Date: 22/11/2015 16:45:30
From: wookiemeister
ID: 804432
Subject: you are going to be wiped out by the Free Trade Agreement

http://www.cfmeu.net.au/news/five-ways-the-china-australia-free-trade-agreement-is-unlike-any-before-it

Six ways the China Australia Free Trade Agreement is unlike any before it

The China Australia Free Trade Agreement (ChAFTA) is unprecedented in Australian history, according to an analysis by a union that has identified six ways in which ChAFTA is unlike any other free trade agreement signed by Australia.

The Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union (CFMEU) has carefully examined the China Australia Free Trade Agreement, signed by Australia’s Minister for Trade and Investment Andrew Robb and China’s Commerce Minister Gao Hucheng in Canberra last month.

“Andrew Robb has made a number of claims about the Agreement which are grossly misleading and false,” the CFMEU National Secretary, Michael O’Connor, said today. “Our analysis of the Agreement identifies six key ways ChAFTA is unlike any Free Trade Agreement signed by Australia with any other country before it.

“The Agreement sells out Australian workers. There are new and unprecedented provisions within it to allow Chinese companies to bring in semi-skilled workers, remove mandatory assessments of Chinese workers in skilled trades, do away with local labour market testing, and grant Chinese citizens working holiday visas that are not reciprocal for Australian citizens.

“In a period of extreme unemployment in Australia, this Agreement is unconscionable.”

The six ways in which the ChAFTA is different to any other agreement:

ChAFTA includes 457 visas for semi-skilled workers in the ‘Infrastructure Facilitation Arrangements’ (IFAs) in the labour mobility package. Australia has never before permitted 457 visas for semi-skilled workers in an FTA deal under Labor or even Coalition governments, including the Howard administration. ChAFTA includes Infrastructure Facilitation Arrangements (IFAs), which is unprecedented. While IFAs are superficially similar to Labor’s Enterprise Migration Agreements Labor never embedded them in an FTA package deal with a foreign government. The Coalition’s IFAs are very different to EMAs. The threshold for EMAs was $2 billion with a workforce of at least 1,500. The threshold for IFAs in ChAFTA is only $150 million and no minimum workforce size. EMAs were also restricted to major resource projects, whereas IFAs are available for many sectors. EMAs required justification for skill shortage and mandatory labour market testing – neither of which are required under IFAs. ChAFTA includes unprecedented provisions granting Chinese citizens new rights in the standard 457 Visa program while removing Australian worker rights, including a radical new clause that removes labour market testing – the obligation for employers to look for qualified local workers first – for all Chinese citizens entering Australia ‘in order to temporarily work under an employment contract’. In previous FTAs, this international obligation was restricted to limited and defined categories listed in the FTAs, and did not extend to all skilled workers in the entire standard 457 Visa program. ChAFTA also contains an extraordinary broadening of ‘labour market testing’ and new built-in mechanisms for even further ‘liberalisation’ of the 457 visa and other temporary work visa programs. An unprecedented side-letter to the Agreement removes mandatory 457 Visa skills assessments for Chinese citizens in 10 skilled trades and commits Australia to removing these assessments for all other listed trades within 2-5 years. The China FTA includes an historic, non-reciprocal ‘Work and Holiday’ visa agreement that provides ‘up to 5,000’ 462 visas each year for young Chinese to live and work in Australia for a year with no reciprocal visa arrangement for any young Australians to visit and work in China. All Chinese 462 visa holders will be eligible for 457 visas, with no LMT obligation on their employers.

The China Australia Free Trade Agreement has to be ratified by Parliament.

The analysis can be found here.

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Date: 22/11/2015 16:48:31
From: wookiemeister
ID: 804435
Subject: re: you are going to be wiped out by the Free Trade Agreement

ChAFTA includes 457 visas for semi-skilled workers in the ‘Infrastructure Facilitation Arrangements’ (IFAs) in the labour mobility package. Australia has never before permitted 457 visas for semi-skilled workers in an FTA deal under Labor or even Coalition governments, including the Howard administration.

The Coalition’s IFAs are very different to EMAs. The threshold for EMAs was $2 billion with a workforce of at least 1,500. The threshold for IFAs in ChAFTA is only $150 million and no minimum workforce size. EMAs were also restricted to major resource projects, whereas IFAs are available for many sectors. EMAs required justification for skill shortage and mandatory labour market testing – neither of which are required under IFAs.

An unprecedented side-letter to the Agreement removes mandatory 457 Visa skills assessments for Chinese citizens in 10 skilled trades and commits Australia to removing these assessments for all other listed trades within 2-5 years.

