Hi all,

I’ve run into a spot of bother, I guess you could say.

Broke up with my fiance, she booted me out of our house (again) on 9th August, two weeks ago. In our subsequent text messaging, it seems I’ve lost a few things along the way.

She had been taking photos on my digital SLR camera, and was doing a better job than me, so I said she could have the camera. The camera bag included my brother’s 300mm lens. She’s now claiming ownership of the camera and 300mm lens and I’m needing to buy myself a replacement. Lesson learnt on that one – don’t joke about someone being able to have your camera, because she’ll take it literally and literally take it.

But the main issue I’m having now, and hoping to get your opinion on it .. All my stuff is still in the house and garage. I had planned to go there on Monday with a truck to get it all. My name isn’t on the lease, it never was, and we have been there since February on a 12-month lease in her name only. We broke up, she cracked it, she has people chasing her for money and has now decided in her infinite wisdom to pack what she can fit into the car and leave… She won’t tell me where she’s going, but just said it’s not a safe place. She has the option to take the pets (4 cats and 2 dogs including a 9-week-old puppy), but despite claiming to love the pets so much and previously been such a great animal activist, has said she’s not taking them and will leave them in the house on their own, and maybe her parents will take them to an animal foster care place. No idea why she’s doing any of this, she’s just lost the plot.

But with all my stuff being in there, I have a key to the house, but no key to the garage (which has a bolt and chain that is bolt cutter proof) or side gate. She says I owe her money (over $1000) and until it’s paid she won’t let her parents give me the key to get into the garage to get my things out.

So, question – can she legally prevent me getting access to my things in the garage?

yhgJTQ said:

Hi all,

I’ve run into a spot of bother, I guess you could say.

Broke up with my fiance, she booted me out of our house (again) on 9th August, two weeks ago. In our subsequent text messaging, it seems I’ve lost a few things along the way.

She had been taking photos on my digital SLR camera, and was doing a better job than me, so I said she could have the camera. The camera bag included my brother’s 300mm lens. She’s now claiming ownership of the camera and 300mm lens and I’m needing to buy myself a replacement. Lesson learnt on that one – don’t joke about someone being able to have your camera, because she’ll take it literally and literally take it.

But the main issue I’m having now, and hoping to get your opinion on it .. All my stuff is still in the house and garage. I had planned to go there on Monday with a truck to get it all. My name isn’t on the lease, it never was, and we have been there since February on a 12-month lease in her name only. We broke up, she cracked it, she has people chasing her for money and has now decided in her infinite wisdom to pack what she can fit into the car and leave… She won’t tell me where she’s going, but just said it’s not a safe place. She has the option to take the pets (4 cats and 2 dogs including a 9-week-old puppy), but despite claiming to love the pets so much and previously been such a great animal activist, has said she’s not taking them and will leave them in the house on their own, and maybe her parents will take them to an animal foster care place. No idea why she’s doing any of this, she’s just lost the plot.

But with all my stuff being in there, I have a key to the house, but no key to the garage (which has a bolt and chain that is bolt cutter proof) or side gate. She says I owe her money (over $1000) and until it’s paid she won’t let her parents give me the key to get into the garage to get my things out.

So, question – can she legally prevent me getting access to my things in the garage?

just go in the garage and get your stuff , it’s yours take it back

wookiemeister said:

just go in the garage and get your stuff , it’s yours take it back

Yes it is, but the side gate is padlocked, and the garage has a padlock and chain on it that can’t be cut through. So unless she gives her parents the go ahead to give me the key, I can’t get in there.

I’m wondering if she can legally hold on to it, or could I somehow force her parents to give me the key?

I really just want to get my things and get her out of my life.

Why don’t you contact the Police? anonamously if possible, or through a “friend of a friend”. Do you have any dirt on her?

bob(from black rock) said:

Why don’t you contact the Police? anonamously if possible, or through a “friend of a friend”. Do you have any dirt on her?

I’ve got a friend who’s a policeman, I can ask him. I guess I could come up with dirt on her, but I really don’t want to do things like that.

She’s playing nasty, I’m not.

JTQ said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Why don’t you contact the Police? anonamously if possible, or through a “friend of a friend”. Do you have any dirt on her?

I’ve got a friend who’s a policeman, I can ask him. I guess I could come up with dirt on her, but I really don’t want to do things like that.

She’s playing nasty, I’m not.

No but you must act in self defence, if she was shooting live ammunition at you, then you are legally entitled to return fire.

It would appear that your ex has placed a lien over your goods, until rent and other matters have been settled. If you broke into her garage and took your property, then I would imagine it could be classified as a break and enter, possibly including theft. I suggest you be nice to her and find out exactly what she wants and come to an agreement. You could go down the legal path, but that could prove not only very costly should you lose, but take a considerable amount of time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lien

This woman is not to be trusted.
Don’t take her word on anything. Especially what the rent issue is….that sounds like a matter to take to a rental tribunal.
Her behaviour is very dysfunctional about everything, from what you said. Especially with regard to the animals.
The household expenditure needs sorting out – sounds like you paid a considerable amount towards the daily expenses….it’s not all about bills.
My opinion? Get legal help right away, after rescuing the critters. You may not be eligible for legal aid if you are working.

if you’ve been cohabiting, with your shit stuck in the shed you are more likely to be in a position of paying any outstanding money for rent, and liabilities might extend to things bought and not fully paid for.

but, you haven’t been authorized to stay locked away from your (that unlikely to be disputed) property and neglect it, so man-up with the bolt cutters.

not to be taken too literally…

Oh, after rescuing the animals….do not communicate with her unless via a lawyer.

I hate to say it….she’s fucking nuts and nothing you say will change that. You can jump through hoops until you’re dead and it won’t make her happy. I know – I lived with someone like this a long time ago.

kii said:

Oh, after rescuing the animals….do not communicate with her unless via a lawyer.

I hate to say it….she’s fucking nuts and nothing you say will change that. You can jump through hoops until you’re dead and it won’t make her happy. I know – I lived with someone like this a long time ago.

Hope JTQ has a good bank balance. Personally and legally I don’t think he has a leg to stand on. Monthly rent payments refer to a 4 week period and not a Calender month that vary between 28 and 31 days. If you cannot reach a realistic settlement, then you can sue her for the return of your goods and anything else owed to you, but you may lose and be liable for her costs, as well as your own.

this was in the other version of this thread…I’m wondering if JTQ has seen the communication from the agents or if it is just her interpretation of things. Personally I wouldn’t trust her with a wet paper bag.

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From: JTQ
ID: 764787
Subject: re: Your opinion please

kii said:

She _ says_ you owe her money, do you owe her money or is this part of her mania? Does Oz still have legal aid offices? How about asking at your local neighbourhood centre if they have a tenancy advice person or any other useful contact? I’d get that type of advice to take her and the parents on. G’luck :)

Thanks Kii. Yeh we have legal aid still.

So we both split rent, paid half each, every month. But now we find that each month rent was paid short. So the property was advertised at $260/wk, so we paid $1040/month. But now, after 6 months, they’re saying it’s paid short each month and there’s 4.3 weeks per month, not 4 weeks, so they’re after the rent that was missing each month. No idea why they’re only bringing it up now instead of months ago. So she’s saying I owe half of that. Which I guess is fair enough.

But I hadn’t paid bills while I was there. I had put a lot of money into groceries and paid half rent, but also had a most of my money going towards petrol (I worked 70km from home) and her regular purchases from sellers in Facebook groups. So she’s chasing me for half the cost of bills from the 6 months I was there.

kii said:

this was in the other version of this thread…I’m wondering if JTQ has seen the communication from the agents or if it is just her interpretation of things. Personally I wouldn’t trust her with a wet paper bag.

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Do you know this person Kii in order to make such a statement about her, or are you disregarding legal principles in favour of good old Aussie mateship, where whatever they say is always right, whether they are or not? Because if you are, mateship counts for nothing in a court of law.

PermeateFree said:

kii said:

this was in the other version of this thread…I’m wondering if JTQ has seen the communication from the agents or if it is just her interpretation of things. Personally I wouldn’t trust her with a wet paper bag.

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Do you know this person Kii in order to make such a statement about her, or are you disregarding legal principles in favour of good old Aussie mateship, where whatever they say is always right, whether they are or not? Because if you are, mateship counts for nothing in a court of law.

Of course I don’t know her :P but I know many people (or knew many people) who behaved within this same pattern. I also assisted lots of families caught up in the chaos of one person’s destructive behaviour…via child care services and various community groups. There’s always a pattern of crazy, this woman is following the ‘rules’ very well ;)

I have finished my coffee and now will return to the household tasks.

Good luck JTQ.

