A couple of small fires were initially seen about 4 km to the west of me on the 15/16 November, but by the 17th and stronger winds were blowing it in my direction, I knew then I was in trouble, having had a similar occurrence 10 years earlier.

This was when the fire picked up speed and began advancing towards me.

Here it was getting closer.

And closer, that is my guttering on the left.

And even closer, that tank collects rainwater from my roof.

Fortunately the wind changed slightly and pushed the wildfire across the southern boundary of the property, the winds had been gusting to 100 km/hr by this stage and had it kept coming at me, I doubt if I could have saved the house.

Moving past on the southern part of the property and heading east, where there was a solid wall of flame running for kilometres.

These were taken on the 18/11/15, when the main fire had passed and the flanking flames were burning all the vegetation that had been left on our eastern boundary. These photos were taken from the front gate and looking over the road. I was hoping at this stage that the wind did not shift in my direction.

This is the aftermath of the fire taken on the 20th, where its intensity can be judged at how everything had been burnt. The column of smoke was from the remains of the fire near the coast at the southern end of Stockyard Road.

Holy! That would have been scary!

Luck certainly was with you.

PermeateFree said:

These were taken on the 18/11/15, when the main fire had passed and the flanking flames were burning all the vegetation that had been left on our eastern boundary. These photos were taken from the front gate and looking over the road. I was hoping at this stage that the wind did not shift in my direction.

This is the aftermath of the fire taken on the 20th, where its intensity can be judged at how everything had been burnt. The column of smoke was from the remains of the fire near the coast at the southern end of Stockyard Road.

If that bottom photo is convenient to you it might be an interesting project to mark a spot and take a weekly photo from that spot.

AwesomeO said:

PermeateFree said:

These were taken on the 18/11/15, when the main fire had passed and the flanking flames were burning all the vegetation that had been left on our eastern boundary. These photos were taken from the front gate and looking over the road. I was hoping at this stage that the wind did not shift in my direction.
!http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk18/W_Archer/Esperance%20Fires/008.jpg
!http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk18/W_Archer/Esperance%20Fires/009.jpg

This is the aftermath of the fire taken on the 20th, where its intensity can be judged at how everything had been burnt. The column of smoke was from the remains of the fire near the coast at the southern end of Stockyard Road.

If that bottom photo is convenient to you it might be an interesting project to mark a spot and take a weekly photo from that spot.

Awesome idea!

AwesomeO said:

PermeateFree said:

These were taken on the 18/11/15, when the main fire had passed and the flanking flames were burning all the vegetation that had been left on our eastern boundary. These photos were taken from the front gate and looking over the road. I was hoping at this stage that the wind did not shift in my direction.
!http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk18/W_Archer/Esperance%20Fires/008.jpg
!http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk18/W_Archer/Esperance%20Fires/009.jpg

This is the aftermath of the fire taken on the 20th, where its intensity can be judged at how everything had been burnt. The column of smoke was from the remains of the fire near the coast at the southern end of Stockyard Road.
!http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk18/W_Archer/Esperance%20Fires/010.jpg

If that bottom photo is convenient to you it might be an interesting project to mark a spot and take a weekly photo from that spot.

Nothing much will happen until after good autumn/winter rain. This is alkaline coastal scrub country, so lacks the diversity of where I am.

PermeateFree said:

AwesomeO said:

PermeateFree said:

These were taken on the 18/11/15, when the main fire had passed and the flanking flames were burning all the vegetation that had been left on our eastern boundary. These photos were taken from the front gate and looking over the road. I was hoping at this stage that the wind did not shift in my direction.
!http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk18/W_Archer/Esperance%20Fires/008.jpg
!http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk18/W_Archer/Esperance%20Fires/009.jpg

This is the aftermath of the fire taken on the 20th, where its intensity can be judged at how everything had been burnt. The column of smoke was from the remains of the fire near the coast at the southern end of Stockyard Road.
!http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk18/W_Archer/Esperance%20Fires/010.jpg

If that bottom photo is convenient to you it might be an interesting project to mark a spot and take a weekly photo from that spot.

Nothing much will happen until after good autumn/winter rain. This is alkaline coastal scrub country, so lacks the diversity of where I am.

First day of the month then, you might be surprised.

Certainly a scary experience.

AwesomeO said:

PermeateFree said:

AwesomeO said:

If that bottom photo is convenient to you it might be an interesting project to mark a spot and take a weekly photo from that spot.

Nothing much will happen until after good autumn/winter rain. This is alkaline coastal scrub country, so lacks the diversity of where I am.

First day of the month then, you might be surprised.

No, saw it all ten years ago. You will just get a picture of green as the new vegetation begins to grow, of which very little detail will be seen on that type of photo.

PermeateFree said:

AwesomeO said:

PermeateFree said:

Nothing much will happen until after good autumn/winter rain. This is alkaline coastal scrub country, so lacks the diversity of where I am.

First day of the month then, you might be surprised.

No, saw it all ten years ago. You will just get a picture of green as the new vegetation begins to grow, of which very little detail will be seen on that type of photo.

OK, post one on the 1st of January every 10 years.
Will that do?

Bubblecar said:

Certainly a scary experience.

Was on several occasions, but it is mainly a wait and see to determine the direction and speed of the wind.

Peak Warming Man said:

PermeateFree said:

AwesomeO said:

First day of the month then, you might be surprised.

No, saw it all ten years ago. You will just get a picture of green as the new vegetation begins to grow, of which very little detail will be seen on that type of photo.

OK, post one on the 1st of January every 10 years.
Will that do?

Unfortunately they would look worse than yours. Very difficult to capture the differences of vegetation in that setting. I take thousands of photos of individual plants. I do take landscapes, but only those with contrasting detail, otherwise they are just flat and uninteresting.

