Date: 28/08/2015 10:17:45
From: dv
ID: 767749
Subject: Psychology's replication problem

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/psychology-is-starting-to-deal-with-its-replication-problem/
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The project, spearheaded by the Open Science Collaboration, aimed to replicate 100 studies published in three high-profile psychology journals during 2008. The idea arose amid a growing concern that psychology has a false-positive problem: In recent years, important findings in the field have been called into question when follow-up studies failed to replicate them, hinting that the original studies may have mistaken spurious effects for real ones.

“The idea was to see whether there was a reproducibility problem, and if so, to stimulate efforts to address it,” project leader Brian Nosek told me. In total, 270 co-authors and 86 volunteers contributed to the effort.

This wasn’t a game of “gotcha.” “Failing to replicate does not mean that the original study was wrong or even flawed,” Nosek told me, and the objective here wasn’t to overturn anyone’s results or call out particular studies. The project was designed to conduct fair and direct replications, Nosek said. “Before we began, we tried to define a protocol to follow so that we could be confident that every replication we did had a fair chance of success.” Before embarking on their studies, replicators contacted the original authors and asked them to share their study designs and materials. Almost all complied.

Researchers who conducted the replication studies also asked the original authors to scrutinize the replication plan and provide feedback, and they registered their protocols in advance, publicly sharing their study designs and analysis strategies. “Most of the original authors were open and receptive,” project coordinator Mallory Kidwell told me.

Despite this careful planning, less than half of the replication studies reproduced the original results. While 97 percent of the original studies produced results with a “statistically significant” p-value of 0.05 or less,1 only 36 percent of the replication studies did the same. The mean effect sizes in the replicated results were less than half those of the original results, and 83 percent of the replicated effects were smaller than the original estimates.

These replication studies can’t explain why any particular finding was not reproduced, but there are three general possibilities, Nosek said. The originally reported result could have been a false positive, the replication attempt may have produced a false negative (failing to find an effect where one does exist), or the original study and the replication could both be correct but arrive at disparate results because of differences in methodology or conditions that weren’t apparent.

The best predictor of replication success, Nosek told me, was the strength of the original evidence, as measured by factors such as the p-value. Yes, the p-value — that notoriously misleading statistic. This study suggests that p-values can provide useful information, Nosek said. “If it was good for nothing, it wouldn’t have shown any predictive value at all for reproducibility.”

At the same time, this project’s results serve as a stark reminder that the 0.05 threshold for p-values is arbitrary. “What it suggests is that when we get a p-value of 0.04, we should be more skeptical than when we get a lower value,” Nosek said.
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Date: 28/08/2015 10:23:28
From: sibeen
ID: 767751
Subject: re: Psychology's replication problem

dv said:

“What it suggests is that when we get a p-value of 0.04, we should be more skeptical than when we get a lower value,” Nosek said.

These papers on the bloody obvious are coming through thick and fast :)

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Date: 28/08/2015 13:36:09
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 767855
Subject: re: Psychology's replication problem

At the core of human behavior is a sensing elecro-chemical body that interacts with its environment

its time for Psychology to change and start researching the gap that exists between human emotions/ behavior and chemicals in the body

at some point in the future Psychology will have to embrace biology and chemistry to help understand the human bodies chemical relationship with behavior

endless theories of which a lot cannot be verified is only adding to the problem

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Date: 28/08/2015 13:39:29
From: Cymek
ID: 767857
Subject: re: Psychology's replication problem

CrazyNeutrino said:


At the core of human behavior is a sensing elecro-chemical body that interacts with its environment

its time for Psychology to change and start researching the gap that exists between human emotions/ behavior and chemicals in the body

at some point in the future Psychology will have to embrace biology and chemistry to help understand the human bodies chemical relationship with behavior

endless theories of which a lot cannot be verified is only adding to the problem

Doesn’t psychiatry do some of the above

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Date: 28/08/2015 13:52:34
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 767863
Subject: re: Psychology's replication problem

