And most are fatal to the diseased victim, and the people they interact with.

So you keep saying…

furious said:

So you keep saying…

So what’s the cure?

with votes being taken over months rather than a short period theres little excuse for anyone not to present themselves to the post office to vote and show ID

the post office has a system that shows who has voted

Does that include the Church of the FSM ?

With millions, if not thousands, of devout worshipers, the Church of the FSM is widely considered a legitimate religion, even by its opponents – mostly fundamentalist Christians, who have accepted that our God has larger balls than theirs.

bob(from black rock) said:

And most are fatal to the diseased victim, and the people they interact with.

Millions of people are religious

yes religious people could interact in better ways with non religious people, religious people having more tolerance for non religious people, religious people accepting human rights,

non religious people accepting freedom of others to be part of a religious group

and millions of people are non religious

yes religious extremists show specific behaviors

but so do non religious extremists

I see religion as a kind of meme, being passed down over generations

Religions need to reform to accept the UN charter of human rights

that would be a good start

furious said:

So you keep saying…

Apparently it’s rude to point this out.

from a biological point of view religion serves no purpose

there is no proof of any god, human beings are wasting time believing in something that does not exist, religion has no biological purpose

other than to distract humans to waste time, where otherwise if not religious people would be spending their time differently

it would be good to see religion disappear completely but that is unlikely

if we are to do something, religions must accept the UN charter of Human rights

we must create new laws banning nutcases from starting cults and

stopping people from creating fraudulent organizations like Scientology

religions accepting the UN charter of human rights and practicing those rights would relieve people of unnecessary social burdens that human rights abuse’s create

also religions have to face the ethical dilemma of reality, vs the human imagination and fiction. Accepting the universe what it is compared with believing in a God (Gods existence being a very very remote possibility)

also accepting the evolution of the universe over 14 billion years from the big bang to now vs the not logical religious evolution of 6000 years

Also accepting that preaching that something exists when there is no proof is fraudulent, and changing their preaching to there is a possibility would reflect some reality into a fictitious idea.

Surely there must be a final solution to the religious question?

CrazyNeutrino said:

from a biological point of view religion serves no purpose

there is no proof of any god, human beings are wasting time believing in something that does not exist, religion has no biological purpose

other than to distract humans to waste time, where otherwise if not religious people would be spending their time differently

it would be good to see religion disappear completely but that is unlikely

if we are to do something, religions must accept the UN charter of Human rights

we must create new laws banning nutcases from starting cults and

stopping people from creating fraudulent organizations like Scientology

religions accepting the UN charter of human rights and practicing those rights would relieve people of unnecessary social burdens that human rights abuse’s create

also religions have to face the ethical dilemma of reality, vs the human imagination and fiction. Accepting the universe what it is compared with believing in a God (Gods existence being a very very remote possibility)

also accepting the evolution of the universe over 14 billion years from the big bang to now vs the not logical religious evolution of 6000 years

Also accepting that preaching that something exists when there is no proof is fraudulent, and changing their preaching to there is a possibility would reflect some reality into a fictitious idea.

you keep throwing out the term “UN charter of human rights”

Can you give examples of which passages would be best abided by?

The idea of a God is hierarchical

a superior being possessing power of an inferior being

I think the God idea arose from a tribal idea, like racism, we are superior, they are inferior

also an early military idea of possessing magical powers to overwhelm the enemy,

war propaganda using God as a superior being, making the enemy look as having inferior warriors

all that kind of stuff

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

from a biological point of view religion serves no purpose

there is no proof of any god, human beings are wasting time believing in something that does not exist, religion has no biological purpose

other than to distract humans to waste time, where otherwise if not religious people would be spending their time differently

it would be good to see religion disappear completely but that is unlikely

if we are to do something, religions must accept the UN charter of Human rights

we must create new laws banning nutcases from starting cults and

stopping people from creating fraudulent organizations like Scientology

religions accepting the UN charter of human rights and practicing those rights would relieve people of unnecessary social burdens that human rights abuse’s create

also religions have to face the ethical dilemma of reality, vs the human imagination and fiction. Accepting the universe what it is compared with believing in a God (Gods existence being a very very remote possibility)

also accepting the evolution of the universe over 14 billion years from the big bang to now vs the not logical religious evolution of 6000 years

Also accepting that preaching that something exists when there is no proof is fraudulent, and changing their preaching to there is a possibility would reflect some reality into a fictitious idea.

you keep throwing out the term “UN charter of human rights”

Can you give examples of which passages would be best abided by?

