Medicinal marijuana to be legalised in Victoria in Australian first move

Locally-grown medicinal cannabis will be legalised for use in exceptional circumstances in Victoria, under a controversial State Government move to ease the suffering of people with serious medical conditions.

In an Australian first, the Andrews Government plans to embark on a state-based cannabis cultivation trial, following the recommendations of a report by the Victorian Law Reform Commission that has been tabled in Parliament.

The commission has recommended licensing cultivators and manufacturers to produce medicinal cannabis products under laws similar to those governing the state’s opium poppy industry.

The products would be prescribed by a specialist and sold at pharmacies under arrangements based on the methadone program, not a grow-your-own scheme.

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About time too

only took 115 years

CrazyNeutrino said:

Medicinal marijuana to be legalised in Victoria in Australian first move

Locally-grown medicinal cannabis will be legalised for use in exceptional circumstances in Victoria, under a controversial State Government move to ease the suffering of people with serious medical conditions.

In an Australian first, the Andrews Government plans to embark on a state-based cannabis cultivation trial, following the recommendations of a report by the Victorian Law Reform Commission that has been tabled in Parliament.

The commission has recommended licensing cultivators and manufacturers to produce medicinal cannabis products under laws similar to those governing the state’s opium poppy industry.

The products would be prescribed by a specialist and sold at pharmacies under arrangements based on the methadone program, not a grow-your-own scheme.

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So, how are they going to prove that you didn’t grow your own?

poik’s going to have to start employing a bouncer…

genetics.

ChrispenEvan said:

genetics.

They can have fun trying.

why?

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

genetics.

They can have fun trying.

The real fun will be finding out what all the different 80 + cannabinoids do.

Heaps of science to be done.

ChrispenEvan said:

why?

What do you know about the genetics of Cannabis?

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

why?

What do you know about the genetics of Cannabis?

Genetics is probably going to be the next big thing with Cannabis

Genetics of Cannabis

How genetics is reshaping the marijuana industry

In 2011, right as the legalization movement was picking up steam in several states, Kevin McKernan left biotech giant Life Technologies, the company that had acquihired him just a few years before. On his way out, he signed a non-compete promising he wouldn’t tinker with any DNA-related projects.

“We couldn’t pick up a pipette,” McKernan recalls, “except for cannabis because they couldn’t touch that.” He founded Medicinal Genomics, a company focused on marijuana genetics.

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answer the question. and let me decide whether i need you to clarify anything.

https://www.leafly.com/news/cannabis-101/cannabis-genotypes-and-phenotypes-what-makes-a-strain-unique

Sometimes you find a cannabis strain so good, you can’t help but revisit the experience every time the opportunity presents itself. One day you might be surprised to discover a new batch of Blue Dream looks nothing like the one you last tried: what was once a spear-shaped flower now looks like a chunky bulb of crystal trichomes. It’s the same strain, so what’s with the variability?

Two things influence the structural formation of any given cannabis plant: genetics and environment. The plant’s genetic makeup, also called a genotype, acts as a blueprint for growth: it allows a spectrum of physical possibilities, but it is up to the environment to induce these characteristics. The physical expression of a genotype is referred to as a phenotype, which is simply defined as the traits that the environment pulls out from the plant’s genetic code. Everything from color, shape, smell, and resin production are affected by the environment.

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ChrispenEvan said:

answer the question. and let me decide whether i need you to clarify anything.

It will be years before they get a handle on it. That’s why.

Genetic Science for Safe and Effective Medical Cannabis

there is over 648,000 results on Genetics of Cannabis

its not something to dismiss

they only need to do a comparison of certain markers. bit like doing a dna test on humans. and how monsanto et al can determine whether you are licensed to grow that crop or not. you don’t need to “understand” it. whatever that means.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Genetic Science for Safe and Effective Medical Cannabis

there is over 648,000 results on Genetics of Cannabis

its not something to dismiss

What they need to understand about it is bigger.

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

answer the question. and let me decide whether i need you to clarify anything.

It will be years before they get a handle on it. That’s why.

People are working on Cannabis Genetics right now!

and the crops they grow will most likely be clones. they will want a consistant result. plus it is hardly going to be broadacre cropping.

ChrispenEvan said:

they only need to do a comparison of certain markers. bit like doing a dna test on humans. and how monsanto et al can determine whether you are licensed to grow that crop or not. you don’t need to “understand” it. whatever that means.