Cymek said:


CrazyNeutrino said:

At the core of human behavior is a sensing elecro-chemical body that interacts with its environment

its time for Psychology to change and start researching the gap that exists between human emotions/ behavior and chemicals in the body

at some point in the future Psychology will have to embrace biology and chemistry to help understand the human bodies chemical relationship with behavior

endless theories of which a lot cannot be verified is only adding to the problem

Doesn’t psychiatry do some of the above

Yes, that how medications are developed by researching chemicals in the brain and body

My psychiatrist accepts that the human body is made up of chemicals etc

but for a lot of psychologists, they dont have that medical training which makes doctors more aware of the chemical relationship that going on

so for many psychologists it must be really hard trying to understand their profession

some appear to be grasping at straws or guessing

and it seems many psychologists dont have a validation process in place

thats why there is such a high rate of failure

When 100 past studies were replicated, only 39 percent yielded the same results

They need some kind of peer review, replication / validation process

just like science

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Date: 28/08/2015 13:56:02
From: Cymek
ID: 767864
Subject: re: Psychology's replication problem

CrazyNeutrino said:


Cymek said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

At the core of human behavior is a sensing elecro-chemical body that interacts with its environment

its time for Psychology to change and start researching the gap that exists between human emotions/ behavior and chemicals in the body

at some point in the future Psychology will have to embrace biology and chemistry to help understand the human bodies chemical relationship with behavior

endless theories of which a lot cannot be verified is only adding to the problem

Doesn’t psychiatry do some of the above

Yes, that how medications are developed by researching chemicals in the brain and body

My psychiatrist accepts that the human body is made up of chemicals etc

but for a lot of psychologists, they dont have that medical training which makes doctors more aware of the chemical relationship that going on

so for many psychologists it must be really hard trying to understand their profession

some appear to be grasping at straws or guessing

and it seems many psychologists dont have a validation process in place

thats why there is such a high rate of failure

When 100 past studies were replicated, only 39 percent yielded the same results

They need some kind of peer review, replication / validation process

just like science

I suppose with psychology is has limitations you can help your patient along but can’t change most aspects of their lives some of which may be the reason they come to see you in the first place, ie unhappy homelife, work, two of which may not be easy to fix

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Date: 1/09/2015 04:40:47
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 769574
Subject: re: Psychology's replication problem

> Despite this careful planning, less than half of the replication studies reproduced the original results. While 97 percent of the original studies produced results with a “statistically significant” p-value of 0.05 or less, only 36 percent of the replication studies did the same.

Oh dear. I’m exceedingly glad that this replication work has been done.

I’m on record as saying that in physics, anything with a sigma value less than 2.5 should never be published, with a sigma value of 3 is just acceptable. A sigma level of 3.5 is good. Those correspond in turn to p-values of 0.0062, 0.0013, 0.0002. To a physicist, a p-value of 0.05 is ROFL or, more realistically, beyond a joke.

I’m also on record as saying that using questionnaires is psychology experiments is hopeless, and that every such questionnaire should end with a question “did we ask the right questions?”. Further, the standard trick in psychology experiments of asking the experimenter to lie to the participants and then expecting the participants to be honest with the experimenter is fundamentally flawed. Even further, the unbalanced selection of participants for many psychology experiments leads to a very biased result.

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Date: 6/09/2015 03:08:32
From: Bubblecar
ID: 771647
Subject: re: Psychology's replication problem

Psychology Is Not in Crisis? Depends on What You Mean by “Crisis”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-earp/psychology-is-not-in-crisis_b_8077522.html?ir=Australia

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Date: 6/09/2015 09:03:13
From: dv
ID: 771663
Subject: re: Psychology's replication problem

Bubblecar said:


Psychology Is Not in Crisis? Depends on What You Mean by “Crisis”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-earp/psychology-is-not-in-crisis_b_8077522.html?ir=Australia

Nice piece

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