JTQ said:

wookiemeister said:

just go in the garage and get your stuff , it’s yours take it back

Yes it is, but the side gate is padlocked, and the garage has a padlock and chain on it that can’t be cut through. So unless she gives her parents the go ahead to give me the key, I can’t get in there.

I’m wondering if she can legally hold on to it, or could I somehow force her parents to give me the key?

I really just want to get my things and get her out of my life.

bolt cutters

JTQ said:

Yes it is, but the side gate is padlocked, and the garage has a padlock and chain on it that can’t be cut through

An angle grinder with a 1 mm cut-off disc will cut through that in less than a minute.
Borrow one off a mate and go get your stuff.

Spiny Norman said:

JTQ said:

Yes it is, but the side gate is padlocked, and the garage has a padlock and chain on it that can’t be cut through

An angle grinder with a 1 mm cut-off disc will cut through that in less than a minute.
Borrow one off a mate and go get your stuff.

What sort of a shed is it? There may be other ways of emptying it while leaving the padlock and chain untouched.

I’d have a chat to your policeman mate. She has no right to lock your stuff up. You both own half of everything, including the bills. It will only cost a couple of hundred to get a letter of intent sent from a lawyer, asking her to mediate..

Put your own padlock on the chain, linking links either side of the existing padlock, so access cannot be gained by anyone else.

Explain to her that she will get the bond of $1040 when the place is left in good condition, and that the bond won’t be returned when there are contents in the house

stumpy_seahorse said:

Put your own padlock on the chain, linking links either side of the existing padlock, so access cannot be gained by anyone else.

Explain to her that she will get the bond of $1040 when the place is left in good condition, and that the bond won’t be returned when there are contents in the house

Good suggestions.

Is this the same chick you’ve been having trouble with for a long time? If so, take this as lesson learned for the last time. She’s not to be trusted and likes to run you around. She’s not worth it. She’s playing games and clearly doesn’t respect you or the relationship.

If it’s a different chicky babe, maybe it’s a chance to take some time for yourself and not think about forming relationships for a while as they don’t seem to be working terribly well for you recently.

Either way, chat to your policeman mate and have him there when you get your stuff.

PS, are you coming back to Simpsons Tapped Out? You’re missing the Monorail event.

Divine Angel said:

Is this the same chick you’ve been having trouble with for a long time? If so, take this as lesson learned for the last time. She’s not to be trusted and likes to run you around. She’s not worth it. She’s playing games and clearly doesn’t respect you or the relationship.

If it’s a different chicky babe, maybe it’s a chance to take some time for yourself and not think about forming relationships for a while as they don’t seem to be working terribly well for you recently.

Either way, chat to your policeman mate and have him there when you get your stuff.

PS, are you coming back to Simpsons Tapped Out? You’re missing the Monorail event.

one thing, make decisions and act of facts. logic and common sense… NOT emotion.
if you don’t think you can do that, get a friend/family member to mediate for you

Divine Angel said:

She’s playing games and clearly doesn’t respect you or the relationship.

clear cut.

stumpy_seahorse said:

one thing, make decisions and act of facts. logic and common sense… NOT emotion.
if you don’t think you can do that, get a friend/family member to mediate for you

Yeah. Sounds like mediation will be the only way out.

stumpy_seahorse said:

one thing, make decisions and act of facts. logic and common sense… NOT emotion.
if you don’t think you can do that, get a friend/family member to mediate for you

excellent advice

> she has people chasing her for money

Why, just the lease or some other reason?

> and maybe her parents will take them

Are you on good terms with her parents? If so, talk to them, express concern over the pets, talk over the finances, and only then bring up the topic of the garage. Also, it wouldn’t hurt to talk to the person that she is leasing the property from, they’d appreciate an update.

Avoid lawyers for as long as possible, or that $1,000 will soon become $10,000, or even $50,000.

mollwollfumble said:

> she has people chasing her for money

Why, just the lease or some other reason?

> and maybe her parents will take them

Are you on good terms with her parents? If so, talk to them, express concern over the pets, talk over the finances, and only then bring up the topic of the garage. Also, it wouldn’t hurt to talk to the person that she is leasing the property from, they’d appreciate an update.

Avoid lawyers for as long as possible, or that $1,000 will soon become $10,000, or even $50,000.

PS. You haven’t mentioned her stuff. If she’s defaulting on the lease and travelling in the car, then her problem as regards her stuff will rapidly become a lot worse than yours. Again, talk to her parents.

The homework done, the first chat with the lawyer should be free or near enough. Maybe that will be all that is needed to spend on leagl eagles unless she won’t mediate.

I’m sure that if a letter requesting mediation arrives in her box, she’ll have no way of affording a legal battle either. She will comply unless she’s a complete nutter.

Hi all, thanks for your input.

I’ve read all replies, so hopefully I’ll remember them all and address them here now.

DA, I’m not coming back to Simpsons Tapped Out. Every time I start the game it downloads a lot more and my monthly bandwidth can’t keep up. “She” had the same problem and also stopped playing.

The suggestion of bolt cutters would be a good one, but like I said, the chain and padlock can’t be cut through. They’re bolt-cutter-proof. There was concern that someone was regularly breaking in to the garage, so we specifically bought a padlock and chain that can’t be cut. I don’t know the exact type, but I believe the brand is Master. Cost about $80 for chain and padlock at Mitre 10.

She’s being chased for money from the real estate for unpaid rent, now that they’re saying each month it wasn’t paid in full. It’s frustrating that they never said anything in previous months when they had plenty of opportunity, as she went into their office each month to pay rent in cash and they printed a receipt to say $1040 is paid each month. Her copy of the lease has been misplaced so we can’t go back and check if it says $260 per week, or $1040 per month. If it says $1040 per month, then screw them, we don’t owe anything. She is also being chased for money for previous debts – credit cards (maxed out by her ex who stole all money he could from her), previous bills (mobile phone & power), car accident repairs (she wasn’t insured and was at fault in a 3-car accident), and I’m sure there’s others she hasn’t told me about.

Masters are good locks. An angle grinder will still cut the chain. It may not be as easy as other chains but it can be cut.

This isn’t what you want to do though.

The suggestion to put your own lock on was a good one. This will ensure that she cannot do anything with your stuff. Though why you didn’t get one of the keys that came with the lock is a mystery to me.

If you really want to get into the shed for something urgent, talk to your policeman friend.

With the suggestion of getting a lawyer to send her a letter, that won’t work either, because she’s leaving the house today and walking away from the lease, house, furniture, belongings, pets, … and not giving anyone a forwarding address. She’s not telling anyone where she’s going.

Surely someone will know, like the people at the place she’s going to (I’m assuming there’s a place she’s going to and not just going to live in her car). But with everyone currently in her life (all 6 of us), she’s not saying where she’s going.

I can’t have my policeman friend with me when I go to pick up my things, as he works 5 hours from where her house is.

And DA again, yep it’s the same girl as before, I’ve been going out with her since late December.

I wasn’t on the lease and there’s no legal paperwork to say I was at the property, with the exception of Centrelink having that as my residential address while I’ve been out of work (unemployment is very high in that region) and all my mail being addressed to there. We weren’t in a “registered” relationship, claiming to be de facto or anything of the like. As far as any authorities knew, I was simply boarding with her, staying in the spare room.

Having said that… and someone did ask about it earlier in the thread (bob?) .. I did come up with something I could throw her way… Her young daughter cracked it one night at the end of May and left to go to my ex-fiance’s parents’ house (a few houses down the road). But even though that was 3 months ago, she is still claiming Parenting Payment Single from Centrelink. If they found out about it, and considering she hasn’t been looking for work during that time, she’d have to pay back ummm…. $13,000ish….?

JTQ said:

Hi all, thanks for your input.

I’ve read all replies, so hopefully I’ll remember them all and address them here now.

DA, I’m not coming back to Simpsons Tapped Out. Every time I start the game it downloads a lot more and my monthly bandwidth can’t keep up. “She” had the same problem and also stopped playing.

The suggestion of bolt cutters would be a good one, but like I said, the chain and padlock can’t be cut through. They’re bolt-cutter-proof. There was concern that someone was regularly breaking in to the garage, so we specifically bought a padlock and chain that can’t be cut. I don’t know the exact type, but I believe the brand is Master. Cost about $80 for chain and padlock at Mitre 10.

She’s being chased for money from the real estate for unpaid rent, now that they’re saying each month it wasn’t paid in full. It’s frustrating that they never said anything in previous months when they had plenty of opportunity, as she went into their office each month to pay rent in cash and they printed a receipt to say $1040 is paid each month. Her copy of the lease has been misplaced so we can’t go back and check if it says $260 per week, or $1040 per month. If it says $1040 per month, then screw them, we don’t owe anything. She is also being chased for money for previous debts – credit cards (maxed out by her ex who stole all money he could from her), previous bills (mobile phone & power), car accident repairs (she wasn’t insured and was at fault in a 3-car accident), and I’m sure there’s others she hasn’t told me about.

the real estate agent, by law, must produce their copy of the rental agreement if you request it

roughbarked said:

Masters are good locks. An angle grinder will still cut the chain. It may not be as easy as other chains but it can be cut.

