where or of what would you start.

transition said:

where or of what would you start.

well if you need a comparison you have to start with something you want to compare.

>well if you need a comparison you have to start with something you want to compare.

as it says up top there, i’m interested in what it can’t do

I mean anything too that might function as a comparator (in the broadest possible sense).

transition said:

>well if you need a comparison you have to start with something you want to compare.

as it says up top there, i’m interested in what it can’t do

it cannot compare if there is nothing to compare. It doesn’t compute to compare nothing.

>it cannot compare if there is nothing to compare. It doesn’t compute to compare nothing.

Doesn’t your mind’s activity constantly involve comparisons.

transition said:

I mean anything too that might function as a comparator (in the broadest possible sense).

again, that needs two but it cannot compare one without the other.

transition said:

>it cannot compare if there is nothing to compare. It doesn’t compute to compare nothing.

Doesn’t your mind’s activity constantly involve comparisons.

Oh yes but your mind also knows and loves inactivity.

>Oh yes but your mind also knows and loves inactivity.

keeping with wakeful activity, ignoring the zen or whatever for a moment.

is it possible to think and write three words without some sort of comparative activity, or even conjur a single word with associated word-concept

anyway, most of the universe i’d expect exists without comparison like brains do (maybe)

what would the most rudimentary thing be in nature (excluding organic life) than performs something like a comparator.

transition said:

>Oh yes but your mind also knows and loves inactivity.

keeping with wakeful activity, ignoring the zen or whatever for a moment.

is it possible to think and write three words without some sort of comparative activity, or even conjur a single word with associated word-concept

A lot of people use single syllables and often without comparing it.. Tony Abbott is one.

transition said:

anyway, most of the universe i’d expect exists without comparison like brains do (maybe)

what would the most rudimentary thing be in nature (excluding organic life) than performs something like a comparator.

Now that would be in the geology rocks department. Perhaps those rocks that show which way they are aligned by magnetic orientation?

Anyway, stop keeping me awake. I was hoping maybe I could get another couple of hours kip in. Have a big day to do after the sun gets up.

>…aligned by magnetic orientation?”

was thinking gravity might be involved.

You have to admit, you are on a rock hunt.

Your rock or mine?

transition said:

I mean anything too that might function as a comparator (in the broadest possible sense).

I’m so use to using comparison for everything that it hadn’t occurred to me that there may be some things that comparison can’t do. Let me give some examples of what comparison can do.

1) We obtain information about the world through the senses: sight, sound, smell, taste, touch etc. So you may wonder how it is possible to compare, for example, a sound to a smell. But because sounds and smells are mapped to the brain in a similar way, they can be directly compared.

2) I’ve been doing some work on the mathematics of different types of infinity. You may think that infinity is so big that it’s impossible to compare it to anything. Not so. I’ve been able to show that the “surreal numbers” of Conway is a subset of the “hyperreal numbers” of Robinson, that the cardinal numbers of Cantor (aleph null etc.) is a subset of Laurent series, which is a subset of Transseries and logarithmico-exponential numbers, which is a subset of Hahn series. etc.

3) I’m reading a book called “the meaning of life” which includes direct comparisons between internal psychological concepts and funny photographs of animals.

That said, there have always been artists (including composers) who have had the ability to shock by developing something completely new, that is nothing like anything that has been seen before.

>1) We obtain information about the world through the senses: sight, sound, smell, taste, touch etc. So you may wonder how it is possible to compare, for example, a sound to a smell. But because sounds and smells are mapped to the brain in a similar way, they can be directly compared.

Lot of the senses, or sense processing have evolved with corresponding (parallel, simultaneous) inputs – correspondence, which gives validity to experience), anomalies too are important (resolving them also).

>2) I’ve been doing some work on the mathematics of different types of infinity. You may think that infinity is so big that it’s impossible to compare it to anything. Not so. I’ve been able to show that the “surreal numbers” of Conway is a subset of the “hyperreal numbers” of Robinson, that the cardinal numbers of Cantor (aleph null etc.) is a subset of Laurent series, which is a subset of Transseries and logarithmico-exponential numbers, which is a subset of Hahn series. etc

I’d have to consult wikipedia, be prepared for a mortifying headache, followed by prozac for two months afterward. Still the qualities of such like infinity and one both interest me

mollwollfumble said:

That said, there have always been artists (including composers) who have had the ability to shock by developing something completely new, that is nothing like anything that has been seen before.