Bugger, I was expecting at least one photo of your keyboard, if not the entire computer you were posting messages on, to this inconsequential forum during the catastrophy.
No offence forum friends.

anyway, I would expect you would have done am anaylsis on how long it took the said wildlife to recover after the fire ten years past.

A bit slack if you didn’t pf?

The_observer said:

Bugger, I was expecting at least one photo of your keyboard, if not the entire computer you were posting messages on, to this inconsequential forum during the catastrophy.
No offence forum friends.

anyway, I would expect you would have done am anaylsis on how long it took the said wildlife to recover after the fire ten years past.

A bit slack if you didn’t pf?

The_observer said:

Bugger, I was expecting at least one photo of your keyboard, if not the entire computer you were posting messages on, to this inconsequential forum during the catastrophy.
No offence forum friends.

anyway, I would expect you would have done am anaylsis on how long it took the said wildlife to recover after the fire ten years past.

A bit slack if you didn’t pf?

Was it you that light that fire, by any chance?

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

Bugger, I was expecting at least one photo of your keyboard, if not the entire computer you were posting messages on, to this inconsequential forum during the catastrophy.
No offence forum friends.

anyway, I would expect you would have done am anaylsis on how long it took the said wildlife to recover after the fire ten years past.

A bit slack if you didn’t pf?

Was it you that light that fire, by any chance?

No, according to pf it was probably Kingy.

Anyway, hope you appreciated that rendition, as I had to postpone the washing-up to get that lot out.

PermeateFree said:

Anyway, hope you appreciated that rendition, as I had to postpone the washing-up to get that lot out.

I did. Amazing photos.

PermeateFree said:

Anyway, hope you appreciated that rendition, as I had to postpone the washing-up to get that lot out.

Yes very good.

PermeateFree said:

Anyway, hope you appreciated that rendition, as I had to postpone the washing-up to get that lot out.

I did, but I think you should have posted it on my ‘A day in the Life’ thread I started pf

don’t think it deserved a thread of it s own

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

Anyway, hope you appreciated that rendition, as I had to postpone the washing-up to get that lot out.

I did, but I think you should have posted it on my ‘A day in the Life’ thread I started pf

don’t think it deserved a thread of it s own

Just thought I would make it easier for you to use as a reference, as to what a bushfire looks like, as going on your comments, you don’t seem to have much of an idea.

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

Anyway, hope you appreciated that rendition, as I had to postpone the washing-up to get that lot out.

I did, but I think you should have posted it on my ‘A day in the Life’ thread I started pf

don’t think it deserved a thread of it s own

Just thought I would make it easier for you to use as a reference, as to what a bushfire looks like, as going on your comments, you don’t seem to have much of an idea.

well I’d guess you’d consider youself an expert on the matter, now

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

I did, but I think you should have posted it on my ‘A day in the Life’ thread I started pf

don’t think it deserved a thread of it s own

Just thought I would make it easier for you to use as a reference, as to what a bushfire looks like, as going on your comments, you don’t seem to have much of an idea.

well I’d guess you’d consider youself an expert on the matter, now

I have studied the effects of bushfires for many years, although combating such large fires is not my thing.

>>>I have studied the effects of bushfires for many years
<<<

but less than ten years, apparently

>>> although combating such large fires is not my thing.
<<<

yes,posting on the Holiday is more your thing, during a bush fire

The_observer said:

>>>I have studied the effects of bushfires for many years
<<<

but less than ten years, apparently

>>> although combating such large fires is not my thing.
<<<

yes,posting on the Holiday is more your thing, during a bush fire

You really are a very stupid person. Please go and annoy someone else.

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

>>>I have studied the effects of bushfires for many years
<<<

but less than ten years, apparently

>>> although combating such large fires is not my thing.
<<<

yes,posting on the Holiday is more your thing, during a bush fire

You really are a very stupid person. Please go and annoy someone else.

pf, can I ask who funded your research into the effects of bushfires,

and can you provide a link to those studies, & anyother studies you have written papers on?

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

>>>I have studied the effects of bushfires for many years
<<<

but less than ten years, apparently

>>> although combating such large fires is not my thing.
<<<

yes,posting on the Holiday is more your thing, during a bush fire

You really are a very stupid person. Please go and annoy someone else.

pf, can I ask who funded your research into the effects of bushfires,

and can you provide a link to those studies, & anyother studies you have written papers on?

I funded the research myself and I could give you details of papers I have written, but I don’t think you would understand them.

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

You really are a very stupid person. Please go and annoy someone else.

pf, can I ask who funded your research into the effects of bushfires,

and can you provide a link to those studies, & anyother studies you have written papers on?

I funded the research myself and I could give you details of papers I have written, but I don’t think you would understand them.

self funded LOL

I’m quite sure I would understand them

And even if I couldn’t I bet at least Kingy might be able too.

Now put up or shut up

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

pf, can I ask who funded your research into the effects of bushfires,

and can you provide a link to those studies, & anyother studies you have written papers on?

I funded the research myself and I could give you details of papers I have written, but I don’t think you would understand them.

self funded LOL

I’m quite sure I would understand them

And even if I couldn’t I bet at least Kingy might be able too.

Now put up or shut up

Observer, lets get a few things straight. You are an idiot, so why should I care what you think? You are stupid, so why on earth would I want to impress you? The only reason I have been speaking to you here is because it is my thread and sometimes when discussing things even with fools, some point are brought out to make it more interesting, but with you, it is just stupid, stupid and more stupid.

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

I funded the research myself and I could give you details of papers I have written, but I don’t think you would understand them.

self funded LOL

I’m quite sure I would understand them

And even if I couldn’t I bet at least Kingy might be able too.