This isn’t what you want to do though.

The suggestion to put your own lock on was a good one. This will ensure that she cannot do anything with your stuff. Though why you didn’t get one of the keys that came with the lock is a mystery to me.

If you really want to get into the shed for something urgent, talk to your policeman friend.

Cheers, I’ll ask him. The urgent thing I want is all my stuff so I can get her the hell out of my life.

She demanded the keys back when she kicked me out, and specifically said about the side gate and garage keys. I did, however, get a copy of the house keys before she demanded them back… so anything in the house is easy to get out. I got a copy of them “for emergencies only”, like if something went majorly wrong and I had to urgently get in there… Like if she had hurt herself and the only way for someone to help was for me to unlock the door.

stumpy_seahorse said:

the real estate agent, by law, must produce their copy of the rental agreement if you request it

That’s what I told her. But I don’t think she’s gone there to do it. And because my name’s not on the lease, I have no legal ability to get a copy of the lease.

JTQ said:

With the suggestion of getting a lawyer to send her a letter, that won’t work either, because she’s leaving the house today and walking away from the lease, house, furniture, belongings, pets, … and not giving anyone a forwarding address. She’s not telling anyone where she’s going.

Surely someone will know, like the people at the place she’s going to (I’m assuming there’s a place she’s going to and not just going to live in her car). But with everyone currently in her life (all 6 of us), she’s not saying where she’s going.

I can’t have my policeman friend with me when I go to pick up my things, as he works 5 hours from where her house is.

And DA again, yep it’s the same girl as before, I’ve been going out with her since late December.

I wasn’t on the lease and there’s no legal paperwork to say I was at the property, with the exception of Centrelink having that as my residential address while I’ve been out of work (unemployment is very high in that region) and all my mail being addressed to there. We weren’t in a “registered” relationship, claiming to be de facto or anything of the like. As far as any authorities knew, I was simply boarding with her, staying in the spare room.

Having said that… and someone did ask about it earlier in the thread (bob?) .. I did come up with something I could throw her way… Her young daughter cracked it one night at the end of May and left to go to my ex-fiance’s parents’ house (a few houses down the road). But even though that was 3 months ago, she is still claiming Parenting Payment Single from Centrelink. If they found out about it, and considering she hasn’t been looking for work during that time, she’d have to pay back ummm…. $13,000ish….?

as i said before, if she leaves the place like that, she’ll forfeit $1040 of bond, you may need somebody closer to her to explain that to her

stumpy_seahorse said:

as i said before, if she leaves the place like that, she’ll forfeit $1040 of bond, you may need somebody closer to her to explain that to her

She didn’t pay for it. It was paid for by some organisation that covers the bond when the tenant isn’t able to afford it.

JTQ said:

roughbarked said:

Masters are good locks. An angle grinder will still cut the chain. It may not be as easy as other chains but it can be cut.

This isn’t what you want to do though.

The suggestion to put your own lock on was a good one. This will ensure that she cannot do anything with your stuff. Though why you didn’t get one of the keys that came with the lock is a mystery to me.

If you really want to get into the shed for something urgent, talk to your policeman friend.

Cheers, I’ll ask him. The urgent thing I want is all my stuff so I can get her the hell out of my life.

She demanded the keys back when she kicked me out, and specifically said about the side gate and garage keys. I did, however, get a copy of the house keys before she demanded them back… so anything in the house is easy to get out. I got a copy of them “for emergencies only”, like if something went majorly wrong and I had to urgently get in there… Like if she had hurt herself and the only way for someone to help was for me to unlock the door.

what is the garage made of? tin? brick?

stumpy_seahorse said:

what is the garage made of? tin? brick?

Tin. It has a side door (with the padlock & chain) and a lift-up wide front door that spans the width of the garage, but it doesn’t lift up from the outside because the lock on the handle doesn’t work, so it’s permanently locked from the outside.

JTQ said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

the real estate agent, by law, must produce their copy of the rental agreement if you request it

That’s what I told her. But I don’t think she’s gone there to do it. And because my name’s not on the lease, I have no legal ability to get a copy of the lease.

You are or were, in a defacto relationship.

Your lawyers can get their hands on everything. She can’t run away and just disappear as easily as it sounds.

JTQ said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

what is the garage made of? tin? brick?

Tin. It has a side door (with the padlock & chain) and a lift-up wide front door that spans the width of the garage, but it doesn’t lift up from the outside because the lock on the handle doesn’t work, so it’s permanently locked from the outside.

easy peasy. take a panel off.

roughbarked said:

easy peasy. take a panel off.

This is sounding awfully destructive.

There’s no way she can run from centrelink and the body that funded the lease.. She’s forked whichever way she looks at it.

JTQ said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

what is the garage made of? tin? brick?

Tin. It has a side door (with the padlock & chain) and a lift-up wide front door that spans the width of the garage, but it doesn’t lift up from the outside because the lock on the handle doesn’t work, so it’s permanently locked from the outside.

get a techscrew socket from the hardware store and take a side panel off, you can replace it afterwards so it’s not ‘breaking and entering’ as no damage was done.

an alternative would be to approach the real estate agent and see if you can take over the lease for 6 months, explain the situation, RE agents aren’t too bad to talk with and they’ve seen it all before. If you are up front, pleasant to talk to and willing to help out, they should help you out as they need the income for that place

stumpy_seahorse said:

JTQ said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

what is the garage made of? tin? brick?

Tin. It has a side door (with the padlock & chain) and a lift-up wide front door that spans the width of the garage, but it doesn’t lift up from the outside because the lock on the handle doesn’t work, so it’s permanently locked from the outside.

an alternative would be to approach the real estate agent and see if you can take over the lease for 6 months, explain the situation, RE agents aren’t too bad to talk with and they’ve seen it all before. If you are up front, pleasant to talk to and willing to help out, they should help you out as they need the income for that place

A good suggestion. The one I was dealing with during the break up of my relationship, was excellent and very supportive over the following years. It was a small village, but very understanding about life etc.

roughbarked said:

There’s no way she can run from centrelink and the body that funded the lease.. She’s forked whichever way she looks at it.

True… but that’s why I’m wondering what all this is about. Where is she going that is making her leave everything behind, including her pets that she “loves so much” and has previously been such a great animal activist and pet foster carer.

She’ll never get a rental property ever again.

And I know she’s not planning to kill herself either (despite 4 previous attempts), because she’s claimed my camera and plans to keep using it, and says it holds “good memories”… and also because she’s taking everything that will fit in her car… which .. suggests she’s going a long way, otherwise she could move out over a period of time..

hm… my mind’s ticking over…..

Her divorce from her husband was never processed because she didn’t know how to do the paperwork on her own, and she didn’t know where he was. I messaged her last week telling her I managed to track him down using the Australian Business Registry, he’s in suburban Brisbane. So if she’s taking only what will fit in her car, can take the pets but choosing not to, and not coming back…. I could assume she’s heading to Brisbane to try and track him down?

He ran out on her when she was 5 months pregnant, after cheating on her multiple times.

I could do.. but I don’t like the idea of being up there on my own with not enough income to pay for the property and bills and groceries, etc.

A good suggestion, but not one I’d be able to do. Besides, my personality wouldn’t allow me to be there on my own, without her being there with me. Too many memories in that place. It’s going to be bad enough going back to pick up my things, let alone living there on my own and knowing she’s never coming back.

JTQ said:

roughbarked said:

There’s no way she can run from centrelink and the body that funded the lease.. She’s forked whichever way she looks at it.

True… but that’s why I’m wondering what all this is about. Where is she going that is making her leave everything behind, including her pets that she “loves so much” and has previously been such a great animal activist and pet foster carer.

She’ll never get a rental property ever again.

And I know she’s not planning to kill herself either (despite 4 previous attempts), because she’s claimed my camera and plans to keep using it, and says it holds “good memories”… and also because she’s taking everything that will fit in her car… which .. suggests she’s going a long way, otherwise she could move out over a period of time..

hm… my mind’s ticking over…..

Her divorce from her husband was never processed because she didn’t know how to do the paperwork on her own, and she didn’t know where he was. I messaged her last week telling her I managed to track him down using the Australian Business Registry, he’s in suburban Brisbane. So if she’s taking only what will fit in her car, can take the pets but choosing not to, and not coming back…. I could assume she’s heading to Brisbane to try and track him down?