The point is, that they have little comprehension now about how this changes in Cannabis. It can all change under growing conditions.

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

they only need to do a comparison of certain markers. bit like doing a dna test on humans. and how monsanto et al can determine whether you are licensed to grow that crop or not. you don’t need to “understand” it. whatever that means.

The point is, that they have little comprehension now about how this changes in Cannabis. It can all change under growing conditions.

Who is the “they” who have little comprehension and what makes you think so?

maybe they’ll use markers that are less prone to change. the whole genome doesn’t alter. how much do you know about genetics?

“they” are scientists who know less than roughbarked about….er….anything really.

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

they only need to do a comparison of certain markers. bit like doing a dna test on humans. and how monsanto et al can determine whether you are licensed to grow that crop or not. you don’t need to “understand” it. whatever that means.

The point is, that they have little comprehension now about how this changes in Cannabis. It can all change under growing conditions.

Who is the “they” who have little comprehension and what makes you think so?

Experience? It is something that tells. Mucking about with genetics is a tricky business with a plant that can change its sex.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Genetic Science for Safe and Effective Medical Cannabis

there is over 648,000 results on Genetics of Cannabis

its not something to dismiss

How many peer reviewed?

ChrispenEvan said:

maybe they’ll use markers that are less prone to change. the whole genome doesn’t alter. how much do you know about genetics?

There is very little diversity in Cannabis.

ChrispenEvan said:

“they” are scientists who know less than roughbarked about….er….anything really.

not at all.

Why is it always the drug fucked morons who use it for recreational purposes , that get the most excited over news like this?

Dropbear said:

Why is it always the drug fucked morons who use it for recreational purposes , that get the most excited over news like this?

brain fried so much it’s difficult to concentrate for more than 5 minutes on anything else…

Dropbear said:

Why is it always the drug fucked morons who use it for recreational purposes , that get the most excited over news like this?

Baffles me. The scientists are doing their best to engineer out the high which users want as unwanted side effects and the morons are cheering from the sidelines. And I say that as someone who is not averse to bending my brain.

Dropbear said:

Why is it always the drug fucked morons who use it for recreational purposes , that get the most excited over news like this?

What makes you believe that all users are doing so for recreational purpose?

There has been very little research into why people actually use Cannabis but all that has been done should point to the fact that certain people actually need it.

AwesomeO said:

Dropbear said:

Why is it always the drug fucked morons who use it for recreational purposes , that get the most excited over news like this?

Baffles me. The scientists are doing their best to engineer out the high which users want as unwanted side effects and the morons are cheering from the sidelines. And I say that as someone who is not averse to bending my brain.

I guess they feel it legitimises their addiction (not talking about you)

AwesomeO said:

Dropbear said:

Why is it always the drug fucked morons who use it for recreational purposes , that get the most excited over news like this?

Baffles me. The scientists are doing their best to engineer out the high which users want as unwanted side effects and the morons are cheering from the sidelines. And I say that as someone who is not averse to bending my brain.

:)

The Americans tried to breed the stuff to make rope and ended up making super weed that couldn’t be smoked withouta death warrant for at least two generations.

Dropbear said:

AwesomeO said:

Dropbear said:

Why is it always the drug fucked morons who use it for recreational purposes , that get the most excited over news like this?

Baffles me. The scientists are doing their best to engineer out the high which users want as unwanted side effects and the morons are cheering from the sidelines. And I say that as someone who is not averse to bending my brain.

I guess they feel it legitimises their addiction (not talking about you)

What is addictive about Cannabis?

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Genetic Science for Safe and Effective Medical Cannabis

there is over 648,000 results on Genetics of Cannabis

its not something to dismiss

How many peer reviewed?

Depending upon who are the peers?

roughbarked said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Genetic Science for Safe and Effective Medical Cannabis

there is over 648,000 results on Genetics of Cannabis

its not something to dismiss

How many peer reviewed?

Depending upon who are the peers?

Google Scholar only has 21,700 results for Genetics of Cannibis.

well, if there is much diversity then they will add a marker. but i would think that there would and there clone would be easily determined.

ChrispenEvan said:

and the crops they grow will most likely be clones. they will want a consistant result. plus it is hardly going to be broadacre cropping.

Yes. It is the only way to guarantee results. Take cuttings or grafts.

