Has anyone here tried any of these obviously dodgy systems? the presenters, both males and females, drone on and on about how great they are, without giving any details of how they work, or a list of satisfied users, so how do the promoters get any money out of the gullible?

What sort of systems? I get lotto scams, free energy scams, and email scams amongst many. Can you narrow it down?

I’ll see if I can find one, let me look.

bob(from black rock) said:

Has anyone here tried any of these obviously dodgy systems? the presenters, both males and females, drone on and on about how great they are, without giving any details of how they work, or a list of satisfied users, so how do the promoters get any money out of the gullible?

by selling a money making system

Witty Rejoinder said:

What sort of systems? I get lotto scams, free energy scams, and email scams amongst many. Can you narrow it down?

the most obvious ones I can think of are the property investment systems.

teach people how to identify investments, leverage debt and maximise earned value through tax loopholes…

or are we talking about the types of self improvement systems like “The Secret”

If you “Google” “free money systems” you will find lots of them, what I cant work out is how they get cash from the gullible. If I had a free money system the last thing I would be doing is to tell anyone about it or them.

bob(from black rock) said:

If you “Google” “free money systems” you will find lots of them, what I cant work out is how they get cash from the gullible. If I had a free money system the last thing I would be doing is to tell anyone about it or them.

I’m not sure I understand why you find it so hard to believe; they sell a promise of a better life… be it happier, healthier or more wealthy (or usually all three)

diddly-squat said:

bob(from black rock) said:

If you “Google” “free money systems” you will find lots of them, what I cant work out is how they get cash from the gullible. If I had a free money system the last thing I would be doing is to tell anyone about it or them.

I’m not sure I understand why you find it so hard to believe; they sell a promise of a better life… be it happier, healthier or more wealthy (or usually all three)

But why do they do this? it is obviously a scam.

let me put it thins way…

“I have a way to make you lots of money, very quickly – all you need to do is pay me a small amount of money and then I’ll tell you how” and of course it must be true because I’m wearing a nice suit and I drove here in a Ferrari.

diddly-squat said:

let me put it thins way…

“I have a way to make you lots of money, very quickly – all you need to do is pay me a small amount of money and then I’ll tell you how” and of course it must be true because I’m wearing a nice suit and I drove here in a Ferrari.

Ok, have you tried any of these systems? and if not why not?

diddly-squat said:

let me put it thins way…

“I have a way to make you lots of money, very quickly – all you need to do is pay me a small amount of money and then I’ll tell you how” and of course it must be true because I’m wearing a nice suit and I drove here in a Ferrari.

And that’s how you make the money. Just by telling other people: “I have a way to make you lots of money, very quickly – all you need to do is pay me a small amount of money and then I’ll tell you how”

bob(from black rock) said:

diddly-squat said:

bob(from black rock) said:

If you “Google” “free money systems” you will find lots of them, what I cant work out is how they get cash from the gullible. If I had a free money system the last thing I would be doing is to tell anyone about it or them.

I’m not sure I understand why you find it so hard to believe; they sell a promise of a better life… be it happier, healthier or more wealthy (or usually all three)

But why do they do this? it is obviously a scam.

most of these systems aren’t “scams” in the traditional sense of the word (in that people are paying money for good or services and then receiving them); they are systems, that (and here is the clincher) that if followed, will result in you getting happier, healthier or more wealthy.

If it doesn’t work, it’s not the fault of the system, it’s your fault for not following it…

I would however draw somewhat of a line under things like The Secret, where they invoke pseudo-science mumbo-jumbo as the underlying premise. These sorts of things are scams…

bob(from black rock) said:

diddly-squat said:

let me put it thins way…

“I have a way to make you lots of money, very quickly – all you need to do is pay me a small amount of money and then I’ll tell you how” and of course it must be true because I’m wearing a nice suit and I drove here in a Ferrari.

Ok, have you tried any of these systems? and if not why not?

I’ve looked at several property type investment systems before and as far as I can see they are all about managing risk and your appetite for debt (which is something I’m not particularly keen on doing).

but it would help if you could be more specific… are we talking investment systems or are we talking pseudo-science mumbo-jumbo “law of positive attraction” nonsense?

diddly-squat said:

bob(from black rock) said:

diddly-squat said:

let me put it thins way…

“I have a way to make you lots of money, very quickly – all you need to do is pay me a small amount of money and then I’ll tell you how” and of course it must be true because I’m wearing a nice suit and I drove here in a Ferrari.

Ok, have you tried any of these systems? and if not why not?

I’ve looked at several property type investment systems before and as far as I can see they are all about managing risk and your appetite for debt (which is something I’m not particularly keen on doing).

House prices only go up, how could you go wrong ;).

poikilotherm said:

diddly-squat said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Ok, have you tried any of these systems? and if not why not?

I’ve looked at several property type investment systems before and as far as I can see they are all about managing risk and your appetite for debt (which is something I’m not particularly keen on doing).

House prices only go up, how could you go wrong ;).

perxactly… and that little thing called the “interest rate” always stays low right…

what do you mean you’re calling in my margin loan??

diddly-squat said:

poikilotherm said:

diddly-squat said:

I’ve looked at several property type investment systems before and as far as I can see they are all about managing risk and your appetite for debt (which is something I’m not particularly keen on doing).