He ran out on her when she was 5 months pregnant, after cheating on her multiple times.

you also need to decide what you are doing.

You say all you want is your stuff and her out of your life, but are still wondering where she is going and what she is doing.

Your choice is either pursue her, or cut the ties clean

JTQ said:

roughbarked said:

There’s no way she can run from centrelink and the body that funded the lease.. She’s forked whichever way she looks at it.

True… but that’s why I’m wondering what all this is about. Where is she going that is making her leave everything behind, including her pets that she “loves so much” and has previously been such a great animal activist and pet foster carer.

She’ll never get a rental property ever again.

And I know she’s not planning to kill herself either (despite 4 previous attempts), because she’s claimed my camera and plans to keep using it, and says it holds “good memories”… and also because she’s taking everything that will fit in her car… which .. suggests she’s going a long way, otherwise she could move out over a period of time..

hm… my mind’s ticking over…..

Her divorce from her husband was never processed because she didn’t know how to do the paperwork on her own, and she didn’t know where he was. I messaged her last week telling her I managed to track him down using the Australian Business Registry, he’s in suburban Brisbane. So if she’s taking only what will fit in her car, can take the pets but choosing not to, and not coming back…. I could assume she’s heading to Brisbane to try and track him down?

He ran out on her when she was 5 months pregnant, after cheating on her multiple times.

She can’t take your camera either, by the way.

Do something to stop her before she wreaks damage upon your stuff. Do something to help yourself. She doesn’t really have a leg to stand on.

stumpy_seahorse said:

you also need to decide what you are doing.

You say all you want is your stuff and her out of your life, but are still wondering where she is going and what she is doing.

Your choice is either pursue her, or cut the ties clean

Oh I know what I’m doing. I’m not having anything more to do with her.

But – despite everything that has happened, I still care about her and wish her the best, and I hope she will be safe wherever she goes. It’s confusing to me that she says she’s voluntarily going to a place that’s not safe for her to be, and she’s abandoning her pets. It makes no sense… But yeh, I just want to know she’s okay.

roughbarked said:

She can’t take your camera either, by the way.

Do something to stop her before she wreaks damage upon your stuff. Do something to help yourself. She doesn’t really have a leg to stand on.

That’s what I’m wondering about, and the purpose of this thread. Can she legally stop me from taking my own things?

The camera was given to her as a gift, although it was said jokingly. But she says that because I had given it to her, its hers and I can’t claim it back. My policeman friend said they wouldn’t get involved, it’s a civil matter. But basically suggesting that yep, it’s hers.

JTQ said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

you also need to decide what you are doing.

You say all you want is your stuff and her out of your life, but are still wondering where she is going and what she is doing.

Your choice is either pursue her, or cut the ties clean

Oh I know what I’m doing. I’m not having anything more to do with her.

But – despite everything that has happened, I still care about her and wish her the best, and I hope she will be safe wherever she goes. It’s confusing to me that she says she’s voluntarily going to a place that’s not safe for her to be, and she’s abandoning her pets. It makes no sense… But yeh, I just want to know she’s okay.

Understandable..

but i’ll let you in on some info.

You stressing about it, won’t change it.

stumpy_seahorse said:

Understandable..

but i’ll let you in on some info.

You stressing about it, won’t change it.

I know it won’t. There’s nothing I can do about it. But I still just need to know she’s okay, it’ll help me feel better about things at least.

JTQ said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

Understandable..

but i’ll let you in on some info.

You stressing about it, won’t change it.

I know it won’t. There’s nothing I can do about it. But I still just need to know she’s okay, it’ll help me feel better about things at least.

Another little secret. You can’t do anything to help her. It is you that you can help.

JTQ said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

Understandable..

but i’ll let you in on some info.

You stressing about it, won’t change it.

I know it won’t. There’s nothing I can do about it. But I still just need to know she’s okay, it’ll help me feel better about things at least.

sounds like your head is locked up in the garage with the rest of your gear, and she holds the key…

roughbarked said:

Another little secret. You can’t do anything to help her. It is you that you can help.

Yeh I know.. I still care about her though, and hope she’s okay.

Just wondering though, when she does get up the Brisbane, if she does find him, what is she going to do? She’ll know where to serve him with divorce papers, but besides that….?

stumpy_seahorse said:

sounds like your head is locked up in the garage with the rest of your gear, and she holds the key…

To be honest, as much as I want them gone, my feelings for her are still somewhat existing.

But daily I’m distancing myself further from those feelings. I’m now at the point where I’m okay with never seeing her again, which is a big step forward for me.

JTQ said:

roughbarked said:

Another little secret. You can’t do anything to help her. It is you that you can help.

Yeh I know.. I still care about her though, and hope she’s okay.

Just wondering though, when she does get up the Brisbane, if she does find him, what is she going to do? She’ll know where to serve him with divorce papers, but besides that….?

This is outside your query, but one can still get divorced if the other party can’t be found. But first, you have to exhaust all other avenues including getting the Sheriff involved. I didn’t know we had Sheriffs but there you go.

JTQ said:

roughbarked said:

Another little secret. You can’t do anything to help her. It is you that you can help.

Yeh I know.. I still care about her though, and hope she’s okay.

Just wondering though, when she does get up the Brisbane, if she does find him, what is she going to do? She’ll know where to serve him with divorce papers, but besides that….?

not your problem anymore..

And I’ll still keep you as a Simpsons friend just because it helps me get friend prizes :p

Divine Angel said:

JTQ said:

roughbarked said:

Another little secret. You can’t do anything to help her. It is you that you can help.

Yeh I know.. I still care about her though, and hope she’s okay.

Just wondering though, when she does get up the Brisbane, if she does find him, what is she going to do? She’ll know where to serve him with divorce papers, but besides that….?

This is outside your query, but one can still get divorced if the other party can’t be found. But first, you have to exhaust all other avenues including getting the Sheriff involved. I didn’t know we had Sheriffs but there you go.

I think you will find that the solicitor will do all of that for you.

Is she leaving the animals in the house?!? Call the police stat. Property can wait, but animals can’t.

OCDC said:

Is she leaving the animals in the house?!? Call the police stat. Property can wait, but animals can’t.

Yes, especially because of the puppy :(

kii said:

OCDC said:

Is she leaving the animals in the house?!? Call the police stat. Property can wait, but animals can’t.

Yes, especially because of the puppy :(

If not the police, the RSPCA.

roughbarked said:

kii said:

OCDC said:

Is she leaving the animals in the house?!? Call the police stat. Property can wait, but animals can’t.

Yes, especially because of the puppy :(

If not the police, the RSPCA.

RSPCA can’t enter the property without the police so it’s pointless to call them first.

OCDC said:

roughbarked said:

kii said:

Yes, especially because of the puppy :(

If not the police, the RSPCA.

RSPCA can’t enter the property without the police so it’s pointless to call them first.

They’ll ask the police anyway?

that’s fucking awful.

i’m sorry to hear that you’ve found yourself in such a mess, and hope you can get things sorted out soon.

I think there is a lot more to this story being withheld, they are either incredibly naïve and dumb, or they think we are.

PermeateFree said:

I think there is a lot more to this story being withheld, they are either incredibly naïve and dumb, or they think we are.

Every situation like this is different, different people, different circumstances.

PermeateFree said:

I think there is a lot more to this story being withheld, they are either incredibly naïve and dumb, or they think we are.

By “they” you mean me? Can’t say i appreciate the remark, I’ve given as much information as I’m able. Need to know anything more, simply ask.

CrazyNeutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

I think there is a lot more to this story being withheld, they are either incredibly naïve and dumb, or they think we are.

Every situation like this is different, different people, different circumstances.

Very much so.

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

I think there is a lot more to this story being withheld, they are either incredibly naïve and dumb, or they think we are.

By “they” you mean me? Can’t say i appreciate the remark, I’ve given as much information as I’m able. Need to know anything more, simply ask.

If you went to the Real Estate office and explained the situation and that you are responsible for paying half the rent, I would think they would be only too pleased to let you examine the lease. Do you really want to know?

People very, very rarely will leave all their belongings including their much loved pets locked up in the house. Is this really the situation, or is she just trying to avoid you?

You avoid answering all the suggestions given to enable you to make progress, why?

I haven’t avoided answering any questions. I posted a couple of long messages this afternoon in response to suggestions posted. What did I miss?

JTQ said:

I haven’t avoided answering any questions. I posted a couple of long messages this afternoon in response to suggestions posted. What did I miss?

You missed PermeateFree’s suspicious mind.

:)

JTQ said:

I haven’t avoided answering any questions. I posted a couple of long messages this afternoon in response to suggestions posted. What did I miss?

Well answering the first two questions in my last post.

JTQ said:

I haven’t avoided answering any questions. I posted a couple of long messages this afternoon in response to suggestions posted. What did I miss?