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Date: 22/11/2015 16:50:19
From: wookiemeister
ID: 804437
Subject: re: you are going to be wiped out by the Free Trade Agreement

oh yes

with only 150 million dollars that means we don’t need engineers, doctors or any professionals either

there are a million doctors and engineers in china that can now all come over here

how much will your wages be worth when they walk in and take your job

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Date: 22/11/2015 16:58:19
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 804445
Subject: re: you are going to be wiped out by the Free Trade Agreement

> China Australia Free Trade Agreement

Wake me when the postage from Australia to China equals the postage from China to Australia.

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Date: 22/11/2015 16:59:37
From: Bubblecar
ID: 804447
Subject: re: you are going to be wiped out by the Free Trade Agreement

mollwollfumble said:


> China Australia Free Trade Agreement

Wake me when the postage from Australia to China equals the postage from China to Australia.

Chinese postage to Oz is cheap but ridiculously slow.

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Date: 22/11/2015 17:29:31
From: wookiemeister
ID: 804460
Subject: re: you are going to be wiped out by the Free Trade Agreement

1 Concessional’ 457 visas extended to semi-skilled – a first under any FTA

2 Rights to alter Infrastructure Facilitation Arrangements surrendered to
Chinese – another first

3 Investment and employment restrictions relaxed, target sectors extended,
checks and balances overlooked, unions excluded, access streamlined

4 Labour Market Testing abandoned

5 Mandatory skills assessments for safety removed

6 Unreciprocated generous ‘holiday’ visas offered to 5,000 young Chinese

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Date: 22/11/2015 20:27:47
From: party_pants
ID: 804500
Subject: re: you are going to be wiped out by the Free Trade Agreement

I’m not a member of the CFMEU, so it doesn’t affect me.

Secondly, ~6% is not extreme unemployment to any sane analyst.

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Date: 23/11/2015 00:03:22
From: wookiemeister
ID: 804558
Subject: re: you are going to be wiped out by the Free Trade Agreement

you’ve got no idea

its going to wipe out thousands of jobs here – its not a beat up

and the various trades positions including my own is about to get wiped out

that is only just the start – many positions will then be up for open tender on the market

one poor soul told me about how essentially people were being laid off for a triviality and then being replaced by a 457 visa

its not a scary story its happening now

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Date: 23/11/2015 09:06:47
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 804580
Subject: re: you are going to be wiped out by the Free Trade Agreement

party_pants said:


I’m not a member of the CFMEU, so it doesn’t affect me.

Secondly, ~6% is not extreme unemployment to any sane analyst.

There is no doubt that wookie’s posts on this subject are excessively wookieist, but the question remains, will this deal be of long term benefit to the people of Australia overall?

From my extremely limited knowledge, the answer to that question seems to be most likely no.

I don’t see what membership of the CFMEU or otherwise has to do with it.

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Date: 24/11/2015 12:24:41
From: Cymek
ID: 804885
Subject: re: you are going to be wiped out by the Free Trade Agreement

Are any trade deals beneficial to Australia in the long term, don’t we pretty much beg for scraps at the table of the big economic powers at the detriment to our own future.

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Date: 24/11/2015 13:14:24
From: dv
ID: 804899
Subject: re: you are going to be wiped out by the Free Trade Agreement

Cymek said:


Are any trade deals beneficial to Australia in the long term, don’t we pretty much beg for scraps at the table of the big economic powers at the detriment to our own future.

It is not a ZSG. 90% of the benefit might go to China or the USA but that doesn’t mean that it was not beneficial to Australia.

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Date: 24/11/2015 13:19:17
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 804903
Subject: re: you are going to be wiped out by the Free Trade Agreement

I’d be interested to see how anti-dumping laws are treated by FTAs.
Our steel industry is being choked by a glut of world steel mainly coming from China.
Our anti-dumping laws currently allow us to prosecute Chinese companies if they break ant-dumping laws.
None of this seems to have been canvassed in the media or parliament.

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Date: 24/11/2015 13:21:12
From: poikilotherm
ID: 804905
Subject: re: you are going to be wiped out by the Free Trade Agreement

Peak Warming Man said:


I’d be interested to see how anti-dumping laws are treated by FTAs.
Our steel industry is being choked by a glut of world steel mainly coming from China.
Our anti-dumping laws currently allow us to prosecute Chinese companies if they break ant-dumping laws.
None of this seems to have been canvassed in the media or parliament.

Must be all that cheap ore they keep buying from someone…

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Date: 24/11/2015 13:24:30
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 804906
Subject: re: you are going to be wiped out by the Free Trade Agreement

Must be all that cheap ore they keep buying from someone…

can’t see the trees for the forrest.

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