Seems a number of people are criticising Australian plans to eradicate feral cats. Here’s an article by William Lynn:

Australia’s war on feral cats: shaky science, missing ethics

http://theconversation.com/australias-war-on-feral-cats-shaky-science-missing-ethics-47444

“blaming the victim”

I can’t relate to this person’s views at all. Blame has nothing to do with it. It’s about actions and consequences.

You’re brave mentioning cats, lots of hatred towards them for their nature and actions, cruelty towards them seems almost OK to seemingly reasonable people.

Nope, nothing to do with hatred or cruelty either.

It’s just straight protection of biodiversity.

cruelty towards them seems almost OK to seemingly reasonable people.

yep. quite funny when so called conservationists talk like this.

dv said:

Nope, nothing to do with hatred or cruelty either.

It’s just straight protection of biodiversity.

I don’t have a problem with that but often hear people claim they kill any cat they find on or near their property. They often cage and drown them

He doesn’t seem a very careful thinker. For example:

>Are cats any more of an invasive species than human beings? Who transported cats across the world so that they are now one of the most widely distributed mammalian carnivores?<

Surely the logical answer is: “Humans did, therefore we have a responsibility to do something about it.”

>When compared to humanity’s destruction and degradation of habitats, extinction of species, and the sprawl of our cities and economic activity, are we really to believe that it is cats who are the enemy of biodiversity?<

Strange thing to say when he’s already pointed out that feral cats are a human-created problem. And just as we need to take responsibility for other threats to biodiversity, we need to take responsibility for the cat problem.

I encounter the same kinds of responses for dog lovers when, in response to another news story about a dog running up and killing or maiming a child, I argue in favour of stricter leashing laws or stronger sentencing for the dog owners.

“You can’t blame the dog, it’s not their fault.”

Who gives a shit about blame? I’d happily see the word blame banned from political discourse. The only question we have to ask is “What course of action will improve this situation?”

dv said:

I encounter the same kinds of responses for dog lovers when, in response to another news story about a dog running up and killing or maiming a child, I argue in favour of stricter leashing laws or stronger sentencing for the dog owners.

“You can’t blame the dog, it’s not their fault.”

Who gives a shit about blame? I’d happily see the word blame banned from political discourse. The only question we have to ask is “What course of action will improve this situation?”

I vote for less childs or at least dog edible ones.

Don’t seem to be any non-lethal methods of cat management currently employed except exclusion fencing, which is very expensive.

NSW government document:

MODEL CODE OF PRACTICE
Humane Control of Feral Cats

http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/559020/Feral-Cat-COP.pdf

Maybe 10 or 20 years from now it will be practical to send an army of robots out to chemically sterilise feral cats.

dv said:

Maybe 10 or 20 years from now it will be practical to send an army of robots out to chemically sterilise feral cats.

As long as we don’t end up with a feral robot problem. Packs of buggy robots roaming the outback sterilising everything in sight.

Nice pun on buggy there. Take the rest of the day off.

dv said:

Maybe 10 or 20 years from now it will be practical to send an army of robots out to chemically sterilise feral cats.

Now you’re just stealing wookie ideas.

Bubblecar said:

Don’t seem to be any non-lethal methods of cat management currently employed except exclusion fencing, which is very expensive.

Apparently we’re supposed to catch all the cats, desex them all individually, and then let them go back in the wild again to live out the rest of their days until they die of natural causes.

.. and the same for camels, goats, horses and donkeys too.

dv said:

Maybe 10 or 20 years from now it will be practical to send an army of robots out to chemically sterilise feral cats.

Won’t be that long. The Pentagon already has autonomous hunter-killers ready to roll.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Don’t seem to be any non-lethal methods of cat management currently employed except exclusion fencing, which is very expensive.

Apparently we’re supposed to catch all the cats, desex them all individually, and then let them go back in the wild again to live out the rest of their days until they die of natural causes.

.. and the same for camels, goats, horses and donkeys too.

In fairness we could probably make profitable use out of camels, goats, horses and donkeys so the robots should lead them back to civilisation.

dv said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Don’t seem to be any non-lethal methods of cat management currently employed except exclusion fencing, which is very expensive.

Apparently we’re supposed to catch all the cats, desex them all individually, and then let them go back in the wild again to live out the rest of their days until they die of natural causes.

.. and the same for camels, goats, horses and donkeys too.

In fairness we could probably make profitable use out of camels, goats, horses and donkeys so the robots should lead them back to civilisation.

Is it in their herding instincts to follow a robot?

party_pants said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

Apparently we’re supposed to catch all the cats, desex them all individually, and then let them go back in the wild again to live out the rest of their days until they die of natural causes.

.. and the same for camels, goats, horses and donkeys too.

In fairness we could probably make profitable use out of camels, goats, horses and donkeys so the robots should lead them back to civilisation.

Is it in their herding instincts to follow a robot?

I suppose it depends what the robot looks like and how it behaves.

dv said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

In fairness we could probably make profitable use out of camels, goats, horses and donkeys so the robots should lead them back to civilisation.

Is it in their herding instincts to follow a robot?

I suppose it depends what the robot looks like and how it behaves.

I guess you’d need basic types – one dominant male type superbeast to lure away all the feral females, and a small group of receptive female robots giving out the right pheromones to lure all the wild males away.

Well presumably some kind of dog like herding robot would be good for the goats.

To be honest I was not aware that Australia had a huge feral goat problem. FRTSBO, carnivores present a much graver biodiversity risk in general than herbivores do.

dv said:

Well presumably some kind of dog like herding robot would be good for the goats.

To be honest I was not aware that Australia had a huge feral goat problem.

You must leave the city often.

poikilotherm said:

dv said:

Well presumably some kind of dog like herding robot would be good for the goats.

To be honest I was not aware that Australia had a huge feral goat problem.

You must leave the city often.

Moderately often, yes, due to my line of work.

Herbivores put pressure on other herbivores but this kind of competition is not likely to wipe a species out. Carnivores will eat a species until it really is gone and this has happened plenty of times.

dv said:

I encounter the same kinds of responses for dog lovers when, in response to another news story about a dog running up and killing or maiming a child, I argue in favour of stricter leashing laws or stronger sentencing for the dog owners.

“You can’t blame the dog, it’s not their fault.”

Who gives a shit about blame? I’d happily see the word blame banned from political discourse. The only question we have to ask is “What course of action will improve this situation?”

Sounds like the author has based much of his argument on the tv series in England where they monitored 50 cats from a village. However these were domestic cats that were allowed to roam at will. Many did not venture far and did not hunt, but others like ex farm cats did venture further afield and did hunt and sometimes brought home their kill. These dead animals were shown with a certain amount of glee by their owners of how cleaver their cats were to catch them, and no mention was made of how local indigenous populations were faring.

The native animals in the UK have been predated upon by wildcats for probably thousands of years, but I would doubt that these cat populations were anywhere near as high as pet cats today, therefore currently generating additional predation on native species. In Australia cats are running amuck causing considerable damage to our wildlife and have in many areas sent local species extinct, plus have reduced populations in other areas to barely survival level. Just the other day I saw the vomit on a feral cat, which contained the remains of a frog, reptile and a bushrat.

If we are to retain our small native animals, cats and foxes need to be eliminated from the bush by any means available. The current plan to remove 2 million cats although an excellent beginning, I doubt will have much effect, as cats in a good year can double their population, making anything other than biological control futile.

dv said:

poikilotherm said:

dv said:

Well presumably some kind of dog like herding robot would be good for the goats.

To be honest I was not aware that Australia had a huge feral goat problem.

You must leave the city often.

Moderately often, yes, due to my line of work.

clearly.

poikilotherm said:

dv said:

poikilotherm said:

You must leave the city often.

Moderately often, yes, due to my line of work.

clearly.

Indubitably.

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

I encounter the same kinds of responses for dog lovers when, in response to another news story about a dog running up and killing or maiming a child, I argue in favour of stricter leashing laws or stronger sentencing for the dog owners.

“You can’t blame the dog, it’s not their fault.”

Who gives a shit about blame? I’d happily see the word blame banned from political discourse. The only question we have to ask is “What course of action will improve this situation?”

Sounds like the author has based much of his argument on the tv series in England where they monitored 50 cats from a village. However these were domestic cats that were allowed to roam at will. Many did not venture far and did not hunt, but others like ex farm cats did venture further afield and did hunt and sometimes brought home their kill. These dead animals were shown with a certain amount of glee by their owners of how cleaver their cats were to catch them, and no mention was made of how local indigenous populations were faring.

The native animals in the UK have been predated upon by wildcats for probably thousands of years, but I would doubt that these cat populations were anywhere near as high as pet cats today, therefore currently generating additional predation on native species. In Australia cats are running amuck causing considerable damage to our wildlife and have in many areas sent local species extinct, plus have reduced populations in other areas to barely survival level. Just the other day I saw the vomit on a feral cat, which contained the remains of a frog, reptile and a bushrat.

If we are to retain our small native animals, cats and foxes need to be eliminated from the bush by any means available. The current plan to remove 2 million cats although an excellent beginning, I doubt will have much effect, as cats in a good year can double their population, making anything other than biological control futile.

I wonder how cats rate versus foxes, as a threat to wildlife.

dv said:

Herbivores put pressure on other herbivores but this kind of competition is not likely to wipe a species out. Carnivores will eat a species until it really is gone and this has happened plenty of times.

They place a great deal of pressure on the plants they eat.

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

Herbivores put pressure on other herbivores but this kind of competition is not likely to wipe a species out. Carnivores will eat a species until it really is gone and this has happened plenty of times.

They place a great deal of pressure on the plants they eat.

Can be true but speaking generally plants are better at surviving being half-eaten than animals. Indeed some of them rely on this process to spread their seeds…

dv said:

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

I encounter the same kinds of responses for dog lovers when, in response to another news story about a dog running up and killing or maiming a child, I argue in favour of stricter leashing laws or stronger sentencing for the dog owners.

“You can’t blame the dog, it’s not their fault.”

Who gives a shit about blame? I’d happily see the word blame banned from political discourse. The only question we have to ask is “What course of action will improve this situation?”

Sounds like the author has based much of his argument on the tv series in England where they monitored 50 cats from a village. However these were domestic cats that were allowed to roam at will. Many did not venture far and did not hunt, but others like ex farm cats did venture further afield and did hunt and sometimes brought home their kill. These dead animals were shown with a certain amount of glee by their owners of how cleaver their cats were to catch them, and no mention was made of how local indigenous populations were faring.

The native animals in the UK have been predated upon by wildcats for probably thousands of years, but I would doubt that these cat populations were anywhere near as high as pet cats today, therefore currently generating additional predation on native species. In Australia cats are running amuck causing considerable damage to our wildlife and have in many areas sent local species extinct, plus have reduced populations in other areas to barely survival level. Just the other day I saw the vomit on a feral cat, which contained the remains of a frog, reptile and a bushrat.

If we are to retain our small native animals, cats and foxes need to be eliminated from the bush by any means available. The current plan to remove 2 million cats although an excellent beginning, I doubt will have much effect, as cats in a good year can double their population, making anything other than biological control futile.

I wonder how cats rate versus foxes, as a threat to wildlife.

Similar, but method of hunting different, which means even more native species are placed at risk.

Perhaps instead of killing them we need to biologically engineer a cat specific sterilisation virus and release it into the wild, let it run its course and then eradicate them.

There is the feline calicivirus but it can hardly be considered humane.

dv said:

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

Herbivores put pressure on other herbivores but this kind of competition is not likely to wipe a species out. Carnivores will eat a species until it really is gone and this has happened plenty of times.

They place a great deal of pressure on the plants they eat.

Can be true but speaking generally plants are better at surviving being half-eaten than animals. Indeed some of them rely on this process to spread their seeds…

There are a lot that don’t and often the entire plant is eaten. Goats although being able to eat almost anything, will consume the most tasty first and when that is gone, move to the next and so on, thereby creating severe pressure on some species that can drive them to extinction.

Cymek said:

Perhaps instead of killing them we need to biologically engineer a cat specific sterilisation virus and release it into the wild, let it run its course and then eradicate them.

As the current rate of activity, I think it would be very acceptable. In fact anything would be very acceptable.

Cats, Cows, Horses?

If nursery rhymes taught us anything it is that the one thing missing from this chain is dogs, then the whole mess would be sorted out. Though some old lady would be dead…

furious said:

Cats, Cows, Horses?

If nursery rhymes taught us anything it is that the one thing missing from this chain is dogs, then the whole mess would be sorted out. Though some old lady would be dead…

She swallowed the fly to destroy evidence in the lead up to an ethics investigation.

dv said:

Well presumably some kind of dog like herding robot would be good for the goats.

To be honest I was not aware that Australia had a huge feral goat problem. FRTSBO, carnivores present a much graver biodiversity risk in general than herbivores do.

The be honest, I just added goats and donkeys to pad out the list. I was thinking more camels and horses as problem animals in large herds.

party_pants said:

dv said:

Well presumably some kind of dog like herding robot would be good for the goats.

To be honest I was not aware that Australia had a huge feral goat problem. FRTSBO, carnivores present a much graver biodiversity risk in general than herbivores do.

The be honest, I just added goats and donkeys to pad out the list. I was thinking more camels and horses as problem animals in large herds.

Sure, sure.

But seriously it would be weird if you couldn’t profitably collect and sell those animals.

• But seriously it would be weird if you couldn’t profitably collect and sell those animals.

I’ve been lead to believe that feral animals were riddled with parasites as compared to domesticated varieties…

dv said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

Well presumably some kind of dog like herding robot would be good for the goats.

To be honest I was not aware that Australia had a huge feral goat problem. FRTSBO, carnivores present a much graver biodiversity risk in general than herbivores do.

The be honest, I just added goats and donkeys to pad out the list. I was thinking more camels and horses as problem animals in large herds.

Sure, sure.

But seriously it would be weird if you couldn’t profitably collect and sell those animals.

If it could be done profitably, someone would already be doing it.