Ants, did you mention ants?

kii said:

JTQ said:

I haven’t avoided answering any questions. I posted a couple of long messages this afternoon in response to suggestions posted. What did I miss?

Ants, did you mention ants?

Attitude, did you mention attitude? Of course not as it does not suit your purpose.

CrazyNeutrino said:

JTQ said:

I haven’t avoided answering any questions. I posted a couple of long messages this afternoon in response to suggestions posted. What did I miss?

You missed PermeateFree’s suspicious mind.

:)

I like to think that I am a reasonably logical person and the story given (even in the posters own words “does not make sense.” However what does make sense, is there was a bust-up probably over money. She tossed him out and kept his goods to ensure payment, which she has legal right to do.

PermeateFree said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

JTQ said:

I haven’t avoided answering any questions. I posted a couple of long messages this afternoon in response to suggestions posted. What did I miss?

You missed PermeateFree’s suspicious mind.

:)

I like to think that I am a reasonably logical person and the story given (even in the posters own words “does not make sense.” However what does make sense, is there was a bust-up probably over money. She tossed him out and kept his goods to ensure payment, which she has legal right to do.

We don’t know the full story, so its not really apt to guess.

CrazyNeutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

You missed PermeateFree’s suspicious mind.

:)

I like to think that I am a reasonably logical person and the story given (even in the posters own words “does not make sense.” However what does make sense, is there was a bust-up probably over money. She tossed him out and kept his goods to ensure payment, which she has legal right to do.

We don’t know the full story, so its not really apt to guess.

Are you telling me that this entire thread has been devoted to logical debate?

PermeateFree said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

I like to think that I am a reasonably logical person and the story given (even in the posters own words “does not make sense.” However what does make sense, is there was a bust-up probably over money. She tossed him out and kept his goods to ensure payment, which she has legal right to do.

We don’t know the full story, so its not really apt to guess.

Are you telling me that this entire thread has been devoted to logical debate?

I’m saying we don’t know the full story, only what has been said

it looks like she has fled off avoiding creditors and the landlord / real estate

CrazyNeutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

We don’t know the full story, so its not really apt to guess.

Are you telling me that this entire thread has been devoted to logical debate?

I’m saying we don’t know the full story, only what has been said

it looks like she has fled off avoiding creditors and the landlord / real estate

Presumably to avoid spending her money, yet leaves all her possessions and her pets in the house, and on top of that locks his stuff up in the garage. You would have to be very gullible to believe that.

PermeateFree said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

Are you telling me that this entire thread has been devoted to logical debate?

I’m saying we don’t know the full story, only what has been said

it looks like she has fled off avoiding creditors and the landlord / real estate

Presumably to avoid spending her money, yet leaves all her possessions and her pets in the house, and on top of that locks his stuff up in the garage. You would have to be very gullible to believe that.

I’d rather bang my head against a brick wall than argue over trivial points.

PermeateFree said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

JTQ said:

I haven’t avoided answering any questions. I posted a couple of long messages this afternoon in response to suggestions posted. What did I miss?

You missed PermeateFree’s suspicious mind.

:)

I like to think that I am a reasonably logical person and the story given (even in the posters own words “does not make sense.” However what does make sense, is there was a bust-up probably over money. She tossed him out and kept his goods to ensure payment, which she has legal right to do.

We broke up because I said that sometimes it seems like she doesn’t care. Instead of it sparking a discussion of why, her response was “When you get up in the morning, get out.”

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

You missed PermeateFree’s suspicious mind.

:)

I like to think that I am a reasonably logical person and the story given (even in the posters own words “does not make sense.” However what does make sense, is there was a bust-up probably over money. She tossed him out and kept his goods to ensure payment, which she has legal right to do.

We broke up because I said that sometimes it seems like she doesn’t care. Instead of it sparking a discussion of why, her response was “When you get up in the morning, get out.”

point proven…

PermeateFree said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

Are you telling me that this entire thread has been devoted to logical debate?

I’m saying we don’t know the full story, only what has been said

it looks like she has fled off avoiding creditors and the landlord / real estate

Presumably to avoid spending her money, yet leaves all her possessions and her pets in the house, and on top of that locks his stuff up in the garage. You would have to be very gullible to believe that.

Possibly. But what am I supposed to say then, because that’s what has happened.

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

You missed PermeateFree’s suspicious mind.

:)

I like to think that I am a reasonably logical person and the story given (even in the posters own words “does not make sense.” However what does make sense, is there was a bust-up probably over money. She tossed him out and kept his goods to ensure payment, which she has legal right to do.

We broke up because I said that sometimes it seems like she doesn’t care. Instead of it sparking a discussion of why, her response was “When you get up in the morning, get out.”

Which could relate to anything, but more likely a brewing discontent, of which your remark was the final straw.

PermeateFree said:

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

I like to think that I am a reasonably logical person and the story given (even in the posters own words “does not make sense.” However what does make sense, is there was a bust-up probably over money. She tossed him out and kept his goods to ensure payment, which she has legal right to do.

We broke up because I said that sometimes it seems like she doesn’t care. Instead of it sparking a discussion of why, her response was “When you get up in the morning, get out.”

Which could relate to anything, but more likely a brewing discontent, of which your remark was the final straw.

Yep. That’s what she has told me.

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I’m saying we don’t know the full story, only what has been said

it looks like she has fled off avoiding creditors and the landlord / real estate

Presumably to avoid spending her money, yet leaves all her possessions and her pets in the house, and on top of that locks his stuff up in the garage. You would have to be very gullible to believe that.

Possibly. But what am I supposed to say then, because that’s what has happened.

I would like to hear her side of the story. I bet it would be very different.

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

JTQ said:

We broke up because I said that sometimes it seems like she doesn’t care. Instead of it sparking a discussion of why, her response was “When you get up in the morning, get out.”

Which could relate to anything, but more likely a brewing discontent, of which your remark was the final straw.

Yep. That’s what she has told me.

What could have brought on and fostered this discontent, money perhaps?

PermeateFree said:

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

Presumably to avoid spending her money, yet leaves all her possessions and her pets in the house, and on top of that locks his stuff up in the garage. You would have to be very gullible to believe that.

Possibly. But what am I supposed to say then, because that’s what has happened.

I would like to hear her side of the story. I bet it would be very different.

Could believe that all you like, but I’m not hiding anything, it would be pointless of me to hide anything or skew the truth, as the responses here would not be helpful at all. I am posting what she has said as well and am happy to answer any questions if asked.

PermeateFree said:

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

Which could relate to anything, but more likely a brewing discontent, of which your remark was the final straw.

Yep. That’s what she has told me.

What could have brought on and fostered this discontent, money perhaps?

Or relationship problems haven’t been about money mainly, its just personality clashes. She called it “square pegs in round holes”, saying we just aren’t right for each other. We have broken up quite a few times before, but always eventually managed to sort things out. This time is different though, and we have both agreed we have had enough. She is not wanting to give me any more chances and I’m sick of being abused.

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

JTQ said:

Possibly. But what am I supposed to say then, because that’s what has happened.

I would like to hear her side of the story. I bet it would be very different.

Could believe that all you like, but I’m not hiding anything, it would be pointless of me to hide anything or skew the truth, as the responses here would not be helpful at all. I am posting what she has said as well and am happy to answer any questions if asked.

You have not answered the questions asked and appear to be only justifying yourself by condemning your ex.

PermeateFree said:

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

I would like to hear her side of the story. I bet it would be very different.

Could believe that all you like, but I’m not hiding anything, it would be pointless of me to hide anything or skew the truth, as the responses here would not be helpful at all. I am posting what she has said as well and am happy to answer any questions if asked.

You have not answered the questions asked and appear to be only justifying yourself by condemning your ex.

Really? I wasn’t aware that’s what I was doing. My apologies to you and my ex. Could you please re-post your questions in question and I’ll get right to it.

Actually I’ll get to it later tonight. .. everyone is here for my mum’s birthday and pizza has just arrived.

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

JTQ said:

Could believe that all you like, but I’m not hiding anything, it would be pointless of me to hide anything or skew the truth, as the responses here would not be helpful at all. I am posting what she has said as well and am happy to answer any questions if asked.

You have not answered the questions asked and appear to be only justifying yourself by condemning your ex.

Really? I wasn’t aware that’s what I was doing. My apologies to you and my ex. Could you please re-post your questions in question and I’ll get right to it.

Try reading the thread yourself and answer the questions asked by several people. You don’t because you would not like the answers.

PermeateFree said:

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

You have not answered the questions asked and appear to be only justifying yourself by condemning your ex.

Really? I wasn’t aware that’s what I was doing. My apologies to you and my ex. Could you please re-post your questions in question and I’ll get right to it.

