not the apparent tone of your internal monologue so much

perhaps more the force of the rightness

did you get it from mum and dad, your grade three teacher, from the ABC news, a sunday school teacher, or the bible

Don’t recall getting anything much from the bible.

roughbarked said:

Don’t recall getting anything much from the bible.

what’s the nearest thing then, to scripture, the word of God, that isn’t, but does something similar of authority.

transition said:

roughbarked said:

Don’t recall getting anything much from the bible.

what’s the nearest thing then, to scripture, the word of God, that isn’t, but does something similar of authority.

Probably the one I got from my FiL. “I’m not always right but I’m never wrong”.

I’m fairly confident that mine, like most, comes from the Prefrontal Cortex area of my brain.

I talk and discuss things with myself (usually in my head) quite a bit. Arguments are laid out by different versions of myself, and eventually (often after much discussion) some decision as to direction is made. There doesn’t appear to be any single executive. More like an academy.

Sometimes no direction is taken, because the discussion is incomplete and requires refinement. The tone? None in particular.

Rule 303 said:

I’m fairly confident that mine, like most, comes from the Prefrontal Cortex area of my brain.

Aptly put.

transition said:

not the apparent tone of your internal monologue so much, perhaps more the force of the rightness

did you get it from mum and dad, your grade three teacher, from the ABC news, a sunday school teacher, or the bible

You’ll have to explain better than that. Because “executive”, “rightness” and “force” are three mutually exclusive topics when it comes to internal voices. Also, you’d better clarify if by “voice” you mean “expressed in words” or “guiding spirit”.

Perhaps some of my history will explain my need for clarification. I did at one time in my life encounter and defeat (on my own without help) demonic possession, where a voice tried to take control of part of my body. At about that time I also encountered a whole range of other voices, most but by no means all of them “Jungian Archetypes”. One non-Jungian voice that I personally met went by the name of “fleetfoot”. Currently, I occasionally have to struggle with the voice of the “self critic”, you know what I mean, the voice that says “that was a stupid thing to do” and the voice that brings back memories of mistakes that I have made in the past. “Persona” hangs around every now and then.

But on the other hand, for me “conscience” and “executive (ie. that which controls my actions) and “analytical” are currently guiding spirits with voices not expressed in words. “Id”, has never for me expressed itself in words, nor has “panic”.

If you don’t experience inner voices, and want to, the easiest way is to find a quiet relaxing time, say in bed with eyes wide open, and ask a question – if you’re relaxed enough then a voice will answer. Some Christians believe it to be the voice of God, some non-Christians believe it to be the voice of Conscience. It is neither, because it is neither omniscient not consistently ethical, though it may want to give you the impression that it is both. It is just a facet of your personality.

Prefrontal is a strange word. How does something be before the front?

Divine Angel said:

Prefrontal is a strange word. How does something be before the front?

A front always exerts pressure before it.

Divine Angel said:

Prefrontal is a strange word. How does something be before the front?

There are a few things in Anatomy that don’t quite make sense in the literal translation. And then there’s stuff that is still argued about.

In theory, ‘cortex’ means the outer later. There is no Frontal Cortex, but there is a Frontal Lobe.

Make of that what ye will.

We could take it to mean the outer layer of the front of the brain.

Where I was going was the possibility of, and how, for example, religion maybe hijacks the executive function of the mind, which must also involve or be evident in the internal monologue.

Further, I was considering how much worse religion was that say absorbing authority from the TV news, or more broadly the cultural instruments of ideology.

Sometimes I hear the voice of a teacher or an ex telling me something mean. It’s always my own voice that tells them to fuck off :)
(It took a while for my voice to speak up)

Divine Angel said:

Sometimes I hear the voice of a teacher or an ex telling me something mean. It’s always my own voice that tells them to fuck off :)
(It took a while for my voice to speak up)

always tell them you are remorseful DA