All of them, not just being selective with this or that

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

from a biological point of view religion serves no purpose

there is no proof of any god, human beings are wasting time believing in something that does not exist, religion has no biological purpose

other than to distract humans to waste time, where otherwise if not religious people would be spending their time differently

it would be good to see religion disappear completely but that is unlikely

if we are to do something, religions must accept the UN charter of Human rights

we must create new laws banning nutcases from starting cults and

stopping people from creating fraudulent organizations like Scientology

religions accepting the UN charter of human rights and practicing those rights would relieve people of unnecessary social burdens that human rights abuse’s create

also religions have to face the ethical dilemma of reality, vs the human imagination and fiction. Accepting the universe what it is compared with believing in a God (Gods existence being a very very remote possibility)

also accepting the evolution of the universe over 14 billion years from the big bang to now vs the not logical religious evolution of 6000 years

Also accepting that preaching that something exists when there is no proof is fraudulent, and changing their preaching to there is a possibility would reflect some reality into a fictitious idea.

you keep throwing out the term “UN charter of human rights”

Can you give examples of which passages would be best abided by?

All of them, not just being selective with this or that

for example?

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

you keep throwing out the term “UN charter of human rights”

Can you give examples of which passages would be best abided by?

All of them, not just being selective with this or that

for example?

searching Google for UN charter of human rights

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Pages/Home.aspx

http://www.icnl.org/research/

http://www.icnl.org/research/library/files/Transnational/UNIVERSAL_DECLARATION_OF_HUMAN_RIGHTS.pdf

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Documents/UDHR_Translations/eng.pdf

If you don’t like anything in it complain to the human rights commission

CrazyNeutrino said:

The idea of a God is hierarchical

a superior being possessing power of an inferior being

I think the God idea arose from a tribal idea, like racism, we are superior, they are inferior

also an early military idea of possessing magical powers to overwhelm the enemy,

war propaganda using God as a superior being, making the enemy look as having inferior warriors

all that kind of stuff

It could also be said that it was hunter/gatherers trying to make sense of their environment. Once you had farming, with higher populations with more time on their hands, you start to get religious leaders.

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

All of them, not just being selective with this or that

for example?

searching Google for UN charter of human rights

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Pages/Home.aspx

http://www.icnl.org/research/

http://www.icnl.org/research/library/files/Transnational/UNIVERSAL_DECLARATION_OF_HUMAN_RIGHTS.pdf

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Documents/UDHR_Translations/eng.pdf

If you don’t like anything in it complain to the human rights commission

Is freedom of religion in there?

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

All of them, not just being selective with this or that

for example?

searching Google for UN charter of human rights

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Pages/Home.aspx

http://www.icnl.org/research/

http://www.icnl.org/research/library/files/Transnational/UNIVERSAL_DECLARATION_OF_HUMAN_RIGHTS.pdf

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Documents/UDHR_Translations/eng.pdf

If you don’t like anything in it complain to the human rights commission

there’s lots of that that religions already follow, what in particular are you saying they don’t that they should.

(p.s. the fact that yuo had to google it and only supplied links is a pretty good indicator you know SFA about what you are talking about…)

AwesomeO said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

for example?

searching Google for UN charter of human rights

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Pages/Home.aspx

http://www.icnl.org/research/

http://www.icnl.org/research/library/files/Transnational/UNIVERSAL_DECLARATION_OF_HUMAN_RIGHTS.pdf

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Documents/UDHR_Translations/eng.pdf

If you don’t like anything in it complain to the human rights commission

Is freedom of religion in there?

“FREEDOM OF RELIGION OR BELIEF … activities and other forms of propagating s religion has been at the centre of the mandate on freedom of religion since the beginning “

“appropriate leaders called for by the requirements and standards of any religion or belief … from interfering in the affairs of a religion,”

“said that they enjoyed freedom of religion and freedom to practise their religion, but also that their association was the … Special Rapporteur on freedom of religion or belief … “

check out chapter 12 and I3a through g

i might start a new thread every month about the old “if i was in my VW travelling at the speed of light and turned my headlights on….”. at least it would be science and not the same old religious crap.

sharpens pencil

totally agree, bob
but not all religiously-inclined are diseased

what now.

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

for example?

searching Google for UN charter of human rights

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Pages/Home.aspx

http://www.icnl.org/research/

http://www.icnl.org/research/library/files/Transnational/UNIVERSAL_DECLARATION_OF_HUMAN_RIGHTS.pdf

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Documents/UDHR_Translations/eng.pdf

If you don’t like anything in it complain to the human rights commission

there’s lots of that that religions already follow, what in particular are you saying they don’t that they should.