Right, well who is going to jump up and down when the so called responsible owners of pets are prosecuted according to the law when their dog or cat does something serious that their dog or cat cannot be held at fault for?

party_pants said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

The be honest, I just added goats and donkeys to pad out the list. I was thinking more camels and horses as problem animals in large herds.

Sure, sure.

But seriously it would be weird if you couldn’t profitably collect and sell those animals.

If it could be done profitably, someone would already be doing it.

Unless for instance there are bureaucratic obstacles.

roughbarked said:

Right, well who is going to jump up and down when the so called responsible owners of pets are prosecuted according to the law when their dog or cat does something serious that their dog or cat cannot be held at fault for?

I’ll jump up and down in glee if that’s what you mean.

Not seen PWM for a while. I hope he hasn’t been taken by a dingo.

Bubblecar said:

Not seen PWM for a while. I hope he hasn’t been taken by a dingo.

…was for Chat.

dv said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

Sure, sure.

But seriously it would be weird if you couldn’t profitably collect and sell those animals.

If it could be done profitably, someone would already be doing it.

Unless for instance there are bureaucratic obstacles.

Cat and dog skins were legal to be exported at one stage but theis is now illegal because certain disreputables were taking out people’s pets from their backyards to sell the skins.

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

Not seen PWM for a while. I hope he hasn’t been taken by a dingo.

…was for Chat.

But somewhat relevant here

dv said:

roughbarked said:

Right, well who is going to jump up and down when the so called responsible owners of pets are prosecuted according to the law when their dog or cat does something serious that their dog or cat cannot be held at fault for?

I’ll jump up and down in glee if that’s what you mean.

Me too.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

If it could be done profitably, someone would already be doing it.

Unless for instance there are bureaucratic obstacles.

Cat and dog skins were legal to be exported at one stage but theis is now illegal because certain disreputables were taking out people’s pets from their backyards to sell the skins.

I was specifically replying to a comment on camels and horses.

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

Not seen PWM for a while. I hope he hasn’t been taken by a dingo.

…was for Chat.

But somewhat relevant here

And nice chat/cat pun, take the rest of the day off.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Unless for instance there are bureaucratic obstacles.

Cat and dog skins were legal to be exported at one stage but theis is now illegal because certain disreputables were taking out people’s pets from their backyards to sell the skins.

I was specifically replying to a comment on camels and horses.

Missed that comment. I’ll have to read back.

dv said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

Sure, sure.

But seriously it would be weird if you couldn’t profitably collect and sell those animals.

If it could be done profitably, someone would already be doing it.

Unless for instance there are bureaucratic obstacles.

Feral goat catchin’ for some extra cash is a ‘thing’ round ‘ere in the Styx.

poikilotherm said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

If it could be done profitably, someone would already be doing it.

Unless for instance there are bureaucratic obstacles.

Feral goat catchin’ for some extra cash is a ‘thing’ round ‘ere in the Styx.

Sure is. Around here some contractor was given the job of cleaning up the goats on Scenic Hill. Dunno what he did but the goats are still there.

roughbarked said:

poikilotherm said:

dv said:

Unless for instance there are bureaucratic obstacles.

Feral goat catchin’ for some extra cash is a ‘thing’ round ‘ere in the Styx.

Sure is. Around here some contractor was given the job of cleaning up the goats on Scenic Hill. Dunno what he did but the goats are still there.

At the same time, property owners back of Bourke and Willcannia are flogging the last yards out of the land that they impoverished by overstocking with sheep and cattle, with herds of goats. It is big business out western NSW way. All of these properties have high local extinction rates of rare and endangered native species.

poikilotherm said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

If it could be done profitably, someone would already be doing it.

Unless for instance there are bureaucratic obstacles.

Feral goat catchin’ for some extra cash is a ‘thing’ round ‘ere in the Styx.

There are also a few people catching wild horses and camels, but they are well below the reproductive capacity of the animals. There is little interest in eradicating an environmental pest unless they also impact farmers (like the dingo and water buffalo).

PermeateFree said:

poikilotherm said:

dv said:

Unless for instance there are bureaucratic obstacles.

Feral goat catchin’ for some extra cash is a ‘thing’ round ‘ere in the Styx.

There are also a few people catching wild horses and camels, but they are well below the reproductive capacity of the animals. There is little interest in eradicating an environmental pest unless they also impact farmers (like the dingo and water buffalo).

The rabbit is on the rise again. I keep seeing commercial quantities for shooters. The shooters don’t seem to be hunting them.. What happened to the Akubra?

roughbarked said:

What happened to the Akubra?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-08/akubra-to-import-rabbit-fur/6603106

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

What happened to the Akubra?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-08/akubra-to-import-rabbit-fur/6603106

Yeah, I thought so. My point is that theere are an increasing number of rabbits and maybe there just isn’t enough money in it for the shooters.

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

What happened to the Akubra?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-08/akubra-to-import-rabbit-fur/6603106

Yeah, I thought so. My point is that theere are an increasing number of rabbits and maybe there just isn’t enough money in it for the shooters.

I suppose earlier on they could increase their value by selingl the whole rabbit for human consumption, whereas today they could not.

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-08/akubra-to-import-rabbit-fur/6603106

Yeah, I thought so. My point is that theere are an increasing number of rabbits and maybe there just isn’t enough money in it for the shooters.

I suppose earlier on they could increase their value by selingl the whole rabbit for human consumption, whereas today they could not.

If things get any worse they may have to shoot them for food.

Why aren’t rabbits farmed for pet food?

Divine Angel said:

Why aren’t rabbits farmed for pet food?

Because they’ll get out under the fence?

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

Yeah, I thought so. My point is that theere are an increasing number of rabbits and maybe there just isn’t enough money in it for the shooters.

I suppose earlier on they could increase their value by selingl the whole rabbit for human consumption, whereas today they could not.

If things get any worse they may have to shoot them for food.

Some butchers sell them $30 each or thereabouts

Divine Angel said:

Why aren’t rabbits farmed for pet food?

They are, but they are much bigger rabbits, more like a pet rabbit than a wild one. Keeping any rabbits in Qld is illegal, so farming wild ones would be meet with numerous complications.

PermeateFree said:

Divine Angel said:

Why aren’t rabbits farmed for pet food?

They are, but they are much bigger rabbits, more like a pet rabbit than a wild one. Keeping any rabbits in Qld is illegal, so farming wild ones would be meet with numerous complications.

I grew up with pet rabbits (in Sydney). Wish I could have pet bunnies here :(
Strangely enough, keeping cane toads is perfectly fine. Go figure.

Divine Angel said:

PermeateFree said:

Divine Angel said:

Why aren’t rabbits farmed for pet food?

They are, but they are much bigger rabbits, more like a pet rabbit than a wild one. Keeping any rabbits in Qld is illegal, so farming wild ones would be meet with numerous complications.

I grew up with pet rabbits (in Sydney). Wish I could have pet bunnies here :(
Strangely enough, keeping cane toads is perfectly fine. Go figure.

I know a lady in Newrybar who has a surplus of pet rabbits that if she doesn’t find something to do with soon, they’ll have her starving herself to feed them. She has about 30 or so.

roughbarked said:

I know a lady in Newrybar who has a surplus of pet rabbits that if she doesn’t find something to do with soon, they’ll have her starving herself to feed them. She has about 30 or so.

I’m sure no one would notice if I kept one or two…

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

I know a lady in Newrybar who has a surplus of pet rabbits that if she doesn’t find something to do with soon, they’ll have her starving herself to feed them. She has about 30 or so.

I’m sure no one would notice if I kept one or two…

She’s only what, 2.5 hours away from you?

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

I know a lady in Newrybar who has a surplus of pet rabbits that if she doesn’t find something to do with soon, they’ll have her starving herself to feed them. She has about 30 or so.

I’m sure no one would notice if I kept one or two…

The guy I was staying with didn’t want the chicory I planted at first but he now loves it because he reckons her rabbits love that in preference to any food offered them.

Divine Angel said:

PermeateFree said:

Divine Angel said:

Why aren’t rabbits farmed for pet food?

They are, but they are much bigger rabbits, more like a pet rabbit than a wild one. Keeping any rabbits in Qld is illegal, so farming wild ones would be meet with numerous complications.

I grew up with pet rabbits (in Sydney). Wish I could have pet bunnies here :(
Strangely enough, keeping cane toads is perfectly fine. Go figure.

Food rabbits are marketed as “Lapine” French for a female rabbit.

PermeateFree said:

Divine Angel said:

PermeateFree said:

They are, but they are much bigger rabbits, more like a pet rabbit than a wild one. Keeping any rabbits in Qld is illegal, so farming wild ones would be meet with numerous complications.

I grew up with pet rabbits (in Sydney). Wish I could have pet bunnies here :(
Strangely enough, keeping cane toads is perfectly fine. Go figure.

Food rabbits are marketed as “Lapine” French for a female rabbit.

The does are dear.

I’ve got two bunnies they love home dried apple peel

My view would be to design a number of bush robots that can be operated both at night and day and be controlled by monitoring

I don’t think its a good idea to spray chemicals onto cats which they lick off as some chemical reside might stay on the cat fur and the chemical kills other birds or animals that investigate dead cats

robots can be designed to seek cats only and identify them using multiple Identification methods

they have underwater robots killing star fish that eat corals

Id also be looking at ways for robots to deal with cane toads, and other unwanted species

Cymek said:

I’ve got two bunnies they love home dried apple peel

Plant some chicory. They’ll love you more.

CrazyNeutrino said:

My view would be to design a number of bush robots that can be operated both at night and day and be controlled by monitoring

I don’t think its a good idea to spray chemicals onto cats which they lick off as some chemical reside might stay on the cat fur and the chemical kills other birds or animals that investigate dead cats

robots can be designed to seek cats only and identify them using multiple Identification methods

they have underwater robots killing star fish that eat corals

Id also be looking at ways for robots to deal with cane toads, and other unwanted species

You are really underestimating the feline. Robots wouldn’t cut to the chase. Drones equipped with special sensors and cat seeking missiles may. For a short time. They’d need to be extremely silent and efficient. Cats would outhink them before they got started.

roughbarked said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

My view would be to design a number of bush robots that can be operated both at night and day and be controlled by monitoring

I don’t think its a good idea to spray chemicals onto cats which they lick off as some chemical reside might stay on the cat fur and the chemical kills other birds or animals that investigate dead cats

robots can be designed to seek cats only and identify them using multiple Identification methods

they have underwater robots killing star fish that eat corals

Id also be looking at ways for robots to deal with cane toads, and other unwanted species

You are really underestimating the feline. Robots wouldn’t cut to the chase. Drones equipped with special sensors and cat seeking missiles may. For a short time. They’d need to be extremely silent and efficient. Cats would outhink them before they got started.

sure I may be underestimating, but that means that more information is required to create a robot that can out think the cats

I dont have years of observation kills observing wild cats

someone would have to observe the wild cats first, design a robot around those observations, trial it, and to modify the robot as required

CrazyNeutrino said:

robots can be designed to seek cats only and identify them using multiple Identification methods

really, can they?

Seems a bit too technologically advanced for me. To identify a moving object as a cat, and then safely do something about them.

CrazyNeutrino said:

roughbarked said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

My view would be to design a number of bush robots that can be operated both at night and day and be controlled by monitoring

I don’t think its a good idea to spray chemicals onto cats which they lick off as some chemical reside might stay on the cat fur and the chemical kills other birds or animals that investigate dead cats

robots can be designed to seek cats only and identify them using multiple Identification methods

they have underwater robots killing star fish that eat corals

Id also be looking at ways for robots to deal with cane toads, and other unwanted species

You are really underestimating the feline. Robots wouldn’t cut to the chase. Drones equipped with special sensors and cat seeking missiles may. For a short time. They’d need to be extremely silent and efficient. Cats would outhink them before they got started.

sure I may be underestimating, but that means that more information is required to create a robot that can out think the cats

I dont have years of observation kills observing wild cats

someone would have to observe the wild cats first, design a robot around those observations, trial it, and to modify the robot as required

It is true that cats tend to follow same or similar paths while hunting in their territory. In the past I’d dig a hole next to the path and shoot the cat into it.

Trouble is, they learn and can sense such traps.

party_pants said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

robots can be designed to seek cats only and identify them using multiple Identification methods

really, can they?

Seems a bit too technologically advanced for me. To identify a moving object as a cat, and then safely do something about them.

Easy, just wookify it by inserting, “ you just design robots to seek cars only and indentify them using multiple identification methods”.

roughbarked said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

roughbarked said:

You are really underestimating the feline. Robots wouldn’t cut to the chase. Drones equipped with special sensors and cat seeking missiles may. For a short time. They’d need to be extremely silent and efficient. Cats would outhink them before they got started.

sure I may be underestimating, but that means that more information is required to create a robot that can out think the cats

I dont have years of observation kills observing wild cats

someone would have to observe the wild cats first, design a robot around those observations, trial it, and to modify the robot as required

It is true that cats tend to follow same or similar paths while hunting in their territory. In the past I’d dig a hole next to the path and shoot the cat into it.

Trouble is, they learn and can sense such traps.

Sounds incredibly silly. Why dig a hole at all? Just shoot the cat if you know the path it follows. Digging a hole is going to stamp your scent all over the place and cause disruption and all so you can shoot the cat into the hole?

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

sure I may be underestimating, but that means that more information is required to create a robot that can out think the cats

I dont have years of observation kills observing wild cats

someone would have to observe the wild cats first, design a robot around those observations, trial it, and to modify the robot as required

It is true that cats tend to follow same or similar paths while hunting in their territory. In the past I’d dig a hole next to the path and shoot the cat into it.

Trouble is, they learn and can sense such traps.

Sounds incredibly silly. Why dig a hole at all? Just shoot the cat if you know the path it follows. Digging a hole is going to stamp your scent all over the place and cause disruption and all so you can shoot the cat into the hole?

At first, the cats that came to my yard were silly enough to know that my scent was everywhere anyway. They thought that when I appeared to have left the scene, it was OK to move. They didn’t think at all, much longer after that.

party_pants said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

robots can be designed to seek cats only and identify them using multiple Identification methods

really, can they?

