Date: 2/12/2015 11:50:18
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 807774
Subject: Religion and Discrimination
Why should religious people be allowed to discriminate?
Why should religious people be allowed to discriminate?
We’ve got lumps of it round the back…
CrazyNeutrino said:
Why should religious people be allowed to discriminate?
It’s one of the fundamental features of human society, exclusivity. The club, the clan etc – people within your definition are welcome inside the group, people outside are not. Religion is just another way of coming up with a definition of who is in and who is out. But excluding outsiders seems to be a fundamental trait of human social organisation.
Social isolation doesn’t work on me, I actually prefer my own company and find socialising annoying.
CrazyNeutrino said:
Why should religious people be allowed to discriminate?
what exactly do you mean?
diddly-squat said:
CrazyNeutrino said:Why should religious people be allowed to discriminate?
what exactly do you mean?
Stating a religious affiliation for jobs used to be or perhaps still is a requirement with some religious based organisations
Cymek said:
Social isolation doesn’t work on me, I actually prefer my own company and find socialising annoying.
Have you always been that way?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
Social isolation doesn’t work on me, I actually prefer my own company and find socialising annoying.
Have you always been that way?
Pretty much, I don’t have a problem with it but my wife reckons its weird.
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
Social isolation doesn’t work on me, I actually prefer my own company and find socialising annoying.
Have you always been that way?
Pretty much, I don’t have a problem with it but my wife reckons its weird.
I think the trendy term is ‘on the spectrum’ …
Cymek said:
Pretty much, I don’t have a problem with it but my wife reckons its weird.
It is a bit strange but then there are also people at the opposite extreme who can’t stand being alone.
Have you ever been on a pud?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:Pretty much, I don’t have a problem with it but my wife reckons its weird.
It is a bit strange but then there are also people at the opposite extreme who can’t stand being alone.
Have you ever been on a pud?
A couple of times not recently though, I work with others no problem but actually have nothing in common with my work colleagues so don’t talk with them very much
Funnily enough, it’s not religious “people” who are normally allowed to discriminate, but religious institutions. Which is odd given that such discrimination is usually defended on the grounds of religious liberty, supposedly a human right – but human rights apply to humans, not institutions.
I’m with you on that one…
Bubblecar said:
Funnily enough, it’s not religious “people” who are normally allowed to discriminate, but religious institutions. Which is odd given that such discrimination is usually defended on the grounds of religious liberty, supposedly a human right – but human rights apply to humans, not institutions.
If you call them out on it you usually get referred to as the discriminator
Listen, and understand! That Discriminator is out there! It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
CrazyNeutrino said:
Why should religious people be allowed to discriminate?
I could tell you the tale of an unsuspecting early childhood educator who took a job in a community-based preschool that rented a hall from an Anglican church in Lawson, NSW. I could regale you with the intense insanity from a group within the parish council who discriminated against that woman. People who hunted down anything that might be used against her, anything that did not match their crazy ideas of religion, preschool education, a wider community beyond their insular group of whackos.
The tale ends with a QC researching the long and drawn out soap opera in an attempt to discern whether discrimination (within the narrow confines of the law) had occurred and the early childhood educator deciding to take back her life and avoid a court case.
But I won’t.
Anyway, it ends with me here in NM.
The End.
diddly-squat said:
CrazyNeutrino said:Why should religious people be allowed to discriminate?
what exactly do you mean?
Its not a new concept
Religious discrimination is unequal treatment of an individual or group based on their beliefs.
https://www.dosomething.org/facts/11-facts-about-religious-discrimination
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_discrimination
https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/hreoca-religious-freedom
In seems in Australia religious groups can discriminate against individuals but not the other way around
does that sound right
people discriminate all the fucken time, it’s what minds do
there’s alright discrimation, and there’s damaging discrimination
religion’s full of social constructionist bullshit, historical determinism, and linguistic determinism (like overly literal interpretations of scripture), but none of these are unique to religion, they feature in ideology more broadly.
transition said:
people discriminate all the fucken time, it’s what minds do
there’s alright discrimation, and there’s damaging discriminationreligion’s full of social constructionist bullshit, historical determinism, and linguistic determinism (like overly literal interpretations of scripture), but none of these are unique to religion, they feature in ideology more broadly.
It does seem though that you arent allowed to call out religion for being racist, sexist, homophobic, etc as you are the intolerant one not them.
>It does seem though that you arent allowed to call out religion for being racist, sexist, homophobic, etc as you are the intolerant one not them.
People can call it anything they like, until recently the church was considered part of the ideological state apparatus.
When did the DSM stop indicating homosexuality as a mental illness, three decades maybe?
From another point of view you also get labelled as a discriminator if you dislike someone from a minority group or religion because they are a nasty person and the aforementioned is irrelevant
CrazyNeutrino said:
diddly-squat said:
CrazyNeutrino said:Why should religious people be allowed to discriminate?
what exactly do you mean?
Its not a new concept
Religious discrimination is unequal treatment of an individual or group based on their beliefs.
https://www.dosomething.org/facts/11-facts-about-religious-discrimination
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_discrimination
https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/hreoca-religious-freedom
In seems in Australia religious groups can discriminate against individuals but not the other way around
does that sound right
sorry, I’ll try to be a little clearer… what I meant is, do you have a specific example in mind?
Cymek said:
From another point of view you also get labelled as a discriminator if you dislike someone from a minority group or religion because they are a nasty person and the aforementioned is irrelevant
that all depends on how you frame the statement…
that is, whenever you use a minority or religious status to identify a person as part of a collective, as opposed to an individual, it’s an example of discrimination.
diddly-squat said:
Cymek said:
From another point of view you also get labelled as a discriminator if you dislike someone from a minority group or religion because they are a nasty person and the aforementioned is irrelevant
that all depends on how you frame the statement…
that is, whenever you use a minority or religious status to identify a person as part of a collective, as opposed to an individual, it’s an example of discrimination.
You are a religious idiot.
You are a bunch of religious idiots.
CrazyNeutrino said:
Why should religious people be allowed to discriminate?