Australia has no industrial capacity to speak of and what is left is closing down

fast communications are only really needed by countries / companies that have large data demands in the process of MAKING MONEY

farmers only need to have reasonably fast speeds to sell animals for market – look for better farming techniques

mining companies have their own communication systems they don’t rely on our communication networks as much and also do not need ultrafast communications – after all all they are only digging minerals out the ground, if they need a part fast they would just use a satellite phone

the only business that need ultrafast communications would be banking, stockmarkets etc

if you needed the access to this ultrafast network you would most likely live and work close to them in the CBD where the banks and law courts were

given that Australia is already deep in debt governmental and otherwise and we don’t need a fast comms network by virtue that other people elsewhere can do our job faster and cheaper than us (or be brought in under the free trade agreement), it is delusional to think that an NBN will do anything for us except grow the debt we will all (excluding the rich) be paid to pay for the next century.

Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

some people are telling us that to be part of the future we need NBN – its a cargo cult

if you don’t actually produce anything industrially you don’t need an NBN

as all work requiring comms is being shifted overseas you don’t need the fast comms needed by these countries tat have people using it to make money

Australia will not be making any money from the NBN

Even if we don’t want about the future of the Internet, we become more data hungry all the time, we can’t even stream HD content properly and imagine when/if VR becomes a reality and Australia’s network can’t handle it.
Perhaps Australia could get into data crunching, large scale science projects,etc, we are in a prime position for it in the Southern Hemisphere.

if the unemployed cant get fast internet – so what

get as data hungry as you want if no one is actually getting money from another country in trade in large quantities for a given population here we are doomed

spending more money now will only make things worse, if it takes us more time to download a movie so what

we don’t need fast communications because we don’t make any money from them to justify it, any service we can provide over the internet can only be done cheaper and faster elsewhere

wookiemeister said:

Australia has no industrial capacity to speak of and what is left is closing down

fast communications are only really needed by countries / companies that have large data demands in the process of MAKING MONEY

farmers only need to have reasonably fast speeds to sell animals for market – look for better farming techniques

mining companies have their own communication systems they don’t rely on our communication networks as much and also do not need ultrafast communications – after all all they are only digging minerals out the ground, if they need a part fast they would just use a satellite phone

the only business that need ultrafast communications would be banking, stockmarkets etc

if you needed the access to this ultrafast network you would most likely live and work close to them in the CBD where the banks and law courts were

given that Australia is already deep in debt governmental and otherwise and we don’t need a fast comms network by virtue that other people elsewhere can do our job faster and cheaper than us (or be brought in under the free trade agreement), it is delusional to think that an NBN will do anything for us except grow the debt we will all (excluding the rich) be paid to pay for the next century.

You forgot Medical.

Thank dog there are smrtr people than you in charge.

jjjust moi said:

wookiemeister said:

Australia has no industrial capacity to speak of and what is left is closing down

fast communications are only really needed by countries / companies that have large data demands in the process of MAKING MONEY

farmers only need to have reasonably fast speeds to sell animals for market – look for better farming techniques

mining companies have their own communication systems they don’t rely on our communication networks as much and also do not need ultrafast communications – after all all they are only digging minerals out the ground, if they need a part fast they would just use a satellite phone

the only business that need ultrafast communications would be banking, stockmarkets etc

if you needed the access to this ultrafast network you would most likely live and work close to them in the CBD where the banks and law courts were

given that Australia is already deep in debt governmental and otherwise and we don’t need a fast comms network by virtue that other people elsewhere can do our job faster and cheaper than us (or be brought in under the free trade agreement), it is delusional to think that an NBN will do anything for us except grow the debt we will all (excluding the rich) be paid to pay for the next century.

You forgot Medical.

Thank dog there are smrtr people than you in charge.