(p.s. the fact that yuo had to google it and only supplied links is a pretty good indicator you know SFA about what you are talking about…)

/Data mode

/Data Voice

“All the articles are important, attempting to exclude this or this law is meaningless and unnecessary, here is a copy of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights “.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Documents/UDHR_Translations/eng.pdf

“Let Me Recite Them All To You”

“Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Preamble

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world, Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people, Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law, Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations, Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom, Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in cooperation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms, Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge, Now, therefore, The General Assembly, Proclaims this Universal Declaration of Human Rights as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.

Article I
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Article 2
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

Article 3
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Article 4
No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

Article 5
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Article 6
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

Article 7
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law.

All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

Article 8
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

Article 9
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

Article 10
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

Article 11
1. Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence. 2. No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.

Article 12
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Article 13
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each State.

2. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Article 14
1. Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
2. This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 15
1. Everyone has the right to a nationality.
2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to
change his nationality.

Article 16
1. Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
2. Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
3. The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

Article 17
1. Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

Article 18
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 19
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Article 20
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
2. No one may be compelled to belong to an association.

Article 21
1. Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
2. Everyone has the right to equal access to public service in his country.
3. The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.

Article 22
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

Article 23
1. Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
2. Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
3. Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration
ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
4. Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

Article 24
Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.

Article 25
1. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
2. Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

Article 26
1. Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
2. Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
3. Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

Article 27
1. Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
2. Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests
resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

Article 28
Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

Article 29
1. Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
2. In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determin ed by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
3. These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 30
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.”

/Data voice
/Data mode

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

searching Google for UN charter of human rights

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Pages/Home.aspx

http://www.icnl.org/research/

http://www.icnl.org/research/library/files/Transnational/UNIVERSAL_DECLARATION_OF_HUMAN_RIGHTS.pdf

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Documents/UDHR_Translations/eng.pdf

If you don’t like anything in it complain to the human rights commission

there’s lots of that that religions already follow, what in particular are you saying they don’t that they should.

(p.s. the fact that yuo had to google it and only supplied links is a pretty good indicator you know SFA about what you are talking about…)

/Data mode

/Data Voice

“All the articles are important, attempting to exclude this or this law is meaningless and unnecessary, here is a copy of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights “.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Documents/UDHR_Translations/eng.pdf

“Let Me Recite Them All To You”

“Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Preamble

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world, Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people, Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law, Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations, Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom, Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in cooperation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms, Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge, Now, therefore, The General Assembly, Proclaims this Universal Declaration of Human Rights as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.

Article I
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Article 2
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

Article 3
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Article 4
No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

Article 5
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Article 6
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

Article 7
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law.

All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

Article 8
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

Article 9
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

Article 10
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

Article 11
1. Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence. 2. No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.

Article 12
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Article 13
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each State.

2. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Article 14
1. Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
2. This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 15
1. Everyone has the right to a nationality.
2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to
change his nationality.

Article 16
1. Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
2. Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
3. The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

Article 17
1. Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

Article 18
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 19
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Article 20
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
2. No one may be compelled to belong to an association.

Article 21
1. Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
2. Everyone has the right to equal access to public service in his country.
3. The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.

Article 22
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

Article 23
1. Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
2. Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
3. Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration
ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
4. Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

Article 24
Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.

Article 25
1. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
2. Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

Article 26
1. Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
2. Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
3. Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

Article 27
1. Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
2. Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests
resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

Article 28
Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

Article 29
1. Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
2. In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determin ed by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
3. These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 30
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.”

/Data voice
/Data mode

Article 2
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

Article 18
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

so why are you declaring that the world should follow this, when you yourself don’t?

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

there’s lots of that that religions already follow, what in particular are you saying they don’t that they should.

(p.s. the fact that yuo had to google it and only supplied links is a pretty good indicator you know SFA about what you are talking about…)

/Data mode

/Data Voice

“All the articles are important, attempting to exclude this or this law is meaningless and unnecessary, here is a copy of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights “.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Documents/UDHR_Translations/eng.pdf

“Let Me Recite Them All To You”

“Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Preamble

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world, Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people, Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law, Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations, Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom, Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in cooperation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms, Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge, Now, therefore, The General Assembly, Proclaims this Universal Declaration of Human Rights as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.

Article I
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Article 2
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

Article 3
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Article 4
No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

Article 5
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Article 6
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

Article 7
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law.

