These US shootings seem to involve people who are in some way either highly emotionally charged or showing indifference

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apathy

It appears to me that these people cannot control their own emotions

emotions such as

Anger
Angst
Anxiety
Contempt
Depression
Distrust
Fear
Hatred
Panic
Outrage
Rage
Suffering

Do we teach people enough about emotional awareness and control?

Is the breakdown of emotional control, part of these US shootings?

They call ‘em fingers, but I never see them fing…

CrazyNeutrino said:

Is the breakdown of emotional control, part of these US shootings?

Yes.

CrazyNeutrino said:

These US shootings seem to involve people who are in some way either highly emotionally charged or showing indifference

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apathy

It appears to me that these people cannot control their own emotions

emotions such as

Anger
Angst
Anxiety
Contempt
Depression
Distrust
Fear
Hatred
Panic
Outrage
Rage
Suffering

Do we teach people enough about emotional awareness and control?

Is the breakdown of emotional control, part of these US shootings?

ref?

party_pants said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Is the breakdown of emotional control, part of these US shootings?

Yes.

On the other hand, breakdown of emotional control occurs regularly all over the world.

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

These US shootings seem to involve people who are in some way either highly emotionally charged or showing indifference

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apathy

It appears to me that these people cannot control their own emotions

emotions such as

Anger
Angst
Anxiety
Contempt
Depression
Distrust
Fear
Hatred
Panic
Outrage
Rage
Suffering

Do we teach people enough about emotional awareness and control?

Is the breakdown of emotional control, part of these US shootings?

ref?

We normally call for an umpire in Oz, except for those rugby idiots.

SINCE 2013 there have been 864 mass shootings in the US, where four or more people have been shot in the one event.

That means in the 139 weeks since the start of 2013, there has been an average of 6.2 mass shootings per week. Almost one a day.

Those shootings have left 1125 people dead and 3097 wounded. And, if we don’t restrict those numbers to just mass shootings, there have been a total of 32,000 firearm deaths in just two and a half years.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/the-scary-facts-about-gun-control-in-america/news-story/66243bad4ff033116485ce4680e3cdaa

dv said:

party_pants said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Is the breakdown of emotional control, part of these US shootings?

Yes.

On the other hand, breakdown of emotional control occurs regularly all over the world.

Yes. I have experienced it myself, but the nearest thing I had to hand at the time was a stick.

party_pants said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

Yes.

On the other hand, breakdown of emotional control occurs regularly all over the world.

Yes. I have experienced it myself, but the nearest thing I had to hand at the time was a stick.

Mind, you could have taken someone’s eye out with it.

party_pants said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

Yes.

On the other hand, breakdown of emotional control occurs regularly all over the world.

Yes. I have experienced it myself, but the nearest thing I had to hand at the time was a stick.

Jeez , if I had a gun, there’d be drivers slumped over the wheel all over Brisbane :)

CrazyNeutrino said:

SINCE 2013 there have been 864 mass shootings in the US, where four or more people have been shot in the one event.

That means in the 139 weeks since the start of 2013, there has been an average of 6.2 mass shootings per week. Almost one a day.

This would suggest it is being under-reported in the media.

pommiejohn said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

On the other hand, breakdown of emotional control occurs regularly all over the world.

Yes. I have experienced it myself, but the nearest thing I had to hand at the time was a stick.

Jeez , if I had a gun, there’d be drivers slumped over the wheel all over Brisbane :)

that would take road rage to another level

or you could drive around in one of these to let your anger out

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-03/take-a-look-inside-a-car-bomb-made-by-islamic-state-militants/6997112

• This would suggest it is being under-reported in the media.

That happens when things become “normal”…

party_pants said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

SINCE 2013 there have been 864 mass shootings in the US, where four or more people have been shot in the one event.

That means in the 139 weeks since the start of 2013, there has been an average of 6.2 mass shootings per week. Almost one a day.

This would suggest it is being under-reported in the media.

becoming to common place

furious said:

• This would suggest it is being under-reported in the media.

That happens when things become “normal”…

Obamas speeches are already written with gaps to insert names and places.