ChrispenEvan said:

well, if there is much diversity then they will add a marker. but i would think that there would and there clone would be easily determined.

Yes. If the clone is specific and the growing contitions monitored than this should be so.
However, at this point in time there are still no known guarantees unless you can show me some.

JTQ said:

roughbarked said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

How many peer reviewed?

Depending upon who are the peers?

Google Scholar only has 21,700 results for Genetics of Cannibis.

Which is actually quite a lot considering that it is illegal to do research in a lot of instances.

tissue culture. yes i know. you don’t need to tell me. sheesh.

ChrispenEvan said:

tissue culture. yes i know. you don’t need to tell me. sheesh.

:)

Yes. If the clone is specific and the growing contitions monitored than this should be so.
However, at this point in time there are still no known guarantees unless you can show me some.

why the fuck do i need to show you anything? these techniques are well known and widely used. you ain’t reinventing the wheel.

ChrispenEvan said:

Yes. If the clone is specific and the growing contitions monitored than this should be so.
However, at this point in time there are still no known guarantees unless you can show me some.

why the fuck do i need to show you anything? these techniques are well known and widely used. you ain’t reinventing the wheel.

Cannabis can change during the one generation. Quite a lot has to do with growing conditions.

roughbarked said:

JTQ said:

roughbarked said:

Depending upon who are the peers?

Google Scholar only has 21,700 results for Genetics of Cannibis.

Which is actually quite a lot considering that it is illegal to do research in a lot of instances.

In Australia, yes.

Here’s a US one: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajmg.b.30378/abstract

From the abstract: “Cannabis is a major substance of abuse, and the gene encoding for the central cannabinoid receptor (CNR1) is a logical candidate gene for vulnerability toward developing symptoms of cannabis dependence.”

and how do these hydro guys do their growing? tissue culture. so it is a tried technique.

JTQ said:

roughbarked said:

JTQ said:

Google Scholar only has 21,700 results for Genetics of Cannibis.

Which is actually quite a lot considering that it is illegal to do research in a lot of instances.

In Australia, yes.

Here’s a US one: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajmg.b.30378/abstract

From the abstract: “Cannabis is a major substance of abuse, and the gene encoding for the central cannabinoid receptor (CNR1) is a logical candidate gene for vulnerability toward developing symptoms of cannabis dependence.”

One can be dependant upon Cannbis in many ways. Some people don’t smoke it but can’t stop growing it.

I take it from this that the medical marijuana will be checked to ensure that it doesn’t contain the real nasties found as additives in illegal versions. Illegal marijuana has been known to contain heroine, added specifically to get users hooked.

I watched an episode on “Bones” about medical marijuana. The person killed had been growing marijuana with a low THC content that didn’t compromise its healing effects. Was killed by someone who wrongly suspected that because he didn’t get high he was being ripped off.

in the 40 years i have been around dope, and in different states of aus and overseas, i have never come across anyone adding anything to it. not saying it doesn’t happen but it would be exceedingly rare.

mollwollfumble said:

I take it from this that the medical marijuana will be checked to ensure that it doesn’t contain the real nasties found as additives in illegal versions. Illegal marijuana has been known to contain heroine, added specifically to get users hooked.

I watched an episode on “Bones” about medical marijuana. The person killed had been growing marijuana with a low THC content that didn’t compromise its healing effects. Was killed by someone who wrongly suspected that because he didn’t get high he was being ripped off.

I’d love a heroine with my little green baggie.

The second point could be valid.

ChrispenEvan said:

in the 40 years i have been around dope, and in different states of aus and overseas, i have never come across anyone adding anything to it. not saying it doesn’t happen but it would be exceedingly rare.

It could be anything from a bag of oregano to opium laced hashish. I think experience matters.

whether it is oregano or laced hashish it still is a rarity. it’s a bit like dealers always used to be suspicious of any crackles on the phone line. they thought the cops were listening. same urban myths and paranoia.

ChrispenEvan said:

whether it is oregano or laced hashish it still is a rarity. it’s a bit like dealers always used to be suspicious of any crackles on the phone line. they thought the cops were listening. same urban myths and paranoia.

Well yeah. It does also depend upon the brainspace of the punter. You do get to see this stuff out there.

like i said in 40 years i have never seen it. and i don’t remember anyone telling me of any first hand experience.