All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

Article 8
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

Article 9
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

Article 10
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

Article 11
1. Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence. 2. No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.

Article 12
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Article 13
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each State.

2. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Article 14
1. Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
2. This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 15
1. Everyone has the right to a nationality.
2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to
change his nationality.

Article 16
1. Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
2. Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
3. The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

Article 17
1. Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

Article 18
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 19
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Article 20
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
2. No one may be compelled to belong to an association.

Article 21
1. Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
2. Everyone has the right to equal access to public service in his country.
3. The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.

Article 22
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

Article 23
1. Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
2. Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
3. Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration
ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
4. Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

Article 24
Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.

Article 25
1. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
2. Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

Article 26
1. Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
2. Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
3. Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

Article 27
1. Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
2. Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests
resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

Article 28
Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

Article 29
1. Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
2. In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determin ed by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
3. These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 30
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.”

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Article 2
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

Article 18
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

so why are you declaring that the world should follow this, when you yourself don’t?

I follow it, you are wrong.

Im not in anyway in conflict with article 2 or 18

If you or others want to believe in religion that is your right

If I want to believe in the the big bang, while being non religious that is my right

if you or others want to believe in both God and the big bang that is up to you

you can create a sentence “so why are you declaring that the world should follow this, when you yourself don’t?” is your opinion

Yes Im saying the world religions and anyone else should follow this, Yes I follow it, if others don’t that is their doing.

Im against people who want to shove religion down other peoples throats

they can fuck off

doesnt mean i hate them and/or want to kill them

It just means I dont care to listen to made up fictitious bullshit

Im going to listen to some music

You sound troubled, my son.

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

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“All the articles are important, attempting to exclude this or this law is meaningless and unnecessary, here is a copy of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights “.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Documents/UDHR_Translations/eng.pdf

“Let Me Recite Them All To You”

“Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Preamble

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world, Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people, Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law, Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations, Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom, Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in cooperation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms, Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge, Now, therefore, The General Assembly, Proclaims this Universal Declaration of Human Rights as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.

Article I
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Article 2
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

Article 3
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Article 4
No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

Article 5
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Article 6
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

Article 7
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law.

All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

Article 8
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

Article 9
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

Article 10
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

Article 11
1. Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence. 2. No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.

Article 12
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Article 13
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each State.

2. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Article 14
1. Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
2. This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 15
1. Everyone has the right to a nationality.
2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to
change his nationality.

Article 16
1. Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
2. Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
3. The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

Article 17
1. Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

Article 18
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 19
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Article 20
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
2. No one may be compelled to belong to an association.

Article 21
1. Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
2. Everyone has the right to equal access to public service in his country.
3. The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.

Article 22
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

Article 23
1. Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
2. Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
3. Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration
ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
4. Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

Article 24
Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.

Article 25
1. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
2. Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

Article 26
1. Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
2. Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
3. Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

Article 27
1. Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
2. Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests
resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

Article 28
Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

Article 29
1. Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
2. In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determin ed by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
3. These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 30
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.”

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Article 2
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

Article 18
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

so why are you declaring that the world should follow this, when you yourself don’t?

I follow it, you are wrong.

Im not in anyway in conflict with article 2 or 18

If you or others want to believe in religion that is your right

If I want to believe in the the big bang, while being non religious that is my right

if you or others want to believe in both God and the big bang that is up to you

you can create a sentence “so why are you declaring that the world should follow this, when you yourself don’t?” is your opinion

Yes Im saying the world religions and anyone else should follow this, Yes I follow it, if others don’t that is their doing.

Im against people who want to shove religion down other peoples throats

they can fuck off

doesnt mean i hate them and/or want to kill them

It just means I dont care to listen to made up fictitious bullshit

Im going to listen to some music

your words:

From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 824984
Subject: re: All religions are mental diseases

from a biological point of view religion serves no purpose

there is no proof of any god, human beings are wasting time believing in something that does not exist, religion has no biological purpose

other than to distract humans to waste time, where otherwise if not religious people would be spending their time differently

it would be good to see religion disappear completely but that is unlikely

if we are to do something, religions must accept the UN charter of Human rights

we must create new laws banning nutcases from starting cults and

stopping people from creating fraudulent organizations like Scientology

religions accepting the UN charter of human rights and practicing those rights would relieve people of unnecessary social burdens that human rights abuse’s create

also religions have to face the ethical dilemma of reality, vs the human imagination and fiction. Accepting the universe what it is compared with believing in a God (Gods existence being a very very remote possibility)

also accepting the evolution of the universe over 14 billion years from the big bang to now vs the not logical religious evolution of 6000 years

Also accepting that preaching that something exists when there is no proof is fraudulent, and changing their preaching to there is a possibility would reflect some reality into a fictitious idea.

