Date: 15/09/2015 15:27:02
From: wookiemeister
ID: 776074
Subject: White paint - aug 2015

A study of houses, schools, offices and retail spaces in Brisbane and Townsville has found that roofs painted in a special reflective paint resulted in a 2°C reduction in the internal temperature of non-air conditioned rooms.

http://www.australasianscience.com.au/article/issue-september-2015/cool-paint-blows-air-con-costs-away.html

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Date: 15/09/2015 15:33:43
From: transition
ID: 776081
Subject: re: White paint - aug 2015

when did all building here looked up reflectivity ratings for CB colours, did everything in classic cream, rooves and outside walls, came near the best (on the eyes too) without going white as recall.

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Date: 15/09/2015 15:37:24
From: dv
ID: 776086
Subject: re: White paint - aug 2015

wookiemeister said:


A study of houses, schools, offices and retail spaces in Brisbane and Townsville has found that roofs painted in a special reflective paint resulted in a 2°C reduction in the internal temperature of non-air conditioned rooms.

http://www.australasianscience.com.au/article/issue-september-2015/cool-paint-blows-air-con-costs-away.html

I find this non-amazing

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Date: 15/09/2015 18:42:36
From: Langy
ID: 776154
Subject: re: White paint - aug 2015

I too find this non-amazing. Similar studies performed in all manner of other places around the world over the last umpteen years have yielded the same results.

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Date: 15/09/2015 18:45:54
From: dv
ID: 776155
Subject: re: White paint - aug 2015

Moreover, it accords with what you’d expect even if you did not do the experiment.

I suppose it provides an estimate of the benefit, 2 K.

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Date: 20/09/2015 22:24:59
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 778519
Subject: re: White paint - aug 2015

dv said:


wookiemeister said:

A study of houses, schools, offices and retail spaces in Brisbane and Townsville has found that roofs painted in a special reflective paint resulted in a 2°C reduction in the internal temperature of non-air conditioned rooms.

http://www.australasianscience.com.au/article/issue-september-2015/cool-paint-blows-air-con-costs-away.html

I find this non-amazing

It’s still an unknown. According to calculations, and observations, the colour chosen for a surface makes very little difference to the temperature inside. For example, you’ll see Bedouin in the desert who are happy to wear white, black or purple robes. The reason it makes very little difference is that the resulting temperature depends just as crucially on the emissivity coefficient at thermal wavelengths. If a body with white paint (low thermal absorption coefficient) also has matching low emissivity coefficient then the net effect on internal temperature is nil.

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Date: 20/09/2015 22:26:38
From: AwesomeO
ID: 778520
Subject: re: White paint - aug 2015

mollwollfumble said:


dv said:

wookiemeister said:

A study of houses, schools, offices and retail spaces in Brisbane and Townsville has found that roofs painted in a special reflective paint resulted in a 2°C reduction in the internal temperature of non-air conditioned rooms.

http://www.australasianscience.com.au/article/issue-september-2015/cool-paint-blows-air-con-costs-away.html

I find this non-amazing

It’s still an unknown. According to calculations, and observations, the colour chosen for a surface makes very little difference to the temperature inside. For example, you’ll see Bedouin in the desert who are happy to wear white, black or purple robes. The reason it makes very little difference is that the resulting temperature depends just as crucially on the emissivity coefficient at thermal wavelengths. If a body with white paint (low thermal absorption coefficient) also has matching low emissivity coefficient then the net effect on internal temperature is nil.

Makes a difference inside black or white cars.

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Date: 21/09/2015 22:08:49
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 778882
Subject: re: White paint - aug 2015

AwesomeO said:


mollwollfumble said:

dv said:

I find this non-amazing

It’s still an unknown. According to calculations, and observations, the colour chosen for a surface makes very little difference to the temperature inside. For example, you’ll see Bedouin in the desert who are happy to wear white, black or purple robes. The reason it makes very little difference is that the resulting temperature depends just as crucially on the emissivity coefficient at thermal wavelengths. If a body with white paint (low thermal absorption coefficient) also has matching low emissivity coefficient then the net effect on internal temperature is nil.

Makes a difference inside black or white cars.

Interior color yes, very, but exterior colour not much at all. Or so I’ve heard, all the cars other than my most recent two have been white. The most recent two, silver and mid blue, haven’t had all that much internal temperature difference, but I haven’t had the mid blue one through mid-summer yet.

The importance of interior colour is that reflected/scattered light passes back out through the windows keeping the car cool whereas emitted IR is reflected back in by the windows. So interior white is a huge help for temperature, but a disaster for vision out through the windscreen. In exterior colour, both the reflected light and emitted IR cool the car, so it doesn’t make nearly as much difference.