AwesomeO said:

furious said:

• This would suggest it is being under-reported in the media.

That happens when things become “normal”…

Obamas speeches are already written with gaps to insert names and places.

I mentioned earlier that his initial ‘statement’ was the same as the last few shootings

• Obamas speeches are already written with gaps to insert names and places.

The latest one did sound awful familiar…

Arts said:

AwesomeO said:

furious said:

• This would suggest it is being under-reported in the media.

That happens when things become “normal”…

Obamas speeches are already written with gaps to insert names and places.

I mentioned earlier that his initial ‘statement’ was the same as the last few shootings

Not much he can say I suppose. The block of people who want to own guns are organised, they vote, and they have the constitution and the Supreme Court behind them.

it’s starting to sound like lip service… always saying how they have to get it under control… maybe he should say, “Look, I’d love to introduce some real gun control to stop all these shootings, but the GOP and RA won’t allow it, so, I guess people will still kill y’all”

+N

Bloody RAN

Meanwhile, Australia enjoys another peaceful day under oppressive gun control regime.

Arts said:

it’s starting to sound like lip service… always saying how they have to get it under control… maybe he should say, “Look, I’d love to introduce some real gun control to stop all these shootings, but the GOP and RA won’t allow it, so, I guess people will still kill y’all”

That’s how it sounds to me too.

btm said:

Meanwhile, Australia enjoys another peaceful day under oppressive gun control regime.

Let the shooters free

must be so many oppressed people just waiting for some gun ownership

btm said:

Meanwhile, Australia enjoys another peaceful day under oppressive gun control regime.

Western Sydney seems to kick on a bit.

I wonder how many US politicians get paid by the gun lobby?

CrazyNeutrino said:

I wonder how many US politicians get paid by the gun lobby?

at a guess, zero.

Plenty of US politicians pay their membership fees to the gun lobbys though…

http://www.nj.com/times-opinion/index.ssf/2013/04/editorial_the_list_of_46_senat.html

btm said:

Meanwhile, Australia enjoys another peaceful day under oppressive gun control regime.

Well put.

maybe, what they should do, is allow all the people to have their guns, but enforce strict laws on obtaining ammo…

Michael V said:

btm said:

Meanwhile, Australia enjoys another peaceful day under oppressive gun control regime.

Well put.

Yep…gonna steal that.

Arts said:

maybe, what they should do, is allow all the people to have their guns, but enforce strict laws on obtaining ammo…

Or, you know, grow the fuck up and learn to stop wanting to play cowboys and indians.

• maybe, what they should do, is allow all the people to have their guns, but enforce strict laws on obtaining ammo…

Saw a comedian, Chris Rock I think, do a bit about making bullets cost a lot then people would think twice about wasting them over petty nonsense…

furious said:

• maybe, what they should do, is allow all the people to have their guns, but enforce strict laws on obtaining ammo…

Saw a comedian, Chris Rock I think, do a bit about making bullets cost a lot then people would think twice about wasting them over petty nonsense…

and no innocent bystanders because you’d make damn sure you hit your target…

Arts said:

maybe, what they should do, is allow all the people to have their guns, but enforce strict laws on obtaining ammo…

Make a law requiring each individual bullet to carry a serial number, enforce the paperwork during purchase.

The nutters did a big stockpiling of ammo when Obama won the first time. They’ve probably been hard at it since then.. Filling their bunkers with shiny bullets and waiting for the day they can defend their right to bear arms…‘cause Obama is coming to take their guns away from them!!!

Fuckingidiots.

kii said:

Michael V said:

btm said:

Meanwhile, Australia enjoys another peaceful day under oppressive gun control regime.

Well put.

Yep…gonna steal that.

It is a good one

kii said:

The nutters did a big stockpiling of ammo when Obama won the first time. They’ve probably been hard at it since then.. Filling their bunkers with shiny bullets and waiting for the day they can defend their right to bear arms…‘cause Obama is coming to take their guns away from them!!!

Are they likewise afraid of Hillary Clinton?

party_pants said:

kii said:

The nutters did a big stockpiling of ammo when Obama won the first time. They’ve probably been hard at it since then.. Filling their bunkers with shiny bullets and waiting for the day they can defend their right to bear arms…‘cause Obama is coming to take their guns away from them!!!

