I take it there will always be an autopsy, and show some likely cause of death, ie heart attack, stroke, but what % will have no cause of death? ie just died in their sleep?
There is almost never an autopsy and even if there is one it doesn’t always show cause of death. Cardiorespiratory arrest would cover all deaths…
OCDC, thanks so unless there are bullet or knife wounds, then they just died in their sleep? Would they test for toxins?
IF it goes to the coroner, there will be a CT scan done on arrival and often that, with an examination of the outside of the body, is all that’s done.
However, generally one can hazard a fairly accurate guess from the medical history. For example, one of my former patients died in h’ sleep after being discharged to a new nursing home, before seeing that home’s GP. Never having seen the patient, the GP referred h’ to the coroner, who called me for further info. My guess, based on past medical history was cardiac. Got the report this week – cardiac (autopsy not done).
I also correctly guessed my grandfather’s cause of sudden death as cardiac – again autopsy not done.
It is my understanding that if you haven’t been to a doctor for a while the coroner might want to have a look at you. But if you are up to date with that and otherwise everything is normal, you just go for a visit to the funeral directors.
OCDC said:
I also correctly guessed my grandfather’s cause of sudden death as cardiac – again autopsy not done.Though he didn’t die in his sleep.
There are strict rules for when one must advise the coroner, but most of the time the death isn’t reported (eg if you had surgery within a certain time before death, but actually die from pre-existing cancer, or something else clearly not caused by the surgery).
OCDC said:
IF it goes to the coroner, there will be a CT scan done on arrival and often that, with an examination of the outside of the body, is all that’s done.However, generally one can hazard a fairly accurate guess from the medical history. For example, one of my former patients died in h’ sleep after being discharged to a new nursing home, before seeing that home’s GP. Never having seen the patient, the GP referred h’ to the coroner, who called me for further info. My guess, based on past medical history was cardiac. Got the report this week – cardiac (autopsy not done).
I also correctly guessed my grandfather’s cause of sudden death as cardiac – again autopsy not done.
Is that because they just went with your guess?
poikilotherm said:
OCDC said:
IF it goes to the coroner, there will be a CT scan done on arrival and often that, with an examination of the outside of the body, is all that’s done.However, generally one can hazard a fairly accurate guess from the medical history. For example, one of my former patients died in h’ sleep after being discharged to a new nursing home, before seeing that home’s GP. Never having seen the patient, the GP referred h’ to the coroner, who called me for further info. My guess, based on past medical history was cardiac. Got the report this week – cardiac (autopsy not done).
I also correctly guessed my grandfather’s cause of sudden death as cardiac – again autopsy not done.
Is that because they just went with your guess?
The patient or the grandfather?
poikilotherm said:
OCDC said:
IF it goes to the coroner, there will be a CT scan done on arrival and often that, with an examination of the outside of the body, is all that’s done.However, generally one can hazard a fairly accurate guess from the medical history. For example, one of my former patients died in h’ sleep after being discharged to a new nursing home, before seeing that home’s GP. Never having seen the patient, the GP referred h’ to the coroner, who called me for further info. My guess, based on past medical history was cardiac. Got the report this week – cardiac (autopsy not done).
I also correctly guessed my grandfather’s cause of sudden death as cardiac – again autopsy not done.
Is that because they just went with your guess?
They theorised that she must be at least 50% right or 50% wrong, so they probably tossed a coin and if they didn’t like the result, they probably made it 2 out of 3.
They went with my guess for neither.
In the real world, causality is complex and often obscure.
I wonder if it would show up if you somehow poisoned someone with blue ring octopus venom?
wookiemeister said:
I wonder if it would show up if you somehow poisoned someone with blue ring octopus venom?
a blue ring bite is reasonably distinctive
stumpy_seahorse said:
wookiemeister said:
I wonder if it would show up if you somehow poisoned someone with blue ring octopus venom?
a blue ring bite is reasonably distinctive
Like?
stumpy_seahorse said:
wookiemeister said:
I wonder if it would show up if you somehow poisoned someone with blue ring octopus venom?
a blue ring bite is reasonably distinctive
what if you squirted a few drops in their mouth as they slept?
wookiemeister said:
what if you squirted a few drops in their mouth as they slept?
Think it has to get into the blood.
I think a ninja tactic was dropping down a thread from the ceiling and dripped poison down the thread onto the persons mouth
you’d automatically lick the poison away as you slept
PermeateFree said:
wookiemeister said:
what if you squirted a few drops in their mouth as they slept?
Think it has to get into the blood.
wookiemeister said:
PermeateFree said:
wookiemeister said:
what if you squirted a few drops in their mouth as they slept?
Think it has to get into the blood.
you could use a solvent to take it through the skin perhaps?
If you were crazy enough I suppose you could do a lot of things.
ive met someone who piled up tobacco on the top of the shisha and took a lung full – according to everyone who saw it he shook and passed out and came to hours later – I think they took him to hospital
In a minor way I helped with the Blue-ringed Octopus antivenene by catching 7 of them for Dr Sutherland? so he could extract the venom to work on it.
bob(from black rock) said:
I take it there will always be an autopsy, and show some likely cause of death, ie heart attack, stroke, but what % will have no cause of death? ie just died in their sleep?