House prices only go up, how could you go wrong ;).

perxactly… and that little thing called the “interest rate” always stays low right…

what do you mean you’re calling in my margin loan??

Of course. Margin loan? You’re so 80s sometimes…

poikilotherm said:

diddly-squat said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Ok, have you tried any of these systems? and if not why not?

I’ve looked at several property type investment systems before and as far as I can see they are all about managing risk and your appetite for debt (which is something I’m not particularly keen on doing).

House prices only go up, how could you go wrong ;).

the other thing is that many of these types of systems only really work well if you are not a PAYE employee.

diddly-squat said:

bob(from black rock) said:

diddly-squat said:

let me put it thins way…

“I have a way to make you lots of money, very quickly – all you need to do is pay me a small amount of money and then I’ll tell you how” and of course it must be true because I’m wearing a nice suit and I drove here in a Ferrari.

Ok, have you tried any of these systems? and if not why not?

I’ve looked at several property type investment systems before and as far as I can see they are all about managing risk and your appetite for debt (which is something I’m not particularly keen on doing).

but it would help if you could be more specific… are we talking investment systems or are we talking pseudo-science mumbo-jumbo “law of positive attraction” nonsense?

I made a zillion dollars that way

all I know is that there are a lot of wealthy Nigerian princes who seem extremely generous

diddly-squat said:

poikilotherm said:

diddly-squat said:

I’ve looked at several property type investment systems before and as far as I can see they are all about managing risk and your appetite for debt (which is something I’m not particularly keen on doing).

House prices only go up, how could you go wrong ;).

the other thing is that many of these types of systems only really work well if you are not a PAYE employee.

It’s quite interesting what you can do with trusts et al. when owning a business.

Arts said:

all I know is that there are a lot of wealthy Nigerian princes who seem extremely generous

and princesses Arts, there are strict quotas on the numbers of scam Nigerian princesses that need help from you

wookiemeister said:

Arts said:

all I know is that there are a lot of wealthy Nigerian princes who seem extremely generous

and princesses Arts, there are strict quotas on the numbers of scam Nigerian princesses that need help from you

what do you mean, scam? they are truly generous souls who just need us to do one thing…

Two of 20 immunised Tasmanian devils released into wild killed on road days after re-introduction
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-30/tasmanian-devils-killed-on-road-days-after-being-released/6816966

moral of the story

don’t release them into areas where they can escape onto the road – make large swathes of land have roads that stop animals getting onto them

you can build bridges for animals to cross on

Perth FIFO worker jailed for life for caravan park threesome murder
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-30/caravan-park-threesome-murder-ryan-hawke-life-term/6816414

However Judge Simmonds said he accepted Hawke was now remorseful for what he had done and that he had prospects for rehabilitation.

Hawke was jailed for life with a 17 year minimum and will be eligible for release 2031.

always show them REMORSE when you’ve killed somebody – it takes the edge of the sentence

Syria crisis: Bashar al-Assad must go or face ‘military option’, Saudi Arabia’s foreign minister says
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-30/assad-must-go-or-face-military-option-saudi-arabia-says/6815218

Saudi Arabia versus Russia

Saudi Arabia gets flattened by bombs in 5 minutes, America or no America

so how do the promoters get any money out of the gullible

you answered your own question

wookiemeister said:

Perth FIFO worker jailed for life for caravan park threesome murder
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-30/caravan-park-threesome-murder-ryan-hawke-life-term/6816414

However Judge Simmonds said he accepted Hawke was now remorseful for what he had done and that he had prospects for rehabilitation.

Hawke was jailed for life with a 17 year minimum and will be eligible for release 2031.

always show them REMORSE when you’ve killed somebody – it takes the edge of the sentence

He should get three consecutive life sentences, no parole.

Arts said:

wookiemeister said:

Arts said:

all I know is that there are a lot of wealthy Nigerian princes who seem extremely generous

and princesses Arts, there are strict quotas on the numbers of scam Nigerian princesses that need help from you

what do you mean, scam? they are truly generous souls who just need us to do one thing…

There are some people who want to make to money.

Look at those poor drug mules in Indonesia, all they wanted to do was to make money, that was their crime, to make money.

They put them in jail because they wanted to make money.

They sentenced them to death because they wanted to make money.

bob(from black rock) said:

Has anyone here tried any of these obviously dodgy systems? the presenters, both males and females, drone on and on about how great they are, without giving any details of how they work, or a list of satisfied users, so how do the promoters get any money out of the gullible?

If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

bob(from black rock) said:

Has anyone here tried any of these obviously dodgy systems? the presenters, both males and females, drone on and on about how great they are, without giving any details of how they work, or a list of satisfied users, so how do the promoters get any money out of the gullible?

If you mean “earn money working on the web” systems, such as earning money by filling in questionnaires, then my daughter has. You have to do the work before you get any payment and the website almost always goes belly-up before you do enough work to get paid.

If you mean the TV advertisements about “get money quick”, nimble, cashcow, creditwash and suchlike, my inner voice screams “loan shark”.