I doubt if waiting ten seconds more to download something will make ANY difference

or even a few minutes – if its that urgent the chances are they aren’t going to make it anyway

chronic problems don’t need ultrafast comms

acute problems should be handled by anyone who knows what they are doing without an ultrafast network

the existing network handles all of our needs perfectly

Oh, it’s still happening. I’m going back to work.

my logic is undeniable

jjjust moi said:

wookiemeister said:

Australia has no industrial capacity to speak of and what is left is closing down

fast communications are only really needed by countries / companies that have large data demands in the process of MAKING MONEY

farmers only need to have reasonably fast speeds to sell animals for market – look for better farming techniques

mining companies have their own communication systems they don’t rely on our communication networks as much and also do not need ultrafast communications – after all all they are only digging minerals out the ground, if they need a part fast they would just use a satellite phone

the only business that need ultrafast communications would be banking, stockmarkets etc

if you needed the access to this ultrafast network you would most likely live and work close to them in the CBD where the banks and law courts were

given that Australia is already deep in debt governmental and otherwise and we don’t need a fast comms network by virtue that other people elsewhere can do our job faster and cheaper than us (or be brought in under the free trade agreement), it is delusional to think that an NBN will do anything for us except grow the debt we will all (excluding the rich) be paid to pay for the next century.

You forgot Medical.

Thank dog there are smrtr people than you in charge.

Remote telepresence surgery would require a decent internet connection don’t want dropouts

an ultrafast NBN system would also spread a computer virus faster

a slower network might be better to slow a virus

Don’t we need to advance with the times though

wookiemeister said:

an ultrafast NBN system would also spread a computer virus faster

a slower network might be better to slow a virus

That one takes the stupidity first prize.

Cymek said:

jjjust moi said:

wookiemeister said:

Australia has no industrial capacity to speak of and what is left is closing down

fast communications are only really needed by countries / companies that have large data demands in the process of MAKING MONEY

farmers only need to have reasonably fast speeds to sell animals for market – look for better farming techniques

mining companies have their own communication systems they don’t rely on our communication networks as much and also do not need ultrafast communications – after all all they are only digging minerals out the ground, if they need a part fast they would just use a satellite phone

the only business that need ultrafast communications would be banking, stockmarkets etc

if you needed the access to this ultrafast network you would most likely live and work close to them in the CBD where the banks and law courts were

given that Australia is already deep in debt governmental and otherwise and we don’t need a fast comms network by virtue that other people elsewhere can do our job faster and cheaper than us (or be brought in under the free trade agreement), it is delusional to think that an NBN will do anything for us except grow the debt we will all (excluding the rich) be paid to pay for the next century.

You forgot Medical.

Thank dog there are smrtr people than you in charge.

Remote telepresence surgery would require a decent internet connection don’t want dropouts

it would be better actually having doctors actually out there

network comms could be selectively slowed and sped up for certain applications you just slow everyone else a little to allow this to happen

Cymek said:

Don’t we need to advance with the times though

we don’t need to advance because we can’t compete anyway

as I said any application that makes money from a fast network is slowly going out of business because it can be off shored

its over

jjjust moi said:

wookiemeister said:

an ultrafast NBN system would also spread a computer virus faster

a slower network might be better to slow a virus

That one takes the stupidity first prize.

no you can use a slightly faster network on the existing network to stall and stymie spreading virus

ie

if a virus is detected the rest of the system gets inoculated before it can infect the entire network (which is slower)

wookiemeister said:

Cymek said:

jjjust moi said:

You forgot Medical.

Thank dog there are smrtr people than you in charge.