Seems a bit too technologically advanced for me. To identify a moving object as a cat, and then safely do something about them.

well they have robots that can identify star fish and kill it

why couldnt they design a robot for cat culls?

AwesomeO said:

Why dig a hole at all?

Makes it easier to bury the cat.

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

It is true that cats tend to follow same or similar paths while hunting in their territory. In the past I’d dig a hole next to the path and shoot the cat into it.

Trouble is, they learn and can sense such traps.

Sounds incredibly silly. Why dig a hole at all? Just shoot the cat if you know the path it follows. Digging a hole is going to stamp your scent all over the place and cause disruption and all so you can shoot the cat into the hole?

At first, the cats that came to my yard were silly enough to know that my scent was everywhere anyway. They thought that when I appeared to have left the scene, it was OK to move. They didn’t think at all, much longer after that.

Why are you digging a hole though? What’s the point?

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

sure I may be underestimating, but that means that more information is required to create a robot that can out think the cats

I dont have years of observation kills observing wild cats

someone would have to observe the wild cats first, design a robot around those observations, trial it, and to modify the robot as required

It is true that cats tend to follow same or similar paths while hunting in their territory. In the past I’d dig a hole next to the path and shoot the cat into it.

Trouble is, they learn and can sense such traps.

Sounds incredibly silly. Why dig a hole at all? Just shoot the cat if you know the path it follows. Digging a hole is going to stamp your scent all over the place and cause disruption and all so you can shoot the cat into the hole?

meh… why waste a bullet…

introduce wild german shepherds to eradicate the cats… (or at least chase them up trees…)

CrazyNeutrino said:

party_pants said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

robots can be designed to seek cats only and identify them using multiple Identification methods

really, can they?

Seems a bit too technologically advanced for me. To identify a moving object as a cat, and then safely do something about them.

well they have robots that can identify star fish and kill it

why couldnt they design a robot for cat culls?

The problems are expense and kill ratios matching that.

roughbarked said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

roughbarked said:

You are really underestimating the feline. Robots wouldn’t cut to the chase. Drones equipped with special sensors and cat seeking missiles may. For a short time. They’d need to be extremely silent and efficient. Cats would outhink them before they got started.

sure I may be underestimating, but that means that more information is required to create a robot that can out think the cats

I dont have years of observation kills observing wild cats

someone would have to observe the wild cats first, design a robot around those observations, trial it, and to modify the robot as required

It is true that cats tend to follow same or similar paths while hunting in their territory. In the past I’d dig a hole next to the path and shoot the cat into it.

Trouble is, they learn and can sense such traps.

Id avoid traps and have a series of robots that stalk and kill, these robots could also communicate locations and drive cats towards a robot that kills

but Im not a hunting expert

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

Sounds incredibly silly. Why dig a hole at all? Just shoot the cat if you know the path it follows. Digging a hole is going to stamp your scent all over the place and cause disruption and all so you can shoot the cat into the hole?

At first, the cats that came to my yard were silly enough to know that my scent was everywhere anyway. They thought that when I appeared to have left the scene, it was OK to move. They didn’t think at all, much longer after that.

Why are you digging a hole though? What’s the point?

see my last post.

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

Why dig a hole at all?

Makes it easier to bury the cat.

Riiigggghhttttt. You dig a hole next to the path then you shoot the cat and it falls into it so you can bury it. I call better than shenanigans, I call bullshit.

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

Why dig a hole at all?

Makes it easier to bury the cat.

Riiigggghhttttt. You dig a hole next to the path then you shoot the cat and it falls into it so you can bury it. I call better than shenanigans, I call bullshit.

i thought that was a given…

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

Why dig a hole at all?

Makes it easier to bury the cat.

Riiigggghhttttt. You dig a hole next to the path then you shoot the cat and it falls into it so you can bury it. I call better than shenanigans, I call bullshit.

You can call bullshit all you like. It ain’t gonna change the facts. Come and dig anywhere in my yard. You’ll find cat bones.

here is the link to the star fish robot

On Australia’s Great Barrier Reef, the Crown-of-thorns starfish is the scourge of the deep as it eats and destroys large swathes of coral and threatens the overall health of the reef. This starfish is proving difficult to find and eradicate with conventional methods, so Queensland University of Technology researchers have created a hunter-killer robot – dubbed the COTSbot – that’s designed to automatically search out and destroy these aquatic pests.

So give the Queensland University of Technology researchers another project, feral cats, then they deal with cane toads then the rest….

stumpy_seahorse said:

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

Makes it easier to bury the cat.

Riiigggghhttttt. You dig a hole next to the path then you shoot the cat and it falls into it so you can bury it. I call better than shenanigans, I call bullshit.

i thought that was a given…

Don’t listen to him. He doesn’t have a clue.. Curve I mean.

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

Makes it easier to bury the cat.

Riiigggghhttttt. You dig a hole next to the path then you shoot the cat and it falls into it so you can bury it. I call better than shenanigans, I call bullshit.

You can call bullshit all you like. It ain’t gonna change the facts. Come and dig anywhere in my yard. You’ll find cat bones.

You know that ain’t going to happen. And there is a world of difference between burying animals and what you proposed which is, you find a path where the cat goes, dig a hole wait till it passes by that hole and shoot it onto that hole. Most hunters, or indeed any skeptic would think why disrupt the animal track and cause it to be suspicious and modify its behaviour.

Nahhhh. Full of crap.

CrazyNeutrino said:

here is the link to the star fish robot

On Australia’s Great Barrier Reef, the Crown-of-thorns starfish is the scourge of the deep as it eats and destroys large swathes of coral and threatens the overall health of the reef. This starfish is proving difficult to find and eradicate with conventional methods, so Queensland University of Technology researchers have created a hunter-killer robot – dubbed the COTSbot – that’s designed to automatically search out and destroy these aquatic pests.

So give the Queensland University of Technology researchers another project, feral cats, then they deal with cane toads then the rest….

yes, because starfish can travel a couple of km/night in search of food like cats do…

face palm desk

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

here is the link to the star fish robot

On Australia’s Great Barrier Reef, the Crown-of-thorns starfish is the scourge of the deep as it eats and destroys large swathes of coral and threatens the overall health of the reef. This starfish is proving difficult to find and eradicate with conventional methods, so Queensland University of Technology researchers have created a hunter-killer robot – dubbed the COTSbot – that’s designed to automatically search out and destroy these aquatic pests.

So give the Queensland University of Technology researchers another project, feral cats, then they deal with cane toads then the rest….

yes, because starfish can travel a couple of km/night in search of food like cats do…

face palm desk

Which is why wookie would be telling you all about how drones can.

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

here is the link to the star fish robot

On Australia’s Great Barrier Reef, the Crown-of-thorns starfish is the scourge of the deep as it eats and destroys large swathes of coral and threatens the overall health of the reef. This starfish is proving difficult to find and eradicate with conventional methods, so Queensland University of Technology researchers have created a hunter-killer robot – dubbed the COTSbot – that’s designed to automatically search out and destroy these aquatic pests.

So give the Queensland University of Technology researchers another project, feral cats, then they deal with cane toads then the rest….

yes, because starfish can travel a couple of km/night in search of food like cats do…

face palm desk

A star fish has seem pretty easy prameters to program. Easier for a robot brain to work with a starfish than sorting out the difference between a cat and a numbat or bandicoot.

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

Riiigggghhttttt. You dig a hole next to the path then you shoot the cat and it falls into it so you can bury it. I call better than shenanigans, I call bullshit.

You can call bullshit all you like. It ain’t gonna change the facts. Come and dig anywhere in my yard. You’ll find cat bones.

You know that ain’t going to happen. And there is a world of difference between burying animals and what you proposed which is, you find a path where the cat goes, dig a hole wait till it passes by that hole and shoot it onto that hole. Most hunters, or indeed any skeptic would think why disrupt the animal track and cause it to be suspicious and modify its behaviour.

Nahhhh. Full of crap.

Look. I didn’t say that I got away with it for long. Cats are smart enough to sense why disturbances exist. If there is cat’s blood I didn’t bury or if they can smell the buried cat, I don’t know but it is true that I did get a number of cats this way. Speed of removal of evidence was important and as for the cat sensing me, as I said. They can’t miss my scent all over the yard. I’m always digging holes. There is nothing the cat hasn’t seen and grown accustomed to.

CrazyNeutrino said:

party_pants said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

robots can be designed to seek cats only and identify them using multiple Identification methods

really, can they?

Seems a bit too technologically advanced for me. To identify a moving object as a cat, and then safely do something about them.

well they have robots that can identify star fish and kill it

why couldnt they design a robot for cat culls?

Cats move a bit quicker than starfish

CrazyNeutrino said:

roughbarked said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

sure I may be underestimating, but that means that more information is required to create a robot that can out think the cats

I dont have years of observation kills observing wild cats

someone would have to observe the wild cats first, design a robot around those observations, trial it, and to modify the robot as required

It is true that cats tend to follow same or similar paths while hunting in their territory. In the past I’d dig a hole next to the path and shoot the cat into it.

Trouble is, they learn and can sense such traps.

Id avoid traps and have a series of robots that stalk and kill, these robots could also communicate locations and drive cats towards a robot that kills

but Im not a hunting expert

Herding cats…………..interesting.

AwesomeO said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

here is the link to the star fish robot

On Australia’s Great Barrier Reef, the Crown-of-thorns starfish is the scourge of the deep as it eats and destroys large swathes of coral and threatens the overall health of the reef. This starfish is proving difficult to find and eradicate with conventional methods, so Queensland University of Technology researchers have created a hunter-killer robot – dubbed the COTSbot – that’s designed to automatically search out and destroy these aquatic pests.

So give the Queensland University of Technology researchers another project, feral cats, then they deal with cane toads then the rest….

yes, because starfish can travel a couple of km/night in search of food like cats do…

face palm desk

A star fish has seem pretty easy prameters to program. Easier for a robot brain to work with a starfish than sorting out the difference between a cat and a numbat or bandicoot.

Yes but the robot or drone only has to dart it, bag it and test for DNA before annihilating it.

PermeateFree said:

Herding cats…………..interesting.

Bit too complicated for robots.

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

here is the link to the star fish robot

On Australia’s Great Barrier Reef, the Crown-of-thorns starfish is the scourge of the deep as it eats and destroys large swathes of coral and threatens the overall health of the reef. This starfish is proving difficult to find and eradicate with conventional methods, so Queensland University of Technology researchers have created a hunter-killer robot – dubbed the COTSbot – that’s designed to automatically search out and destroy these aquatic pests.

So give the Queensland University of Technology researchers another project, feral cats, then they deal with cane toads then the rest….

yes, because starfish can travel a couple of km/night in search of food like cats do…

face palm desk

and when they do develop a robot for cats Ill post it here

What is so difficult about it?

they developed the star fish robot

a set of algorithms based on careful observations on wild cat behavior and programmed into the cat cull robot

sure it will take a few years to develop

Ideas have to start somewhere

Its not impossible

I say it can be done

of course it might be difficult to have “Nay Sayers” on the development team

AwesomeO said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

here is the link to the star fish robot

On Australia’s Great Barrier Reef, the Crown-of-thorns starfish is the scourge of the deep as it eats and destroys large swathes of coral and threatens the overall health of the reef. This starfish is proving difficult to find and eradicate with conventional methods, so Queensland University of Technology researchers have created a hunter-killer robot – dubbed the COTSbot – that’s designed to automatically search out and destroy these aquatic pests.

So give the Queensland University of Technology researchers another project, feral cats, then they deal with cane toads then the rest….

yes, because starfish can travel a couple of km/night in search of food like cats do…

face palm desk

A star fish has seem pretty easy prameters to program. Easier for a robot brain to work with a starfish than sorting out the difference between a cat and a numbat or bandicoot.

Its a starting point

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

You can call bullshit all you like. It ain’t gonna change the facts. Come and dig anywhere in my yard. You’ll find cat bones.

You know that ain’t going to happen. And there is a world of difference between burying animals and what you proposed which is, you find a path where the cat goes, dig a hole wait till it passes by that hole and shoot it onto that hole. Most hunters, or indeed any skeptic would think why disrupt the animal track and cause it to be suspicious and modify its behaviour.

Nahhhh. Full of crap.

Look. I didn’t say that I got away with it for long. Cats are smart enough to sense why disturbances exist. If there is cat’s blood I didn’t bury or if they can smell the buried cat, I don’t know but it is true that I did get a number of cats this way. Speed of removal of evidence was important and as for the cat sensing me, as I said. They can’t miss my scent all over the yard. I’m always digging holes. There is nothing the cat hasn’t seen and grown accustomed to.

Nup, not buying your silly stories. Shoot the cat, put it in a bag, take it away. Work of seconds. Bury at your leisure, put it in a bin. Whatever.

Digging holes next to the track and shooting the cat into it. Spreading your smell all over and creating a disturbance. There is no upside. It is all downside. Doesnt fly.

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

here is the link to the star fish robot

On Australia’s Great Barrier Reef, the Crown-of-thorns starfish is the scourge of the deep as it eats and destroys large swathes of coral and threatens the overall health of the reef. This starfish is proving difficult to find and eradicate with conventional methods, so Queensland University of Technology researchers have created a hunter-killer robot – dubbed the COTSbot – that’s designed to automatically search out and destroy these aquatic pests.

So give the Queensland University of Technology researchers another project, feral cats, then they deal with cane toads then the rest….

yes, because starfish can travel a couple of km/night in search of food like cats do…

face palm desk

and when they do develop a robot for cats Ill post it here

What is so difficult about it?

they developed the star fish robot

a set of algorithms based on careful observations on wild cat behavior and programmed into the cat cull robot

sure it will take a few years to develop

Ideas have to start somewhere

Its not impossible

I say it can be done

of course it might be difficult to have “Nay Sayers” on the development team

Design me a robot that can get about in the bush on its own without falling over or becoming stuck, for a whole week, before thinking about adding on cat identification software, let alone packing anything to kill it with. You’ll be surprised just how hard that is.