Are they likewise afraid of Hillary Clinton?

I’m not sure why they would be when Trump has it in the bag.

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

kii said:

The nutters did a big stockpiling of ammo when Obama won the first time. They’ve probably been hard at it since then.. Filling their bunkers with shiny bullets and waiting for the day they can defend their right to bear arms…‘cause Obama is coming to take their guns away from them!!!

Are they likewise afraid of Hillary Clinton?

I’m not sure why they would be when Trump has it in the bag.

I think I heard kii’s head explode from here

party_pants said:

kii said:

The nutters did a big stockpiling of ammo when Obama won the first time. They’ve probably been hard at it since then.. Filling their bunkers with shiny bullets and waiting for the day they can defend their right to bear arms…‘cause Obama is coming to take their guns away from them!!!

Are they likewise afraid of Hillary Clinton?

More so. She a ‘women’, don’t ya know!?

Arts said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

Are they likewise afraid of Hillary Clinton?

I’m not sure why they would be when Trump has it in the bag.

I think I heard kii’s head explode from here

I was talking to mr kii about Jones, so I didn’t hear what shbeen said. It’s a year since he graduated to the adoption centre.

kii said:

party_pants said:

kii said:

The nutters did a big stockpiling of ammo when Obama won the first time. They’ve probably been hard at it since then.. Filling their bunkers with shiny bullets and waiting for the day they can defend their right to bear arms…‘cause Obama is coming to take their guns away from them!!!

Are they likewise afraid of Hillary Clinton?

More so. She a ‘women’, don’t ya know!?

Rumours have reached these parts, but I won’t believe a word of it until I see some evidence.

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

kii said:

The nutters did a big stockpiling of ammo when Obama won the first time. They’ve probably been hard at it since then.. Filling their bunkers with shiny bullets and waiting for the day they can defend their right to bear arms…‘cause Obama is coming to take their guns away from them!!!

Are they likewise afraid of Hillary Clinton?

I’m not sure why they would be when Trump has it in the bag.

Trump wants more people to have guns

but his argument is deeply flawed

if everyone in a crowd was armed and a terrorist / gunman appeared and started shooting

would everyone in the crowd know where to shoot?

would they all know how to use a gun?

would they all know how to aim a gun properly and shoot a target?

would they end up shooting at other civilians by error?

heaps of other questions

Trump is not a thinker

if I lived in America I would be armed

there are too many weapons sloshing around now for anything to be done

someone brings an assault rifle to the work party and starts shooting? you nail them on the spot , most people would recognise a mad shooter when they start shooting

a small .22 pistol would be adequate

wookiemeister said:

if I lived in America I would be armed

there are too many weapons sloshing around now for anything to be done

someone brings an assault rifle to the work party and starts shooting? you nail them on the spot , most people would recognise a mad shooter when they start shooting

I wonder if Kevlar clothing will become a boom industry?

wookiemeister said:

a small .22 pistol would be adequate

against a machine gun?

are you a good aim?

wookiemeister said:

if I lived in America I would be armed

there are too many weapons sloshing around now for anything to be done

someone brings an assault rifle to the work party and starts shooting? you nail them on the spot , most people would recognise a mad shooter when they start shooting

Yeah, but then somebody who didn;t see the start of it will think you are the mad gunperson, so they will shoot you, then somebody else will shoot them, then another will panic and shoot them etc, you’ll just get a free-for-all of everybody shooting at everyone else in a massive panic.

CrazyNeutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

if I lived in America I would be armed

there are too many weapons sloshing around now for anything to be done

someone brings an assault rifle to the work party and starts shooting? you nail them on the spot , most people would recognise a mad shooter when they start shooting

I wonder if Kevlar clothing will become a boom industry?

it would be easier to carry a small pistol than wear armour

you’d need to practice a little to make sure you can use it and aim precisely

I’ve never liked the big handguns, just lots of boom and too noisy to use without ear plugs

wookiemeister said:

if I lived in America I would be armed

there are too many weapons sloshing around now for anything to be done

someone brings an assault rifle to the work party and starts shooting? you nail them on the spot , most people would recognise a mad shooter when they start shooting

except the element of surprise is big with these shootings… and if there are ten people shooting, how do you kow who is the original shooter… it’s a ridiculous plan bordering on stupid

CrazyNeutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

a small .22 pistol would be adequate

against a machine gun?

are you a good aim?

with some practice you can be quite accurate with a hand gun up to say 25m , mad shooters hate anyone with the means to defend themselves and I reckon would withdraw because a shoot out with you means a lower body count

CrazyNeutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

if I lived in America I would be armed

there are too many weapons sloshing around now for anything to be done

someone brings an assault rifle to the work party and starts shooting? you nail them on the spot , most people would recognise a mad shooter when they start shooting

I wonder if Kevlar clothing will become a boom industry?

I’m almost certain you can buy school bags with ‘bullet plates’ in them

if the mad shooter was using armour piercing rounds I’m not sure how useful flak jackets would be

Arts said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

if I lived in America I would be armed

there are too many weapons sloshing around now for anything to be done

someone brings an assault rifle to the work party and starts shooting? you nail them on the spot , most people would recognise a mad shooter when they start shooting

I wonder if Kevlar clothing will become a boom industry?

I’m almost certain you can buy school bags with ‘bullet plates’ in them

Yep…there was a lot of publicity about them after the Sandy Hook massacre :(

Arts said:

wookiemeister said:

if I lived in America I would be armed

there are too many weapons sloshing around now for anything to be done

someone brings an assault rifle to the work party and starts shooting? you nail them on the spot , most people would recognise a mad shooter when they start shooting

except the element of surprise is big with these shootings… and if there are ten people shooting, how do you kow who is the original shooter… it’s a ridiculous plan bordering on stupid

What Arts said…

I think everyone should carry a cricket ball and practice daily at throwing down a set of stumps at 25m.

kii said:

Arts said:

wookiemeister said:

if I lived in America I would be armed

there are too many weapons sloshing around now for anything to be done

someone brings an assault rifle to the work party and starts shooting? you nail them on the spot , most people would recognise a mad shooter when they start shooting

except the element of surprise is big with these shootings… and if there are ten people shooting, how do you kow who is the original shooter… it’s a ridiculous plan bordering on stupid

What Arts said…

a mad shooter keeps shooting , they are after body count

that’s how you recognise them

obviously

party_pants said:

I think everyone should carry a cricket ball and practice daily at throwing down a set of stumps at 25m.

if you are unarmed you should have a go at throwing something at them, a can or anything small and heavy, with any luck you’ll stall their advance

Just in case you wanted to think things through, wookie…
https://dohmocile.wordpress.com/2015/12/02/is-it-enough-now/

Why should any child (or adult) have to learn how to hide from an active shooter?

Look at this face.

wookiemeister said:

kii said:

Arts said:

except the element of surprise is big with these shootings… and if there are ten people shooting, how do you kow who is the original shooter… it’s a ridiculous plan bordering on stupid

What Arts said…

a mad shooter keeps shooting , they are after body count

that’s how you recognise them

obviously

ok.. so an armed civilian shoots a rogue shooter.. and kills them.. then what? do we hail them as a hero? or do we slap a manslaughter charge on them? if we hail them as a hero, we are condoning killing now?

wookiemeister said:

party_pants said:

I think everyone should carry a cricket ball and practice daily at throwing down a set of stumps at 25m.

if you are unarmed you should have a go at throwing something at them, a can or anything small and heavy, with any luck you’ll stall their advance

There’s a reason why mass shootings never take place in the baked bean aisle at the supermarket.