Remote telepresence surgery would require a decent internet connection don’t want dropouts

it would be better actually having doctors actually out there

network comms could be selectively slowed and sped up for certain applications you just slow everyone else a little to allow this to happen

They were talking about doing this, the problem the rich big boys pay more so they get priority and even else suffers

Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

Cymek said:

Remote telepresence surgery would require a decent internet connection don’t want dropouts

it would be better actually having doctors actually out there

network comms could be selectively slowed and sped up for certain applications you just slow everyone else a little to allow this to happen

They were talking about doing this, the problem the rich big boys pay more so they get priority and even else suffers

it doesn’t matter because in theory big boys are making money for the country, someone downloading a movie isn’t

if HD drops out, if it takes you longer so what

any industry needing fast comms networks here already lives next to the major comms pipeline overseas or have transferred overseas where they pay less tax, have cheaper labour and making more money.

as I said

my logic is undeniable

wookiemeister said:

an ultrafast NBN system would also spread a computer virus faster

a slower network might be better to slow a virus

roffle…

now that is just nonsense wrapped in an egg mcmuffin

Teleost said:

You found the explanation for Donald Trumps hair

wookiemeister said:

as I said

my logic is undeniable

no, simply no.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Teleost said:

You found the explanation for Donald Trumps hair

He doesn’t have any. It’s a rug.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

as I said

my logic is undeniable

no, simply no.

It may be, but I have never seen any of it, so I don’t know.

the only people that need ultra fast internet is people with something to SELL and make money on the internet

as most stuff being sold on the net over here doesn’t involve Australian businesses and they are mainly only BUYING things with a little bit of domestic sales there’s NO justification of building another communication system

Australia is making very little money on the internet to only be buying billions of dollars worth of equipment/ appliances from overseas

Australia makes very little because they cant compete with overseas companies with low overheads

game over

wookiemeister said:

the only people that need ultra fast internet is people with something to SELL and make money on the internet

as most stuff being sold on the net over here doesn’t involve Australian businesses and they are mainly only BUYING things with a little bit of domestic sales there’s NO justification of building another communication system

Australia is making very little money on the internet to only be buying billions of dollars worth of equipment/ appliances from overseas

Australia makes very little because they cant compete with overseas companies with low overheads

game over

Whilst your points have some merit, Australia still needs what it needs. Can do what it is capable of.

apart from the facetious comment, telling me i’m stupid theres zero rebuttal

someone did mention medical but of course that can be brushed aside very easily

that’s the whole thing – justification for spending money by a government

if Australia is tanking why throw more money into something that want make us any money

wookiemeister said:

apart from the facetious comment, telling me i’m stupid theres zero rebuttal

someone did mention medical but of course that can be brushed aside very easily

that’s the whole thing – justification for spending money by a government

if Australia is tanking why throw more money into something that want make us any money

You are talking like a Liberal party member.

wookiemeister said:

apart from the facetious comment, telling me i’m stupid theres zero rebuttal

someone did mention medical but of course that can be brushed aside very easily

that’s the whole thing – justification for spending money by a government

if Australia is tanking why throw more money into something that want make us any money

Wookie the problem is that your understanding of economics is so limited that there is little incentive to try help you understand where you are wrong.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

the only people that need ultra fast internet is people with something to SELL and make money on the internet

as most stuff being sold on the net over here doesn’t involve Australian businesses and they are mainly only BUYING things with a little bit of domestic sales there’s NO justification of building another communication system

Australia is making very little money on the internet to only be buying billions of dollars worth of equipment/ appliances from overseas

Australia makes very little because they cant compete with overseas companies with low overheads

game over

Whilst your points have some merit, Australia still needs what it needs. Can do what it is capable of.

hmmm that’s not a very good debate roughbarked

you need to quantify why you think that in terms that prove that the NBN is indeed making money by selling things to a non domestic market already in massive debt

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

apart from the facetious comment, telling me i’m stupid theres zero rebuttal

someone did mention medical but of course that can be brushed aside very easily

that’s the whole thing – justification for spending money by a government

if Australia is tanking why throw more money into something that want make us any money

Wookie the problem is that your understanding of economics is so limited that there is little incentive to try help you understand where you are wrong.

