Watch humanity ruin the oceans: Nasa animation shows how vast ‘garbage islands’ have taken over the seas in the last 35 years

World’s waste congregates into five ‘garbage islands’ that swirl around the planet’s major ocean gyres These are in the Indian Ocean, the north and south of the Pacific, and north and south Atlantic Ocean Nasa’s created the animation using data from floating, scientific buoys to map the movement of plastic 8 million tons of plastic bottles, bags, toys and other plastic rubbish ends up in the oceans each year

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Perhaps whats needed is the manufacturers of the rubbish are identified (of possible), the world courts threatens to fine them large amounts of money if they don’t clean up the mess, if fined the money is used to create an industry that cleans up the mess.

Alternatively the nations who dump the waste (again if possible to identify them) get the same deal.

Or third all members of the UN step up and clean the mess up because its the right thing to do

You call it a rubbish dump. I call it a hatchery.

Without mid-ocean rubbish dumps, Europe wouldn’t have any eels.

mollwollfumble said:

You call it a rubbish dump. I call it a hatchery.

Without mid-ocean rubbish dumps, Europe wouldn’t have any eels.

Is that normal though or are they some invader species

What we still don’t know is how many fish turtles etc are dying because of consumed plastic

plastic gets eaten which then blocks their stomachs and then they slowly stave to death

CrazyNeutrino said:

What we still don’t know is how many fish turtles etc are dying because of consumed plastic

plastic gets eaten which then blocks their stomachs and then they slowly stave to death

Yeah its a bit crap isn’t it

plastic needs to be burnt, not allowed to escape to the ocean

i’d get of landfill, you’re just creating toxic dumps

burn all rubbish and solids from the sewerage system

maybe what you really need is a revamp of what plastics you can use

if its not biodegradable in a short time (perhaps months), it isn’t allowed to be sold

if its PET bottles it just gets burnt – don’t bother recycling

it would be cheaper to just burn all rubbish instead of insisting on recycling

just stop making glass containers (they don’t burn well)

wookiemeister said:

maybe what you really need is a revamp of what plastics you can use

if its not biodegradable in a short time (perhaps months), it isn’t allowed to be sold

if its PET bottles it just gets burnt – don’t bother recycling

it would be cheaper to just burn all rubbish instead of insisting on recycling

just stop making glass containers (they don’t burn well)

Yes but glass is reusable I use jars for pickling fruit and vegetables

wookiemeister said:

plastic needs to be burnt, not allowed to escape to the ocean

i’d get of landfill, you’re just creating toxic dumps

burn all rubbish and solids from the sewerage system

not burnt – recycled

Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

maybe what you really need is a revamp of what plastics you can use

if its not biodegradable in a short time (perhaps months), it isn’t allowed to be sold

if its PET bottles it just gets burnt – don’t bother recycling

it would be cheaper to just burn all rubbish instead of insisting on recycling

just stop making glass containers (they don’t burn well)

Yes but glass is reusable I use jars for pickling fruit and vegetables

its more trouble than its worth

30 years ago perhaps

now its a matter of triage

the way now is to get immediate results regardless of the “waste”

burn rubbish, make rubbish burnable

have one bin to take all rubbish away, a big bin – burn it all and generate energy to power the system

burn all solids in the sewerage system – don’t allow any water from the sewerage into rivers or ocean

its counter intuitive but its a hard and fast way to clean the environment quickly and cheaply with only a bit of CO2 as a byproduct (and H2O)

CrazyNeutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

plastic needs to be burnt, not allowed to escape to the ocean

i’d get of landfill, you’re just creating toxic dumps

burn all rubbish and solids from the sewerage system

not burnt – recycled

forget it – we are past that point, we are adding new people into the system and thus new rubbish faster than we can afford to deal with it

Australia has a half a trillion dollar government debt – its too late to recycle any more – that could come later.

if we start recycling now we are just polishing brass on the titanic

wookiemeister said:

Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

maybe what you really need is a revamp of what plastics you can use

if its not biodegradable in a short time (perhaps months), it isn’t allowed to be sold

if its PET bottles it just gets burnt – don’t bother recycling

it would be cheaper to just burn all rubbish instead of insisting on recycling

just stop making glass containers (they don’t burn well)

Yes but glass is reusable I use jars for pickling fruit and vegetables

its more trouble than its worth

30 years ago perhaps

now its a matter of triage

the way now is to get immediate results regardless of the “waste”

burn rubbish, make rubbish burnable

have one bin to take all rubbish away, a big bin – burn it all and generate energy to power the system

burn all solids in the sewerage system – don’t allow any water from the sewerage into rivers or ocean

its counter intuitive but its a hard and fast way to clean the environment quickly and cheaply with only a bit of CO2 as a byproduct (and H2O)

burn rubbish, make rubbish burnable

recycling is much better for the environment

and is more efficient

CrazyNeutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

Cymek said:

Yes but glass is reusable I use jars for pickling fruit and vegetables

its more trouble than its worth

30 years ago perhaps

now its a matter of triage

the way now is to get immediate results regardless of the “waste”

burn rubbish, make rubbish burnable

have one bin to take all rubbish away, a big bin – burn it all and generate energy to power the system

burn all solids in the sewerage system – don’t allow any water from the sewerage into rivers or ocean

its counter intuitive but its a hard and fast way to clean the environment quickly and cheaply with only a bit of CO2 as a byproduct (and H2O)

burn rubbish, make rubbish burnable

recycling is much better for the environment

and is more efficient

i’m saying we don’t have any more money or time to get results

the whole thing has moved into another stage

we start spending billions of dollars of trying to recycle this stuff, it takes time and meanwhile the problem gets worse

its a slash and burn approach to try and rebalance the equation now

if you’d asked me a few years ago – sure recycling is good

we don’t have any more time or money now, Australia is in serious debt and we want to spend 93 billion on having faster you tube whilst everything goes to pot

wookiemeister said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

its more trouble than its worth

30 years ago perhaps

now its a matter of triage

the way now is to get immediate results regardless of the “waste”

burn rubbish, make rubbish burnable

have one bin to take all rubbish away, a big bin – burn it all and generate energy to power the system

burn all solids in the sewerage system – don’t allow any water from the sewerage into rivers or ocean

its counter intuitive but its a hard and fast way to clean the environment quickly and cheaply with only a bit of CO2 as a byproduct (and H2O)

burn rubbish, make rubbish burnable

recycling is much better for the environment

and is more efficient

i’m saying we don’t have any more money or time to get results

I don’t know if the human race is mature enough to sacrifice for the future unborn.
Perhaps our nature means the vast majority take and don’t give or less cynical the 1%ers greed is the cause of most of it and the entire status quo of the world needs changing

wookiemeister said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

plastic needs to be burnt, not allowed to escape to the ocean

i’d get of landfill, you’re just creating toxic dumps

burn all rubbish and solids from the sewerage system

not burnt – recycled

forget it – we are past that point, we are adding new people into the system and thus new rubbish faster than we can afford to deal with it

Australia has a half a trillion dollar government debt – its too late to recycle any more – that could come later.

if we start recycling now we are just polishing brass on the titanic

so if you burn all that plastic

what gets released into the atmosphere?

thousands of tons of plastic

wookiemeister said:

Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

maybe what you really need is a revamp of what plastics you can use

if its not biodegradable in a short time (perhaps months), it isn’t allowed to be sold

if its PET bottles it just gets burnt – don’t bother recycling

it would be cheaper to just burn all rubbish instead of insisting on recycling

just stop making glass containers (they don’t burn well)

Yes but glass is reusable I use jars for pickling fruit and vegetables

its more trouble than its worth

30 years ago perhaps

now its a matter of triage

the way now is to get immediate results regardless of the “waste”

burn rubbish, make rubbish burnable

have one bin to take all rubbish away, a big bin – burn it all and generate energy to power the system

burn all solids in the sewerage system – don’t allow any water from the sewerage into rivers or ocean

its counter intuitive but its a hard and fast way to clean the environment quickly and cheaply with only a bit of CO2 as a byproduct (and H2O)

Have you ever breathed in the fumes from burning plastic Wookie? I have and it smells like there it a lot more than just CO2 and H2O being given off.

Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

burn rubbish, make rubbish burnable

recycling is much better for the environment

and is more efficient

i’m saying we don’t have any more money or time to get results

I don’t know if the human race is mature enough to sacrifice for the future unborn.
Perhaps our nature means the vast majority take and don’t give or less cynical the 1%ers greed is the cause of most of it and the entire status quo of the world needs changing

I think everyone could live like a prince if things were organised differently

that’s not going to happen

we don’t try to live in squalor because the rest of the world does

in lebannon right now there are riots right now because of rubbish collection

in gaza they have had dam walls collapse and allow shit to flow every where

CrazyNeutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

not burnt – recycled

forget it – we are past that point, we are adding new people into the system and thus new rubbish faster than we can afford to deal with it

Australia has a half a trillion dollar government debt – its too late to recycle any more – that could come later.

if we start recycling now we are just polishing brass on the titanic

so if you burn all that plastic

what gets released into the atmosphere?

thousands of tons of plastic

no

at the right temperature and pressure plastics can be burnt safely without releasing poisons or plastic

it all turns into CO2 and H2O believe it not

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

Cymek said:

