/is-a-mini-ice-age-coming-in-2030-and-does-the-sun-have-two-dynamos/
What a surprise, it’s a denialist site.
Bubblecar said:
>Now; from Dr David Evans – http://joannenova.com.au/2015/07/is-a-mini-ice-age-coming-in-2030-and-does-the-sun-have-two-dynamos/What a surprise, it’s a denialist site.
Bubblecar said:
>Now; from Dr David Evans – http://joannenova.com.au/2015/07/is-a-mini-ice-age-coming-in-2030-and-does-the-sun-have-two-dynamos/What a surprise, it’s a denialist site.
is this a >> denialist site <<… http://www.pattern-recogn-phys.net/special_issue2.html
???
I don’t see the link between climate denial (whatever that is exactly) & the topic of this thread.
seems there’s plenty of barrow pushing
Hmm, unfortunate name :)
>“In cycle 26, the two waves exactly mirror each other – peaking at the same time but in opposite hemispheres of the Sun. Their interaction will be disruptive, or they will nearly cancel each other. We predict that this will lead to the properties of a ‘Maunder minimum’,” said Zharkova.
> A new model of the Sun’s solar cycle is producing unprecedentedly accurate predictions of irregularities within the Sun’s 11-year heartbeat.
It wouldn’t have to be very accurate to be “unprecedentedly accurate”. I was looking into sunspot prediction reports from the time of the minimum at the start of the most recent cycle and I could have done better, did do better actually, than more than one of those predictions, by just making a wild guess that a lower minimum would result in a lower maximum.