My mum does tons of surveys online. Just last week she scored $200 in Woolworths vouchers (incl. Big W et al)

Divine Angel said:

My mum does tons of surveys online. Just last week she scored $200 in Woolworths vouchers (incl. Big W et al)

Mrs SS used to do well out of those

stumpy_seahorse said:

Divine Angel said:

My mum does tons of surveys online. Just last week she scored $200 in Woolworths vouchers (incl. Big W et al)

Mrs SS used to do well out of those

Mr buffy does them too.

Divine Angel said:

My mum does tons of surveys online. Just last week she scored $200 in Woolworths vouchers (incl. Big W et al)

Has she worked out the hourly rate for earning that $200? How many surveys has she filled in?

pommiejohn said:

Divine Angel said:

My mum does tons of surveys online. Just last week she scored $200 in Woolworths vouchers (incl. Big W et al)

Has she worked out the hourly rate for earning that $200? How many surveys has she filled in?

What one needs is to make a little survey bot to do them for you while you’re at work.

pommiejohn said:

Divine Angel said:

My mum does tons of surveys online. Just last week she scored $200 in Woolworths vouchers (incl. Big W et al)

Has she worked out the hourly rate for earning that $200? How many surveys has she filled in?

Oh it’s very little per hour, or per survey. But, having a fixed income now, anything “for free” is good :)

pommiejohn said:

Divine Angel said:

My mum does tons of surveys online. Just last week she scored $200 in Woolworths vouchers (incl. Big W et al)

Has she worked out the hourly rate for earning that $200? How many surveys has she filled in?

And compared it to the nothing she would get from other ways of time filling. For those with time to spare.

pommiejohn said:

Divine Angel said:

My mum does tons of surveys online. Just last week she scored $200 in Woolworths vouchers (incl. Big W et al)

Has she worked out the hourly rate for earning that $200? How many surveys has she filled in?

it’s a bit like mystery shopping.. You wn’t make a living out of it, but if you have nothing better to do, you’ll get a free meal out ofit

Mum has plenty of time to spare… until I crack it with Little Miss and dump her at mum’s house :p

CrazyNeutrino said:

Arts said:

wookiemeister said:

and princesses Arts, there are strict quotas on the numbers of scam Nigerian princesses that need help from you

what do you mean, scam? they are truly generous souls who just need us to do one thing…

There are some people who want to make to money.

Look at those poor drug mules in Indonesia, all they wanted to do was to make money, that was their crime, to make money.

They put them in jail because they wanted to make money.

They sentenced them to death because they wanted to make money.

well no… but nice strawman

Divine Angel said:

Mum has plenty of time to spare… until I crack it with Little Miss and dump her at mum’s house :p

and even then, she can put Little Miss in front of the tv and continue with her surveys :P

stumpy_seahorse said:

Divine Angel said:

Mum has plenty of time to spare… until I crack it with Little Miss and dump her at mum’s house :p

and even then, she can put Little Miss in front of the tv and continue with her surveys :P

I thought you just gave them an iPad or generic equivalent these days and left them in the car?

poikilotherm said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

Divine Angel said:

Mum has plenty of time to spare… until I crack it with Little Miss and dump her at mum’s house :p

and even then, she can put Little Miss in front of the tv and continue with her surveys :P

I thought you just gave them an iPad or generic equivalent these days and left them in the car?

No idea… i’m not up to it withkids these days…

Stepson is in Sydney for a week on his own at the moment… I still think I’ll be disappointed if he doesn’t get himself into ttrouble…

diddly-squat said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Arts said:

what do you mean, scam? they are truly generous souls who just need us to do one thing…

There are some people who want to make to money.

Look at those poor drug mules in Indonesia, all they wanted to do was to make money, that was their crime, to make money.

They put them in jail because they wanted to make money.

They sentenced them to death because they wanted to make money.

well no… but nice strawman

or straw woman

so sick of the sexism here

I know a way to make some quick cash… all you have to do is send me a $19.99 registration fee and when I have enough money I’ll tell all registered people how to do it. Send money now, don’t miss out on this fantastic once in a lifetime opportunity!

Arts said:

I know a way to make some quick cash… all you have to do is send me a $19.99 registration fee and when I have enough money I’ll tell all registered people how to do it. Send money now, don’t miss out on this fantastic once in a lifetime opportunity!

I know you, it’s probably a Tontine…

poikilotherm said:

Arts said:

I know a way to make some quick cash… all you have to do is send me a $19.99 registration fee and when I have enough money I’ll tell all registered people how to do it. Send money now, don’t miss out on this fantastic once in a lifetime opportunity!

I know you, it’s probably a Tontine…

unhospitalised citizens need not apply

poikilotherm said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

Divine Angel said:

Mum has plenty of time to spare… until I crack it with Little Miss and dump her at mum’s house :p

and even then, she can put Little Miss in front of the tv and continue with her surveys :P

I thought you just gave them an iPad or generic equivalent these days and left them in the car?

Turns out her attention span is even less than required for an iPad. And she’s not into TV yet, however, I do know several mums with a crush on Jimmy Giggle from Giggle & Hoot.