You have a good idea, an appealing notion, like equality for example, let’s say it’s related to egalitarianism.

In the generalizations and specifics that might get applied (in whatever form), are individuals and groups more or less likey to be sensitive to it’s extremes, misuses, abuses and such.

Same of transparency, at what point does transparency become something else, or is just such a fucken fantastic idea more of the same’s never enough.

Do (some) good ideas become like ideology and part of informal behaviour controls and beyond question, they become weapons.

There’s overlap in what i’m saying with political and psychological correctness, but i’d prefer to stay away from those terms.

Do most people carry around appealing notions in their heads, that sort of wander and in a flash get applied here and there, and some of the essence of those ideas has a group-think righteousness (dressed down maybe) about them (defying any questioning) but deconstructed much of it is shit.

How about whisky or brandy flavoured toothpaste? I would buy it and I have given up booze.

Does psychology ignore human chemistry?

Is saying the human body is electro chemical ?

Is that extreme?

CrazyNeutrino said:

Does psychology ignore human chemistry?

The major advances in psychology over the last fifty years mainly relate to chemistry.

dv said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Does psychology ignore human chemistry?

The major advances in psychology over the last fifty years mainly relate to chemistry.

Thats good then

Is there a list somewhere

CrazyNeutrino said:

dv said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Does psychology ignore human chemistry?

The major advances in psychology over the last fifty years mainly relate to chemistry.

Thats good then

Is there a list somewhere

Yep

dv said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

dv said:

The major advances in psychology over the last fifty years mainly relate to chemistry.

Thats good then

Is there a list somewhere

Yep

Could you post it please DV.

transition said:

You have a good idea, an appealing notion, like equality for example, let’s say it’s related to egalitarianism.

In the generalizations and specifics that might get applied (in whatever form), are individuals and groups more or less likey to be sensitive to it’s extremes, misuses, abuses and such.

Same of transparency, at what point does transparency become something else, or is just such a fucken fantastic idea more of the same’s never enough.

Do (some) good ideas become like ideology and part of informal behaviour controls and beyond question, they become weapons.

There’s overlap in what i’m saying with political and psychological correctness, but i’d prefer to stay away from those terms.

Do most people carry around appealing notions in their heads, that sort of wander and in a flash get applied here and there, and some of the essence of those ideas has a group-think righteousness (dressed down maybe) about them (defying any questioning) but deconstructed much of it is shit.

Your posting reminded me immediately of “social Darwinism”, shudder. Under Nazi rule, the “good ideas” of Darwin progressed into an ideology and from there to the deaths of about 6 million people.

Another. “Liberation” as a good idea led to the “French Revolution” which in turn led to the deaths of somewhere between 16,500 and 40,000 people. Much the same happened in other countries.

Even the “mafia” started as a good idea. It began as a peasants’ quiet revolt against feudalism, a peoples’ government involving settlement of disputes, setting up business contracts, protection of property and suppression of lawlessness, in a time when there were nowhere near enough paid policemen or judges to take on these tasks.

Catholicism would be another example of a good idea taken to extreme. The word “catholic” still means all-embracing.

Then there’s the “Westminster system”. Initially a good idea. Now it’s degenerated into a permanent brawl where political assassination becomes the only goal of politicians on both sides.

I’m just about wondering whether “wikipedia” is starting to head the same way. Wikipedia is currently run by 32 bureaucrats. These bureaucrats together control 1,339 administrators, who act as autocrats independently of whether they have any intelligence.

> Do most people carry around appealing notions in their heads, that sort of wander and in a flash get applied here and there, and some of the essence of those ideas has a group-think righteousness (dressed down maybe) about them (defying any questioning) but deconstructed much of it is shit.

Yes. Shh, can’t I at least pretend it’s not shit?

mollwollfumble said:

transition said:

You have a good idea, an appealing notion, like equality for example, let’s say it’s related to egalitarianism.

In the generalizations and specifics that might get applied (in whatever form), are individuals and groups more or less likey to be sensitive to it’s extremes, misuses, abuses and such.

Same of transparency, at what point does transparency become something else, or is just such a fucken fantastic idea more of the same’s never enough.

Do (some) good ideas become like ideology and part of informal behaviour controls and beyond question, they become weapons.

There’s overlap in what i’m saying with political and psychological correctness, but i’d prefer to stay away from those terms.

Do most people carry around appealing notions in their heads, that sort of wander and in a flash get applied here and there, and some of the essence of those ideas has a group-think righteousness (dressed down maybe) about them (defying any questioning) but deconstructed much of it is shit.

Your posting reminded me immediately of “social Darwinism”, shudder. Under Nazi rule, the “good ideas” of Darwin progressed into an ideology and from there to the deaths of about 6 million people.

Another. “Liberation” as a good idea led to the “French Revolution” which in turn led to the deaths of somewhere between 16,500 and 40,000 people. Much the same happened in other countries.

Even the “mafia” started as a good idea. It began as a peasants’ quiet revolt against feudalism, a peoples’ government involving settlement of disputes, setting up business contracts, protection of property and suppression of lawlessness, in a time when there were nowhere near enough paid policemen or judges to take on these tasks.

Catholicism would be another example of a good idea taken to extreme. The word “catholic” still means all-embracing.

Then there’s the “Westminster system”. Initially a good idea. Now it’s degenerated into a permanent brawl where political assassination becomes the only goal of politicians on both sides.

…

I’m still waiting to hear of some “supposedly” good ideas turning bad. Including the following.

World Vision. I’m still waiting to hear of adopted African children suing their adopted parents. Claiming that they have a right to the entire assets owned by their parents when the parents die. It’s probably already happened many times and been hushed up.

Aboriginal ownership (1975-present). Is heading towards an Australian version of the Reconquista (711-1492) and of the ousting of the Vikings from England (878-1103).

Greenpeace. Has already lost it’s entire contingent of peaceful people.

transition said:

Do (some) good ideas become like ideology and part of informal behaviour controls and beyond question, they become weapons.

I thought of more examples overnight. All have yet to lead to disaster, but all are heading in that direction.

1. Medical help to overcome infant mortality. Result: population explosion.

2. Agriculture. Result: deforestation.

3. Avoidance of inbreeding. Result: rapid buildup of deadly recessive mutations in the general population.

4. Contraception. Result: world population becomes more stupid.

5. TV, the computer, www etc.