ChrispenEvan said:

like i said in 40 years i have never seen it. and i don’t remember anyone telling me of any first hand experience.

You had a better group to read from. A luck indeed worthy.

ChrispenEvan said:

like i said in 40 years i have never seen it. and i don’t remember anyone telling me of any first hand experience.

You’re safe from such shennanigins in WA :)

party_pants said:

ChrispenEvan said:

like i said in 40 years i have never seen it. and i don’t remember anyone telling me of any first hand experience.

You’re safe from such shennanigins in WA :)

Don’t they put crack in it there?

it isn’t luck. it just doesn’t happen on any scale worth worrying about. if it has happened to you then that just goes to show that either you’re so dumb or you have crap friends. for fucks sake start to fucking think.

ChrispenEvan said:

it isn’t luck. it just doesn’t happen on any scale worth worrying about. if it has happened to you then that just goes to show that either you’re so dumb or you have crap friends. for fucks sake start to fucking think.

crap neighbours. Despite my parents best efforts to find a good neighbourhood.

As I said, you were lucky to have avoided the experience. GeoffD noted that I had shit neighbours.

JTQ said:

roughbarked said:

JTQ said:

Google Scholar only has 21,700 results for Genetics of Cannibis.

Which is actually quite a lot considering that it is illegal to do research in a lot of instances.

In Australia, yes.

Here’s a US one: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajmg.b.30378/abstract

From the abstract: “Cannabis is a major substance of abuse, and the gene encoding for the central cannabinoid receptor (CNR1) is a logical candidate gene for vulnerability toward developing symptoms of cannabis dependence.”

Wow

what does make alcohol

Large Scale source of Car accidents, domestic violence, health problems, catastrophic source of human abuse.

Do we see health warning on alcohol products

No

It wouldn’t be good for the wine industry to admit a connection to car deaths, domestic violence and health problems.

CrazyNeutrino said:

JTQ said:

roughbarked said:

Which is actually quite a lot considering that it is illegal to do research in a lot of instances.

In Australia, yes.

Here’s a US one: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajmg.b.30378/abstract

From the abstract: “Cannabis is a major substance of abuse, and the gene encoding for the central cannabinoid receptor (CNR1) is a logical candidate gene for vulnerability toward developing symptoms of cannabis dependence.”

Wow

what does make alcohol

Large Scale source of Car accidents, domestic violence, health problems, catastrophic source of human abuse.

Do we see health warning on alcohol products

No

It wouldn’t be good for the wine industry to admit a connection to car deaths, domestic violence and health problems.

Please note that legalisation of marijuana is much more advanced in the USA than in Australia.

mollwollfumble said:

I take it from this that the medical marijuana will be checked to ensure that it doesn’t contain the real nasties found as additives in illegal versions. Illegal marijuana has been known to contain heroine, added specifically to get users hooked.

I watched an episode on “Bones” about medical marijuana. The person killed had been growing marijuana with a low THC content that didn’t compromise its healing effects. Was killed by someone who wrongly suspected that because he didn’t get high he was being ripped off.

Well, the Opium poppies growing in Tasmania get checked for consistency, then the opium gets processed

same thing with cannabis, it will get processed, but the pharmaceutical industry will have a steep learning curve with over 400 compounds and around 80 cannabinoids

Most people only know 2 cannabinoids, THC and CBD.

skunk

my feelings about MJ is that some people are set up to deal with it – others aren’t – genetically

there’s anecdotal evidence that suggests that MJ triggers schizophrenia

I’ve tried it once and it made me violently sick – never touched it since

if its being prescribed by a doctor then all fine and dandy

dv said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

JTQ said:

In Australia, yes.

Here’s a US one: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajmg.b.30378/abstract

From the abstract: “Cannabis is a major substance of abuse, and the gene encoding for the central cannabinoid receptor (CNR1) is a logical candidate gene for vulnerability toward developing symptoms of cannabis dependence.”

Wow

what does make alcohol

Large Scale source of Car accidents, domestic violence, health problems, catastrophic source of human abuse.

Do we see health warning on alcohol products

No

It wouldn’t be good for the wine industry to admit a connection to car deaths, domestic violence and health problems.

Please note that legalisation of marijuana is much more advanced in the USA than in Australia.