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

You know that ain’t going to happen. And there is a world of difference between burying animals and what you proposed which is, you find a path where the cat goes, dig a hole wait till it passes by that hole and shoot it onto that hole. Most hunters, or indeed any skeptic would think why disrupt the animal track and cause it to be suspicious and modify its behaviour.

Nahhhh. Full of crap.

Look. I didn’t say that I got away with it for long. Cats are smart enough to sense why disturbances exist. If there is cat’s blood I didn’t bury or if they can smell the buried cat, I don’t know but it is true that I did get a number of cats this way. Speed of removal of evidence was important and as for the cat sensing me, as I said. They can’t miss my scent all over the yard. I’m always digging holes. There is nothing the cat hasn’t seen and grown accustomed to.

Nup, not buying your silly stories. Shoot the cat, put it in a bag, take it away. Work of seconds. Bury at your leisure, put it in a bin. Whatever.

Digging holes next to the track and shooting the cat into it. Spreading your smell all over and creating a disturbance. There is no upside. It is all downside. Doesnt fly.

Why the fuck do I want to be carrying dead and bloody cats around in bags. Are you stark raving or something?

Wild cats have distinct territories and if there is a reliable food source within it, will return time and time again until they have either eaten the lot or can no longer catch them, but if the latter they will give it a miss for a few days before returning, no doubt hoping they can catch any survivors by surprise. This is what makes them such good hunters and how they can cause native animals to go extinct.

party_pants said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

yes, because starfish can travel a couple of km/night in search of food like cats do…

face palm desk

and when they do develop a robot for cats Ill post it here

What is so difficult about it?

they developed the star fish robot

a set of algorithms based on careful observations on wild cat behavior and programmed into the cat cull robot

sure it will take a few years to develop

Ideas have to start somewhere

Its not impossible

I say it can be done

of course it might be difficult to have “Nay Sayers” on the development team

Design me a robot that can get about in the bush on its own without falling over or becoming stuck, for a whole week, before thinking about adding on cat identification software, let alone packing anything to kill it with. You’ll be surprised just how hard that is.

I did try to tell him to shift his concentration to drones.. Didn’t get noticed.

PermeateFree said:

Wild cats have distinct territories and if there is a reliable food source within it, will return time and time again until they have either eaten the lot or can no longer catch them, but if the latter they will give it a miss for a few days before returning, no doubt hoping they can catch any survivors by surprise. This is what makes them such good hunters and how they can cause native animals to go extinct.

Which is also why a careful person can dig a hole and shoot a cat into it and finish up by covering over.

I haven’t read the whole thread, well I haven’t read any of it but I think Cats was gay and Andrew Lloyd Webber is suspect.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

and when they do develop a robot for cats Ill post it here

What is so difficult about it?

they developed the star fish robot

a set of algorithms based on careful observations on wild cat behavior and programmed into the cat cull robot

sure it will take a few years to develop

Ideas have to start somewhere

Its not impossible

I say it can be done

of course it might be difficult to have “Nay Sayers” on the development team

Design me a robot that can get about in the bush on its own without falling over or becoming stuck, for a whole week, before thinking about adding on cat identification software, let alone packing anything to kill it with. You’ll be surprised just how hard that is.

I did try to tell him to shift his concentration to drones.. Didn’t get noticed.

I don’t think that simplifies the problem much.

when designing things

you break the design down into components

ie

years of feral cat observations

a robot

a kill delivery method

controls and preventative methods to not kill native animals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8YjvHYbZ9w

Peak Warming Man said:

I haven’t read the whole thread, well I haven’t read any of it but I think Cats was gay and Andrew Lloyd Webber is suspect.

:)

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

Design me a robot that can get about in the bush on its own without falling over or becoming stuck, for a whole week, before thinking about adding on cat identification software, let alone packing anything to kill it with. You’ll be surprised just how hard that is.

I did try to tell him to shift his concentration to drones.. Didn’t get noticed.

I don’t think that simplifies the problem much.

Possibly not but it would be a better direction than robots on the ground.

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

Look. I didn’t say that I got away with it for long. Cats are smart enough to sense why disturbances exist. If there is cat’s blood I didn’t bury or if they can smell the buried cat, I don’t know but it is true that I did get a number of cats this way. Speed of removal of evidence was important and as for the cat sensing me, as I said. They can’t miss my scent all over the yard. I’m always digging holes. There is nothing the cat hasn’t seen and grown accustomed to.

Nup, not buying your silly stories. Shoot the cat, put it in a bag, take it away. Work of seconds. Bury at your leisure, put it in a bin. Whatever.

Digging holes next to the track and shooting the cat into it. Spreading your smell all over and creating a disturbance. There is no upside. It is all downside. Doesnt fly.

Why the fuck do I want to be carrying dead and bloody cats around in bags. Are you stark raving or something?

Hehehe, sounding desperate. Even in your best case scenario of bullshit, you would shoot the cat, then bury it, even right next to the path if for some reason you are so desperate to do so.

But instead numpty, you want me to believe that you know that cats path, decided to dig a hole right next to it, prayed it didn’t change the cats behaviour, all so, the only reason, when you shot it, it fell into the hole.

Gimme a fucking break. You are telling tall tales again.

Peak Warming Man said:

I haven’t read the whole thread, well I haven’t read any of it but I think Cats was gay and Andrew Lloyd Webber is suspect.

and the cat wagon crashed at bathurst…

CrazyNeutrino said:

when designing things

you break the design down into components

ie

years of feral cat observations

a robot

a kill delivery method

controls and preventative methods to not kill native animals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8YjvHYbZ9w

OK
I’ve suggested it before.

Any cat is attracted to a lure. A death adder uses its tail to lure lizards and suchlike to within striking distance.

If your death adder robot can recognise a cat then all good.

Otherwise it is going to have to immobilise anything attracted to the lure until it can ID the DNA. Then deliver or not, the death blow.

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

Nup, not buying your silly stories. Shoot the cat, put it in a bag, take it away. Work of seconds. Bury at your leisure, put it in a bin. Whatever.

Digging holes next to the track and shooting the cat into it. Spreading your smell all over and creating a disturbance. There is no upside. It is all downside. Doesnt fly.

Why the fuck do I want to be carrying dead and bloody cats around in bags. Are you stark raving or something?

Hehehe, sounding desperate. Even in your best case scenario of bullshit, you would shoot the cat, then bury it, even right next to the path if for some reason you are so desperate to do so.

But instead numpty, you want me to believe that you know that cats path, decided to dig a hole right next to it, prayed it didn’t change the cats behaviour, all so, the only reason, when you shot it, it fell into the hole.

Gimme a fucking break. You are telling tall tales again.

Clearly you have never hunted cats. Why don’t you just shut the fuck up?

stumpy_seahorse said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I haven’t read the whole thread, well I haven’t read any of it but I think Cats was gay and Andrew Lloyd Webber is suspect.

and the cat wagon crashed at bathurst…

The member for Launceston is warned.

Peak Warming Man said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I haven’t read the whole thread, well I haven’t read any of it but I think Cats was gay and Andrew Lloyd Webber is suspect.

and the cat wagon crashed at bathurst…

The member for Launceston is warned.

good luck trying to squeeze $25K out of me.. youd have more luck shooting a cat into a hole…

thank fully there are some scientists that like a design challenge

too many people think the overall problem is insurmountable

you break the overall problem down into separate components

give a team one task, give another team another task etc

then bring all the research together

obviously that robot is just one example, there are others

the robot will need to be camouflaged

it will need to be smaller and to be faster etc

stumpy_seahorse said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I haven’t read the whole thread, well I haven’t read any of it but I think Cats was gay and Andrew Lloyd Webber is suspect.

and the cat wagon crashed at bathurst…

$25,000 fine

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Wild cats have distinct territories and if there is a reliable food source within it, will return time and time again until they have either eaten the lot or can no longer catch them, but if the latter they will give it a miss for a few days before returning, no doubt hoping they can catch any survivors by surprise. This is what makes them such good hunters and how they can cause native animals to go extinct.

Which is also why a careful person can dig a hole and shoot a cat into it and finish up by covering over.

Cats find the scent of other cats irresistible and will have to investigate. There was one cat I had tried to catch for 2-3 years, but without success. I found its paw prints in some soft sand where due to dense vegetation it had to go. I set a rabbit trap there and after a few days I caught it and shoot it there and then. I buried the cat and packed away the trap, but the next day there was another cat paw print going through the same narrow path. I set the trap again and the next night caught that one too.

Thinking I might be onto a good thing I set the trap again and to my surprise caught yet another cat. All in all I caught 5 cats in little over a week, most I had not seen before and did not realise were in the area. Wish I could repeat that victory, but alas the bastards are just too wary. However, cats being curious came to see what had happened to one of their number.

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

Why the fuck do I want to be carrying dead and bloody cats around in bags. Are you stark raving or something?

Hehehe, sounding desperate. Even in your best case scenario of bullshit, you would shoot the cat, then bury it, even right next to the path if for some reason you are so desperate to do so.

But instead numpty, you want me to believe that you know that cats path, decided to dig a hole right next to it, prayed it didn’t change the cats behaviour, all so, the only reason, when you shot it, it fell into the hole.

Gimme a fucking break. You are telling tall tales again.

Clearly you have never hunted cats. Why don’t you just shut the fuck up?

You keep inviting a response?

CrazyNeutrino said:

thank fully there are some scientists that like a design challenge

too many people think the overall problem is insurmountable

you break the overall problem down into separate components

give a team one task, give another team another task etc

then bring all the research together

obviously that robot is just one example, there are others

the robot will need to be camouflaged

it will need to be smaller and to be faster etc

There is one already. It paints the cat with a toxin that the cat later ingests by licking its fur.

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Wild cats have distinct territories and if there is a reliable food source within it, will return time and time again until they have either eaten the lot or can no longer catch them, but if the latter they will give it a miss for a few days before returning, no doubt hoping they can catch any survivors by surprise. This is what makes them such good hunters and how they can cause native animals to go extinct.

Which is also why a careful person can dig a hole and shoot a cat into it and finish up by covering over.

Cats find the scent of other cats irresistible and will have to investigate. There was one cat I had tried to catch for 2-3 years, but without success. I found its paw prints in some soft sand where due to dense vegetation it had to go. I set a rabbit trap there and after a few days I caught it and shoot it there and then. I buried the cat and packed away the trap, but the next day there was another cat paw print going through the same narrow path. I set the trap again and the next night caught that one too.

Thinking I might be onto a good thing I set the trap again and to my surprise caught yet another cat. All in all I caught 5 cats in little over a week, most I had not seen before and did not realise were in the area. Wish I could repeat that victory, but alas the bastards are just too wary. However, cats being curious came to see what had happened to one of their number.

Then change tactics

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

Hehehe, sounding desperate. Even in your best case scenario of bullshit, you would shoot the cat, then bury it, even right next to the path if for some reason you are so desperate to do so.

But instead numpty, you want me to believe that you know that cats path, decided to dig a hole right next to it, prayed it didn’t change the cats behaviour, all so, the only reason, when you shot it, it fell into the hole.

Gimme a fucking break. You are telling tall tales again.

Clearly you have never hunted cats. Why don’t you just shut the fuck up?

You keep inviting a response?

No. Your attitude is provocating.

roughbarked said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

thank fully there are some scientists that like a design challenge

too many people think the overall problem is insurmountable

you break the overall problem down into separate components

give a team one task, give another team another task etc

then bring all the research together

obviously that robot is just one example, there are others

the robot will need to be camouflaged

it will need to be smaller and to be faster etc

There is one already. It paints the cat with a toxin that the cat later ingests by licking its fur.

alright then, the robots could use that

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Wild cats have distinct territories and if there is a reliable food source within it, will return time and time again until they have either eaten the lot or can no longer catch them, but if the latter they will give it a miss for a few days before returning, no doubt hoping they can catch any survivors by surprise. This is what makes them such good hunters and how they can cause native animals to go extinct.

Which is also why a careful person can dig a hole and shoot a cat into it and finish up by covering over.

Cats find the scent of other cats irresistible and will have to investigate. There was one cat I had tried to catch for 2-3 years, but without success. I found its paw prints in some soft sand where due to dense vegetation it had to go. I set a rabbit trap there and after a few days I caught it and shoot it there and then. I buried the cat and packed away the trap, but the next day there was another cat paw print going through the same narrow path. I set the trap again and the next night caught that one too.

Thinking I might be onto a good thing I set the trap again and to my surprise caught yet another cat. All in all I caught 5 cats in little over a week, most I had not seen before and did not realise were in the area. Wish I could repeat that victory, but alas the bastards are just too wary. However, cats being curious came to see what had happened to one of their number.

Yeah.

It isn’t rocket science.

More robots from Boston Dynamics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e9QzIkP5qI

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

Clearly you have never hunted cats. Why don’t you just shut the fuck up?

You keep inviting a response?

No. Your attitude is provocating.

Tell me nuffy, after you dug this hole next to the path, if the cat is close to the hole, but possibly disturbed by its sudden presence, just outside of falling into it distance, do you still take the shot? Or is it important that it topples into the hole. Hehehehe.

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

You keep inviting a response?

No. Your attitude is provocating.

Tell me nuffy, after you dug this hole next to the path, if the cat is close to the hole, but possibly disturbed by its sudden presence, just outside of falling into it distance, do you still take the shot? Or is it important that it topples into the hole. Hehehehe.

Jesus wept. They don’t a;lways land in the hole. That part was always wishful thinking but it is only a swipe with the shovel and it is in the bottom of the hole and gone. Why would I want to trek around the country with the cat on a bag?

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

No. Your attitude is provocating.

Tell me nuffy, after you dug this hole next to the path, if the cat is close to the hole, but possibly disturbed by its sudden presence, just outside of falling into it distance, do you still take the shot? Or is it important that it topples into the hole. Hehehehe.