Oh, they’ll put something on the death certificate, whether it’s true or not. And it won’t be a cause that points a finger at negligence by any doctor or hospital. PS. Don’t forget what I said in a previous thread about “palliative care”.
mollwollfumble said:
bob(from black rock) said:
I take it there will always be an autopsy, and show some likely cause of death, ie heart attack, stroke, but what % will have no cause of death? ie just died in their sleep?
Oh, they’ll put something on the death certificate, whether it’s true or not. And it won’t be a cause that points a finger at negligence by any doctor or hospital. PS. Don’t forget what I said in a previous thread about “palliative care”.
Sorry Molly, I have either forgotten what you said, or didn’t see what you said.
OCDC said:
There is almost never an autopsy and even if there is one it doesn’t always show cause of death. Cardiorespiratory arrest would cover all deaths…
They locked the nursing home down this weekend because there was influenza there. So Mrs rb’s mother died in her sleep last night without seeing any of us.
de ja vu
roughbarked said:
OCDC said:
There is almost never an autopsy and even if there is one it doesn’t always show cause of death. Cardiorespiratory arrest would cover all deaths…
They locked the nursing home down this weekend because there was influenza there. So Mrs rb’s mother died in her sleep last night without seeing any of us.
That’s awful. mrs rb doesn’t need any more stress in her life :(
Re: OP
People always die of something, whether we know what it is or not.
I was reading an article this week about a 14 month old child who died in his sleep. After ruling out foul play, the coroner “assured” the parents that sometimes, babies just die and we’ll never know the cause.
When Wayne Dyer died recently, his family made a big deal in the media about him not having any trace of leukemia in him (he’d been previously diagnosed with leukemia), but he actually died from cardiac arrest. Just goes to show, we humans gotta die of something.
Divine Angel said:
roughbarked said:
OCDC said:
There is almost never an autopsy and even if there is one it doesn’t always show cause of death. Cardiorespiratory arrest would cover all deaths…
They locked the nursing home down this weekend because there was influenza there. So Mrs rb’s mother died in her sleep last night without seeing any of us.
That’s awful. mrs rb doesn’t need any more stress in her life :(
sorry to hear all that rb. :(
bob(from black rock) said:
mollwollfumble said:
bob(from black rock) said:
I take it there will always be an autopsy, and show some likely cause of death, ie heart attack, stroke, but what % will have no cause of death? ie just died in their sleep?
Oh, they’ll put something on the death certificate, whether it’s true or not. And it won’t be a cause that points a finger at negligence by any doctor or hospital. PS. Don’t forget what I said in a previous thread about “palliative care”.
Sorry Molly, I have either forgotten what you said, or didn’t see what you said.
Avoid nursing homes if at all possible, for many reasons including spread of diseases and cost. The thing to get at the end of a life is “palliative care”, which are a network of free public hospitals whose only concern is for the patients’ and relatives’ mental well-being while they die. Unlike most hospitals, palliative care hospitals do not concern itself with making patients well, it doesn’t matter to them how the patient is dying. Their only concern is to make dying as pleasant an experience as possible.
Unlike nursing homes, palliative care hospitals don’t advertise and are not continually being pushed down your throat by nurses, therapists and other medical professionals. You have to know about them.
rb said:
They locked the nursing home down this weekend because there was influenza there. So Mrs rb’s mother died in her sleep last night without seeing any of us.
That’s OK, if everyone who cares had their chance to visit her before she died. The best time to say a goodbye to someone is when they’re still alive.
mollwollfumble said:
bob(from black rock) said:
mollwollfumble said:Sorry Molly, I have either forgotten what you said, or didn’t see what you said.
Avoid nursing homes if at all possible, for many reasons including spread of diseases and cost. The thing to get at the end of a life is “palliative care”, which are a network of free public hospitals whose only concern is for the patients’ and relatives’ mental well-being while they die. Unlike most hospitals, palliative care hospitals do not concern itself with making patients well, it doesn’t matter to them how the patient is dying. Their only concern is to make dying as pleasant an experience as possible.
Unlike nursing homes, palliative care hospitals don’t advertise and are not continually being pushed down your throat by nurses, therapists and other medical professionals. You have to know about them.
rb said:
They locked the nursing home down this weekend because there was influenza there. So Mrs rb’s mother died in her sleep last night without seeing any of us.
That’s OK, if everyone who cares had their chance to visit her before she died. The best time to say a goodbye to someone is when they’re still alive.
yes, it is, people have memories to remember them
I still have dreams about my grand parents
they are alive in the dream
and I am there with them
PermeateFree said:
In a minor way I helped with the Blue-ringed Octopus antivenene by catching 7 of them for Dr Sutherland? so he could extract the venom to work on it.
AussieDJ said:
PermeateFree said:
In a minor way I helped with the Blue-ringed Octopus antivenene by catching 7 of them for Dr Sutherland? so he could extract the venom to work on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struan_Sutherland
That’s the man, but apparently he was unsuccessful in developing an antivenene for the blue ring octopus.
Don’t they call it anti-venom these days?
Struan Sutherland is one of my heroes.
buffy said:
Don’t they call it anti-venom these days?
Another case of evolution perhaps.
buffy said:
Don’t they call it anti-venom these days?
If they don’t, they should.