True, but they following a different path with cannabis dispensaries,

I don’t think will happen here

there is a big difference between processed medicine, consistent with dosage and purity and available in mouth spray, oil, tincture, tablet etc

and cannabis dispensaries offering something you have to smoke

you don’t get that purity and dosage with the cannabis dispensaries in the USA, there is no guarantee of dosage or purity, there is the added danger of human fecal contaminants and the product is still something you have to smoke.

I dont know if they take a soft line to those that grow their own strain for their own medical use, looks doubtful but who knows?

the government will still take a hard line with recreational drugs

this kind of thing will cut down the profits of the dealers I suppose and it can be taxed

wookiemeister said:

my feelings about MJ is that some people are set up to deal with it – others aren’t – genetically

there’s anecdotal evidence that suggests that MJ triggers schizophrenia

I’ve tried it once and it made me violently sick – never touched it since

How much did you use?

recreational drugs can do immense damage

wookiemeister said:

this kind of thing will cut down the profits of the dealers I suppose and it can be taxed

How?

The recreational usage will be the same

same demand and supply

CrazyNeutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

my feelings about MJ is that some people are set up to deal with it – others aren’t – genetically

there’s anecdotal evidence that suggests that MJ triggers schizophrenia

I’ve tried it once and it made me violently sick – never touched it since

How much did you use?

smoked it as a look see experiment

anything poisonous gets expelled from my body, it won’t have any of it

CrazyNeutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

this kind of thing will cut down the profits of the dealers I suppose and it can be taxed

How?

The recreational usage will be the same

same demand and supply

perhaps the government should be the dealer, this way you can monitor the dose and the purity, people are dying out there

if someone does die from it the government gets blamed I suppose

if it gets prescribed by a doctor for say 1 hit a fortnight or a month that’s stabilised the problem

only a relatively small proportion of the population uses regularly anyway

if you want larger doses or more doses you have to have a vasectomy or an implanted contraceptive – this stops drug users having kids the state has to look after. many people will go for this as their lives are already over from using drugs

maybe the existing drug users with no future could be offered this option

wookiemeister said:

recreational drugs can do immense damage

Yes, just look at meth and ice, crack cocaine

a lot of street drugs are cut and contaminated

No way am I a fan of street drugs

Ultimately, people do not know what is in any street drug

A chemist shop offers consistency in dosage and purity

Street drugs do not

wookiemeister said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

my feelings about MJ is that some people are set up to deal with it – others aren’t – genetically

there’s anecdotal evidence that suggests that MJ triggers schizophrenia

I’ve tried it once and it made me violently sick – never touched it since

How much did you use?

smoked it as a look see experiment

anything poisonous gets expelled from my body, it won’t have any of it

Yes, but that does not tell me how much you used

was it a whole cigarette length?

vs one inhale?

CrazyNeutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

recreational drugs can do immense damage

Yes, just look at meth and ice, crack cocaine

a lot of street drugs are cut and contaminated

No way am I a fan of street drugs

Ultimately, people do not know what is in any street drug

A chemist shop offers consistency in dosage and purity

Street drugs do not

maybe you need prescribed drugs with a known purity – maybe a bit more money but safer and a known dose ie the user is weighed and evaluated before using

they could do quick tests every year to see how the drug is ravaging their body

the user signs a document to say they understand the repercussions and they cant ever take out a law suit/ class action against the gov for giving them drugs

CrazyNeutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

How much did you use?

smoked it as a look see experiment

anything poisonous gets expelled from my body, it won’t have any of it

Yes, but that does not tell me how much you used

was it a whole cigarette length?

vs one inhale?

bottle full of fumes

Seems to me to0 be some misconceptions about the pot market.

Haven’t had the stuff in my house for over a decade, but but I had some flat-mates who were users. There was (IME) no organised big time pot drug barons. The stuff was so prevalent and so easy to grow that people bought it of friends or workmates, nobody bought it from a “dealer” with dodgy underwold connections. People grew their own, and only sold it to people they knew, never to strangers. I see lots of talk about drug bosses and dealers and the like in this thread, it just was’t like that ever in my experience.

you could give ice users ice prescriptions of a known dose that they take there and then – they can’t on sell

then try to work out how to get them off it

in the mean time take down the drug networks

if they catch you trafficking drugs they send you to the worst gaols in the world Siberia or somewhere stinking hot but cheap to run

we could off shore our prison load for drug traffickers, it would cost a fraction of the price to keep them locked up

party_pants said:

Seems to me to0 be some misconceptions about the pot market.