Jesus wept. They don’t a;lways land in the hole. That part was always wishful thinking but it is only a swipe with the shovel and it is in the bottom of the hole and gone. Why would I want to trek around the country with the cat on a bag?

it’s easier than trekking around the country with a cat on a hot tin roof…

stumpy_seahorse said:

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

Tell me nuffy, after you dug this hole next to the path, if the cat is close to the hole, but possibly disturbed by its sudden presence, just outside of falling into it distance, do you still take the shot? Or is it important that it topples into the hole. Hehehehe.

Jesus wept. They don’t always land in the hole. That part was always wishful thinking but it is only a swipe with the shovel and it is in the bottom of the hole and gone. Why would I want to trek around the country with the cat on a bag?

it’s easier than trekking around the country with a cat on a hot tin roof…

That would be true. However I had no need to do that. It was circumspect that I do the job quickly and cleanly.

CrazyNeutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

Which is also why a careful person can dig a hole and shoot a cat into it and finish up by covering over.

Cats find the scent of other cats irresistible and will have to investigate. There was one cat I had tried to catch for 2-3 years, but without success. I found its paw prints in some soft sand where due to dense vegetation it had to go. I set a rabbit trap there and after a few days I caught it and shoot it there and then. I buried the cat and packed away the trap, but the next day there was another cat paw print going through the same narrow path. I set the trap again and the next night caught that one too.

Thinking I might be onto a good thing I set the trap again and to my surprise caught yet another cat. All in all I caught 5 cats in little over a week, most I had not seen before and did not realise were in the area. Wish I could repeat that victory, but alas the bastards are just too wary. However, cats being curious came to see what had happened to one of their number.

Then change tactics

Feral cats in the bush are extremely difficult to catch as they usually move away when they know you are moving around, so you rarely get a chance to spot their eye reflection. I am now trialling a dog who is very fast and has a good nose to track down cats and foxes. She has certainly kept them out of the area, especially the foxes, although the two cats (male and female) who occupied the area sneak in occasionally, but due to the threat of the dog, do not have much time to hunt. Hopefully the dog will help protect the small animals that were being decimated previously and with limited observation, it seems to be working.

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

No. Your attitude is provocating.

Tell me nuffy, after you dug this hole next to the path, if the cat is close to the hole, but possibly disturbed by its sudden presence, just outside of falling into it distance, do you still take the shot? Or is it important that it topples into the hole. Hehehehe.

Jesus wept. They don’t a;lways land in the hole. That part was always wishful thinking but it is only a swipe with the shovel and it is in the bottom of the hole and gone. Why would I want to trek around the country with the cat on a bag?

reductio ad absurdum

rather than an overall abstract concept like wookie is great at coming up with

this cat cull robot project would have to start off from scratch

it isn’t an off the shelve solution

You define the problem then bring all the known separate parts into discussion

ie feral cat behavior, feral cat observation, robots, kill method, safety and preventative measures for humans and native animals

you break the overall problem into separate parts

it would require research and observation and development

sorry to rant on about it

but I think its possible in the near future

CrazyNeutrino said:

rather than an overall abstract concept like wookie is great at coming up with

Wookie does what now?

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

Tell me nuffy, after you dug this hole next to the path, if the cat is close to the hole, but possibly disturbed by its sudden presence, just outside of falling into it distance, do you still take the shot? Or is it important that it topples into the hole. Hehehehe.

Jesus wept. They don’t a;lways land in the hole. That part was always wishful thinking but it is only a swipe with the shovel and it is in the bottom of the hole and gone. Why would I want to trek around the country with the cat on a bag?

reductio ad absurdum

I don’t care. I got rid of the cats and managed to rebuild an ecosystem. You didn’t matter then and don’t matter now.

PermeateFree said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

Cats find the scent of other cats irresistible and will have to investigate. There was one cat I had tried to catch for 2-3 years, but without success. I found its paw prints in some soft sand where due to dense vegetation it had to go. I set a rabbit trap there and after a few days I caught it and shoot it there and then. I buried the cat and packed away the trap, but the next day there was another cat paw print going through the same narrow path. I set the trap again and the next night caught that one too.

Thinking I might be onto a good thing I set the trap again and to my surprise caught yet another cat. All in all I caught 5 cats in little over a week, most I had not seen before and did not realise were in the area. Wish I could repeat that victory, but alas the bastards are just too wary. However, cats being curious came to see what had happened to one of their number.

Then change tactics

Feral cats in the bush are extremely difficult to catch as they usually move away when they know you are moving around, so you rarely get a chance to spot their eye reflection. I am now trialling a dog who is very fast and has a good nose to track down cats and foxes. She has certainly kept them out of the area, especially the foxes, although the two cats (male and female) who occupied the area sneak in occasionally, but due to the threat of the dog, do not have much time to hunt. Hopefully the dog will help protect the small animals that were being decimated previously and with limited observation, it seems to be working.

robots can be designed to be scent free

drones could help too cat eyes reflect light so drones could easily search with infrared or other frequencies sensitive to cat eyes

CrazyNeutrino said:

rather than an overall abstract concept like wookie is great at coming up with

this cat cull robot project would have to start off from scratch

it isn’t an off the shelve solution

You define the problem then bring all the known separate parts into discussion

ie feral cat behavior, feral cat observation, robots, kill method, safety and preventative measures for humans and native animals

you break the overall problem into separate parts

it would require research and observation and development

sorry to rant on about it

but I think its possible in the near future

you’re right.. scientists will surely shelve this solution..

CrazyNeutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Then change tactics

Feral cats in the bush are extremely difficult to catch as they usually move away when they know you are moving around, so you rarely get a chance to spot their eye reflection. I am now trialling a dog who is very fast and has a good nose to track down cats and foxes. She has certainly kept them out of the area, especially the foxes, although the two cats (male and female) who occupied the area sneak in occasionally, but due to the threat of the dog, do not have much time to hunt. Hopefully the dog will help protect the small animals that were being decimated previously and with limited observation, it seems to be working.

robots can be designed to be scent free

drones could help too cat eyes reflect light so drones could easily search with infrared or other frequencies sensitive to cat eyes

yep…

it’s not like any other animals’ eyes reflect light…

face desk wall

stumpy_seahorse said:

yep…

it’s not like any other animals’ eyes reflect light…

face desk wall

Surely you’ve been out with a spotty at night at some time in your life. You know they are all different in the light.

If you are out there shooting foxes you’ll only shoot at those eyes.

I think the best solution would be an engineered virus that attacks felines. Registered or owned cats would get an immunisation or booster shot.

AwesomeO said:

I think the best solution would be an engineered virus that attacks felines. Registered or owned cats would get an immunisation or booster shot.

I think that, or something very similar is the only solution.

AwesomeO said:

I think the best solution would be an engineered virus that attacks felines. Registered or owned cats would get an immunisation or booster shot.

A particularly virulent form of feline enteritus. Don’t know why it hasn’t been done decades past.

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

rather than an overall abstract concept like wookie is great at coming up with

this cat cull robot project would have to start off from scratch

it isn’t an off the shelve solution

You define the problem then bring all the known separate parts into discussion

ie feral cat behavior, feral cat observation, robots, kill method, safety and preventative measures for humans and native animals

you break the overall problem into separate parts

it would require research and observation and development

sorry to rant on about it

but I think its possible in the near future

you’re right.. scientists will surely shelve this solution..

Healthy skepticism stumpy.

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

I think the best solution would be an engineered virus that attacks felines. Registered or owned cats would get an immunisation or booster shot.

A particularly virulent form of feline enteritus. Don’t know why it hasn’t been done decades past.

Highly vocal cat lovers.

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

rather than an overall abstract concept like wookie is great at coming up with

this cat cull robot project would have to start off from scratch

it isn’t an off the shelve solution

You define the problem then bring all the known separate parts into discussion

ie feral cat behavior, feral cat observation, robots, kill method, safety and preventative measures for humans and native animals

you break the overall problem into separate parts

it would require research and observation and development

sorry to rant on about it

but I think its possible in the near future

you’re right.. scientists will surely shelve this solution..

Healthy skepticism stumpy.

just agreeing with what you said… ^^

however, cat eyes are unique to cats

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

rather than an overall abstract concept like wookie is great at coming up with

this cat cull robot project would have to start off from scratch

it isn’t an off the shelve solution

You define the problem then bring all the known separate parts into discussion

ie feral cat behavior, feral cat observation, robots, kill method, safety and preventative measures for humans and native animals

you break the overall problem into separate parts

it would require research and observation and development

sorry to rant on about it

but I think its possible in the near future

you’re right.. scientists will surely shelve this solution..

Healthy skepticism stumpy.

look CN. I’ve already told you that the work has been done on painting the cats via a death adder type robot. They’d get better results if they used an active lure.

CrazyNeutrino said:

however, cat eyes are unique to cats

I didn’t say they weren’t.

roughbarked said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

however, cat eyes are unique to cats

I didn’t say they weren’t.

neither did I

The other thing that would help is if every council had a ranger that placed traps every night. Feral or unclaimed cats would be killed. Claimed cats would cop the owner a fine which would be an incentive to keep them in of a night. I think a sustained effort like that from every council would make a difference even in the suburbs.

roughbarked said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

you’re right.. scientists will surely shelve this solution..

Healthy skepticism stumpy.

look CN. I’ve already told you that the work has been done on painting the cats via a death adder type robot. They’d get better results if they used an active lure.

alright, I give up, pass the problem onto Wookie

Im sure he will will come up with an off the shelf solution

AwesomeO said:

The other thing that would help is if every council had a ranger that placed traps every night. Feral or unclaimed cats would be killed. Claimed cats would cop the owner a fine which would be an incentive to keep them in of a night. I think a sustained effort like that from every council would make a difference even in the suburbs.

The endangered wildlife are rarely around urban areas. The biggest problem in further out in the bush, where most feral cats will not go near a cage trap.

AwesomeO said:

The other thing that would help is if every council had a ranger that placed traps every night. Feral or unclaimed cats would be killed. Claimed cats would cop the owner a fine which would be an incentive to keep them in of a night. I think a sustained effort like that from every council would make a difference even in the suburbs.

There is one municipal council in Australia that does this. Correct me if I’m wrong please.

PermeateFree said:

AwesomeO said:

The other thing that would help is if every council had a ranger that placed traps every night. Feral or unclaimed cats would be killed. Claimed cats would cop the owner a fine which would be an incentive to keep them in of a night. I think a sustained effort like that from every council would make a difference even in the suburbs.

The endangered wildlife are rarely around urban areas. The biggest problem in further out in the bush, where most feral cats will not go near a cage trap.

yep.

PermeateFree said:

AwesomeO said:

The other thing that would help is if every council had a ranger that placed traps every night. Feral or unclaimed cats would be killed. Claimed cats would cop the owner a fine which would be an incentive to keep them in of a night. I think a sustained effort like that from every council would make a difference even in the suburbs.

The endangered wildlife are rarely around urban areas. The biggest problem in further out in the bush, where most feral cats will not go near a cage trap.

It would still take the pressure off natives that live in the burbs like bluetongues, plover chicks, frogs and others. I live in rural and it would help around here as well. And not that expensive to implement, traps x 2, and part of the Rangers duties or delegate one of the outside workers to set just before knock off, check and move in the morning. Part of the lesson would be people getting fees. It all helps.

AwesomeO said:

PermeateFree said:

AwesomeO said:

The other thing that would help is if every council had a ranger that placed traps every night. Feral or unclaimed cats would be killed. Claimed cats would cop the owner a fine which would be an incentive to keep them in of a night. I think a sustained effort like that from every council would make a difference even in the suburbs.

The endangered wildlife are rarely around urban areas. The biggest problem in further out in the bush, where most feral cats will not go near a cage trap.

It would still take the pressure off natives that live in the burbs like bluetongues, plover chicks, frogs and others. I live in rural and it would help around here as well. And not that expensive to implement, traps x 2, and part of the Rangers duties or delegate one of the outside workers to set just before knock off, check and move in the morning. Part of the lesson would be people getting fees. It all helps.

True, it is encouraging that some councils already do this and I am all for it. Cat control in Australia is complex, made worse by people who either have no idea what cats are doing to the environment or simply don’t care, although they are highly vocal if you try to do something about it.

I did read an article about cats in SA

here

Compulsory desexing of dogs and cats in South Australia to be considered by citizens’ jury

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/compulsory-desexing-of-dogs-and-cats-in-south-australia-to-be-considered-by-citizens-jury/story-fni6uo1m-1227364256762?sv=605cd920b30e12fa94adefe3ac94bfe4&nk=a839aab66ce364423aef6aab09431a41-1444900498

CrazyNeutrino said:

I did read an article about cats in SA

here

Compulsory desexing of dogs and cats in South Australia to be considered by citizens’ jury

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/compulsory-desexing-of-dogs-and-cats-in-south-australia-to-be-considered-by-citizens-jury/story-fni6uo1m-1227364256762?sv=605cd920b30e12fa94adefe3ac94bfe4&nk=a839aab66ce364423aef6aab09431a41-1444900498

I guess some cat and dog breeders over there in SA might be concerned

but what is the situation with other States concerning laws of desexing of cats and dogs?

CrazyNeutrino said:

rather than an overall abstract concept like wookie is great at coming up with

this cat cull robot project would have to start off from scratch

it isn’t an off the shelve solution

You define the problem then bring all the known separate parts into discussion

ie feral cat behavior, feral cat observation, robots, kill method, safety and preventative measures for humans and native animals

you break the overall problem into separate parts

it would require research and observation and development

sorry to rant on about it

but I think its possible in the near future

Ok, perhaps some kind of fixed set-and-forget contraption. Forget movement. Go out into the bush, set it up, come back a week later to check up on it, reload it, or pack it up and move to the next spot.

Device would somehow need to attract cats to it, lure them in. Something irrestible to cats, maybe some kind of lure that triggers their hunting instinct.