Now put up or shut up

Observer, lets get a few things straight. You are an idiot, so why should I care what you think? You are stupid, so why on earth would I want to impress you? The only reason I have been speaking to you here is because it is my thread and sometimes when discussing things even with fools, some point are brought out to make it more interesting, but with you, it is just stupid, stupid and more stupid.

so you have done no research on fires or anything else

have no papers published on fires or anything else

you take a decent photo

perhaps you would have like to have been an environmental reporter of photographer?

don’t pretend to be someone or something you are not

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

self funded LOL

I’m quite sure I would understand them

And even if I couldn’t I bet at least Kingy might be able too.

Now put up or shut up

Observer, lets get a few things straight. You are an idiot, so why should I care what you think? You are stupid, so why on earth would I want to impress you? The only reason I have been speaking to you here is because it is my thread and sometimes when discussing things even with fools, some point are brought out to make it more interesting, but with you, it is just stupid, stupid and more stupid.

so you have done no research on fires or anything else

have no papers published on fires or anything else

you take a decent photo

perhaps you would have like to have been an environmental reporter of photographer?

don’t pretend to be someone or something you are not

Idiot!

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

pf, can I ask who funded your research into the effects of bushfires,

and can you provide a link to those studies, & anyother studies you have written papers on?

I funded the research myself and I could give you details of papers I have written, but I don’t think you would understand them.

self funded LOL

I’m quite sure I would understand them

And even if I couldn’t I bet at least Kingy might be able too.

Now put up or shut up

By “Put or shut up” do you mean, “Put this up your arse, and shut up?”

Sorry about that interaction with the Observer. All I wanted to do was show what conditions were like in Esperance during the recent fires. It is not a common occurrence, so thought it might be of interest. I did not expect it to be trashed the way it was. It is really not surprising that very few threads are started here, with chat being the main outlet, it is just not worth the effort.

Very interesting photos. Thanks for posting.

PermeateFree said:

Sorry about that interaction with the Observer. All I wanted to do was show what conditions were like in Esperance during the recent fires. It is not a common occurrence, so thought it might be of interest. I did not expect it to be trashed the way it was. It is really not surprising that very few threads are started here, with chat being the main outlet, it is just not worth the effort.

no need to apologise pf

just link one of your expert research paper you’ve had published on the effects of bushfires, or any thing else you have published.

Not much to askfrom someone of your prestiege?

PermeateFree said:

Sorry about that interaction with the Observer. All I wanted to do was show what conditions were like in Esperance during the recent fires. It is not a common occurrence, so thought it might be of interest. I did not expect it to be trashed the way it was. It is really not surprising that very few threads are started here, with chat being the main outlet, it is just not worth the effort.

Yeah, back in the good old days we used to have threads that you could easily follow and not have to wade thru piles of poop to follow something that interested you. ah the good old days.

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

Sorry about that interaction with the Observer. All I wanted to do was show what conditions were like in Esperance during the recent fires. It is not a common occurrence, so thought it might be of interest. I did not expect it to be trashed the way it was. It is really not surprising that very few threads are started here, with chat being the main outlet, it is just not worth the effort.

no need to apologise pf

just link one of your expert research paper you’ve had published on the effects of bushfires, or any thing else you have published.

Not much to askfrom someone of your prestiege?

Now, nice photos pf, but yesterday I read a post of yours where you refered to me as a liar & misinformer.

Deary me

You sir are a

perjurer

a phoney

a fabricator

a prevaricator

and many other definitions one could find in a common dictionary, including complete bullshit artist

The_observer said:

Now, nice photos pf, but yesterday I read a post of yours where you refered to me as a liar & misinformer.

Deary me

You sir are a

perjurer

a phoney

a fabricator

a prevaricator

and many other definitions one could find in a common dictionary, including complete bullshit artist

Yet you can’t help but engage him. He must be doing something right.

Great pictures, Permeate Free….it’s quite a moonscape now. The ability of Australian plants to grow after something like that is a marvel.

Witty Rejoinder said:

The_observer said:

Now, nice photos pf, but yesterday I read a post of yours where you refered to me as a liar & misinformer.

Deary me

You sir are a

perjurer

a phoney

a fabricator

a prevaricator

and many other definitions one could find in a common dictionary, including complete bullshit artist

Yet you can’t help but engage him. He must be doing something right.

Nah, PF is just a lying arrogant dickhead who can’t backup when his bluff is called. Annoys me as well, if you hadn’t noticed :)

jjjust moi said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The_observer said:

Now, nice photos pf, but yesterday I read a post of yours where you refered to me as a liar & misinformer.

Deary me

You sir are a

perjurer

a phoney

a fabricator

a prevaricator

and many other definitions one could find in a common dictionary, including complete bullshit artist

Yet you can’t help but engage him. He must be doing something right.

Nah, PF is just a lying arrogant dickhead who can’t backup when his bluff is called. Annoys me as well, if you hadn’t noticed :)

And he suggests that you & I are the same person jm

probably has a paper published on it

The main fires were 80k or so NNW from where PF is. Near grass Patch and Salmon Gums.

They were the ones with the loss of life and some 250 k fire front.

The stuff neat PF is coastal heath and would be lucky to be 2 meters high. More a scrub fire than bush fire.

Interesting photos, pf.

You live in a very beautiful area. It always seems such a waste to see it burnt in this way. Do they know how these fires were started?

As suggested earlier, it could be interesting to “watch” it regenerate via a series of photos. Perhaps the view with your gutters or the rainwater tank could be easier.

lightning strikes speedy.

Speedy said:

Interesting photos, pf.