Haven’t had the stuff in my house for over a decade, but but I had some flat-mates who were users. There was (IME) no organised big time pot drug barons. The stuff was so prevalent and so easy to grow that people bought it of friends or workmates, nobody bought it from a “dealer” with dodgy underwold connections. People grew their own, and only sold it to people they knew, never to strangers. I see lots of talk about drug bosses and dealers and the like in this thread, it just was’t like that ever in my experience.

pot dealers are out there but how much money they make i’m not sure

quite agree p_p. same here. that is why ‘cutting” it with anything is a rarity.

wookiemeister said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

this kind of thing will cut down the profits of the dealers I suppose and it can be taxed

How?

The recreational usage will be the same

same demand and supply

perhaps the government should be the dealer, this way you can monitor the dose and the purity, people are dying out there

if someone does die from it the government gets blamed I suppose

if it gets prescribed by a doctor for say 1 hit a fortnight or a month that’s stabilised the problem

only a relatively small proportion of the population uses regularly anyway

if you want larger doses or more doses you have to have a vasectomy or an implanted contraceptive – this stops drug users having kids the state has to look after. many people will go for this as their lives are already over from using drugs

maybe the existing drug users with no future could be offered this option

Thats what the government does with the opium poppies, they grow it, harvest it, it then gets processed, delivered to hospitals and pharmacies.

its gets difficult to see how consistency can be guaranteed with hundreds of growers in a cottage type industry.

I’m sure certain crop growers could meet a standard.

ChrispenEvan said:

quite agree p_p. same here. that is why ‘cutting” it with anything is a rarity.

Yeah, was going to make a lengthy comment earlier, but got side-tracked reading a book.

ChrispenEvan said:

and how do these hydro guys do their growing? tissue culture. so it is a tried technique.

it isn’t the only tried technique.

ChrispenEvan said:

quite agree p_p. same here. that is why ‘cutting” it with anything is a rarity.

No arguments other that the demographics I’ve pointed out.

CrazyNeutrino said:

I’m sure certain crop growers could meet a standard.

They already know all about that.

never said it was. but at least i add to the discussion with relevant info and new stuff. not just vague statements. try it.

ChrispenEvan said:

never said it was. but at least i add to the discussion with relevant info and new stuff. not just vague statements. try it.

ffs.. how long do you think I’ve been around?

You have no idea though I’ve laden the place with clues.

People breed animals, some might breed dogs with specific traits

People breed plants, some people breed specific types of roses towards a specific trait

breed
brēd/
verb
verb: breed; 3rd person present: breeds; past tense: bred; past participle: bred; gerund or present participle: breeding

1. cause (an animal) to produce offspring, typically in a controlled and organized way. “he wants to see the animals his new stock has been bred from” (of animals) mate and then produce offspring. “toads are said to return to the pond of their birth to breed”

noun
noun: breed; plural noun: breeds

1. a stock of animals or plants within a species having a distinctive appearance and typically having been developed by deliberate selection.

so people breed, using selection, observation and taking lots of notes

its not magic

nah, you’ve not said anything really. go back and read the thread. cuttings and grafts. which aren’t really used in hydro, which was what we were talking about at that time.

ChrispenEvan said:

nah, you’ve not said anything really. go back and read the thread. cuttings and grafts. which aren’t really used in hydro, which was what we were talking about at that time.

What you are talking about is rarely what I am trying to get across. You never seem to think listening could be a skill.

and some fake it like mendel did. a bit anyway.

http://www.amjbot.org/content/88/5/737.full

well then say something worth listening to. you delude yourself that somehow people don’t see what you are on about. it seems to be a case of we are all wrong about you rather than it is you that have a problem communicating in a coherent manner.

The Jack Lord helped me kick Valium.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4HS2cJHVlg

stumpy_seahorse said:

poik’s going to have to start employing a bouncer…

I’m already stereotyping the customers…

stumpy_seahorse said:

poik’s going to have to start employing a bouncer…

I’m already stereotyping the customers…

Should have mentioned it earlier, because it’s IMPORTANT.

Smoking marijuana causes lung cancer. It’s worse than tobacco.
That’s the most important fact in the whole medical marijuana debate.

and most medical marijuana wont be smoked. too coarse a dose control.