Yes but glass is reusable I use jars for pickling fruit and vegetables

its more trouble than its worth

30 years ago perhaps

now its a matter of triage

the way now is to get immediate results regardless of the “waste”

burn rubbish, make rubbish burnable

have one bin to take all rubbish away, a big bin – burn it all and generate energy to power the system

burn all solids in the sewerage system – don’t allow any water from the sewerage into rivers or ocean

its counter intuitive but its a hard and fast way to clean the environment quickly and cheaply with only a bit of CO2 as a byproduct (and H2O)

Have you ever breathed in the fumes from burning plastic Wookie? I have and it smells like there it a lot more than just CO2 and H2O being given off.

yes but in a true industrial process dedicated to burning it efficiently you’ll only have CO2 and H2O

I know its counter intuitive but just stop for a think about it

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

its more trouble than its worth

30 years ago perhaps

now its a matter of triage

the way now is to get immediate results regardless of the “waste”

burn rubbish, make rubbish burnable

have one bin to take all rubbish away, a big bin – burn it all and generate energy to power the system

burn all solids in the sewerage system – don’t allow any water from the sewerage into rivers or ocean

its counter intuitive but its a hard and fast way to clean the environment quickly and cheaply with only a bit of CO2 as a byproduct (and H2O)

Have you ever breathed in the fumes from burning plastic Wookie? I have and it smells like there it a lot more than just CO2 and H2O being given off.

yes but in a true industrial process dedicated to burning it efficiently you’ll only have CO2 and H2O

I know its counter intuitive but just stop for a think about it

Strange then how they can remove all the harmful fumes from burning plastic, but still not remove the co2. Any explanation?

Could deep underground storage of waste work or would the risk be it leaks into water tables,etc how far down would you need to store it assure it can break down safely over centuries

you could probably treat asbestos products with HF acid rather than creating time bombs where they might be dug again

sometimes the fastest way to point B is the shortest way

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

Have you ever breathed in the fumes from burning plastic Wookie? I have and it smells like there it a lot more than just CO2 and H2O being given off.

yes but in a true industrial process dedicated to burning it efficiently you’ll only have CO2 and H2O

I know its counter intuitive but just stop for a think about it

Strange then how they can remove all the harmful fumes from burning plastic, but still not remove the co2. Any explanation?

you don’t bother removing the CO2

Cymek said:

Could deep underground storage of waste work or would the risk be it leaks into water tables,etc how far down would you need to store it assure it can break down safely over centuries

waste of time

yes I think it has the potential of biting us on the arse

burn it all

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

yes but in a true industrial process dedicated to burning it efficiently you’ll only have CO2 and H2O

I know its counter intuitive but just stop for a think about it

Strange then how they can remove all the harmful fumes from burning plastic, but still not remove the co2. Any explanation?

you don’t bother removing the CO2

I gathered that, but why, considering co2 is a harmful greenhouse gas that is adding to global warming?

it uses less energy to transport non recyclable waste

1 garbage truck to 1 residence only

less wages

less diesel used in collection

the heat of the burning process is used to produce power that can be used by the plant and supply power to the grid

no more human waste from the toilet gets dumped into the ocean

crap is processed and burnt, the liquid part is treated and returned to the water system

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

Strange then how they can remove all the harmful fumes from burning plastic, but still not remove the co2. Any explanation?

you don’t bother removing the CO2

I gathered that, but why, considering co2 is a harmful greenhouse gas that is adding to global warming?

you stop burning coal to offset the burning of rubbish if need be

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

you don’t bother removing the CO2

I gathered that, but why, considering co2 is a harmful greenhouse gas that is adding to global warming?

you stop burning coal to offset the burning of rubbish if need be

Ahhh, I see.

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

you don’t bother removing the CO2

I gathered that, but why, considering co2 is a harmful greenhouse gas that is adding to global warming?

you stop burning coal to offset the burning of rubbish if need be

Surely rubbish doesn’t have the same stored energy content as coal

Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

I gathered that, but why, considering co2 is a harmful greenhouse gas that is adding to global warming?

you stop burning coal to offset the burning of rubbish if need be

Surely rubbish doesn’t have the same stored energy content as coal

it doesn’t

you could always not add 300,000 – 500,000 arrivals a year to the process here

stop the mass immigration and gain control of the process, its being driven by property developers, real estate agents and land owners/ speculators

good for them

bad for us because we have to pay for it all

don’t worry

i’ll put this all in my manifesto before the next election

wookiemeister said:

don’t worry

i’ll put this all in my manifesto before the next election

It will out sell the bible I bet for words of wisdom

wookiemeister said:

don’t worry

i’ll put this all in my manifesto before the next election