You live in a very beautiful area. It always seems such a waste to see it burnt in this way. Do they know how these fires were started?

As suggested earlier, it could be interesting to “watch” it regenerate via a series of photos. Perhaps the view with your gutters or the rainwater tank could be easier.

Lightning.

JudgeMental said:

lightning strikes speedy.

Thanks Mr Mental :)

Lightning is the main suspect, although it might have been someone from this forum.

party_pants said:

Lightning is the main suspect, although it might have been someone from this forum.

rom: jjjust moi
ID: 805150
Subject: re: Esperance Fires
The main fires were 80k or so NNW from where PF is. Near grass Patch and Salmon Gums.

They were the ones with the loss of life and some 250 k fire front.

The stuff neat PF is coastal heath and would be lucky to be 2 meters high. More a scrub fire than bush fire.

=====

No

jjjust moi said:

The main fires were 80k or so NNW from where PF is. Near grass Patch and Salmon Gums.

They were the ones with the loss of life and some 250 k fire front.

The stuff neat PF is coastal heath and would be lucky to be 2 meters high. More a scrub fire than bush fire.

You ARE the Observer jjjust moi, although I must admit nobody would want to be thought so, which then makes you an idiot too..

party_pants said:

Lightning is the main suspect, although it might have been someone from this forum.

So with Kingy asking how the fire is going and PF commenting on him lighting fires, something is starting to smell in the state of Esperance I think.

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

The main fires were 80k or so NNW from where PF is. Near grass Patch and Salmon Gums.

They were the ones with the loss of life and some 250 k fire front.

The stuff neat PF is coastal heath and would be lucky to be 2 meters high. More a scrub fire than bush fire.

You ARE the Observer jjjust moi, although I must admit nobody would want to be thought so, which then makes you an idiot too..

see what I mean

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

The main fires were 80k or so NNW from where PF is. Near grass Patch and Salmon Gums.

They were the ones with the loss of life and some 250 k fire front.

The stuff neat PF is coastal heath and would be lucky to be 2 meters high. More a scrub fire than bush fire.

You ARE the Observer jjjust moi, although I must admit nobody would want to be thought so, which then makes you an idiot too..

I spent 10 years down that way PF, I know the place well. Pity the whole shitheap didn’t burn.

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

The main fires were 80k or so NNW from where PF is. Near grass Patch and Salmon Gums.

They were the ones with the loss of life and some 250 k fire front.

The stuff neat PF is coastal heath and would be lucky to be 2 meters high. More a scrub fire than bush fire.

You ARE the Observer jjjust moi, although I must admit nobody would want to be thought so, which then makes you an idiot too..

I spent 10 years down that way PF, I know the place well. Pity the whole shitheap didn’t burn.

Idiot!

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

The main fires were 80k or so NNW from where PF is. Near grass Patch and Salmon Gums.

They were the ones with the loss of life and some 250 k fire front.

The stuff neat PF is coastal heath and would be lucky to be 2 meters high. More a scrub fire than bush fire.

You ARE the Observer jjjust moi, although I must admit nobody would want to be thought so, which then makes you an idiot too..

I spent 10 years down that way PF, I know the place well. Pity the whole shitheap didn’t burn.

that’s grand laddie

now you know what to do

burn’em , burn’em all

you just need wookie in here with his drones and all the nutters will be in one spot.

LOL, speak of the devil.

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

You ARE the Observer jjjust moi, although I must admit nobody would want to be thought so, which then makes you an idiot too..

I spent 10 years down that way PF, I know the place well. Pity the whole shitheap didn’t burn.

Idiot!

Your thread PF.

Anything about sympathy for the deaths. The loss of stock and buildings where the REAL fire was?

No, look at me poor me.

A class fucking dickhead.

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

I spent 10 years down that way PF, I know the place well. Pity the whole shitheap didn’t burn.

Idiot!

Your thread PF.

Anything about sympathy for the deaths. The loss of stock and buildings where the REAL fire was?

No, look at me poor me.

A class fucking dickhead.

but he takes a good photo

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

I spent 10 years down that way PF, I know the place well. Pity the whole shitheap didn’t burn.

Idiot!

Your thread PF.

Anything about sympathy for the deaths. The loss of stock and buildings where the REAL fire was?

No, look at me poor me.

A class fucking dickhead.

The Observer (aka) jjjust moi. You must have been very upset when I proved your stupid climate change crap, was just that crap! Get over it idiot.

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

Idiot!

Your thread PF.

Anything about sympathy for the deaths. The loss of stock and buildings where the REAL fire was?

No, look at me poor me.

A class fucking dickhead.

The Observer (aka) jjjust moi. You must have been very upset when I proved your stupid climate change crap, was just that crap! Get over it idiot.

good photos, but completely delusional

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

Idiot!

Your thread PF.

Anything about sympathy for the deaths. The loss of stock and buildings where the REAL fire was?

No, look at me poor me.

A class fucking dickhead.

The Observer (aka) jjjust moi. You must have been very upset when I proved your stupid climate change crap, was just that crap! Get over it idiot.

Answer your lack of empathy

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

Your thread PF.

Anything about sympathy for the deaths. The loss of stock and buildings where the REAL fire was?

No, look at me poor me.

A class fucking dickhead.

The Observer (aka) jjjust moi. You must have been very upset when I proved your stupid climate change crap, was just that crap! Get over it idiot.

Answer your lack of empathy

I want to see the papers he says he’s published

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

Your thread PF.

Anything about sympathy for the deaths. The loss of stock and buildings where the REAL fire was?

No, look at me poor me.

A class fucking dickhead.