I’m unsure of the killing mechanism however. Have to be safe for passers-by and other wildlife. Safe for the operator. Safe from meddling by kids or falling into the worng hands. To me that rules out any sort of gun and regular ammo.

party_pants said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

rather than an overall abstract concept like wookie is great at coming up with

this cat cull robot project would have to start off from scratch

it isn’t an off the shelve solution

You define the problem then bring all the known separate parts into discussion

ie feral cat behavior, feral cat observation, robots, kill method, safety and preventative measures for humans and native animals

you break the overall problem into separate parts

it would require research and observation and development

sorry to rant on about it

but I think its possible in the near future

Ok, perhaps some kind of fixed set-and-forget contraption. Forget movement. Go out into the bush, set it up, come back a week later to check up on it, reload it, or pack it up and move to the next spot.

Device would somehow need to attract cats to it, lure them in. Something irrestible to cats, maybe some kind of lure that triggers their hunting instinct.

I’m unsure of the killing mechanism however. Have to be safe for passers-by and other wildlife. Safe for the operator. Safe from meddling by kids or falling into the worng hands. To me that rules out any sort of gun and regular ammo.

One thing with robots is patience, robots can wait for the prey

yes?

CrazyNeutrino said:

party_pants said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

rather than an overall abstract concept like wookie is great at coming up with

this cat cull robot project would have to start off from scratch

it isn’t an off the shelve solution

You define the problem then bring all the known separate parts into discussion

ie feral cat behavior, feral cat observation, robots, kill method, safety and preventative measures for humans and native animals

you break the overall problem into separate parts

it would require research and observation and development

sorry to rant on about it

but I think its possible in the near future

Ok, perhaps some kind of fixed set-and-forget contraption. Forget movement. Go out into the bush, set it up, come back a week later to check up on it, reload it, or pack it up and move to the next spot.

Device would somehow need to attract cats to it, lure them in. Something irrestible to cats, maybe some kind of lure that triggers their hunting instinct.

I’m unsure of the killing mechanism however. Have to be safe for passers-by and other wildlife. Safe for the operator. Safe from meddling by kids or falling into the worng hands. To me that rules out any sort of gun and regular ammo.

One thing with robots is patience, robots can wait for the prey

yes?

Yes indeed. For as long as their batteries last.

But I was thinking if you have a stationary killbot then you’d need to draw the cats in somehow. Either sound or visual lure.

party_pants said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

party_pants said:

Ok, perhaps some kind of fixed set-and-forget contraption. Forget movement. Go out into the bush, set it up, come back a week later to check up on it, reload it, or pack it up and move to the next spot.

Device would somehow need to attract cats to it, lure them in. Something irrestible to cats, maybe some kind of lure that triggers their hunting instinct.

I’m unsure of the killing mechanism however. Have to be safe for passers-by and other wildlife. Safe for the operator. Safe from meddling by kids or falling into the worng hands. To me that rules out any sort of gun and regular ammo.

One thing with robots is patience, robots can wait for the prey

yes?

Yes indeed. For as long as their batteries last.

But I was thinking if you have a stationary killbot then you’d need to draw the cats in somehow. Either sound or visual lure.

or wait at the bottom of a tree

directed by drones

CrazyNeutrino said:

party_pants said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

One thing with robots is patience, robots can wait for the prey

yes?

Yes indeed. For as long as their batteries last.

But I was thinking if you have a stationary killbot then you’d need to draw the cats in somehow. Either sound or visual lure.

or wait at the bottom of a tree

directed by drones

I’m abandonning any self-propelled robots for now, ground vehicles or drones. Or remotely piloted vehicles too.

party_pants said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

party_pants said:

Yes indeed. For as long as their batteries last.

But I was thinking if you have a stationary killbot then you’d need to draw the cats in somehow. Either sound or visual lure.

or wait at the bottom of a tree

directed by drones

I’m abandonning any self-propelled robots for now, ground vehicles or drones. Or remotely piloted vehicles too.

the cats move around, they have a speed

they have a maximum speed,

design robots that move faster

one option would be to place open boxes around the place

for some reason cats like boxes

have open boxes that close

CrazyNeutrino said:

party_pants said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

or wait at the bottom of a tree

directed by drones

I’m abandonning any self-propelled robots for now, ground vehicles or drones. Or remotely piloted vehicles too.

the cats move around, they have a speed

they have a maximum speed,

design robots that move faster

I think that’s too hard. I think you need to make the cats come to the robot and then stand still for a bit.

party_pants said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

party_pants said:

I’m abandonning any self-propelled robots for now, ground vehicles or drones. Or remotely piloted vehicles too.

the cats move around, they have a speed

they have a maximum speed,

design robots that move faster

I think that’s too hard. I think you need to make the cats come to the robot and then stand still for a bit.

I think we are onto something

have robot boxes that wait for that cats

I was thinking some sort of climbing frame with a physiscal lure to play the cat onto it, then spirngs like a trap and cat falls into a box or basket underneath. Then something to identify if it is a cat or some other creature. Other creature is let go, but if it is a cat then box is sealed and CO2 pumped in.

party_pants said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

party_pants said:

Ok, perhaps some kind of fixed set-and-forget contraption. Forget movement. Go out into the bush, set it up, come back a week later to check up on it, reload it, or pack it up and move to the next spot.

Device would somehow need to attract cats to it, lure them in. Something irrestible to cats, maybe some kind of lure that triggers their hunting instinct.

I’m unsure of the killing mechanism however. Have to be safe for passers-by and other wildlife. Safe for the operator. Safe from meddling by kids or falling into the worng hands. To me that rules out any sort of gun and regular ammo.

One thing with robots is patience, robots can wait for the prey

yes?

Yes indeed. For as long as their batteries last.

But I was thinking if you have a stationary killbot then you’d need to draw the cats in somehow. Either sound or visual lure.

Outdoor surveillance cameras with a shotgun attached and triggered when a cat comes in for a sniff. Just love all these headless cats.

CrazyNeutrino said:

party_pants said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

or wait at the bottom of a tree

directed by drones

I’m abandonning any self-propelled robots for now, ground vehicles or drones. Or remotely piloted vehicles too.

the cats move around, they have a speed

they have a maximum speed,

design robots that move faster

Cats cannot run far, that’s why it is easy for dogs to tree them.

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

One thing with robots is patience, robots can wait for the prey

yes?

Yes indeed. For as long as their batteries last.

But I was thinking if you have a stationary killbot then you’d need to draw the cats in somehow. Either sound or visual lure.

Outdoor surveillance cameras with a shotgun attached and triggered when a cat comes in for a sniff. Just love all these headless cats.

cats are interested in the smell of other cats, yes?

whiff, sniff, bang

CrazyNeutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

Yes indeed. For as long as their batteries last.

But I was thinking if you have a stationary killbot then you’d need to draw the cats in somehow. Either sound or visual lure.

Outdoor surveillance cameras with a shotgun attached and triggered when a cat comes in for a sniff. Just love all these headless cats.

cats are interested in the smell of other cats, yes?

whiff, sniff, bang

or spray, sniff, bang

catch, neuter , release

I think that us, HSS are the most destructive species and if we are going to cull cats, we should also cull HSS.

bob(from black rock) said:

I think that us, HSS are the most destructive species and if we are going to cull cats, we should also cull HSS.

Start with the Jews?

bob(from black rock) said:

I think that us, HSS are the most destructive species and if we are going to cull cats, we should also cull HSS.

Who first?

let’s get those Tongan bastards first I reckon, then ther Kenyans. Filthy bastards, what have they ever done for us?

party_pants said:

bob(from black rock) said:

I think that us, HSS are the most destructive species and if we are going to cull cats, we should also cull HSS.

Who first?

let’s get those Tongan bastards first I reckon, then ther Kenyans. Filthy bastards, what have they ever done for us?

Does it matter who is first? so long as the task is completed?

the catch , neuter, release programme is the most ethical

you clip the ear perhaps or tag it in someway

a female cat can be injected with a contraceptive that lasts for three years

if they put their minds to it a smart injectable contraceptive for cats could be created where a sensor looks at body temp perhaps to know when the cat is coming into heat, lets say when its temp rises – that’s when the capsule starts releasing the contraceptive

a three year capsule could last much longer then

the feral cat would be caught in the trap, pinned by some jaws and the capsule slid under the back of the neck perhaps?

no humans required

a scent could be set in the trap to entice them in

male cats might be chemically castrated by the same method

the trap would not require humans except for service perhaps and this might just be a large drone that drops off a new trap and picks up the old one for service and topping up of chemicals

wookiemeister said:

the catch , neuter, release programme is the most ethical

least ethical IMHO.

if you want to eradicate humans in camps you’d just use electrocution.

wookiemeister said:

the catch , neuter, release programme is the most ethical

you clip the ear perhaps or tag it in someway

a female cat can be injected with a contraceptive that lasts for three years

if they put their minds to it a smart injectable contraceptive for cats could be created where a sensor looks at body temp perhaps to know when the cat is coming into heat, lets say when its temp rises – that’s when the capsule starts releasing the contraceptive

a three year capsule could last much longer then

the feral cat would be caught in the trap, pinned by some jaws and the capsule slid under the back of the neck perhaps?

no humans required

a scent could be set in the trap to entice them in

male cats might be chemically castrated by the same method

the trap would not require humans except for service perhaps and this might just be a large drone that drops off a new trap and picks up the old one for service and topping up of chemicals

Why would you release them though? I can see if you had the cats made sterile it would take up breeding cycles to no effect which may have an overall influence on population. Even better if you could make a female that gives birth only to sterile females.

if you wanted to kill cats you use drones / create fire zones that are watched by cameras, as a cat crosses the fire zone its picked up
identified and blasted with an environmentally sound shell, a large calibre shell would annihilate a cat at any distance

wookiemeister said:

if you want to eradicate humans in camps you’d just use electrocution.

So you want to electrocute the president of America at Camp David?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_David

wookiemeister said:

if you want to eradicate humans in camps you’d just use electrocution.

I think fatal doses of alcohol or other drugs would be more cost effective and easier to sell.

if the female doesn’t ovulate then would it still attract a male? and if it doesn’t then what is the point?

AwesomeO said:

wookiemeister said:

the catch , neuter, release programme is the most ethical

you clip the ear perhaps or tag it in someway

a female cat can be injected with a contraceptive that lasts for three years

if they put their minds to it a smart injectable contraceptive for cats could be created where a sensor looks at body temp perhaps to know when the cat is coming into heat, lets say when its temp rises – that’s when the capsule starts releasing the contraceptive

a three year capsule could last much longer then

the feral cat would be caught in the trap, pinned by some jaws and the capsule slid under the back of the neck perhaps?

no humans required

a scent could be set in the trap to entice them in

male cats might be chemically castrated by the same method

the trap would not require humans except for service perhaps and this might just be a large drone that drops off a new trap and picks up the old one for service and topping up of chemicals

Why would you release them though? I can see if you had the cats made sterile it would take up breeding cycles to no effect which may have an overall influence on population. Even better if you could make a female that gives birth only to sterile females.

wholesale killing of any species raises many questions

do we have the right to kill in the first place?

by killing so many is it a baby steps things and wholesale killing causes us to start solving all problems in the same manner?

a cat is a sentient being with its own experiences, memories that will be wiped out in a painful second – should we be doing this

how did those cats get there in the first place (farmers)?

CrazyNeutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

if you want to eradicate humans in camps you’d just use electrocution.

So you want to electrocute the president of America at Camp David?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_David

you mean ISIS training camps

sorry

wookiemeister said:

if you want to eradicate humans in camps you’d just use electrocution.

Why? Nazis have already done the research, they were aware of electricity and they decided that gas was the way to go.

bob(from black rock) said:

wookiemeister said:

if you want to eradicate humans in camps you’d just use electrocution.

I think fatal doses of alcohol or other drugs would be more cost effective and easier to sell.

too time consuming

it takes no more than say 50mA to kill for sure within say ten seconds for sure

gas, drugs, bullets or the like take too much time, man power

electricity kills silently, quickly and is cheap – its what makes it so dangerous

you would need to genetically modify the female so it still ovulated but produced sterile eggs. and you would need thousands to be any use. seems pointless to release more cats into the environment.

ChrispenEvan said:

you would need to genetically modify the female so it still ovulated but produced sterile eggs. and you would need thousands to be any use. seems pointless to release more cats into the environment.

I assume you sterilise the ones already in the environment.

AwesomeO said:

wookiemeister said:

if you want to eradicate humans in camps you’d just use electrocution.

Why? Nazis have already done the research, they were aware of electricity and they decided that gas was the way to go.

the Nazis were wrong on many counts on many areas

they wasted building liquid fuel ICBMs for years sucking away billions of dollars for something that was slow to set up , expensive to develop and could not be mass produced in any quantity fast enough to win the war – just one example

creating camps is wasteful in energy

you’d load the trains, electrocute them on the way to the furnaces

if you wanted wholesale genocide that’s the way you’d go OR introduce disease like unit 731 in china but this can poison you too

AwesomeO said:

wookiemeister said:

if you want to eradicate humans in camps you’d just use electrocution.

Why? Nazis have already done the research, they were aware of electricity and they decided that gas was the way to go.

I am given to understand that fewer than a million people died by gassing in the Holocaust, and that most of the victims were simply shot, worked to death, starved, died of diseases etc.

sterilising wouldn’t do any good. females wouldn’t ovulate and attract a male and if males then no point. but i’ve already said this.

as I said killing any creature wholesale raises many questions

i’ve spoken to an exterminator for the government that spread 1080 around the place – he was a strange man

wookiemeister said:

as I said killing any creature wholesale raises many questions

Sure. For instance, questions such as “Can we kill all these fucking cats more cheaply and quickly?” and “What can we do to make sure that we never do something stupid like introducing cats to Australia again?”

dv said:

wookiemeister said:

as I said killing any creature wholesale raises many questions

Sure. For instance, questions such as “Can we kill all these fucking cats more cheaply and quickly?” and “What can we do to make sure that we never do something stupid like introducing cats to Australia again?”

Don’t introduce humans to any living space?

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

wookiemeister said:

if you want to eradicate humans in camps you’d just use electrocution.

