Date: 27/10/2015 20:10:36
From: The_observer
ID: 793897
Subject: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

The Société de Calcul Mathématique SA, in France has issued a long in depth white paper on climate change:

“The battle against global warming: an absurd,costly and pointless crusade”

http://www.scmsa.eu/archives/SCM_RC_2015_08_24_EN.pdf

Summary

All public policies, in France, Europe and throughout the world, find their origin and inspiration in the battle against global warming.

The impact on the entire field of scientific research is particularly clear and especially pernicious. No project can be launched, on any subject whatsoever, unless it makes direct reference to global warming. You want to look at the geology of the Garonne Basin? It is, after all, an entirely normal and socially useful subject in every respect. Well, your research will be funded, approved and published only if it mentions the potential for geological storage of CO2. It is appalling.

The crusade has invaded every area of activity and everyone‘s thinking: the battle against CO2 has become a national priority. How have we reached this point, in a country that claims to be rational?

At the root lie the declarations made by the IPPC, which have been repeated over the years and taken up by the European Commission and the Member States. France, which likes to see itself as the good boy of Europe‘, adds an extra layer of virtue to every crusade. When others introduce reductions, we will on principle introduce bigger reductions, without ever questioning their appropriateness: a crusade is virtuous by its very nature. And you can never be too virtuous.

But mathematicians do not believe in crusades; they look at facts, figures, observations and arguments.

Part 1: The facts

Chapter 1: The crusade is absurd
There is not a single fact, figure or observation that leads us to conclude that the world‘s climate is in any way disturbed‘. It is variable, as it has always been, but rather less so now than during certain periods or geological eras. Modern methods are far from being able to accurately measure the planet‘s global temperature even today, so measurements made 50 or 100 years ago are even less reliable.

Concentrations of CO2 vary, as they always have done; the figures that are being released are biased and dishonest. Rising sea levels are a normal phenomenon linked to upthrust buoyancy; they are nothing to do with so-called global warming. As for extreme weather events – they are no more frequent now than they have been in the past. We ourselves have processed the raw data on hurricanes.

Chapter 2: The crusade is costly

Direct aid for industries that are completely unviable (such as photovoltaics and wind turbines) but presented as ‗virtuous‘ runs into billions of euros, according to recent reports published by the Cour des Comptes (French Audit Office) in 2013. But the highest cost lies in the principle of ‗energy saving‘, which is presented as especially virtuous. Since no civilization can develop when it is saving energy, ours has stopped developing: France now has more than three million people unemployed – it is the price we have to pay for our virtue.

Chapter 3: The crusade is pointless

If we in France were to stop all industrial activity (let‘s not talk about our intellectual activity, which ceased long ago), if we were to eradicate all trace of animal life, the composition of the atmosphere would not alter in any measurable, perceptible way.

This just goes to show the truth of the matter: we are fighting for a cause (reducing CO2 emissions) that serves absolutely no purpose, in which we alone believe, and which we can do nothing about. You would probably have to go quite a long way back in human history to find such a mad obsession.

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Ooh la la!

sacré bleu!

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Date: 27/10/2015 20:40:08
From: sibeen
ID: 793915
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

The_observer said:


The Société de Calcul Mathématique SA, in France has issued a long in depth white paper on climate change:

Ooh la la!

sacré bleu!

A well known organization like The Société de Calcul Mathématique SA must have a tremendous Wiki write-up.

rushes off for a look

Oh, dear; quite disappointing. Nada, zip, nil, nul + void.

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Date: 27/10/2015 20:57:40
From: dv
ID: 793927
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

Nonetheless, I think that the French Mathematical Calculation Society carries much more wait on matters relating to the climate than, you know … climatologists.

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Date: 27/10/2015 21:01:27
From: dv
ID: 793932
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

sibeen said:


The_observer said:

The Société de Calcul Mathématique SA, in France has issued a long in depth white paper on climate change:

Ooh la la!

sacré bleu!

A well known organization like The Société de Calcul Mathématique SA must have a tremendous Wiki write-up.

rushes off for a look

Oh, dear; quite disappointing. Nada, zip, nil, nul + void.

They don’t have a page on the French Wiki either. They also don’t have any news coverage, at all, anywhere, apart from this particular news item.

And … here is their website.

http://www.scmsa.eu/

——

T_o, I am not just taking the piss when I say I am embarrassed for you.