Try reading the thread yourself and answer the questions asked by several people. You don’t because you would not like the answers.

I did exactly this earlier today…

JTQ said:

Actually I’ll get to it later tonight. .. everyone is here for my mum’s birthday and pizza has just arrived.

No need, just dry your eyes and do something constructive that will solve your emotional problems.

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

JTQ said:

Really? I wasn’t aware that’s what I was doing. My apologies to you and my ex. Could you please re-post your questions in question and I’ll get right to it.

Try reading the thread yourself and answer the questions asked by several people. You don’t because you would not like the answers.

I did exactly this earlier today…

You did no such thing, You only answered what you wanted to answer.

>>We have broken up quite a few times before, but always eventually managed to sort things out<<

I think you said somewhere that this relationship has been going since December. That’s only 8 months. Must have been rocky most of the time if you have managed to break up a few times in that interval.

JTQ, if you’re going to engage with a troll, I’d recommend Zarkov; he’s much less offensive. Unfortunately omegafour is no more, so unless you’re going to Launceston, your best bet is ignore them all.

Alex (Medical)

Howard beseiged during street walk
Friday, 2 November 2001

LAUNCESTON: Prime Minister John Howard launched his assault on marginal Tasmania yesterday but copped a verbal assault in return as he strode headlong into a fiery reaction from local residents.

Mr Howard opened his campaign to wrest Tasmania’s five seats from Labor with a walk through central Launceston, but was besieged with angry criticism on issues like health, education and the usually popular US-led war on terrorism.

Local scientist John Caley set the tone within moments of the Prime Minister’s arrival at a crowded mall. “When’s the war going to kill you?” he shouted, with Mr Howard momentarily lost for words.

“What I want to know is how come you’ve got us into this situation? Do you realise we’re now at war because of you?”

PermeateFree said:

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

Try reading the thread yourself and answer the questions asked by several people. You don’t because you would not like the answers.

I did exactly this earlier today…

You did no such thing, You only answered what you wanted to answer.

Bullshit. I read all posts up until that point and answered as many as I could remember, then I went back and read more and posted again. I answered the questions I saw and didn’t purposely leave out anything.

But hey, if you’re just going to accuse me of bullshit like this then just simply fuck off.

OCDC said:

JTQ, if you’re going to engage with a troll, I’d recommend Zarkov; he’s much less offensive. Unfortunately omegafour is no more, so unless you’re going to Launceston, your best bet is ignore them all.

Well I guess those pets locked up in the house of which you were so concerned about Alex are dead by now, or at least very close. Strange JTQ has done nothing to rectify the situation and is content to see them suffer, even when he has a key to the house.

And Alex I am not a troll or ever have been. Your problem is heard mentality.

buffy said:

>>We have broken up quite a few times before, but always eventually managed to sort things out<<

I think you said somewhere that this relationship has been going since December. That’s only 8 months. Must have been rocky most of the time if you have managed to break up a few times in that interval.

Yep. She seemed to take everything the worst possible way. Like one time I was staying in Melbourne and I didn’t contact her one night because I was busy working, but she took it that I was out with another girl, that was what she believed was the case.

PermeateFree said:

OCDC said:

JTQ, if you’re going to engage with a troll, I’d recommend Zarkov; he’s much less offensive. Unfortunately omegafour is no more, so unless you’re going to Launceston, your best bet is ignore them all.

Well I guess those pets locked up in the house of which you were so concerned about Alex are dead by now, or at least very close. Strange JTQ has done nothing to rectify the situation and is content to see them suffer, even when he has a key to the house.

And Alex I am not a troll or ever have been. Your problem is heard mentality.

Better than Hird mentality… you’d become an essendon supporter…

PermeateFree said:

OCDC said:

JTQ, if you’re going to engage with a troll, I’d recommend Zarkov; he’s much less offensive. Unfortunately omegafour is no more, so unless you’re going to Launceston, your best bet is ignore them all.

Well I guess those pets locked up in the house of which you were so concerned about Alex are dead by now, or at least very close. Strange JTQ has done nothing to rectify the situation and is content to see them suffer, even when he has a key to the house.

And Alex I am not a troll or ever have been. Your problem is heard mentality.

Oh wow… Yeah ok. Because I am so full of cash. As previously stated, I am 4 hours away from the house. I currently have no income and have no way of getting there until my tax return comes in early this week. She said she will get her parents to sorry out the animals as they live 4 houses down the road.

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

JTQ said:

I did exactly this earlier today…

You did no such thing, You only answered what you wanted to answer.

Bullshit. I read all posts up until that point and answered as many as I could remember, then I went back and read more and posted again. I answered the questions I saw and didn’t purposely leave out anything.

But hey, if you’re just going to accuse me of bullshit like this then just simply fuck off.

No I simply don’t believe you. You appear to be justifying your involvement, of which your ex wishes you would simply “fuck off” and get out of her life.

PermeateFree said:

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

You did no such thing, You only answered what you wanted to answer.

Bullshit. I read all posts up until that point and answered as many as I could remember, then I went back and read more and posted again. I answered the questions I saw and didn’t purposely leave out anything.

But hey, if you’re just going to accuse me of bullshit like this then just simply fuck off.

No I simply don’t believe you. You appear to be justifying your involvement, of which your ex wishes you would simply “fuck off” and get out of her life.

AND I AM OBLIGING! I am simply trying to get my things out of the house!

Why couldn’t cb88 write in the option of blocking specific posters?

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

JTQ said:

Bullshit. I read all posts up until that point and answered as many as I could remember, then I went back and read more and posted again. I answered the questions I saw and didn’t purposely leave out anything.

But hey, if you’re just going to accuse me of bullshit like this then just simply fuck off.

No I simply don’t believe you. You appear to be justifying your involvement, of which your ex wishes you would simply “fuck off” and get out of her life.

AND I AM OBLIGING! I am simply trying to get my things out of the house!

Then pay what you owe instead of making her take carry all the load.

JTQ said:

Why couldn’t cb88 write in the option of blocking specific posters?

Whinging individuals who cannot face up to their responsibilities I agree should be banned everywhere.

PermeateFree said:

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

No I simply don’t believe you. You appear to be justifying your involvement, of which your ex wishes you would simply “fuck off” and get out of her life.

AND I AM OBLIGING! I am simply trying to get my things out of the house!

Then pay what you owe instead of making her take carry all the load.

The point is, and has been, that she is denying me access to my own things. That’s the point of this thread. That’s all.

Ignoring your posts from now on. Stop wasting my time and fuck off.

PermeateFree said:

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

No I simply don’t believe you. You appear to be justifying your involvement, of which your ex wishes you would simply “fuck off” and get out of her life.

AND I AM OBLIGING! I am simply trying to get my things out of the house!

Then pay what you owe instead of making her take carry all the load.

The point is, and has been, that she is denying me access to my own things. That’s the point of this thread. That’s all.

Ignoring your posts from now on. Stop wasting my time and fuck off.

JTQ said:

Why couldn’t cb88 write in the option of blocking specific posters?

It’s pretty easy; just don’t click those posts. Works well for me.

OCDC said:

JTQ said:

Why couldn’t cb88 write in the option of blocking specific posters?

It’s pretty easy; just don’t click those posts. Works well for me.

Starting that right now.

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

JTQ said:

AND I AM OBLIGING! I am simply trying to get my things out of the house!

Then pay what you owe instead of making her take carry all the load.

The point is, and has been, that she is denying me access to my own things. That’s the point of this thread. That’s all.

Ignoring your posts from now on. Stop wasting my time and fuck off.

She is only denying access to your goods because you refuse to pay your share. Pay up and I am sure you will have them returned

OCDC said:

JTQ said:

Why couldn’t cb88 write in the option of blocking specific posters?

It’s pretty easy; just don’t click those posts. Works well for me.

Alex, I don’t care whether you click on my posts or not, but strange that you should think yours are so interesting that everyone would wish to click on yours.

JTQ said:

OCDC said:

JTQ said:

Why couldn’t cb88 write in the option of blocking specific posters?

It’s pretty easy; just don’t click those posts. Works well for me.

Starting that right now.

Nothing more distasteful than the truth, especially when it conflicts with your own opinion.

PermeateFree said:

JTQ said:

OCDC said:

It’s pretty easy; just don’t click those posts. Works well for me.

Starting that right now.

Nothing more distasteful than the truth, especially when it conflicts with your own opinion.

Speaking of which…

Have you got that El Nino sorted out yet?

stumpy_seahorse said:

PermeateFree said:

JTQ said:

Starting that right now.

Nothing more distasteful than the truth, especially when it conflicts with your own opinion.

Speaking of which…

Have you got that El Nino sorted out yet?