Why? Nazis have already done the research, they were aware of electricity and they decided that gas was the way to go.

I am given to understand that fewer than a million people died by gassing in the Holocaust, and that most of the victims were simply shot, worked to death, starved, died of diseases etc.

the whole point of the genocide wasn’t just eradication it was punishment for a perceived wrong

people were tortured to death by the Nazis, dragging around weights, living under fear of being shot – it was a psychological war

jews weren’t the only people , poles, gypsies, the mentally ill and anyone they didn’t like were thrown into the camps – people could languish for years in prison before being killed

ChrispenEvan said:

sterilising wouldn’t do any good. females wouldn’t ovulate and attract a male and if males then no point. but i’ve already said this.

the contraceptive laden cats would still attract the male cat but not allow the babies that come with copulation

it took them 6 days to find that guy in the desert, and how many were looking for him? and that was in a small area. and you want to go hunting cats in the outback?

cats: ha ha ha.

bump

Arts said:

bump

I saw what you did then

Arts said:

bump

them off

well, certainly something has to be done. We can’t just poison them all, it’s likely that the carcass will be consumed by carrion eaters and that will be bad. I like the idea of sterilization, but there have been a few reports on how to do this (dating back to the late 90’s) and yet not much is actually done, which indicates that the methodology is not feasible (or that cost outweighs result)

The numbers on how many feral cats are out there are almost impossible to judge, in good times it could be up to 100mill in ‘bad’ food times it would decreases significantly… and if we can’t pin down the numbers of the feral animals, we can’t possibly estimate the damage they are doing, or create a ‘solution’ that would work.

I remember a documentary about a couple of Aboriginal women hunting down feral cats and eating them, was interesting.

Arts said:

bump

hmm.

dv said:

Arts said:

bump

them off

yep.

Arts said:

well, certainly something has to be done. We can’t just poison them all, it’s likely that the carcass will be consumed by carrion eaters and that will be bad. I like the idea of sterilization, but there have been a few reports on how to do this (dating back to the late 90’s) and yet not much is actually done, which indicates that the methodology is not feasible (or that cost outweighs result)

The numbers on how many feral cats are out there are almost impossible to judge, in good times it could be up to 100mill in ‘bad’ food times it would decreases significantly… and if we can’t pin down the numbers of the feral animals, we can’t possibly estimate the damage they are doing, or create a ‘solution’ that would work.

it should be able to be worked out

feral cat populations would be high next to the rim of outer suburbs

Cymek said:

I remember a documentary about a couple of Aboriginal women hunting down feral cats and eating them, was interesting.

They raided dingo dens for the pups too.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Arts said:

well, certainly something has to be done. We can’t just poison them all, it’s likely that the carcass will be consumed by carrion eaters and that will be bad. I like the idea of sterilization, but there have been a few reports on how to do this (dating back to the late 90’s) and yet not much is actually done, which indicates that the methodology is not feasible (or that cost outweighs result)

The numbers on how many feral cats are out there are almost impossible to judge, in good times it could be up to 100mill in ‘bad’ food times it would decreases significantly… and if we can’t pin down the numbers of the feral animals, we can’t possibly estimate the damage they are doing, or create a ‘solution’ that would work.

it should be able to be worked out

feral cat populations would be high next to the rim of outer suburbs

Funnily enough they don’t seem to be making the Indian Mynah extinct.

Arts said:

well, certainly something has to be done. We can’t just poison them all, it’s likely that the carcass will be consumed by carrion eaters and that will be bad. I like the idea of sterilization, but there have been a few reports on how to do this (dating back to the late 90’s) and yet not much is actually done, which indicates that the methodology is not feasible (or that cost outweighs result)

The numbers on how many feral cats are out there are almost impossible to judge, in good times it could be up to 100mill in ‘bad’ food times it would decreases significantly… and if we can’t pin down the numbers of the feral animals, we can’t possibly estimate the damage they are doing, or create a ‘solution’ that would work.

The toxin mentioned here is specific to cats.

Arts said:

well, certainly something has to be done. We can’t just poison them all, it’s likely that the carcass will be consumed by carrion eaters and that will be bad. I like the idea of sterilization, but there have been a few reports on how to do this (dating back to the late 90’s) and yet not much is actually done, which indicates that the methodology is not feasible (or that cost outweighs result)

The numbers on how many feral cats are out there are almost impossible to judge, in good times it could be up to 100mill in ‘bad’ food times it would decreases significantly… and if we can’t pin down the numbers of the feral animals, we can’t possibly estimate the damage they are doing, or create a ‘solution’ that would work.

Feline calicivirus, it’s natural…

CrazyNeutrino said:

Arts said:

well, certainly something has to be done. We can’t just poison them all, it’s likely that the carcass will be consumed by carrion eaters and that will be bad. I like the idea of sterilization, but there have been a few reports on how to do this (dating back to the late 90’s) and yet not much is actually done, which indicates that the methodology is not feasible (or that cost outweighs result)

The numbers on how many feral cats are out there are almost impossible to judge, in good times it could be up to 100mill in ‘bad’ food times it would decreases significantly… and if we can’t pin down the numbers of the feral animals, we can’t possibly estimate the damage they are doing, or create a ‘solution’ that would work.

it should be able to be worked out

feral cat populations would be high next to the rim of outer suburbs

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-13/greg-hunt-feral-cat-native-animals-fact-check/5858282

roughbarked said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Arts said:

well, certainly something has to be done. We can’t just poison them all, it’s likely that the carcass will be consumed by carrion eaters and that will be bad. I like the idea of sterilization, but there have been a few reports on how to do this (dating back to the late 90’s) and yet not much is actually done, which indicates that the methodology is not feasible (or that cost outweighs result)

The numbers on how many feral cats are out there are almost impossible to judge, in good times it could be up to 100mill in ‘bad’ food times it would decreases significantly… and if we can’t pin down the numbers of the feral animals, we can’t possibly estimate the damage they are doing, or create a ‘solution’ that would work.

it should be able to be worked out

feral cat populations would be high next to the rim of outer suburbs

Funnily enough they don’t seem to be making the Indian Mynah extinct.

what would be interesting to to make a study on feral cat populations near the rim of outer suburbs and then work out how cat populations fan out into deeper areas from those initial areas

anyway.. glad I brought it up

:)

They could always introduce a species that hunts cats, that always seems to work well.

on a last (from me) and more serious note, if it was as easy to eradicate as you think, it wouldn’t be a ‘problem’

Cats have been in Australia since the 1800’s it took the dingo about 3500 years to be accepted as ‘native’ we can just wait it out, I suppose

Arts said:

on a last (from me) and more serious note, if it was as easy to eradicate as you think, it wouldn’t be a ‘problem’

Cats have been in Australia since the 1800’s it took the dingo about 3500 years to be accepted as ‘native’ we can just wait it out, I suppose

Purrzactly.

• They could always introduce a species that hunts cats, that always seems to work well.

Bigger cats that are genetically modified to prefer the taste of smaller cats…

I know that the CSIRO are working on genetically modified Bunyips to tackle the feral cat problem.
It’s all hush hush, they don’t want the Greens knowing about it.
Sarah Hansen Young would go absolutely bananas if she knew bunyips were being modified.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q54lVO7elt0

It’s the Red Dwarf Cat claiming things and describing his lifestyle.

• It’s the Red Dwarf Cat claiming things and describing his lifestyle.

What about his investigating feet?

Peak Warming Man said:

I know that the CSIRO are working on genetically modified Bunyips to tackle the feral cat problem.
It’s all hush hush, they don’t want the Greens knowing about it.
Sarah Hansen Young would go absolutely bananas if she knew bunyips were being modified.

Bunyips are cool,

If I get a cat,

I’m going name it Bunyip

• I’m going name it Bunyip

Should call it Alexander…

Can’t we just convince Chinese people that feral Australian cats’ hearts have medicinal value? If you can wipe out rhinoceroses it should be easy to do it to pissant little cats.

dv said:

Can’t we just convince Chinese people that feral Australian cats’ hearts have medicinal value? If you can wipe out rhinoceroses it should be easy to do it to pissant little cats.

The Egyptian temple priests would have mummified them in their millions and sold them to the masses.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Can’t we just convince Chinese people that feral Australian cats’ hearts have medicinal value? If you can wipe out rhinoceroses it should be easy to do it to pissant little cats.

The Egyptian temple priests would have mummified them in their millions and sold them to the masses.

Yes I saw that on a recent documentary even had shoddy sellers

While it won’t solve the problem of the already existing feral cats (well not immediately at least), surely one potential move should be to legislate to have all cats sterilized at the point of sale (unless sold to a registered breeder).

diddly-squat said:

While it won’t solve the problem of the already existing feral cats (well not immediately at least), surely one potential move should be to legislate to have all cats sterilized at the point of sale (unless sold to a registered breeder).

this

diddly-squat said:

While it won’t solve the problem of the already existing feral cats (well not immediately at least), surely one potential move should be to legislate to have all cats sterilized at the point of sale (unless sold to a registered breeder).

Indeed I agree

dv said:

diddly-squat said:

While it won’t solve the problem of the already existing feral cats (well not immediately at least), surely one potential move should be to legislate to have all cats sterilized at the point of sale (unless sold to a registered breeder).

this

my MIL breeds cats (at the moment she has something like 15 kittens, which of course my 6YO daugheter finds delightful) and she only sells her kittens after they have been sterilized – which funnily enough is more to do with her business rather than the environment.

Watch me snip. Watch me spay spay.

dv said:

Can’t we just convince Chinese people that feral Australian cats’ hearts have medicinal value? If you can wipe out rhinoceroses it should be easy to do it to pissant little cats.

rhinos are easy to wipe out because they only have one calf at a time… cats can have up to 8
rhio gestation is 15 – 16 months, cats – 66 days

we are gonna need more Chinese

Arts said:

dv said:

Can’t we just convince Chinese people that feral Australian cats’ hearts have medicinal value? If you can wipe out rhinoceroses it should be easy to do it to pissant little cats.

rhinos are easy to wipe out because they only have one calf at a time… cats can have up to 8
rhio gestation is 15 – 16 months, cats – 66 days

we are gonna need more Chinese

Shakes fist at one child policy

Arts said:

dv said:

Can’t we just convince Chinese people that feral Australian cats’ hearts have medicinal value? If you can wipe out rhinoceroses it should be easy to do it to pissant little cats.

rhinos are easy to wipe out because they only have one calf at a time… cats can have up to 8
rhio gestation is 15 – 16 months, cats – 66 days

we are gonna need more Chinese

And if they had value it would be cheaper and easier to breed your own than hunt feral ones.

Wales v RSA might be worth seeing

diddly-squat said:

While it won’t solve the problem of the already existing feral cats (well not immediately at least), surely one potential move should be to legislate to have all cats sterilized at the point of sale (unless sold to a registered breeder).

I believe we are moving towards that. Reputable pet stores also are starting to get their ‘stock’ from places like cat haven. But that doesn’t stop the backyarders…

however it’s a start…

dv said:

Wales v RSA might be worth seeing

I think we can leave the whales and their indiscriminate killing and consumption of thousands of krill to another thread.

Arts said:

dv said:

Wales v RSA might be worth seeing

I think we can leave the whales and their indiscriminate killing and consumption of thousands of krill to another thread.

RSA=really small arthropods

Arts said:

diddly-squat said:

While it won’t solve the problem of the already existing feral cats (well not immediately at least), surely one potential move should be to legislate to have all cats sterilized at the point of sale (unless sold to a registered breeder).

I believe we are moving towards that. Reputable pet stores also are starting to get their ‘stock’ from places like cat haven. But that doesn’t stop the backyarders…

however it’s a start…

Does that mean we can all go home now and stop worrying?

If every person in Australia killed one feral cat…

dv said:

If every person in Australia killed one feral cat…

Is that a quote from the NRA?

PermeateFree said:

Arts said:

diddly-squat said:

While it won’t solve the problem of the already existing feral cats (well not immediately at least), surely one potential move should be to legislate to have all cats sterilized at the point of sale (unless sold to a registered breeder).

I believe we are moving towards that. Reputable pet stores also are starting to get their ‘stock’ from places like cat haven. But that doesn’t stop the backyarders…

however it’s a start…

Does that mean we can all go home now and stop worrying?

how did you reach that conclusion?

it’s probably goig to be a three pronged attack.. subliminal, liminal, and superliminal

Teach a hundred feral cats to not kill wildlife and get that 100 to teach another 100 each and so on and you quickly stop the problem.

Great, except that cats can’t be taught anything because they are stupid and stubborn.

and they get are generally solitary creatures… other wise there’s are too many cat fights

Cymek said:

Teach a hundred feral cats to not kill wildlife and get that 100 to teach another 100 each and so on and you quickly stop the problem.

Problem solved.

Give that man a medal.

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

Teach a hundred feral cats to not kill wildlife and get that 100 to teach another 100 each and so on and you quickly stop the problem.

Problem solved.

Give that man a medal.

Cymek said:

Teach a hundred feral cats to not kill wildlife and get that 100 to teach another 100 each and so on and you quickly stop the problem.

they are obligate carnivores so they’ll all starve to death… I think PETA will have something to say about that

Arts said:

Cymek said:

Teach a hundred feral cats to not kill wildlife and get that 100 to teach another 100 each and so on and you quickly stop the problem.

they are obligate carnivores so they’ll all starve to death… I think PETA will have something to say about that

They could eat people…….plenty of those.

Arts said:

Cymek said:

Teach a hundred feral cats to not kill wildlife and get that 100 to teach another 100 each and so on and you quickly stop the problem.

they are obligate carnivores so they’ll all starve to death… I think PETA will have something to say about that

They could perform circus tricks to obtain money to buy Wiskas.

I think the one thing we can all agree on is that we don’t want to get PETA involved

Arts said:

I think the one thing we can all agree on is that we don’t want to get PETA involved

So just ignore them. They’re just lobbyists.