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Date: 27/10/2015 21:03:42
From: The_observer
ID: 793939
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

dv said:


Nonetheless, I think that the French Mathematical Calculation Society carries much more wait on matters relating to the climate than, you know … climatologists.

climatologists like Lindzen, Spencer, Christy perhaps DV

LOL

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Date: 27/10/2015 21:05:11
From: sibeen
ID: 793945
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

dv said:


sibeen said:

The_observer said:

The Société de Calcul Mathématique SA, in France has issued a long in depth white paper on climate change:

Ooh la la!

sacré bleu!

A well known organization like The Société de Calcul Mathématique SA must have a tremendous Wiki write-up.

rushes off for a look

Oh, dear; quite disappointing. Nada, zip, nil, nul + void.

They don’t have a page on the French Wiki either. They also don’t have any news coverage, at all, anywhere, apart from this particular news item.

And … here is their website.

http://www.scmsa.eu/

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T_o, I am not just taking the piss when I say I am embarrassed for you.

Hold on, am I detecting a hint of scoff, dv. If so, stop it!

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Date: 27/10/2015 21:05:46
From: dv
ID: 793947
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

sibeen said:


dv said:

sibeen said:

A well known organization like The Société de Calcul Mathématique SA must have a tremendous Wiki write-up.

rushes off for a look

Oh, dear; quite disappointing. Nada, zip, nil, nul + void.

They don’t have a page on the French Wiki either. They also don’t have any news coverage, at all, anywhere, apart from this particular news item.

And … here is their website.

http://www.scmsa.eu/

——

T_o, I am not just taking the piss when I say I am embarrassed for you.

Hold on, am I detecting a hint of scoff, dv. If so, stop it!

Look I am taking the piss but I am not just taking the piss.

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Date: 27/10/2015 21:06:46
From: The_observer
ID: 793951
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

dv said:


sibeen said:

The_observer said:

The Société de Calcul Mathématique SA, in France has issued a long in depth white paper on climate change:

Ooh la la!

sacré bleu!

A well known organization like The Société de Calcul Mathématique SA must have a tremendous Wiki write-up.

rushes off for a look

Oh, dear; quite disappointing. Nada, zip, nil, nul + void.

They don’t have a page on the French Wiki either. They also don’t have any news coverage, at all, anywhere, apart from this particular news item.

And … here is their website.

http://www.scmsa.eu/

——

T_o, I am not just taking the piss when I say I am embarrassed for you.

Don’t be ambarrassed dv.

Thay are modelers, Like Hansen, who by the way is not a climate scientist, but a astro physist.
And like most climate modelers, are computational physists.

Here’s a list of the SCM’s achievements

Our achievements for the Ministry of Defense
Our achievements for civilian organizations or companies

http://scmsa.eu/realisa_e.htm

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Date: 27/10/2015 21:08:57
From: The_observer
ID: 793953
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

Take the piss all you like
no warming for years
no water vapour feedback
net negative feedback

enjoy the interglacial

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Date: 27/10/2015 21:10:36
From: dv
ID: 793956
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

Nah you blew it today already, t_o.

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Date: 27/10/2015 21:12:23
From: The_observer
ID: 793957
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

dv said:


Nah you blew it today already, t_o.

LOL, if you say so dv

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Date: 27/10/2015 21:12:27
From: JudgeMental
ID: 793958
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

people just don’t realise that it is the outliers in the data set that are the True ones.

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Date: 27/10/2015 21:15:24
From: The_observer
ID: 793962
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

JudgeMental said:


people just don’t realise that it is the outliers in the data set that are the True ones.

the only outlier point that is distant from observations are climate model predictions
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Date: 27/10/2015 21:33:47
From: The_observer
ID: 793992
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

dv said:


Nonetheless, I think that the French Mathematical Calculation Society carries much more wait on matters relating to the climate than, you know … climatologists.

Judith Curry…>>>climate scientist<<<

The IPCC attributes the warming since 1950 as due to human greenhouse gas emissions.
About 40% of the warming since 1880 occurred prior to 1950, and is not attributed to human greenhouse gas emissions.
Further, according to the IPCC paleo analysis, the globe has been warming for the past 400 years, which also cannot be attributed to human greenhouse gas emissions.

The analogy I am trying to make here with climate change is that the focus on the period since 1950 for climate change attribution allows us to fool ourselves. Yes, there is a vigorous paleoclimate research community, but I am still waiting for a robust explanation for the substantial global warming from 1905-1945, why the globe has been warming overall for the past 400 years, and what caused the little ice age. Failing to even try to understand climate change during these periods in the recent past is a recipe for fooling ourselves about what has caused the recent warming, and how the future climate will evolve.

goodnight

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Date: 28/10/2015 08:34:57
From: Teleost
ID: 794102
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

Perhaps TO’s right. Perhaps we should just continue to treat the planet as an industrial waste dump.