I see religion as a negative behavior

Religion has been very destructive with the most recent media attention given to pedophile priests

I am not going to apologize for reality, those priests abused children sexually, which scares them for life

pick out another article and twist it around to attack me, it doesn’t bother me, have a look at your behavior,

Music Time

CrazyNeutrino said:

I see religion as a negative behavior

Religion has been very destructive with the most recent media attention given to pedophile priests

I am not going to apologize for reality, those priests abused children sexually, which scares them for life

pick out another article and twist it around to attack me, it doesn’t bother me, have a look at your behavior,

Music Time

you’ve stereotyped 1 religion.

I know of a couple of dope smoking kiddy fiddlers.

ergo, all dope smokers are kiddy fiddlers using your logic

I think religion has had a negative impact on humanity

I admire the quest for spirituality in the search for consciousness

I think the human awareness and consciousness exist in the brain which has been shown to have a magnetic field due to the electrical activity of the neurons in the electro-chemical body. We have an awareness linked through external perception (the 5 senses) I think this awareness of our selves and our environment is our consciousness, the conscienceless being a apart of the brain and mind which is a part of the body, there are no separate bits, electrical activity in our bodies is analogue and these electrical properties obey natural laws of physics.

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I see religion as a negative behavior

Religion has been very destructive with the most recent media attention given to pedophile priests

I am not going to apologize for reality, those priests abused children sexually, which scares them for life

pick out another article and twist it around to attack me, it doesn’t bother me, have a look at your behavior,

Music Time

you’ve stereotyped 1 religion.

I know of a couple of dope smoking kiddy fiddlers.

ergo, all dope smokers are kiddy fiddlers using your logic

yes, it seems silly to judge the whole on the actions of a few.

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I see religion as a negative behavior

Religion has been very destructive with the most recent media attention given to pedophile priests

I am not going to apologize for reality, those priests abused children sexually, which scares them for life

pick out another article and twist it around to attack me, it doesn’t bother me, have a look at your behavior,

Music Time

you’ve stereotyped 1 religion.

I know of a couple of dope smoking kiddy fiddlers.

ergo, all dope smokers are kiddy fiddlers using your logic

That’s all very well, Stumpy; but did you really examine your behaviour as was requested? I imagine not.

To reach out a hand you need to unclench your fist.

Peak Warming Man said:

To reach out a hand you need to unclench your fist.

But to poke someone only requires one finger.

is that an old jungle saying PWM?

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I see religion as a negative behavior

Religion has been very destructive with the most recent media attention given to pedophile priests

I am not going to apologize for reality, those priests abused children sexually, which scares them for life

pick out another article and twist it around to attack me, it doesn’t bother me, have a look at your behavior,

Music Time

you’ve stereotyped 1 religion.

I know of a couple of dope smoking kiddy fiddlers.

ergo, all dope smokers are kiddy fiddlers using your logic

I stereotyped 1 religion?

they all follow similar behaviors.

in other words they all have abused someones rights in some manner

and its people committing these crimes

those that want to place themselves above others

corruption of power

Peak Warming Man said:

To reach out a hand you need to unclench your fist.

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someone likes to put words in someone else’s mouth

Im my own person

thanks

sibeen said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I see religion as a negative behavior

Religion has been very destructive with the most recent media attention given to pedophile priests

I am not going to apologize for reality, those priests abused children sexually, which scares them for life

pick out another article and twist it around to attack me, it doesn’t bother me, have a look at your behavior,

Music Time

you’ve stereotyped 1 religion.

I know of a couple of dope smoking kiddy fiddlers.

ergo, all dope smokers are kiddy fiddlers using your logic

That’s all very well, Stumpy; but did you really examine your behaviour as was requested? I imagine not.

yeah, that twisting of CN’s words in the context it was written was a bit much, wasn’t it.
I won’t post quotes from the chapters of the UNDoHR from the links that CN supplied and stick to the dot point definition that he/she conjured up…

sits in the corner to reflect on behaviour

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I see religion as a negative behavior

Religion has been very destructive with the most recent media attention given to pedophile priests

I am not going to apologize for reality, those priests abused children sexually, which scares them for life

pick out another article and twist it around to attack me, it doesn’t bother me, have a look at your behavior,

Music Time

you’ve stereotyped 1 religion.