The Observer (aka) jjjust moi. You must have been very upset when I proved your stupid climate change crap, was just that crap! Get over it idiot.

good photos, but completely delusional

Don’t think so, no two people could be that similar. Have always know that you were a fraud, by now we know jjjust moi is the same.

can someone quote the nutters so i can see what crap they’re spouting, please? i don’t actually read that dross. but i am still curious.

;-)

The_observer said:

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

The Observer (aka) jjjust moi. You must have been very upset when I proved your stupid climate change crap, was just that crap! Get over it idiot.

Answer your lack of empathy

I want to see the papers he says he’s published

Never happened.

He’s posted some page on the net about the Esperance area, but we all know what a reliable source the net is.

The_observer said:

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

The Observer (aka) jjjust moi. You must have been very upset when I proved your stupid climate change crap, was just that crap! Get over it idiot.

Answer your lack of empathy

I want to see the papers he says he’s published

Besides your own, do you use one of your kids computers too, One for the Observer and the other for jjjust moi. but you still get them wrong.

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

jjjust moi said:

Answer your lack of empathy

I want to see the papers he says he’s published

Besides your own, do you use one of your kids computers too, One for the Observer and the other for jjjust moi. but you still get them wrong.

someones vewy vewy upset, he he he

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

jjjust moi said:

Answer your lack of empathy

I want to see the papers he says he’s published

Besides your own, do you use one of your kids computers too, One for the Observer and the other for jjjust moi. but you still get them wrong.

Answer the question PF.

You can’t, can you?

JudgeMental said:

can someone quote the nutters so i can see what crap they’re spouting, please? i don’t actually read that dross. but i am still curious.

;-)

Is the Observer/jjjust moi your latest attack dog Boris? He not doing a very good job though is he? But what can you expect from an idiot?

PermeateFree said:

JudgeMental said:

can someone quote the nutters so i can see what crap they’re spouting, please? i don’t actually read that dross. but i am still curious.

;-)

Is the Observer/jjjust moi your latest attack dog Boris? He not doing a very good job though is he? But what can you expect from an idiot?

who the fuck is Boris anyway

has he written a paper on something, or claims he has?

PermeateFree said:

JudgeMental said:

can someone quote the nutters so i can see what crap they’re spouting, please? i don’t actually read that dross. but i am still curious.

;-)

Is the Observer/jjjust moi your latest attack dog Boris? He not doing a very good job though is he? But what can you expect from an idiot?

The question PF, the question. Try to get back to it.

Anyway, I have wasted far too much time on the idiot.

PermeateFree said:

Anyway, I have wasted far too much time on the idiot.

Ah, capitulation. Liar confirmed.

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

JudgeMental said:

can someone quote the nutters so i can see what crap they’re spouting, please? i don’t actually read that dross. but i am still curious.

;-)

Is the Observer/jjjust moi your latest attack dog Boris? He not doing a very good job though is he? But what can you expect from an idiot?

The question PF, the question. Try to get back to it.

he’ll just keep ignoring the question, and has no shame

PermeateFree said:

Anyway, I have wasted far too much time on the idiot.

goodnight from me & goodnight from him, professor

JudgeMental said:

you just need wookie in here with his drones and all the nutters will be in one spot.

LOL, speak of the devil.

good , gooood boris

Give I to your hate, it’s the thing that gives you strength

wookiemeister said:

JudgeMental said:

you just need wookie in here with his drones and all the nutters will be in one spot.

LOL, speak of the devil.

good , gooood boris

Give I to your hate, it’s the thing that gives you strength

Haters going to hate

CrazyNeutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

JudgeMental said:

you just need wookie in here with his drones and all the nutters will be in one spot.

LOL, speak of the devil.

good , gooood boris

Give I to your hate, it’s the thing that gives you strength

Haters going to hate

Dickheads gotta dick.

jjjust moi said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

good , gooood boris

Give I to your hate, it’s the thing that gives you strength

Haters going to hate

Dickheads gotta dick.

Friendly people say Hi

Cows jump over the moon

PermeateFree said:

These were taken on the 18/11/15, when the main fire had passed and the flanking flames were burning all the vegetation that had been left on our eastern boundary. These photos were taken from the front gate and looking over the road. I was hoping at this stage that the wind did not shift in my direction.

That’s too @#$%^ close for comfort. I like the suggestion above of taking photos once a month from the same spot to show regrowth.

Please do the following the regeneration thing. I think pf and I compared photos when we had a burn about 10 years ago too. I won’t fill his thread, but here are a couple of mine. I was particularly interested in the way the grass trees came back. We have Xanthorrhoea minor.

I also wrote a sort of journal, and then a piece for the Trust for Nature people. I called it The Phoenix of the Bush. There were bigger fires around Victoria around the same time, so mine was a very small project, and I do not have formal training in the subject. I did have some help from a local lady who grows the plants for revegetation areas. She was amazing. She could look at the first two germination leaves and often tell what plant was coming back. I admit we had some rain shortly after the burn. If pf’s is anything like ours, the ants will already be working in the sand.

(Our land at Digby was sand dunes when the dinosaurs roamed, so grey sandy stuff)

Somewhere I have a series of three spots I chose and photographed quite frequently initially, then at longer intervals. Not quite sure where they are at the moment, and this is pf’s story here anyway.

The land has been recovering from fire for far longer than we have been here attempting to destroy that capacity.

Ooh, and a request please pf. When it does rain and the orchids come…can we have a thread on those please? Your WA orchids are so much bigger and brighter than our Eastern state ones. And especially after a fire.

roughbarked said:

The land has been recovering from fire for far longer than we have been here attempting to destroy that capacity.

we’ve got fracking

buffy said:

Ooh, and a request please pf. When it does rain and the orchids come…can we have a thread on those please? Your WA orchids are so much bigger and brighter than our Eastern state ones. And especially after a fire.