A crowd in panic tends to push on itself

people get trampled to death

Arts said:

wookiemeister said:

kii said:

What Arts said…

a mad shooter keeps shooting , they are after body count

that’s how you recognise them

obviously

ok.. so an armed civilian shoots a rogue shooter.. and kills them.. then what? do we hail them as a hero? or do we slap a manslaughter charge on them? if we hail them as a hero, we are condoning killing now?

no you walk away from nailing the shooter so you don’t get sued

CrazyNeutrino said:

A crowd in panic tends to push on itself

people get trampled to death

Still, saves them from getting shot.

party_pants said:

wookiemeister said:

party_pants said:

I think everyone should carry a cricket ball and practice daily at throwing down a set of stumps at 25m.

if you are unarmed you should have a go at throwing something at them, a can or anything small and heavy, with any luck you’ll stall their advance

There’s a reason why mass shootings never take place in the baked bean aisle at the supermarket.

have there ever been mass shootings in Texas ?

party_pants said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

A crowd in panic tends to push on itself

people get trampled to death

Still, saves them from getting shot.

True

CrazyNeutrino said:

A crowd in panic tends to push on itself

people get trampled to death

so they will die any way

did anyone die from being trampled to death in Paris?

wookiemeister said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

A crowd in panic tends to push on itself

people get trampled to death

so they will die any way

did anyone die from being trampled to death in Paris?

yes

wookiemeister said:

party_pants said:

wookiemeister said:

if you are unarmed you should have a go at throwing something at them, a can or anything small and heavy, with any luck you’ll stall their advance

There’s a reason why mass shootings never take place in the baked bean aisle at the supermarket.

have there ever been mass shootings in Texas ?

Yes

http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015

I hate the fact that I have to be aware of this when I go to work (or shopping or anywhere else). We are told to have a plan of exit or where to hide if there’s shooting in the mall or the bookstore. Before it became ‘a thing’ I already had plans for my own exits….because it wasn’t talked about by previous management.

The one place that I fear being caught in the most is the music department. It has one entrance/exit. Low walls to divide it off from the rest of the store. My plan is to sneak over to the far corner of the dept. and climb over the wall to gain access to the emergency exit in the dock area. Not a perfect plan, but better than hiding under one of the open shelving units…as one retired naval person said he’d do.

Arts said:

wookiemeister said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

A crowd in panic tends to push on itself

people get trampled to death

so they will die any way

did anyone die from being trampled to death in Paris?

yes

“Following the siege, authorities learned that at least 87 people had been killed inside Le Bataclan, including some who were apparently trampled to death in the chaos.”
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/11/many-dead-after-explosion-shootings-in-paris.html

CrazyNeutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

party_pants said:

There’s a reason why mass shootings never take place in the baked bean aisle at the supermarket.

have there ever been mass shootings in Texas ?

Yes

http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015

http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2012/12/the-list-the-deadliest-mass-shootings-in-texas-history/

the most dangerous part of weapon ownership is taking them home, children have a way of getting their hands on them

my grandfather had an air rifle he kept in the bedroom, when it found out it existed I scoured the house looking for it , I must have been around 7. of course I had the brains not to touch the trigger/ operational parts of the weapon. people have the tendency to leave personal defence weapons laying around LOADED at home

Arts said:

wookiemeister said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

A crowd in panic tends to push on itself

people get trampled to death

so they will die any way

did anyone die from being trampled to death in Paris?

yes

how many ?

kii said:

I hate the fact that I have to be aware of this when I go to work (or shopping or anywhere else). We are told to have a plan of exit or where to hide if there’s shooting in the mall or the bookstore. Before it became ‘a thing’ I already had plans for my own exits….because it wasn’t talked about by previous management.

The one place that I fear being caught in the most is the music department. It has one entrance/exit. Low walls to divide it off from the rest of the store. My plan is to sneak over to the far corner of the dept. and climb over the wall to gain access to the emergency exit in the dock area. Not a perfect plan, but better than hiding under one of the open shelving units…as one retired naval person said he’d do.

buy a hand gun

CrazyNeutrino said:

A crowd in panic tends to push on itself

people get trampled to death

Hahahahaha….another issue at work. Emergency exits are often partially blocked with stuff. As are fire extinguishers. In the last 4 days I have had to move a box of books away from the only fire extinguisher in the staff breakroom. Twice. The alarm in the receiving dock was blocked by a stack of boxes for half a day…“it’s okay, we know where it is and the boxes will be moved soon.”