Yes thank you Stumpy, my word you do have a good memory……..how many years ago was that? Oh yes the good old days of morrie, BC and others.

She sounds like she’s a witch.

Peak Warming Man said:

She sounds like she’s a witch.

How do you know she is a witch? And what do you do with witches?

Peak Warming Man said:

She sounds like she’s a witch.

He sounds like a cad and a bounder.

Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

She sounds like she’s a witch.

How do you know she is a witch? And what do you do with witches?

She’s heavier than a duck, burn her burn her, burn burn burn………………

Peak Warming Man said:

Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

She sounds like she’s a witch.

How do you know she is a witch? And what do you do with witches?

She’s heavier than a duck, burn her burn her, burn burn burn………………

Lol :)

Where do her parents stand on the issue of you giving money in return for the key, would they give it you because they like you and think their daughter is not playing nice.

You could I suppose just turn up get into the garage as subtly as possible and take you stuff, unless she told the neighbours to call the police if you turn up they may just think you are collecting your stuff.

In WA at least you, should have as many rights and responsibilities as the lease holder as you have been living there for quite a while, that being said the real estate may send debt collectors just after her as she is the lease holder.

The pet thing is complicated, I would mention it to the RSPCA as it shows a complete disregard for the welfare of the animals, people have been charged for abandoning animals in similar circumstances.

I hope it all works out for you as it’s not a fun situation to be in

PermeateFree you are a bitter old cunt

Seems pretty simple to me…

• get legal advice asap on what you legally owe and what you are legally entitled to (don’t make any assumptions)
• act lawfully (don’t break into any locked buildings)
• start to make restitution for any monies owed
• be prepared for the fact that you may have to walk away from some things you feel your are owed or entitled to
• get an unaffected third party to mediate all communications between you and the ex

in these sorts of situation all you can do is control your behavior

kii said:

Oh, after rescuing the animals….do not communicate with her unless via a lawyer.

I hate to say it….she’s fucking nuts and nothing you say will change that. You can jump through hoops until you’re dead and it won’t make her happy. I know – I lived with someone like this a long time ago.

This one.

diddly-squat said:

Seems pretty simple to me…

• get legal advice asap on what you legally owe and what you are legally entitled to (don’t make any assumptions)
• act lawfully (don’t break into any locked buildings)
• start to make restitution for any monies owed
• be prepared for the fact that you may have to walk away from some things you feel your are owed or entitled to
• get an unaffected third party to mediate all communications between you and the ex

in these sorts of situation all you can do is control your behavior

Well summariSed. Add: DO SOMETHING ASAP ABOUT THE ANIMALS!!!!!

Speedy said:

kii said:

Oh, after rescuing the animals….do not communicate with her unless via a lawyer.

I hate to say it….she’s fucking nuts and nothing you say will change that. You can jump through hoops until you’re dead and it won’t make her happy. I know – I lived with someone like this a long time ago.

This one.

Yeah, sometimes I have to avoid the correct terminology of ‘mentally ill’ and just go with the fucking nuts label. It may have been because I was comparing her behaviour to the father of my sons (he is mentally ill AND fucking nuts)

kii said:

diddly-squat said:

Seems pretty simple to me…

• get legal advice asap on what you legally owe and what you are legally entitled to (don’t make any assumptions)
• act lawfully (don’t break into any locked buildings)
• start to make restitution for any monies owed
• be prepared for the fact that you may have to walk away from some things you feel your are owed or entitled to
• get an unaffected third party to mediate all communications between you and the ex

in these sorts of situation all you can do is control your behavior

Well summariSed. Add: DO SOMETHING ASAP ABOUT THE ANIMALS!!!!!

which would include getting the relevant legal advice.

If she locks them in the house, call the RSPCA, don’t go in after them yourself

the advice here from people to cut locks etc it just mindless nonsense that can only lead to more problems

kii said:

diddly-squat said:

Seems pretty simple to me…

• get legal advice asap on what you legally owe and what you are legally entitled to (don’t make any assumptions)
• act lawfully (don’t break into any locked buildings)
• start to make restitution for any monies owed
• be prepared for the fact that you may have to walk away from some things you feel your are owed or entitled to
• get an unaffected third party to mediate all communications between you and the ex

in these sorts of situation all you can do is control your behavior

Well summariSed. Add: DO SOMETHING ASAP ABOUT THE ANIMALS!!!!!

As far as I am aware its illegal for her to prevent JTQ from retrieving his belongings, the real estate agents can do this after a certain time period has elapsed but even they have to be careful how its done

Waiting around to get legal advice for the animals might be leaving it too late, especially for the puppy, could be too late now if her parents haven’t done anything for them. Her dysfunction comes from somewhere and the parents are a good place to look for a source. He has a key to the house.

Cymek said:

kii said:

diddly-squat said:

Seems pretty simple to me…

• get legal advice asap on what you legally owe and what you are legally entitled to (don’t make any assumptions)
• act lawfully (don’t break into any locked buildings)
• start to make restitution for any monies owed
• be prepared for the fact that you may have to walk away from some things you feel your are owed or entitled to
• get an unaffected third party to mediate all communications between you and the ex

in these sorts of situation all you can do is control your behavior

Well summariSed. Add: DO SOMETHING ASAP ABOUT THE ANIMALS!!!!!

As far as I am aware its illegal for her to prevent JTQ from retrieving his belongings, the real estate agents can do this after a certain time period has elapsed but even they have to be careful how its done

he is of course entitled to his belongings but if his name isn’t on the lease then he’s shit outta luck in terms of direct entry.

diddly-squat said:

Seems pretty simple to me…

• get legal advice asap on what you legally owe and what you are legally entitled to (don’t make any assumptions)
• act lawfully (don’t break into any locked buildings)
• start to make restitution for any monies owed
• be prepared for the fact that you may have to walk away from some things you feel your are owed or entitled to
• get an unaffected third party to mediate all communications between you and the ex

in these sorts of situation all you can do is control your behavior

Judge Judy used to tell people that all the time..

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

kii said:

Well summariSed. Add: DO SOMETHING ASAP ABOUT THE ANIMALS!!!!!

As far as I am aware its illegal for her to prevent JTQ from retrieving his belongings, the real estate agents can do this after a certain time period has elapsed but even they have to be careful how its done

he is of course entitled to his belongings but if his name isn’t on the lease then he’s shit outta luck in terms of direct entry.

He has a key though.
I suppose you could ring the local cops tell them the situation see what they say and if ask (a longshot maybe) they can met him there and get them to cut the padlock and note what he takes.

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

As far as I am aware its illegal for her to prevent JTQ from retrieving his belongings, the real estate agents can do this after a certain time period has elapsed but even they have to be careful how its done

he is of course entitled to his belongings but if his name isn’t on the lease then he’s shit outta luck in terms of direct entry.

He has a key though.
I suppose you could ring the local cops tell them the situation see what they say and if ask (a longshot maybe) they can met him there and get them to cut the padlock and note what he takes.

All up I would certainly recommend getting legal advice other than from random droogs on an internet forum. We ain’t lawyers or police or animal safety experts here.

dv said:

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

he is of course entitled to his belongings but if his name isn’t on the lease then he’s shit outta luck in terms of direct entry.

He has a key though.
I suppose you could ring the local cops tell them the situation see what they say and if ask (a longshot maybe) they can met him there and get them to cut the padlock and note what he takes.

All up I would certainly recommend getting legal advice other than from random droogs on an internet forum. We ain’t lawyers or police or animal safety experts here.

the title does ask for opinion

Arts said:

dv said:

Cymek said:

He has a key though.
I suppose you could ring the local cops tell them the situation see what they say and if ask (a longshot maybe) they can met him there and get them to cut the padlock and note what he takes.

All up I would certainly recommend getting legal advice other than from random droogs on an internet forum. We ain’t lawyers or police or animal safety experts here.

the title does ask for opinion

It does, and people have given their opinions kindly and honestly and in a spirit of friendship and community, and my opinion is that he should get some advice from cops and or RSPCA before doing anything.

dv said:

Arts said:

dv said:

All up I would certainly recommend getting legal advice other than from random droogs on an internet forum. We ain’t lawyers or police or animal safety experts here.

the title does ask for opinion

It does, and people have given their opinions kindly and honestly and in a spirit of friendship and community, and my opinion is that he should get some advice from cops and or RSPCA before doing anything.

I wholeheartedly agree and endorse this post and/or product

adding – I hope stuff works out well for all involved, JTQ

dv said:

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

he is of course entitled to his belongings but if his name isn’t on the lease then he’s shit outta luck in terms of direct entry.

He has a key though.
I suppose you could ring the local cops tell them the situation see what they say and if ask (a longshot maybe) they can met him there and get them to cut the padlock and note what he takes.