Because you know, money and all that shit.

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Date: 28/10/2015 08:55:43
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 794103
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

dv said:

They don’t have a page on the French Wiki either. They also don’t have any news coverage, at all, anywhere, apart from this particular news item.

And … here is their website.

http://www.scmsa.eu/

I wonder why Bernard Beauzamy always refers to himself in the 3rd person plural.

Maybe he’s descended from the French royal family.

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Date: 28/10/2015 12:04:17
From: The_observer
ID: 794169
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

Teleost said:


Perhaps TO’s right. Perhaps we should just continue to treat the planet as an industrial waste dump.

Because you know, money and all that shit.

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Date: 29/10/2015 23:18:07
From: Kingy
ID: 794994
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

So T_O is still tilting at windmills.

All the extremely hot weather records of late are just random data?

T_O, you are just making a fool of yourself. Look at the data.

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Date: 30/10/2015 05:27:09
From: The_observer
ID: 795011
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

Kingy said:


So T_O is still tilting at windmills.

All the extremely hot weather records of late are just random data?

T_O, you are just making a fool of yourself. Look at the data.

OK Kingy

UAH v6.0 data for September were released on Wednesday.
Here are updated graphs for various regions showing the furthest back one can go to show a zero or negative trend (less than +0.01C/ 100 years) in lower tropospheric temperatures.

The Data for the Globe

The Northern Hemisphere

The Southern Hemisphere

The Tropics

Tropical Oceans

North Polar

South Polar

AUSTRALIA

USA 49 States

Much more telling, Kingy, are the following two graphs for the entire RSS satellite record,
firstly, comparing the Lower Tropospheric trend for the Tropics … 0.102 K/Decade

to the Mid Tropospheric Trend for the Tropics … 0.088 K/Decade

Now I’d bet Kingy, you wouldn’t have a clue in regards to what I’m actually pointing out with those last two graphs.

So, please, don’t bore me with your ignorance again.

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Date: 30/10/2015 22:36:46
From: PermeateFree
ID: 795249
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

The_observer said:


Kingy said:

So T_O is still tilting at windmills.

All the extremely hot weather records of late are just random data?

T_O, you are just making a fool of yourself. Look at the data.

OK Kingy

UAH v6.0 data for September were released on Wednesday.
Here are updated graphs for various regions showing the furthest back one can go to show a zero or negative trend (less than +0.01C/ 100 years) in lower tropospheric temperatures.

The Data for the Globe

The Northern Hemisphere

The Southern Hemisphere

The Tropics

Tropical Oceans

North Polar

South Polar

AUSTRALIA

USA 49 States

Much more telling, Kingy, are the following two graphs for the entire RSS satellite record,
firstly, comparing the Lower Tropospheric trend for the Tropics … 0.102 K/Decade

to the Mid Tropospheric Trend for the Tropics … 0.088 K/Decade

Now I’d bet Kingy, you wouldn’t have a clue in regards to what I’m actually pointing out with those last two graphs.

So, please, don’t bore me with your ignorance again.

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Date: 30/10/2015 22:49:28
From: jjjust moi
ID: 795250
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

Well, even for you that’s pretty piss poor.

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Date: 30/10/2015 23:01:17
From: tauto
ID: 795254
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

Let me get this right.

So PF is arguing against Kingy because he is arguing against To, even though he is arguing against his own position?

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Date: 30/10/2015 23:03:06
From: jjjust moi
ID: 795258
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

tauto said:


Let me get this right.

So PF is arguing against Kingy because he is arguing against To, even though he is arguing against his own position?


Who knows? PF certainly has his problems.

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Date: 30/10/2015 23:23:50
From: PermeateFree
ID: 795264
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

jjjust moi said:


Well, even for you that’s pretty piss poor.

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Date: 30/10/2015 23:26:17
From: PermeateFree
ID: 795265
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

tauto said:


Let me get this right.

So PF is arguing against Kingy because he is arguing against To, even though he is arguing against his own position?

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Date: 31/10/2015 09:36:28
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 795301
Subject: re: French Mathematical Calculation Society: Global Warming Crusade is absurd and pointless

tauto said:


Let me get this right.

So PF is arguing against Kingy because he is arguing against To, even though he is arguing against his own position?

As far as I can see, PF was suggesting that TO’s post was rubbish, and made no comment on Kingy.

Not that it really matters.

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