On the bookfloor I noticed an extinguisher partially blocked by a tall pile of Harper Lee’s 2nd novel and a cardboard ‘dump’ full of some paperback. This happens all the time.

if you take a handgun back home you should either have it on you or in a safe

wookiemeister said:

kii said:

I hate the fact that I have to be aware of this when I go to work (or shopping or anywhere else). We are told to have a plan of exit or where to hide if there’s shooting in the mall or the bookstore. Before it became ‘a thing’ I already had plans for my own exits….because it wasn’t talked about by previous management.

The one place that I fear being caught in the most is the music department. It has one entrance/exit. Low walls to divide it off from the rest of the store. My plan is to sneak over to the far corner of the dept. and climb over the wall to gain access to the emergency exit in the dock area. Not a perfect plan, but better than hiding under one of the open shelving units…as one retired naval person said he’d do.

buy a hand gun

Fuck off.

wookiemeister said:

Arts said:

wookiemeister said:

so they will die any way

did anyone die from being trampled to death in Paris?

yes

how many ?

87

Arts posted an article

kii said:

wookiemeister said:

kii said:

I hate the fact that I have to be aware of this when I go to work (or shopping or anywhere else). We are told to have a plan of exit or where to hide if there’s shooting in the mall or the bookstore. Before it became ‘a thing’ I already had plans for my own exits….because it wasn’t talked about by previous management.

The one place that I fear being caught in the most is the music department. It has one entrance/exit. Low walls to divide it off from the rest of the store. My plan is to sneak over to the far corner of the dept. and climb over the wall to gain access to the emergency exit in the dock area. Not a perfect plan, but better than hiding under one of the open shelving units…as one retired naval person said he’d do.

buy a hand gun

Fuck off.

it’s a free country kii

consider the flood of weapons knocking around its just a matter of time

wookiemeister said:

Arts said:

wookiemeister said:

so they will die any way

did anyone die from being trampled to death in Paris?

yes

how many ?

I don’t know. They may not have ‘died’ anyway, had they not lost footing it is highly likely they would have escaped in front of the people behind them.

bullets killed most people

I’m sorry your arguments don’t stack up

it’s too late for America , there are too many weapons knocking around in America

Arts said:

wookiemeister said:

Arts said:

yes

how many ?

I don’t know. They may not have ‘died’ anyway, had they not lost footing it is highly likely they would have escaped in front of the people behind them.

ah

so not 87 then

I’m sorry but bullets killed most of those people , the stampede could have been caused by anything else as well when panic in those situations

I stay away from those situations anyway

CrazyNeutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

Arts said:

yes

how many ?

87

Arts posted an article

I think that was the numbers they had at the time, but people certainly did get trampled to death. Some just got trampled but lived with injuries. There were numerous accounts of people who were trapped (through trampling injury) and “hid” under bodies so they would not be targeted again. Played dead, so to speak.

wookiemeister said:

kii said:

wookiemeister said:

buy a hand gun

Fuck off.

it’s a free country kii

consider the flood of weapons knocking around its just a matter of time

That’s a lie…this is not a free country. The whole place is held hostage by the insanity of the gun laws.
mr kii has guns – family heirlooms and some others. I could ask him to train me blah blah blah on how to use a hand gun, but why the hell should I? I’d rather use our $$ and time to do something nice….like watch the beauty of the world as the seasons change or draw nice pictures or read a book. My time is valuable and why should I learn something that I have never wanted to learn, because a bunch of retarded fuckwits want to hold the rest of the country hostage?

kii said:

wookiemeister said:

kii said:

Fuck off.

it’s a free country kii

consider the flood of weapons knocking around its just a matter of time

That’s a lie…this is not a free country. The whole place is held hostage by the insanity of the gun laws.
mr kii has guns – family heirlooms and some others. I could ask him to train me blah blah blah on how to use a hand gun, but why the hell should I? I’d rather use our $$ and time to do something nice….like watch the beauty of the world as the seasons change or draw nice pictures or read a book. My time is valuable and why should I learn something that I have never wanted to learn, because a bunch of retarded fuckwits want to hold the rest of the country hostage?

that is American society

more information

http://www.thetrace.org/

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

the most dangerous part of gun ownership is probably taking them home

wookiemeister said:

Arts said:

wookiemeister said:

how many ?