Yes please.

I was processing some of my brother’s pictures of WA orchids yesterday. Love them!

buffy said:

Ooh, and a request please pf. When it does rain and the orchids come…can we have a thread on those please? Your WA orchids are so much bigger and brighter than our Eastern state ones. And especially after a fire.

Anything of interest I shall, but we have something like 80 species in normal times.

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

Ooh, and a request please pf. When it does rain and the orchids come…can we have a thread on those please? Your WA orchids are so much bigger and brighter than our Eastern state ones. And especially after a fire.

Anything of interest I shall, but we have something like 80 species in normal times.

Thanks. If you have carpets of them, can we see them please.

buffy said:

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

Ooh, and a request please pf. When it does rain and the orchids come…can we have a thread on those please? Your WA orchids are so much bigger and brighter than our Eastern state ones. And especially after a fire.

Anything of interest I shall, but we have something like 80 species in normal times.

Thanks. If you have carpets of them, can we see them please.

Sure.

buffy said:

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

Ooh, and a request please pf. When it does rain and the orchids come…can we have a thread on those please? Your WA orchids are so much bigger and brighter than our Eastern state ones. And especially after a fire.

Anything of interest I shall, but we have something like 80 species in normal times.

Thanks. If you have carpets of them, can we see them please.

If you want to see the regeneration of the land and vegetation, the link below covers the 2005 fire.

http://esperancewildflowers.blogspot.com.au/2010/06/xanthorrhoea-platyphylla-grasstree.html

Ta, I remember that from that time. Or perhaps I looked at it a bit later. I might go back and look again tonight though.

Fires are moving east. SA next, then Vic.

bump

have you been told today?

ChrispenEvan said:

have you been told today?

Actually I was using this thread to defuse the situation :)

sorry, but that is not the reality i choose to believe.

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

Bugger, I was expecting at least one photo of your keyboard, if not the entire computer you were posting messages on, to this inconsequential forum during the catastrophy.
No offence forum friends.

anyway, I would expect you would have done am anaylsis on how long it took the said wildlife to recover after the fire ten years past.

A bit slack if you didn’t pf?

Was it you that light that fire, by any chance?

No, according to pf it was probably Kingy.

Yep, I drove 750km to light a fire so that I could drive back and then send one of my best crews and trucks 750km away to fight it while I try to find other crews to fight fires here, just so that I could be accused of arson by some imbecile on the internet.

Sounds legit.

I wonder if pf has volunteered to do anything useful there. My guess is no.

Kingy said:

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Was it you that light that fire, by any chance?

No, according to pf it was probably Kingy.

Yep, I drove 750km to light a fire so that I could drive back and then send one of my best crews and trucks 750km away to fight it while I try to find other crews to fight fires here, just so that I could be accused of arson by some imbecile on the internet.

Sounds legit.

I wonder if pf has volunteered to do anything useful there. My guess is no.

Kingy, the Observer is just trying to stir up trouble, what I said was just a light hearted remark made in jest. As you will, should see by the remarks of the Observer, he was just trying to make me look bad. Anyway, you are barking up the wrong tree.

Kingy said:

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Was it you that light that fire, by any chance?

No, according to pf it was probably Kingy.

Yep, I drove 750km to light a fire so that I could drive back and then send one of my best crews and trucks 750km away to fight it while I try to find other crews to fight fires here, just so that I could be accused of arson by some imbecile on the internet.

Sounds legit.

I wonder if pf has volunteered to do anything useful there. My guess is no.

Lets get a few things straight Kingy!

I was here and very close to the main fire path, which I remind you had 41 degree temperatures and wind gusting to 100 km/hr. Have you even experienced this sort of thing yourself? I doubt it! I live on a property in its natural state i.e. covered in bush and in such extreme fire conditions I can assure you it is no picnic being here and ready to protect it.

I didn’t ask you to come 750 km, nor did I want or need your assistance, as I am very self-sufficient and used to fighting my own fires, so don’t try and hang that on me. And due to the circumstances and the high risk to myself and property, what do you suggest I do as a volunteer, leave the place and not be allowed back by people like you? I think you must be joking.

And before you go and accuse me of such things, kindy get your facts straight first!

As you might have guessed I am damned annoyed that a Climate Change Denying idiot should be considered a reliable source of information.

PermeateFree said:

Kingy said:

The_observer said:

No, according to pf it was probably Kingy.

Yep, I drove 750km to light a fire so that I could drive back and then send one of my best crews and trucks 750km away to fight it while I try to find other crews to fight fires here, just so that I could be accused of arson by some imbecile on the internet.

Sounds legit.

I wonder if pf has volunteered to do anything useful there. My guess is no.

Lets get a few things straight Kingy!

I was here and very close to the main fire path, which I remind you had 41 degree temperatures and wind gusting to 100 km/hr. Have you even experienced this sort of thing yourself? I doubt it! I live on a property in its natural state i.e. covered in bush and in such extreme fire conditions I can assure you it is no picnic being here and ready to protect it.

I didn’t ask you to come 750 km, nor did I want or need your assistance, as I am very self-sufficient and used to fighting my own fires, so don’t try and hang that on me. And due to the circumstances and the high risk to myself and property, what do you suggest I do as a volunteer, leave the place and not be allowed back by people like you? I think you must be joking.

And before you go and accuse me of such things, kindy get your facts straight first!

As you might have guessed I am damned annoyed that a Climate Change Denying idiot should be considered a reliable source of information.

Sorry, I have had too much on my plate to follow the chat thread to find out what was said.

“41 degree temperatures and wind gusting to 100 km/hr. Have you even experienced this sort of thing yourself?”