It’d be interesting to test this out in a physical experiment, Mythbusters style. Measure the interior temperatures of 5 or more cars with different exterior colours in the same location after sitting in the Sun for the same length of time on a hot day.

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Date: 21/09/2015 22:11:23
From: party_pants
ID: 778885
Subject: re: White paint - aug 2015

mollwollfumble said:

It’d be interesting to test this out in a physical experiment, Mythbusters style. Measure the interior temperatures of 5 or more cars with different exterior colours in the same location after sitting in the Sun for the same length of time on a hot day.

Pretty sure they did this.

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Date: 21/09/2015 22:11:52
From: AwesomeO
ID: 778886
Subject: re: White paint - aug 2015

mollwollfumble said:


AwesomeO said:

mollwollfumble said:

It’s still an unknown. According to calculations, and observations, the colour chosen for a surface makes very little difference to the temperature inside. For example, you’ll see Bedouin in the desert who are happy to wear white, black or purple robes. The reason it makes very little difference is that the resulting temperature depends just as crucially on the emissivity coefficient at thermal wavelengths. If a body with white paint (low thermal absorption coefficient) also has matching low emissivity coefficient then the net effect on internal temperature is nil.

Makes a difference inside black or white cars.

Interior color yes, very, but exterior colour not much at all. Or so I’ve heard, all the cars other than my most recent two have been white. The most recent two, silver and mid blue, haven’t had all that much internal temperature difference, but I haven’t had the mid blue one through mid-summer yet.

The importance of interior colour is that reflected/scattered light passes back out through the windows keeping the car cool whereas emitted IR is reflected back in by the windows. So interior white is a huge help for temperature, but a disaster for vision out through the windscreen. In exterior colour, both the reflected light and emitted IR cool the car, so it doesn’t make nearly as much difference.

It’d be interesting to test this out in a physical experiment, Mythbusters style. Measure the interior temperatures of 5 or more cars with different exterior colours in the same location after sitting in the Sun for the same length of time on a hot day.

Mythbusters did do it, the White car was cooler Inside.

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Date: 21/09/2015 22:13:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 778888
Subject: re: White paint - aug 2015

mollwollfumble said:


AwesomeO said:

mollwollfumble said:

It’s still an unknown. According to calculations, and observations, the colour chosen for a surface makes very little difference to the temperature inside. For example, you’ll see Bedouin in the desert who are happy to wear white, black or purple robes. The reason it makes very little difference is that the resulting temperature depends just as crucially on the emissivity coefficient at thermal wavelengths. If a body with white paint (low thermal absorption coefficient) also has matching low emissivity coefficient then the net effect on internal temperature is nil.

Makes a difference inside black or white cars.

Interior color yes, very, but exterior colour not much at all. Or so I’ve heard, all the cars other than my most recent two have been white. The most recent two, silver and mid blue, haven’t had all that much internal temperature difference, but I haven’t had the mid blue one through mid-summer yet.

The importance of interior colour is that reflected/scattered light passes back out through the windows keeping the car cool whereas emitted IR is reflected back in by the windows. So interior white is a huge help for temperature, but a disaster for vision out through the windscreen. In exterior colour, both the reflected light and emitted IR cool the car, so it doesn’t make nearly as much difference.

It’d be interesting to test this out in a physical experiment, Mythbusters style. Measure the interior temperatures of 5 or more cars with different exterior colours in the same location after sitting in the Sun for the same length of time on a hot day.

Generally, grey interior and silver outside, works well. Though it is a shit colour on certain days against road reflection for safe vision, the silver outer, I mean.

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Date: 21/09/2015 22:16:16
From: roughbarked
ID: 778889
Subject: re: White paint - aug 2015

AwesomeO said:


mollwollfumble said:

AwesomeO said:

Makes a difference inside black or white cars.

Interior color yes, very, but exterior colour not much at all. Or so I’ve heard, all the cars other than my most recent two have been white. The most recent two, silver and mid blue, haven’t had all that much internal temperature difference, but I haven’t had the mid blue one through mid-summer yet.

The importance of interior colour is that reflected/scattered light passes back out through the windows keeping the car cool whereas emitted IR is reflected back in by the windows. So interior white is a huge help for temperature, but a disaster for vision out through the windscreen. In exterior colour, both the reflected light and emitted IR cool the car, so it doesn’t make nearly as much difference.

It’d be interesting to test this out in a physical experiment, Mythbusters style. Measure the interior temperatures of 5 or more cars with different exterior colours in the same location after sitting in the Sun for the same length of time on a hot day.

Mythbusters did do it, the White car was cooler Inside.