I was right about the crash before the GFC

I predicted it 6 months before on the sssf

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

apart from the facetious comment, telling me i’m stupid theres zero rebuttal

someone did mention medical but of course that can be brushed aside very easily

that’s the whole thing – justification for spending money by a government

if Australia is tanking why throw more money into something that want make us any money

Wookie the problem is that your understanding of economics is so limited that there is little incentive to try help you understand where you are wrong.

and again

you cant quantify why you think it will make money on the back of this speed

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

the only people that need ultra fast internet is people with something to SELL and make money on the internet

as most stuff being sold on the net over here doesn’t involve Australian businesses and they are mainly only BUYING things with a little bit of domestic sales there’s NO justification of building another communication system

Australia is making very little money on the internet to only be buying billions of dollars worth of equipment/ appliances from overseas

Australia makes very little because they cant compete with overseas companies with low overheads

game over

Whilst your points have some merit, Australia still needs what it needs. Can do what it is capable of.

hmmm that’s not a very good debate roughbarked

you need to quantify why you think that in terms that prove that the NBN is indeed making money by selling things to a non domestic market already in massive debt

Money is a thing of the past. We all now make debt. It is the same thing anyway without the energy cost of printing notes.

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

apart from the facetious comment, telling me i’m stupid theres zero rebuttal

someone did mention medical but of course that can be brushed aside very easily

that’s the whole thing – justification for spending money by a government

if Australia is tanking why throw more money into something that want make us any money

Wookie the problem is that your understanding of economics is so limited that there is little incentive to try help you understand where you are wrong.

and again

you cant quantify why you think it will make money on the back of this speed

It took a while but Telstra made big money from the copper roll out.

wookiemeister said:

you cant quantify why you think it will make money on the back of this speed

You say there is no need to supply high speed internet but if there is sufficient demand for it that alone is a reason to build it. You’re like the IBM executive who thought the world would only ever need 5 super-computers.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

you cant quantify why you think it will make money on the back of this speed

You say there is no need to supply high speed internet but if there is sufficient demand for it that alone is a reason to build it. You’re like the IBM executive who thought the world would only ever need 5 super-computers.

When they first invented mobile phones, they had no idea how they would evolve.

wookiemeister said:

the only people that need ultra fast internet is people with something to SELL and make money on the internet

as most stuff being sold on the net over here doesn’t involve Australian businesses and they are mainly only BUYING things with a little bit of domestic sales there’s NO justification of building another communication system

Australia is making very little money on the internet to only be buying billions of dollars worth of equipment/ appliances from overseas

Australia makes very little because they cant compete with overseas companies with low overheads

game over

I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid, so stupid it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know.

PermeateFree said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

you cant quantify why you think it will make money on the back of this speed

You say there is no need to supply high speed internet but if there is sufficient demand for it that alone is a reason to build it. You’re like the IBM executive who thought the world would only ever need 5 super-computers.

When they first invented mobile phones, they had no idea how they would evolve.

When they first invented the PSTN network they had no idea what would happen with adsl and the development of the internet

the development of PSTN lead to the the development of the internet

to scuttle development would be silly

people need to download 3D 4K HD video porn

CrazyNeutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

You say there is no need to supply high speed internet but if there is sufficient demand for it that alone is a reason to build it. You’re like the IBM executive who thought the world would only ever need 5 super-computers.

When they first invented mobile phones, they had no idea how they would evolve.

When they first invented the PSTN network they had no idea what would happen with adsl and the development of the internet

the development of PSTN lead to the the development of the internet

to scuttle development would be silly

people need to download 3D 4K HD video porn

that’s more or less all it will be used for , that and downloading movies

very little actual money will be made by us making the internet faster and using public money to do it

apart from people saying it will be good, it can’t hold up under scrutiny – that’s the worrying thing

the existing system be ok because we don’t make much money any more, building houses so that foreign investors can suck us dry with mortgage repayments doesn’t seem a very good idea

the faster internet will only be of any use if we can actually make any money from it by selling something to foreign countries

wookiemeister said:

the only people that need ultra fast internet is people with something to SELL and make money on the internet

as most stuff being sold on the net over here doesn’t involve Australian businesses and they are mainly only BUYING things with a little bit of domestic sales there’s NO justification of building another communication system