Yes, several times. I almost lost my best mate in one of those. He spent months in the burns unit. He was on the back of a light tanker trying to defend someone elses property.

You may not have needed our assistance, but Scaddan did. Our guys spent half the time fighting the fires with them, and half the time providing grief counselling due to the very recent death of one of their members. Our crew was recalled on Saturday due to the potential for more emotional distress, and also as we needed them for other fires.

This is shaping up to be a particularly bad fire season. We are not even in Summer yet.

Kingy said:

This is shaping up to be a particularly bad fire season. We are not even in Summer yet.

Hear hear.

PermeateFree said:

Kingy said:

The_observer said:

No, according to pf it was probably Kingy.

Yep, I drove 750km to light a fire so that I could drive back and then send one of my best crews and trucks 750km away to fight it while I try to find other crews to fight fires here, just so that I could be accused of arson by some imbecile on the internet.

Sounds legit.

I wonder if pf has volunteered to do anything useful there. My guess is no.

Lets get a few things straight Kingy!

bla bla bla, bla bla bla

And before you go and accuse me of such things, kindy +get your facts straight firs+t!

As you might have guessed I am damned annoyed that a Climate Change Denying idiot should be considered a reliable source of information.

.

what pf, are you again saying that I am a lier,,,, again?

Are you denying what you said pf ?

==========================================================

From: PermeateFree . . Date: 17/11/2015 20:15:17 . . . ID: 802385

Subject: re: November chat

PermeateFree said:
The CFA are pulling back, they were just down the road, then backed up to me, but it sounds like they have retreated to the main road, 700 metres away. They had a bulldozer clearing breaks, but was overrun, so he has come back too.

Peak Warming Man said:
Probably Kingy.

PermeateFree said:
No, he would probably be too busy lighting them.

=============

so their you go Kingy, that IS what pf said.

But he also says he done years of scientific research on bushfires, but won’t show the papers he says he’s written on the subject.

I think we know who the liar is around here

In fact Kingy, here’s a link to that post

PermeateFree is a liar

just incase the grub tries to wriggle his way out of it again

The_observer said:

In fact Kingy, here’s a link to that post

PermeateFree is a liar

just incase the grub tries to wriggle his way out of it again

I’m sure Kingy has the sense to ignore all of this pointless shit-stirring.

Bubblecar said:

The_observer said:

In fact Kingy, here’s a link to that post

PermeateFree is a liar

just incase the grub tries to wriggle his way out of it again

I’m sure Kingy has the sense to ignore all of this pointless shit-stirring.

apparently not

The_observer said:

Bubblecar said:

The_observer said:

In fact Kingy, here’s a link to that post

PermeateFree is a liar

just incase the grub tries to wriggle his way out of it again

I’m sure Kingy has the sense to ignore all of this pointless shit-stirring.

apparently not

Yes but he’s ignoring you, which is a start.

Bubblecar said:

The_observer said:

Bubblecar said:

I’m sure Kingy has the sense to ignore all of this pointless shit-stirring.

apparently not

Yes but he’s ignoring you, which is a start.

that’s fine with me

The_observer said:

In fact Kingy, here’s a link to that post

PermeateFree is a liar

just incase the grub tries to wriggle his way out of it again

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

In fact Kingy, here’s a link to that post

PermeateFree is a liar

just incase the grub tries to wriggle his way out of it again

Despite the likelihood of The Observer never letting me live that error down. I bring you him and his sock puppet in a more suitable size.

I just started this thread to show the wildfire that raged around me for several days, no more. I did not expect the character assignation that followed, however in order to address some of the offensive remarks, something might be salvaged from the thread and additional information added.

The Observer said:
>>so you have done no research on fires or anything else
have no papers published on fires or anything else<<

This is simply not true, although I don’t feel obliged to reveal all my past life just to satisfy a fool like the Observer. However I shall refer you to a post I made in a blog of mine 9 years ago, which will provide information of the problems with fire management today and why these large fires will persist on a regular basis.

http://natureitems.blogspot.com.au/2006/12/fire-management-european-verses.html

PermeateFree said:

I just started this thread to show the wildfire that raged around me for several days, no more. I did not expect the character assignation that followed, however in order to address some of the offensive remarks, something might be salvaged from the thread and additional information added.

The Observer said:
>>so you have done no research on fires or anything else
have no papers published on fires or anything else<<

This is simply not true, although I don’t feel obliged to reveal all my past life just to satisfy a fool like the Observer. However I shall refer you to a post I made in a blog of mine 9 years ago, which will provide information of the problems with fire management today and why these large fires will persist on a regular basis.

http://natureitems.blogspot.com.au/2006/12/fire-management-european-verses.html

I heard you played the fiddle whilst the bush fires raged

Below is a quote from the Observers sock puppet jjjust moi:

>>The main fires were 80k or so NNW from where PF is. Near grass Patch and Salmon Gums.
They were the ones with the loss of life and some 250 k fire front.
The stuff neat PF is coastal heath and would be lucky to be 2 meters high. More a scrub fire than bush fire.<<

Yes there were large fires to the north of Esperance, but there was also another, the Stockyard Creek fire (near me) at Merivale. This fire was reported on the news and filmed on national TV on all the main channels. It was written up extensively in most papers and discussed at length on the radio. However like the science of Global Warming, the Observer missed them all.

There was considerable acreage burnt and I understand a couple of homes, the power was off for 6 days and the mainline telephone is still down. The flames flared several hundred feet into the air, well above the 2 metres stated above. The reason the flames reached such heights is due to the high dune system around Stockyard Creek, which runs from west to east (the main direction of the 100 km/hr winds).