They didn’t need to do it. The customers have religiously purchased more white cars than any other colour.

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Date: 21/09/2015 22:20:19
From: AwesomeO
ID: 778891
Subject: re: White paint - aug 2015

roughbarked said:


AwesomeO said:

mollwollfumble said:

Interior color yes, very, but exterior colour not much at all. Or so I’ve heard, all the cars other than my most recent two have been white. The most recent two, silver and mid blue, haven’t had all that much internal temperature difference, but I haven’t had the mid blue one through mid-summer yet.

The importance of interior colour is that reflected/scattered light passes back out through the windows keeping the car cool whereas emitted IR is reflected back in by the windows. So interior white is a huge help for temperature, but a disaster for vision out through the windscreen. In exterior colour, both the reflected light and emitted IR cool the car, so it doesn’t make nearly as much difference.

It’d be interesting to test this out in a physical experiment, Mythbusters style. Measure the interior temperatures of 5 or more cars with different exterior colours in the same location after sitting in the Sun for the same length of time on a hot day.

Mythbusters did do it, the White car was cooler Inside.

They didn’t need to do it. The customers have religiously purchased more white cars than any other colour.

There are other reasons to buy a white car over black. Like black cars are very hard to keep clean and looking good, and also govt departments tend to buy white cars as do people who want to put on livery.

And mythbusters were testing the difference in temperature in the sun, not that people buy more white cars than others.

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Date: 21/09/2015 22:23:22
From: wookiemeister
ID: 778892
Subject: re: White paint - aug 2015

AwesomeO said:


mollwollfumble said:

AwesomeO said:

Makes a difference inside black or white cars.

Interior color yes, very, but exterior colour not much at all. Or so I’ve heard, all the cars other than my most recent two have been white. The most recent two, silver and mid blue, haven’t had all that much internal temperature difference, but I haven’t had the mid blue one through mid-summer yet.

The importance of interior colour is that reflected/scattered light passes back out through the windows keeping the car cool whereas emitted IR is reflected back in by the windows. So interior white is a huge help for temperature, but a disaster for vision out through the windscreen. In exterior colour, both the reflected light and emitted IR cool the car, so it doesn’t make nearly as much difference.

It’d be interesting to test this out in a physical experiment, Mythbusters style. Measure the interior temperatures of 5 or more cars with different exterior colours in the same location after sitting in the Sun for the same length of time on a hot day.

Mythbusters did do it, the White car was cooler Inside.


by 10 degrees I think

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Date: 21/09/2015 22:26:46
From: roughbarked
ID: 778894
Subject: re: White paint - aug 2015

AwesomeO said:


roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

Mythbusters did do it, the White car was cooler Inside.

They didn’t need to do it. The customers have religiously purchased more white cars than any other colour.

There are other reasons to buy a white car over black. Like black cars are very hard to keep clean and looking good, and also govt departments tend to buy white cars as do people who want to put on livery.

And mythbusters were testing the difference in temperature in the sun, not that people buy more white cars than others.

Still, and all. Word of mouth says. My car is cooler than yours depite being easier to see.

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Date: 21/09/2015 22:31:46
From: Michael V
ID: 778896
Subject: re: White paint - aug 2015

Interestingly, in California, the most popular motor car colour by far is black.

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Date: 21/09/2015 22:35:13
From: AwesomeO
ID: 778898
Subject: re: White paint - aug 2015

Michael V said:


Interestingly, in California, the most popular motor car colour by far is black.

Trendsetters. Apart from the keeping clean aspects, the cooling of cars, any cars will be less of an issue in the future where people can switch on the air-conditioning/ heating by an app on the phone so that they get into an already climate adjusted car.

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Date: 21/09/2015 22:40:00
From: kii
ID: 778899
Subject: re: White paint - aug 2015

Keeping the car clean. Hahahahaha…..

Not around here. Black cars or dirt-coloured cars all end up looking the same.

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Date: 21/09/2015 22:44:11
From: Neophyte
ID: 778901
Subject: re: White paint - aug 2015

AwesomeO said:


Michael V said:

Interestingly, in California, the most popular motor car colour by far is black.

Trendsetters. Apart from the keeping clean aspects, the cooling of cars, any cars will be less of an issue in the future where people can switch on the air-conditioning/ heating by an app on the phone so that they get into an already climate adjusted car.

What if someone hacks your car and turns up the heat :-)

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Date: 21/09/2015 22:45:30
From: wookiemeister
ID: 778902
Subject: re: White paint - aug 2015

try putting your hand on the bodywork of a black car in the midday sun

then try it on a white car

the difference is noticeable

but consider this…. imagine if a city was painted black from top to bottom – how uncomfortable in the midday sun would it become?

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