I don’t know. They may not have ‘died’ anyway, had they not lost footing it is highly likely they would have escaped in front of the people behind them.

ah

so not 87 then

I’m sorry but bullets killed most of those people , the stampede could have been caused by anything else as well when panic in those situations

I stay away from those situations anyway

so.. you are armed and a crack shot.. the element of surprise and the shooter comes in a cracks off five shots before anyone even realises what’s going on.. one of them is your wife/daughter/loved one.. the first thing you do is pull out your weapon and shoot? most people would assist their loved one..

some more articles

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/opinion/on-guns-were-not-even-trying.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/03/3708876/australians-are-disgusted-at-the-american-response-to-the-oregon-gun-massacre/

I wonder how emotionally intelligent these shooters are?

I know other things come into play besides emotions

there’s thoughts, intent, a plan, pictures, personalization, environment, other people, life experience

personalization in the sense of direction violence towards a known individual

somehow, ethics, empathy, respect for common law go out the window

wookiemeister said:

party_pants said:

There’s a reason why mass shootings never take place in the baked bean aisle at the supermarket.

have there ever been mass shootings in Texas ?

rofl

dv said:

that graph is poor. It has no year axis or population comparison for perspective

The_observer said:

that graph is poor. It has no year axis or population comparison for perspective

By listing gun deaths per capita, population growth is taken into consideration.

In actual fact population growth doesn’t matter as the graph isn’t a time-series. It is just a comparison of deaths vs gun-ownership across the 50 US states.

Good Morning

Finally, it’s a lovely 14 degrees and heading for 26 in the North West of the Apple Isle.

Pleased it is Friday and looking forward to wandering down the street tonight to see the Christmas parade. I’m listening to an audio book to and from work and the book I’m listening to now is the Jim Henson story. I’m loving it.

Have a great day everyone :D

Damn it…I thought SL posted a relevant comment in this thread.

…grumbles…

Become Simple Minded About Gun Control

from the link

This country is filled with insanely complicated issues: taxes, healthcare, defense, trade, climate change, etc. All of them deserve lots and lots of discussion and data because there is no “right” answer on how best to move forward.

A couple issues, however, don’t deserve such treatment. To me, that list consists of gay rights and creationism’s place in our education system. These are not complicated debates. There is nothing to “hear out” or “considerations to make”. Anyone who believes gays don’t deserve the same rights as other humans or believes that a supernatural being created the world 6,000 years ago is just wrong. Like, it really is that simple. They are wrong.

more…

It seems ISIS or Al Qaeda or other groups don’t have to do much to cause trouble for the US. They’re doing a good enough job of shooting each other.

San Bernardino shooting: New York Times publishes front page editorial on gun violence, first in 95 years

The New York Times has published a front page editorial for the first time since 1920, calling for an end to the gun violence that continues to plague the United States.

The editorial said laws that allowed the legal purchase of high-powered assault weapons in the country were a “moral outrage and a national disgrace”.

“America’s elected leaders offer prayers for gun victims and then, callously and without fear of consequence, reject the most basic restrictions on weapons of mass killing,” the editorial said.

Key points

New York Times publishes front page editorial calling for end to gun violence First time the paper has published an editorial on the front page since 1920 More than 300 mass shootings in America in 2015, tracking website says More than 12,000 deaths due to gun violence

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CrazyNeutrino said:

San Bernardino shooting: New York Times publishes front page editorial on gun violence, first in 95 years

The New York Times has published a front page editorial for the first time since 1920, calling for an end to the gun violence that continues to plague the United States.

The editorial said laws that allowed the legal purchase of high-powered assault weapons in the country were a “moral outrage and a national disgrace”.

“America’s elected leaders offer prayers for gun victims and then, callously and without fear of consequence, reject the most basic restrictions on weapons of mass killing,” the editorial said.

Key points

New York Times publishes front page editorial calling for end to gun violence First time the paper has published an editorial on the front page since 1920 More than 300 mass shootings in America in 2015, tracking website says More than 12,000 deaths due to gun violence

more…

Finally they are starting to wake up

they have a mountain to climb though

CrazyNeutrino said:

Finally they are starting to wake up

they have a mountain to climb though

It has taken them a long time. Hard to say if anything will become of it though.

