One way to religious reform is for all religions to incorporate the UN charter of human rights into their teaching and scriptures

simple and to the point

Stop abusing human rights

religion’s not the cause of every example of nutjobbery

transition said:

religion’s not the cause of every example of nutjobbery

Yes, there’s politicians who are religious nutcases, almost in every government around the world

and most of them are quite happy to bush human right under the carpet

CrazyNeutrino said:

transition said:

religion’s not the cause of every example of nutjobbery

Yes, there’s politicians who are religious nutcases, almost in every government around the world

and most of them are quite happy to bush human right under the carpet

Religions are mental diseases, and a lot of them are fatal diseases.

transition said:

religion’s not the cause of every example of nutjobbery

True, but on the other hand if the World leaders of the main religions agreed, for instance, that everyone should have the right to change religions, or to become atheist or agnostic, then that would be a huge increase in personal freedom that could be achieved very quickly.

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

religion’s not the cause of every example of nutjobbery

True, but on the other hand if the World leaders of the main religions agreed, for instance, that everyone should have the right to change religions, or to become atheist or agnostic, then that would be a huge increase in personal freedom that could be achieved very quickly.

not much into worldliness here, a parochial beast I am, born of a pond way back in time, i’m slime you hear, not one big idea.

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

religion’s not the cause of every example of nutjobbery

True, but on the other hand if the World leaders of the main religions agreed, for instance, that everyone should have the right to change religions, or to become atheist or agnostic, then that would be a huge increase in personal freedom that could be achieved very quickly.

Exactly

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

religion’s not the cause of every example of nutjobbery

True, but on the other hand if the World leaders of the main religions agreed, for instance, that everyone should have the right to change religions, or to become atheist or agnostic, then that would be a huge increase in personal freedom that could be achieved very quickly.

not much into worldliness here, a parochial beast I am, born of a pond way back in time, i’m slime you hear, not one big idea.

OK, but you have the good fortune to be free to be slime in this country.

Not everyone can say that.

Religion as philosophy and metaphysics sort of appeals to me. At some time it (religion, though) sort of became an industry, tapped into the want for belonging, of a larger group with common ideas, and it ventured into the territory of social construction of reality.

It strikes me the God concept is a projection of consciousness, ones internal executive voice (probably finds its way in via sublimations, maybe paradoxically), though I wouldn’t like to be party to exaggerating its contribution to any real consciousness, that way.

I’m wondering what a real God might be, and should I help save him (well, man, or little ol’ me keeping with home) from dismissing the (possible) entity out of existence.

What would God be if not a variously delusional projection of consciousness.

Perhaps the entity is something modest, something so staggeringly modest it might be missed.

Religion as philosophy and metaphysics sort of appeals to me. At some time it (religion, though) sort of became an industry, tapped into the want for belonging, of a larger group with common ideas, and it ventured into the territory of social construction of reality.

Its this bit that would actually turn me off ever even thinking of joining a religion (besides the absurdity of it all) being part of some shared delusion has no appeal to me, and faith what a cop out for just making stories up and then claiming if you ask for proof its blasphemy. My computer game fantasy worlds are more tangible than any religion they at least have a substance to them.

If God or gods were to exist i expect they would be more mysterious than we could possibly imagine. The fact remains that the religious experience has a profound affect on a great swathe of humanity and I think decrying it as made up stories is a little simplistic.

>Its this bit that would actually turn me off ever even thinking of joining a religion (besides the absurdity of it all) being part of some shared delusion has no appeal to me, and faith what a cop out for just making stories up and then claiming if you ask for proof its blasphemy. My computer game fantasy worlds are more tangible than any religion they at least have a substance to them.

i’d think all’re party to some shared delusion, doubtful some stepping back to an absolutist view one is completely not yields much.

i’m not convinced the new world of 2D gadget imagery and indulgence is not religion, of sorts. It’s a nice initiation into living in a cubicle, being denied resources, a neat instead for a growing industry.

>If God or gods were to exist i expect they would be more mysterious than we could possibly imagine

you have no experience or reason to think or feel that.

transition said:

>If God or gods were to exist i expect they would be more mysterious than we could possibly imagine

you have no experience or reason to think or feel that.

What makes you say that?

I have certainly experienced things that could very easily be attributed to the real existence of the supernatural.

>I have certainly experienced things that could very easily be attributed to the real existence of the supernatural.

that’s a word substitution, you’ve made it supernatural

isn’t it sort of some hoodoo of ideology that tweaks conjurings of unknowns that must have God as mysterious?

contradiction’s my friend, but God talk seems some about kindredness.

transition said:

>I have certainly experienced things that could very easily be attributed to the real existence of the supernatural.

that’s a word substitution, you’ve made it supernatural

isn’t it sort of some hoodoo of ideology that tweaks conjurings of unknowns that must have God as mysterious?

contradiction’s my friend, but God talk seems some about kindredness.

What is God if not supernatural? As for the rest I really have no idea what you’re talking about. Try be more precise.

i’m not sure what you’d get if I precised

anyways, there’s no evidence anywhere God (whatever it might be) is likely to be or ought be mysterious.

Witty Rejoinder said:

As for the rest I really have no idea what you’re talking about. Try be more precise.

Witty, how long have you been on this forum?

this has all been done before

secular law trying to defeat religious law

To be honest it seems as though we have already discussed all of this in detail in other threads.

wookiemeister said:

this has all been done before

secular law trying to defeat religious law

With a huge measure of success in many countries.

CrazyNeutrino said:

One way to religious reform is for all religions to incorporate the UN charter of human rights into their teaching and scriptures

You don’t understand religion if you think this is possible.

As a young lad my family was a bit feral as far as civilizing religious influence went, dad made a few accommodating noises to fit in, like the community had quite a few churches. I may have attended church/sunday school five times. There was RE/RI at school, these went the better part of an entire afternoon as recall.

There was always a bit of contagion in the air from some neighbours. Like God only made one mistake, he gave man free will, and that was from the most progressive church. I may’ve been fourteen at most when that was told me. What an odd thing to remember through and so many decades later. Consciousness-raising I suppose it was, or meant to be, anyway I must’ve puzzled all this time and earned a place in heaven, should I concede and be saved.

Elsewhere, there was communists trying to take over the world, and they’d infiltrated the progressive church.

So I had God-loving lefties to the left, and God-loving anticommunists to the right.

Me, I was down the shed just happy reassembling engines, covered in oil and getting stoned on petrol fumes, which had Pb in it back then, which probably rendered ol’ less receptive to the bad seed thing.

> the UN charter of human rights

What exactly is this? Looking it up.

Article 3 is self-contradictory. It says:
“Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.”
The right to liberty means that we must free all prisoners, but they’re in prison because of their threat to security of person. So contradiction.

>The right to liberty means that we must free all prisoners

there maybe something in there too about the rule of law, wild guess on my part