They can only do this if they have total recall of everything they have heard.

Something new, from music? How many notes on a piano?

The people thought starship trooper was something entirely new but the band members of Yes will admit that it is the theme to Bonanza done in a slightly different way.

>Something new, from music?

The possibilities are effectively endless.

roughbarked said:

The people thought starship trooper was something entirely new but the band members of Yes will admit that it is the theme to Bonanza done in a slightly different way.

Next you’ll be telling me that Led Zepplin got most of there stuff from other people as well.

Bubblecar said:

>Something new, from music?

The possibilities are effectively endless.

Almost infinite?

One thing that comparison can’t do is compare the incomparable.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The people thought starship trooper was something entirely new but the band members of Yes will admit that it is the theme to Bonanza done in a slightly different way.

Next you’ll be telling me that Led Zepplin got most of there stuff from other people as well.

Ha ha. ;)

The Rev Dodgson said:

One thing that comparison can’t do is compare the incomparable.

That is what I said in the beginning. If there is nothing that can compare or if there is nothing to compare with.. it is all incomparable.

Comparison by itself cannot bake lasagna.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/26/female-genital-mutilation-is-alive-in-australia-its-just-called-labiaplasty

Female genital mutilation is alive in Australia. It’s just called labiaplasty

dv said:

Comparison by itself cannot bake lasagna.

that is perhaps overcooked but yes, true all the same.

dv said:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/26/female-genital-mutilation-is-alive-in-australia-its-just-called-labiaplasty

Female genital mutilation is alive in Australia. It’s just called labiaplasty

How many labiaplastys involve removing the clitoris and stitching up the vagina and performed on infants and schoolgirls?

AwesomeO said:

dv said:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/26/female-genital-mutilation-is-alive-in-australia-its-just-called-labiaplasty

Female genital mutilation is alive in Australia. It’s just called labiaplasty

How many labiaplastys involve removing the clitoris and stitching up the vagina and performed on infants and schoolgirls?

eleven?…

That’s something comparison cannot do

stumpy_seahorse said:

AwesomeO said:

dv said:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/26/female-genital-mutilation-is-alive-in-australia-its-just-called-labiaplasty

Female genital mutilation is alive in Australia. It’s just called labiaplasty

How many labiaplastys involve removing the clitoris and stitching up the vagina and performed on infants and schoolgirls?

eleven?…

I would think none.

dv said:

That’s something comparison cannot do

Why?

what is the comparison between how a stitched up vagina or even a clitoris removed vagina and those that are untouched behaves?

AwesomeO said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

AwesomeO said:

How many labiaplastys involve removing the clitoris and stitching up the vagina and performed on infants and schoolgirls?

eleven?…

I would think none.

in this country? How do you even know? In other countries .. again.

Well I am not here to defend Van Badham’s comments. My point was to give an example of an unhelpful comparison.

dv said:

Well I am not here to defend Van Badham’s comments. My point was to give an example of an unhelpful comparison.

As you did. ;)

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

eleven?…

I would think none.

in this country? How do you even know? In other countries .. again.

Because I expect any doctor performing a labiaplasty which involves those procedures on those ages would be found out and struck off. I am not discounting a rogue doctor though.

dv said:

Comparison by itself cannot bake lasagna.

You could compare:

“ Go hang a salami, I’m a lasagna hog”

with its reverse.

But it wouldn’t get you very far.

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

I would think none.

in this country? How do you even know? In other countries .. again.

Because I expect any doctor performing a labiaplasty which involves those procedures on those ages would be found out and struck off. I am not discounting a rogue doctor though.

There are as you noted, those rogues. Who by the way are often taken into the courts. However there will always be those who are never caught.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Comparison by itself cannot bake lasagna.

You could compare:

“ Go hang a salami, I’m a lasagna hog”

with its reverse.

But it wouldn’t get you very far.

En ga land swings like a pendulum do.

I think humans are busy little comparers, very busy, discerning all the time, even biological evolution (competition) between organisms of same and different species might be said to impose performance comparisons, and cultural evolution too no doubt.

Still most of the universe exists, it seems, without it, and a good part of many creatures days go by without (to much of) such impositions.

And of modern conscious man, who on many occasions every day hasn’t put the brakes on where comparison might wander.