These dunes are very steep sided especially on their southern sides and covered with dense vegetation to 3 metres in height. At their base on the dune gully near me are thickly wooded areas, mallee eucalypts to 6 metres in height. The Stockyard Creek gully is something like 50 metres deep and very densely covered in tall vegetation.

The wildfire flames set these areas of dense vegetation alight, which raced up the very step sides being feed by the huge fuel load. These fires were completely unsurvivable if you were anywhere near them, let alone if caught between the dunes.

The photo below is taken from where I am immediately to the north of them. The gully behind the first dune is much deeper than the floor in front and the larger dune behind (above the creek) is deeper again.

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

I just started this thread to show the wildfire that raged around me for several days, no more. I did not expect the character assignation that followed, however in order to address some of the offensive remarks, something might be salvaged from the thread and additional information added.

The Observer said:
>>so you have done no research on fires or anything else
have no papers published on fires or anything else<<

This is simply not true, although I don’t feel obliged to reveal all my past life just to satisfy a fool like the Observer. However I shall refer you to a post I made in a blog of mine 9 years ago, which will provide information of the problems with fire management today and why these large fires will persist on a regular basis.

http://natureitems.blogspot.com.au/2006/12/fire-management-european-verses.html

I heard you played the fiddle whilst the bush fires raged

Well according to the Observer I was posting to the forum, instead of getting out there with a wet sack to fire the fire.

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

The main fires were 80k or so NNW from where PF is. Near grass Patch and Salmon Gums.

They were the ones with the loss of life and some 250 k fire front.

The stuff neat PF is coastal heath and would be lucky to be 2 meters high. More a scrub fire than bush fire.

You ARE the Observer jjjust moi, although I must admit nobody would want to be thought so, which then makes you an idiot too..

I spent 10 years down that way PF, I know the place well. Pity the whole shitheap didn’t burn.

Unfortunately JM, I don’t think you do, otherwise you would not be making such silly statements.

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

I spent 10 years down that way PF, I know the place well. Pity the whole shitheap didn’t burn.

Idiot!

Your thread PF.

Anything about sympathy for the deaths. The loss of stock and buildings where the REAL fire was?

No, look at me poor me.

A class fucking dickhead.

This thread is about my experiences during the fires, not of others that I had no additional information other than what was on the news.

PermeateFree said:

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

In fact Kingy, here’s a link to that post

PermeateFree is a liar

just incase the grub tries to wriggle his way out of it again

Despite the likelihood of The Observer never letting me live that error down. I bring you him and his sock puppet in a more suitable size.

caught lying to Kingy hey pf

caught red handed ya grub

The_observer said:

Don’t understand that.

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

Don’t understand that.

It’s a caricature of you pf

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

Don’t understand that.

It’s a caricature of you pf

It must be a very strange world where you live.

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

Don’t understand that.

It’s a caricature of you pf

It must be a very strange world where you live.

didn’t the staff in the boy’s home ever read Pinocchio to you pf ?

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

It’s a caricature of you pf

It must be a very strange world where you live.

didn’t the staff in the boy’s home ever read Pinocchio to you pf ?

And?

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

It must be a very strange world where you live.

didn’t the staff in the boy’s home ever read Pinocchio to you pf ?

And?

well, lets just say you could break the pole vault record if you tripped over while running to your keyboard

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

didn’t the staff in the boy’s home ever read Pinocchio to you pf ?

And?

well, lets just say you could break the pole vault record if you tripped over while running to your keyboard

Still don’t understand, possibly because I did not make many posts as the fire approached. There were just a handful of short posts relating to the intensity of the fire and my anxiety.

Evening all.

Payday today, so I bought some more tools. It was the will of Allan.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/esperance-farewell-fire-hero-kym-freddy-curnow/news-story/0efe3e22939c86d479893ad4b7c5fd32?utm_content=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=EditorialSF&utm_source=PerthNow&utm_medium=Facebook

Suppose you were there PF?

jjjust moi said:

Suppose you were there PF?

fer gawd’s sake. Why?

roughbarked said:

jjjust moi said:

Suppose you were there PF?

fer gawd’s sake. Why?

Why not?

jjjust moi said:

roughbarked said:

jjjust moi said:

Suppose you were there PF?

fer gawd’s sake. Why?

Why not?

No reason but your question was what I aimed at. Why do you need to ask?

roughbarked said:

jjjust moi said:

roughbarked said:

fer gawd’s sake. Why?

Why not?

No reason but your question was what I aimed at. Why do you need to ask?

PF started the thread, obiously concerned about the fires.

One of the victims funeral was today, not far from where he is. Did he attend?

jjjust moi said:

roughbarked said:

jjjust moi said:

Why not?

No reason but your question was what I aimed at. Why do you need to ask?

PF started the thread, obiously concerned about the fires.

One of the victims funeral was today, not far from where he is. Did he attend?

Why not wait until he volunteers the information if he deems to talk about it at all?

jjjust moi said:

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/esperance-farewell-fire-hero-kym-freddy-curnow/news-story/0efe3e22939c86d479893ad4b7c5fd32?utm_content=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=EditorialSF&utm_source=PerthNow&utm_medium=Facebook

Suppose you were there PF?

Why should I be, I did not know or have any connection with him, although my wife got caught up in the funeral procession that had around 4,000 people, so I don’t think he would have missed me.

jjjust moi said:

roughbarked said:

jjjust moi said:

Why not?

No reason but your question was what I aimed at. Why do you need to ask?

PF started the thread, obiously concerned about the fires.

One of the victims funeral was today, not far from where he is. Did he attend?

Have you any compassion for all the lives that will be lost due to global warming and of which you have had a hand in delaying. Doubt if it even entered your head!