ChrispenEvan said:

and most medical marijuana wont be smoked. too coarse a dose control.

I would guess in America, most of those who are allowed medicinal marijuana smoke it. But most of those are scammers.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277837/

http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/15/10/1829.short

mollwollfumble said:

Should have mentioned it earlier, because it’s IMPORTANT.

Smoking marijuana causes lung cancer. It’s worse than tobacco.
That’s the most important fact in the whole medical marijuana debate.

No one will be smoking medical cannabis medication here in Australia,

Instead, oils, tinctures, tablets, mouth sprays capsules etc will be the delivery method of the drug through hospital pharmacies or consumer pharmacies via doctor scripts

mollwollfumble said:

Should have mentioned it earlier, because it’s IMPORTANT.

Smoking marijuana causes lung cancer. It’s worse than tobacco.
That’s the most important fact in the whole medical marijuana debate.

Tell that to the Americans!

http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=410634>

so it really doesn’t look like marijuana is worse than tobacco for causing lung cancer.

We have had a very successful anti smoking cigarettes campaign here in Australia

Smoking anything is a health hazard

For what is worth I use a vaporizer

http://www.vaporizergalaxy.com/volcano-digital-vaporizer.html

CrazyNeutrino said:

mollwollfumble said:

Should have mentioned it earlier, because it’s IMPORTANT.

Smoking marijuana causes lung cancer. It’s worse than tobacco.
That’s the most important fact in the whole medical marijuana debate.

No one will be smoking medical cannabis medication here in Australia,

Instead, oils, tinctures, tablets, mouth sprays capsules etc will be the delivery method of the drug through hospital pharmacies or consumer pharmacies via doctor scripts

Good. I was hoping that would be the case. A TV program six months back about the Medical Marijuana debate in the USA (from all three sides, objectors, prescribers and users) didn’t once mention the drug delivery method.

it wouldn’t surprise me if a sizeable number of MJ users suffer from depression, MJ might be a kinder drug than alcohol

mollwollfumble said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

mollwollfumble said:

Should have mentioned it earlier, because it’s IMPORTANT.

Smoking marijuana causes lung cancer. It’s worse than tobacco.
That’s the most important fact in the whole medical marijuana debate.

No one will be smoking medical cannabis medication here in Australia,

Instead, oils, tinctures, tablets, mouth sprays capsules etc will be the delivery method of the drug through hospital pharmacies or consumer pharmacies via doctor scripts

Good. I was hoping that would be the case. A TV program six months back about the Medical Marijuana debate in the USA (from all three sides, objectors, prescribers and users) didn’t once mention the drug delivery method.

It will be interesting to see how America deals with its Cannabis dispensaries

As pharmaceutical cannabis medications have many health benefits over smoking cannabis

people can make simple tinctures from a cannabis plant themselves if they do not want to smoke it

information about it is out there

wookiemeister said:

it wouldn’t surprise me if a sizeable number of MJ users suffer from depression, MJ might be a kinder drug than alcohol

I find cannabis acts like a good mood stabilizer

alcohol certainly isn’t

In that aspect cannabis is the opposite to alcohol

but there are people who react badly to cannabis so it wont for them

the cannabis medication will be processed filtered etc

they will target specific components of cannabis which will make better medications in the future

Lots of medical research and discoveries

people could make lots of money

wow, this thread has everything, misinformation, vagueness, unkind judgement, shonky references, outright lies…

all we need is someone to correct a spelling mistake and we’ll be done with it

humans have for many years and still do use hemp to make materials. from sails to ropes to clothing, it makes a fine material and very hard wearing

I agree with boris and p_p on the issue of dealing and ‘cutting’ ..

I have read very conflicting evidence on the issue of ‘cancer causing’ in fact, the opposite, only that often people who smoke THC also smoke tobacco, and no thc dedicated studies in this area have been done. Recent testing even suggests that marijuana extracts may help kill certain cancer cells and reduce the size of others (not inhaled – obviously)

CBD (cannabidiol) a chemical in marijuana is refined and used to treat childhood epilepsy – very successfully, by all accounts.

THC is also used for medical purposes – to increase appetite and help stem nausea

but, importantly, medical marijuana does not mean that Poik will suddenly have to store $50 bags… it does nothing for ‘high’ seekers and won’t be smoked, but refined to an oral oil (as is currently the case with CBD) or tablet.

Hope that helps