Australia is making very little money on the internet to only be buying billions of dollars worth of equipment/ appliances from overseas

Australia makes very little because they cant compete with overseas companies with low overheads

game over

you see the problem with that statement is that it’s complete bullshit

diddly-squat said:

you see the problem with that statement is that it’s complete bullshit

You came in late?

diddly-squat said:

wookiemeister said:

the only people that need ultra fast internet is people with something to SELL and make money on the internet

as most stuff being sold on the net over here doesn’t involve Australian businesses and they are mainly only BUYING things with a little bit of domestic sales there’s NO justification of building another communication system

Australia is making very little money on the internet to only be buying billions of dollars worth of equipment/ appliances from overseas

Australia makes very little because they cant compete with overseas companies with low overheads

game over

you see the problem with that statement is that it’s complete bullshit

its happening right now

companies are packing up and leaving and shipping products back here

the car industry is closing leaving a job black hole

fight it, deny it, get angry but its all over

the free trade agreement is now stopping anyone from working over here

good luck with your republic

wookiemeister said:

diddly-squat said:

wookiemeister said:

the only people that need ultra fast internet is people with something to SELL and make money on the internet

as most stuff being sold on the net over here doesn’t involve Australian businesses and they are mainly only BUYING things with a little bit of domestic sales there’s NO justification of building another communication system

Australia is making very little money on the internet to only be buying billions of dollars worth of equipment/ appliances from overseas

Australia makes very little because they cant compete with overseas companies with low overheads

game over

you see the problem with that statement is that it’s complete bullshit

its happening right now

companies are packing up and leaving and shipping products back here

the car industry is closing leaving a job black hole

fight it, deny it, get angry but its all over

Wookie. :) You have missed your calling. It is all that mis-elected government’s fault.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

diddly-squat said:

you see the problem with that statement is that it’s complete bullshit

its happening right now

companies are packing up and leaving and shipping products back here

the car industry is closing leaving a job black hole

fight it, deny it, get angry but its all over

Wookie. :) You have missed your calling. It is all that mis-elected government’s fault.

labor and liberal have lead the country straight into the dirt

ultimately its the broken electoral system and lack of electoral security but what do I know, ive just seen it with my own eyes and gone down the rabbit hole and come back and have told you its all lies and shadows

wookiemeister said:

the free trade agreement is now stopping anyone from working over here

good luck with your republic

Nothing prevents anyone from working here if they are willing to out compete.

a civilised country needs an education system that’s free, a healthcare system that’s free and a taxation where rich people cannot shirk their responsibilities

it needs a reduced legal system that keeps child molestors , serial killers and other malevolents off the streets and in gaol or preferably sent back abroad – nothing is more corrosive other than the money lenders than a broken and legal system.

stop the property developers and limit what they can do – gaol them if need be or fine them so they cannot get too powerful, they are very destructive people

any situation where nasty people can get their grubby fingers on loot is always going to end in tears

its too late here now – things will just slowly get worse and worse, hopefully by the time it hits the fan we can pack up and go elsewhere

its too late here now – things will just slowly get worse and worse, hopefully by the time it hits the fan we can pack up and go elsewhere
——
Where could one go?

Michael V said:

its too late here now – things will just slowly get worse and worse, hopefully by the time it hits the fan we can pack up and go elsewhere
——
Where could one go?

that is the question

clever people have a few passports up their sleeve, they go where its best and become the new hosts best new friend

wookiemeister said:

Michael V said:

its too late here now – things will just slowly get worse and worse, hopefully by the time it hits the fan we can pack up and go elsewhere
——
Where could one go?

that is the question

clever people have a few passports up their sleeve, they go where its best and become the new hosts best new friend

It is simple for Australians. Put Tony on a boat and anyone could do a better job.