All up I would certainly recommend getting legal advice other than from random droogs on an internet forum. We ain’t lawyers or police or animal safety experts here.

Well not with formal qualifications as such, although Wookie has a lot of certificates, he could well be fully certified.

Morning/afternoon all

The house is 4 hours away from me and I was expecting my tax return to arrive by now so I could afford to get there. Turns out they’re printing my Notice of Assessment today and my refund will be in my account anytime in the next 14 days. So it could be 2 weeks before I can get there.

I have been told by her parents, and I spoke with her as well, she was there last night. I believe she is leaving today but not sure what time, or if she will hold off until tomorrow.

I spoke to the police (an ex-member and a current constable) who have both said that because she is no longer going to be living there and there is no intervention order in place, I have the right to go in and get my stuff from the house. But because the garage door is locked with a padlock and chain, I have to get the key from her parents… who are making things difficult for me as well.

So I’m hoping her parents will get the animals out quickly and send them into foster care, because it could easily be up to 2 weeks before I can get up there. Hopefully my stuff will still be there and not seized by the real estate agency.

All the best, JTQ.

Don’t listen to PermeateFree’s nastiness, I for one hope life gets better for you

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Cymek said:

He has a key though.
I suppose you could ring the local cops tell them the situation see what they say and if ask (a longshot maybe) they can met him there and get them to cut the padlock and note what he takes.

All up I would certainly recommend getting legal advice other than from random droogs on an internet forum. We ain’t lawyers or police or animal safety experts here.

Well not with formal qualifications as such, although Wookie has a lot of certificates, he could well be fully certified.

Good job

Cymek said:

Don’t listen to PermeateFree’s nastiness, I for one hope life gets better for you

Was it deleted?

>random droogs on an internet forum

no, yes, true, but i’m quite adept at wiping me own arse, though would add that it’s an art i’m still working on 47+ years later.

Speedy said:

Cymek said:

Don’t listen to PermeateFree’s nastiness, I for one hope life gets better for you

Was it deleted?

There’s two threads from a double posting. Makes for confusion.

I think you had better let the real estate agency know some of the stuff at the house is yours and not hers.

buffy said:

I think you had better let the real estate agency know some of the stuff at the house is yours and not hers.

Yes! In writing.

Plan for things to go wrong but do not expect them to.

Get the evidence together of the backstory. Establish that you were living there. You had documents from Centerlink stating that it was your address, correspondance letters, any bills, etc. You were giving money to her to pay rent? You have bank records or the like? probably not but if you have it is all documentation. She didn’t list you with the realestate company as living there, her fault. Realestate companies like multiple people on leases because then multiple people are responsible.

In my mind you would be best to establish that you are MOVING out, not moved out. That is you are being blocked from your possesions in the process of moving out, rather than someone is holding your possession in lieu of payment.

Now, having contructed the above argument you have a decision to make. Go get your stuff or go to third party to gain access to you stuff.

If you go get you stuff get it all at once. You said she has gone? Good. Go when she is not there if she is a problem. Don’t go alone, take several friends with you. Possibly loud friends. Cut the lock off the door with an angle grinder, this is the lock that you paid for at Mitre 10? You cut your lock off? at least that is what it seems from reading. People – her parents – might try to stop you or call the police. You should consider calling the police in this circumstance if the above argument holds that you are in the process of moving out and they have blocked access. Were you living there last week or last month, it could make a difference to your argument.

If you go to a third party try the Realestate company. Also try the police for advice. Establish your story, your possessions and documents or at least have the supporting documents. I imagine the realestate people wont be helpful and possible not the police. Tell them what you are going to do and ask for advice (do you have objections). If the police say it could be breaking and entering you may have a problem. Sometime better to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission?

Anyway all just thoughts. Relationship wise it is nearly always better in the long term to get a clean break than to have the breakup fester over one thing or another. I wish you well.

Cymek said:

Don’t listen to PermeateFree’s nastiness, I for one hope life gets better for you

If you believe this crap from JTQ, more fool you.

It sounds like his ex has not moved out, nor abandoned the pets; she just trying to avoid him.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

Don’t listen to PermeateFree’s nastiness, I for one hope life gets better for you

If you believe this crap from JTQ, more fool you.

It sounds like his ex has not moved out, nor abandoned the pets; she just trying to avoid him.

You obviously hold everyone here in contempt, you remind me of born again Christians so superior in your beliefs and turn every reasonable person off your point of view because of it.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

Don’t listen to PermeateFree’s nastiness, I for one hope life gets better for you

If you believe this crap from JTQ, more fool you.

It sounds like his ex has not moved out, nor abandoned the pets; she just trying to avoid him.

it sounds like you just want to argue

CrazyNeutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

Don’t listen to PermeateFree’s nastiness, I for one hope life gets better for you

If you believe this crap from JTQ, more fool you.

It sounds like his ex has not moved out, nor abandoned the pets; she just trying to avoid him.

it sounds like you just want to argue

Its not hard to believe some people would abandon animals and just because she is a women doesn’t exempt her from being a nasty person, I encounter the scum of society everyday through work and some people really aren’t very nice and are cruel just for the sake of it.

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

Don’t listen to PermeateFree’s nastiness, I for one hope life gets better for you

If you believe this crap from JTQ, more fool you.

It sounds like his ex has not moved out, nor abandoned the pets; she just trying to avoid him.

You obviously hold everyone here in contempt, you remind me of born again Christians so superior in your beliefs and turn every reasonable person off your point of view because of it.

I don’t know about holding everyone in contempt here, but I certainly do you. Why do you and others immediately and without question take the side of someone (you think) you know, against the available evidence and then go on to demonise who is most probably the victim? What is the matter with some of you people? Are you so without judgement that you are unable to see another side to the story?

Cymek said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

If you believe this crap from JTQ, more fool you.

It sounds like his ex has not moved out, nor abandoned the pets; she just trying to avoid him.

it sounds like you just want to argue

Its not hard to believe some people would abandon animals and just because she is a women doesn’t exempt her from being a nasty person, I encounter the scum of society everyday through work and some people really aren’t very nice and are cruel just for the sake of it.

Perhaps you see too many and think everyone is the same. From your perspective you have a very distorted view of the world.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

If you believe this crap from JTQ, more fool you.

It sounds like his ex has not moved out, nor abandoned the pets; she just trying to avoid him.

You obviously hold everyone here in contempt, you remind me of born again Christians so superior in your beliefs and turn every reasonable person off your point of view because of it.

I don’t know about holding everyone in contempt here, but I certainly do you. Why do you and others immediately and without question take the side of someone (you think) you know, against the available evidence and then go on to demonise who is most probably the victim? What is the matter with some of you people? Are you so without judgement that you are unable to see another side to the story?

But you are judging JTQ and saying he is a liar

if you are found abandoning pets or being cruel to them you have a sentence of 20 lashes spread out over two years say

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

it sounds like you just want to argue

Its not hard to believe some people would abandon animals and just because she is a women doesn’t exempt her from being a nasty person, I encounter the scum of society everyday through work and some people really aren’t very nice and are cruel just for the sake of it.

Perhaps you see too many and think everyone is the same. From your perspective you have a very distorted view of the world.

I try not and you do see great acts of kindness from one stranger to another, people on here have helped each other out and they don’t ask for anything in return. JTQ posted about things and people in his life that are distressing him and why would we immediately say “your a liar mate” and tell him to get lost.

you like beating up women and children?

that’s 50 lashes over 5 years

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

You obviously hold everyone here in contempt, you remind me of born again Christians so superior in your beliefs and turn every reasonable person off your point of view because of it.

I don’t know about holding everyone in contempt here, but I certainly do you. Why do you and others immediately and without question take the side of someone (you think) you know, against the available evidence and then go on to demonise who is most probably the victim? What is the matter with some of you people? Are you so without judgement that you are unable to see another side to the story?

But you are judging JTQ and saying he is a liar

And you are taking his side and ignoring the possible victim in this, his ex. My first post in this thread was non judgemental and purely pointed out the legal situation. I have considered JTQ’ position and found it wanting.

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

Its not hard to believe some people would abandon animals and just because she is a women doesn’t exempt her from being a nasty person, I encounter the scum of society everyday through work and some people really aren’t very nice and are cruel just for the sake of it.

Perhaps you see too many and think everyone is the same. From your perspective you have a very distorted view of the world.

I try not and you do see great acts of kindness from one stranger to another, people on here have helped each other out and they don’t ask for anything in return. JTQ posted about things and people in his life that are distressing him and why would we immediately say “your a liar mate” and tell him to get lost.

I did not immediately call him a liar or tell him to get lost, but the more you find out about his story, the more unlikely his version is the truth, and more likely it is concocted to make him look innocent, whilst his ex is a bitch and totally to blame.