• they are obligate carnivores so they’ll all starve to death…

• I think the one thing we can all agree on is that we don’t want to get PETA involved

PETA kills animals for their own good all the time…

Arts said:

PermeateFree said:

Arts said:

I believe we are moving towards that. Reputable pet stores also are starting to get their ‘stock’ from places like cat haven. But that doesn’t stop the backyarders…

however it’s a start…

Does that mean we can all go home now and stop worrying?

how did you reach that conclusion?

it’s probably goig to be a three pronged attack.. subliminal, liminal, and superliminal

hyperliminal

furious said:

• they are obligate carnivores so they’ll all starve to death…

Haille Selassies lion.

We haven’t done dogs yet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cats_(musical)

As of 2015, Cats is the third longest-running show in Broadway history,

Would be interesting if aliens thought that the human race needed culling.

rumpole said:

Would be interesting if aliens thought that the human race needed culling.

If aliens want our planet, possibly.

roughbarked said:

rumpole said:

Would be interesting if aliens thought that the human race needed culling.

If aliens want our planet, possibly.

Not necessarily. They could do it for altruistic reasons, to save us from ourselves.

rumpole said:

roughbarked said:

rumpole said:

Would be interesting if aliens thought that the human race needed culling.

If aliens want our planet, possibly.

Not necessarily. They could do it for altruistic reasons, to save us from ourselves.

They may want to save the universe from us?

roughbarked said:

rumpole said:

roughbarked said:

If aliens want our planet, possibly.

Not necessarily. They could do it for altruistic reasons, to save us from ourselves.

They may want to save the universe from us?

That is also a valid reason.

rumpole said:

roughbarked said:

rumpole said:

Would be interesting if aliens thought that the human race needed culling.

If aliens want our planet, possibly.

Not necessarily. They could do it for altruistic reasons, to save us from ourselves.

Or just because they can

Cymek said:

rumpole said:

roughbarked said:

If aliens want our planet, possibly.

Not necessarily. They could do it for altruistic reasons, to save us from ourselves.

Or just because they can

Maybe they already are. Global warming, ebola, Neo Conservatism leading to policy atrophy…

roughbarked said:

rumpole said:

roughbarked said:

If aliens want our planet, possibly.

Not necessarily. They could do it for altruistic reasons, to save us from ourselves.

They may want to save the universe from us?

greedy brainless miners who want everything

CrazyNeutrino said:

greedy brainless miners who want everything

Too right. Who needs steel?!?

CrazyNeutrino said:

roughbarked said:

rumpole said:

Not necessarily. They could do it for altruistic reasons, to save us from ourselves.

They may want to save the universe from us?

greedy brainless miners who want everything

If it wasn’t for miners there’d be no computers.

Instead you’d be sitting there now writing angry missives to the editor with letters cut of of magazines.

…letters cut of of magazines.

and what ya gunna print them magazines on?

CrazyNeutrino said:

roughbarked said:

rumpole said:

Not necessarily. They could do it for altruistic reasons, to save us from ourselves.

They may want to save the universe from us?

greedy brainless minors who want everything

teenagers can be a bit needy…

JudgeMental said:

…letters cut of of magazines.

and what ya gunna print them magazines on?

papyrus.

i was thinking more along the lines of the actual machine not so much the media printed on.

greedy mynahs

How about a 78 percent mining Tax like Norway has.

It would be easy to pay people to get rid of the feral cats then.

CrazyNeutrino said:

How about a 78 percent mining Tax like Norway has.

It would be easy to pay people to get rid of the feral cats then.

i’d never heard of the cat eradication scheme in Norway.

please elaborate…

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

How about a 78 percent mining Tax like Norway has.

It would be easy to pay people to get rid of the feral cats then.

i’d never heard of the cat eradication scheme in Norway.

please elaborate…

Oil tax: Norway could teach Australia a thing or two about managing wealth
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/04/oil-tax-norway-could-teach-australia-a-thing-or-two-about-managing-wealth

Mining tax: it’s time for all Australians to realise they are being ripped off
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/19/mining-tax-its-time-for-all-australians-to-realise-they-are-being-ripped-off

IF Australia had a decent mining tax we could do lots of things

better education system
space program
medical research
Tech companies
Super computer research
program to get rid of introduced pests

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

How about a 78 percent mining Tax like Norway has.

It would be easy to pay people to get rid of the feral cats then.

i’d never heard of the cat eradication scheme in Norway.

please elaborate…

Oil tax: Norway could teach Australia a thing or two about managing wealth
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/04/oil-tax-norway-could-teach-australia-a-thing-or-two-about-managing-wealth

Mining tax: it’s time for all Australians to realise they are being ripped off
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/19/mining-tax-its-time-for-all-australians-to-realise-they-are-being-ripped-off

IF Australia had a decent mining tax we could do lots of things

better education system
space program
medical research
Tech companies
Super computer research
program to get rid of introduced pests

Norway must be rolling in the moolah with all that tax and none of those to spend it on…

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

i’d never heard of the cat eradication scheme in Norway.

please elaborate…

Oil tax: Norway could teach Australia a thing or two about managing wealth
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/04/oil-tax-norway-could-teach-australia-a-thing-or-two-about-managing-wealth

Mining tax: it’s time for all Australians to realise they are being ripped off
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/19/mining-tax-its-time-for-all-australians-to-realise-they-are-being-ripped-off

IF Australia had a decent mining tax we could do lots of things

better education system
space program
medical research
Tech companies
Super computer research
program to get rid of introduced pests

Norway must be rolling in the moolah with all that tax and none of those to spend it on…

I had no idea that Norway spends no money on medical research and education.

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

i’d never heard of the cat eradication scheme in Norway.

please elaborate…

Oil tax: Norway could teach Australia a thing or two about managing wealth
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/04/oil-tax-norway-could-teach-australia-a-thing-or-two-about-managing-wealth

Mining tax: it’s time for all Australians to realise they are being ripped off
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/19/mining-tax-its-time-for-all-australians-to-realise-they-are-being-ripped-off

IF Australia had a decent mining tax we could do lots of things

better education system
space program
medical research
Tech companies
Super computer research
program to get rid of introduced pests

Norway must be rolling in the moolah with all that tax and none of those to spend it on…

What Norway does with the Money is up to them

They could spend it or keep saving it

dv said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Oil tax: Norway could teach Australia a thing or two about managing wealth
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/04/oil-tax-norway-could-teach-australia-a-thing-or-two-about-managing-wealth

Mining tax: it’s time for all Australians to realise they are being ripped off
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/19/mining-tax-its-time-for-all-australians-to-realise-they-are-being-ripped-off

IF Australia had a decent mining tax we could do lots of things

better education system
space program
medical research
Tech companies
Super computer research
program to get rid of introduced pests

Norway must be rolling in the moolah with all that tax and none of those to spend it on…

I had no idea that Norway spends no money on medical research and education.

buying Saville Row doesn’t sound like medical research and education to me…

The Norwegian government sums up the fund with the rather lengthy fortune cookie-like phrase “One day the oil will run out, but the return on the fund will continue to benefit the Norwegian population.”

The bulging sovereign wealth fund, managed by the Norwegian government, is set to top $1trn within this decade. At the end of 2013, its value stood at 5.2trn kroner – that’s $903.4bn.

With the money invested more than 8,000 businesses and properties last year, the fund currently owns 1% of all the world’s stocks. The fund managers recently purchased a slab of London’s ritzy west end, including Savile Row, famed for its sharp suits and the former office of the record label Apple – the rooftop venue for the Beatles’ last live performance.

The fund’s average annual return has been 5.7%. Last year was a bumper one, with the money pot swelling by 15%.

Norway’s oil piggy bank is worth more than the GDP of Switzerland. More even than the US’ gargantuan annual military budget. In effect, Norway is a country of five million trustifarians – with each person theoretically being a millionaire (in kroner, that is).

I tend to believe that we can probably tax energy companies more for extraction rights. That is a qualified tend, because I am not totally across the facts about the complexities of energy extraction and international law, I base that totally on the fact that the big companies make out like bandits and could afford a hair cut.

Having said that, I am also aware that for every simple knee jerk reaction like tax them more there is a million repercussions I am not aware of.

I think we need to apply a resources tax about 15 years ago and start winding it down now

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

i’d never heard of the cat eradication scheme in Norway.

please elaborate…

Oil tax: Norway could teach Australia a thing or two about managing wealth
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/04/oil-tax-norway-could-teach-australia-a-thing-or-two-about-managing-wealth

Mining tax: it’s time for all Australians to realise they are being ripped off
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/19/mining-tax-its-time-for-all-australians-to-realise-they-are-being-ripped-off

IF Australia had a decent mining tax we could do lots of things

better education system
space program
medical research
Tech companies
Super computer research
program to get rid of introduced pests

Norway must be rolling in the moolah with all that tax and none of those to spend it on…

They own 2% of the known universe.

party_pants said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Oil tax: Norway could teach Australia a thing or two about managing wealth
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/04/oil-tax-norway-could-teach-australia-a-thing-or-two-about-managing-wealth

Mining tax: it’s time for all Australians to realise they are being ripped off
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/19/mining-tax-its-time-for-all-australians-to-realise-they-are-being-ripped-off

IF Australia had a decent mining tax we could do lots of things

better education system
space program
medical research
Tech companies
Super computer research
program to get rid of introduced pests

Norway must be rolling in the moolah with all that tax and none of those to spend it on…

They own 2% of the known universe.

And how much of the unknown universe?

dv said:

I think we need to apply a resources tax about 15 years ago and start winding it down now

When are they going to wind down the GST then?

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

Norway must be rolling in the moolah with all that tax and none of those to spend it on…

They own 2% of the known universe.

And how much of the unknown universe?

Noe. Who’d want to own any of that?

CrazyNeutrino said:

dv said:

I think we need to apply a resources tax about 15 years ago and start winding it down now

When are they going to wind down the GST then?

good grief. ffs. wtf. sheesh. geez. etc.

CrazyNeutrino said:

dv said:

I think we need to apply a resources tax about 15 years ago and start winding it down now

When are they going to wind down the GST then?

How do you propose that government funds its activities?

JudgeMental said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

dv said:

I think we need to apply a resources tax about 15 years ago and start winding it down now

When are they going to wind down the GST then?

good grief. ffs. wtf. sheesh. geez. etc.

If Tax is not good enough for mining companies then Tax also not good for everyone else

by taxing mining companies? oh hang on the boom is over. should have taxed them 15 years ago when the boom was booming…

;-)

CrazyNeutrino said:

JudgeMental said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

When are they going to wind down the GST then?

good grief. ffs. wtf. sheesh. geez. etc.

If Tax is not good enough for mining companies then Tax also not good for everyone else

So, who’s idea was it in the first place for these mining companies not to pay Tax/Mining Tax?

while the rest us as have to?

CrazyNeutrino said:

JudgeMental said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

When are they going to wind down the GST then?

good grief. ffs. wtf. sheesh. geez. etc.

If Tax is not good enough for mining companies then Tax also not good for everyone else

You do realise that mining companies get taxed…don’t you?

JudgeMental said:

by taxing mining companies? oh hang on the boom is over. should have taxed them 15 years ago when the boom was booming…

;-)

Why not since Federation?

Imagine all the money, Trillions, Quadrillions!

probably not sibeen.

sibeen said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

JudgeMental said:

good grief. ffs. wtf. sheesh. geez. etc.

If Tax is not good enough for mining companies then Tax also not good for everyone else

You do realise that mining companies get taxed…don’t you?

but not a 78 percent mining tax like Norway has

CN – I think the removal of the mining tax was a very bad thing, but don’t go on about mining companies not paying tax.

They pay the same tax on profits as any other company, and the same GST. They also pay royalties.

The mining tax was an extra.

The Rev Dodgson said:

CN – I think the removal of the mining tax was a very bad thing, but don’t go on about mining companies not paying tax.

They pay the same tax on profits as any other company, and the same GST. They also pay royalties.

The mining tax was an extra.

I understand mining tax is a separate thing, but so are resources

CrazyNeutrino said:

sibeen said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

If Tax is not good enough for mining companies then Tax also not good for everyone else

You do realise that mining companies get taxed…don’t you?

but not a 78 percent mining tax like Norway has

Oh, OK then. You do realise that NOrway has a GST and it is set at 25%, don’t you?

sibeen said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

sibeen said:

You do realise that mining companies get taxed…don’t you?

but not a 78 percent mining tax like Norway has

Oh, OK then. You do realise that NOrway has a GST and it is set at 25%, don’t you?

they also have compulsary military service where they get paid the equivalent of a 6 pack of beer/week while they are serving

look we’d only copy the good stuff from norway. not the stuff that would affect me personally.

JudgeMental said:

look we’d only copy the good stuff from norway. not the stuff that would affect me personally.

yes the good stuff

not the bad stuff

CrazyNeutrino said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

JudgeMental said:

good grief. ffs. wtf. sheesh. geez. etc.

If Tax is not good enough for mining companies then Tax also not good for everyone else

So, who’s idea was it in the first place for these mining companies not to pay Tax/Mining Tax?

while the rest us as have to?

stop the subsidies

don’t give discounts on fuel

stumpy_seahorse said:

sibeen said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

but not a 78 percent mining tax like Norway has

Oh, OK then. You do realise that NOrway has a GST and it is set at 25%, don’t you?

they also have compulsary military service where they get paid the equivalent of a 6 pack of beer/week while they are serving

the Norwegians also get a lot more in return for those taxes – we don’t

they use tax from mining to fund super funds etc

stumpy_seahorse said:

sibeen said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

but not a 78 percent mining tax like Norway has

Oh, OK then. You do realise that NOrway has a GST and it is set at 25%, don’t you?

they also have compulsary military service where they get paid the equivalent of a 6 pack of beer/week while they are serving

Bugger me, they get paid that much?

If you’ve ever been to Norway and purchased a beer you’d understand what I’m on about.

:)

How come we can have a Resource Rent Tax on oil and cats (must stick to the topic) and no one complains, yet put one on minerals and it’s a national disaster ?

CATS: HA HA HA HA

dv said:

CATS: HA HA HA HA

Is that you Alex?