Strange people and strange place. A woman at work said in a very hushed voice: “I don’t believe in the 2nd amendment.” She looked quite nervous say that out loud :/

• Strange people and strange place. A woman at work said in a very hushed voice: “I don’t believe in the 2nd amendment.” She looked quite nervous say that out loud :/

Its like apostasy…

Stupid question – can the 2nd Amendment to repealed or further amended itself?

furious said:

• Strange people and strange place. A woman at work said in a very hushed voice: “I don’t believe in the 2nd amendment.” She looked quite nervous say that out loud :/

Its like apostasy…

Yes.

Despite the mind-games she plays and all the other crap she likes to indulge in, she’s a smart woman. Catholic, but smart.

party_pants said:

Stupid question – can the 2nd Amendment to repealed or further amended itself?

Not a stupid question at all. If it came to that I reckon there’d be a civil war.

something I have been hearing lately, “God given right” God gave humans the right to life and said ‘don’t eat the apple’ there were no guns in the garden

It’s a basic human right – to feel safe.

I don’t.

Yesterday some people asked me how I like living here…I said that I don’t, because of the gun situation. They looked shocked. Meh, they probably went home and cooed to their armoury…it’s okay, we still love you :/

Arts said:

something I have been hearing lately, “God given right” God gave humans the right to life and said ‘don’t eat the apple’ there were no guns in the garden

Yeah, I was thinking about that while doing the grocery shopping today (one has to occupy one’s mind somehow), what passage of the bible are they relying upon which gives them such a right? even obliquely. I can’t think of any.

Perhaps needs a few fundy preachers to come out and say that matters of government, the law and the constitution are worldly matters, and rebuke those trying to claim some religious backing to it.

It is pretty amazing. I like the US people so much but many of them are obsessed with their gun ownership.

“You can take my gun away when you pry it out of my cold, dead hand…” is pretty much a credo with many of them.

The funny thing is when you talk about them being able to have a gun on a farm but have most people keep their weapons on a range, etc.

They don’t really want guns to protect themselves against burglars, etc.

They want guns to protect themselves against the government they elected.

Obviousman said:

It is pretty amazing. I like the US people so much but many of them are obsessed with their gun ownership.

“You can take my gun away when you pry it out of my cold, dead hand…” is pretty much a credo with many of them.

The funny thing is when you talk about them being able to have a gun on a farm but have most people keep their weapons on a range, etc.

They don’t really want guns to protect themselves against burglars, etc.

They want guns to protect themselves against the government they elected.

… and it’s only the elected government that can take their guns away.

>On the other hand…”

mostly individuals keep their shit in their cranium no harm done
sometime shit leaks out
mostly it’s not so bad that the situations become unrecoverable
the cranium is adequate
would ‘em sane go invitin’ trouble into their head into their home
or that of ‘nother, I doubt

Nevada Republican, Michele Fiore, sends family Christmas card featuring guns

What is their Christmas message? Wear Guns?

What has Christmas got to do with guns? We’re protecting the kids presents?

What would Psychologists make of that photo? They might buy their kids guns for xmas?

CrazyNeutrino said:

Nevada Republican, Michele Fiore, sends family Christmas card featuring guns

What is their Christmas message? Wear Guns?

What has Christmas got to do with guns? We’re protecting the kids presents?

What would Psychologists make of that photo? They might buy their kids guns for xmas?

“We’re just your ordinary American family”.

A Beretta 92FS, Glock 30 .45ACP, Serbu Super Shorty 12-gauge shotgun, Extar EXP-556, Walther p22, Glock 19 9 millimetre, and a Glock 30 .45ACP.

normal family

Posted by D.A in the Chat thread

http://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/six-things-americans-should-know-about-mass-shootings

The American Government is not doing anything about America Killing itself.

Americans have been following these 2nd amendment gun possession for over 400 years

So its spanned 4 generations or so

would is this kind of behavior have genetic links

it looks to me like its become genetic

just saying