I know of a couple of dope smoking kiddy fiddlers.

ergo, all dope smokers are kiddy fiddlers using your logic

I stereotyped 1 religion?

they all follow similar behaviors.

in other words they all have abused someones rights in some manner

and its people committing these crimes

those that want to place themselves above others

corruption of power

buddhism’s a bitch, hey…

looks we should all calm down and take a dose of the good 710

Arts said:

looks we should all calm down and take a dose of the good 710

I suspect we’ll have to wait for the Midnight 710 for that.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Arts said:

looks we should all calm down and take a dose of the good 710

I suspect we’ll have to wait for the Midnight 710 for that.

They have a cracked sump.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Arts said:

looks we should all calm down and take a dose of the good 710

I suspect we’ll have to wait for the Midnight 710 for that.

but how can we sleep while our beds are burning?

None more so than the religion of fundamental enviro mental ism

The_observer said:

None more so than the religion of fundamental enviro mental ism

Not a religion, nor fundamentalists, just concerned people trying to curb the abuse of the environment by people like you.

oh noes, this thread is going to go downhill from here…can we never have a thread about religion that doesn’t end in a shitfestfight?

:-)

how’s ya vagina

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

None more so than the religion of fundamental enviro mental ism

Not a religion, nor fundamentalists, just concerned people trying to curb the abuse of the environment by people like you.

No, there’s a big difference.

Some people believe in god & go to church, but their acquaintances wouldn’t know it.

Then there are those who demand everyone attend church daily.

The latter is your type.

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

None more so than the religion of fundamental enviro mental ism

Not a religion, nor fundamentalists, just concerned people trying to curb the abuse of the environment by people like you.

No, there’s a big difference.

Some people believe in god & go to church, but their acquaintances wouldn’t know it.

Then there are those who demand everyone attend church daily.

The latter is your type.

No, we just want to stop people like you from destroying the environment. That is far more important than the financial welfare of a very greedy and selfish species.

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

Not a religion, nor fundamentalists, just concerned people trying to curb the abuse of the environment by people like you.

No, there’s a big difference.

Some people believe in god & go to church, but their acquaintances wouldn’t know it.

Then there are those who demand everyone attend church daily.

The latter is your type.

No, we just want to stop people like you from destroying the environment. That is far more important than the financial welfare of a very greedy and selfish species.

Tell me again about your block in Merrivale.

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

Not a religion, nor fundamentalists, just concerned people trying to curb the abuse of the environment by people like you.

No, there’s a big difference.

Some people believe in god & go to church, but their acquaintances wouldn’t know it.

Then there are those who demand everyone attend church daily.

The latter is your type.

No, we just want to stop people like you from destroying the environment. That is far more important than the financial welfare of a very greedy and selfish species.

Yours is a good example of idealogical fanaticism based on faith – that I destroy the environment – what a fuckwit

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

No, there’s a big difference.

Some people believe in god & go to church, but their acquaintances wouldn’t know it.

Then there are those who demand everyone attend church daily.

The latter is your type.

No, we just want to stop people like you from destroying the environment. That is far more important than the financial welfare of a very greedy and selfish species.

Yours is a good example of idealogical fanaticism based on faith – that I destroy the environment – what a fuckwit

Point is, that you can’t if others stop you.

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

No, there’s a big difference.

Some people believe in god & go to church, but their acquaintances wouldn’t know it.

Then there are those who demand everyone attend church daily.

The latter is your type.

No, we just want to stop people like you from destroying the environment. That is far more important than the financial welfare of a very greedy and selfish species.

Tell me again about your block in Merrivale.

Only one r in Merivale Observer. Are you trying to say you know where I live? If so, I have never tried to hide the fact and I would welcome a visit from you.

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

No, we just want to stop people like you from destroying the environment. That is far more important than the financial welfare of a very greedy and selfish species.

Yours is a good example of idealogical fanaticism based on faith – that I destroy the environment – what a fuckwit

Point is, that you can’t if others stop you.

Your scum decide in your own minds what facts are
reality is far different

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

No, there’s a big difference.

Some people believe in god & go to church, but their acquaintances wouldn’t know it.

Then there are those who demand everyone attend church daily.

The latter is your type.

No, we just want to stop people like you from destroying the environment. That is far more important than the financial welfare of a very greedy and selfish species.

Yours is a good example of idealogical fanaticism based on faith – that I destroy the environment – what a fuckwit

Everything you believe in is anti-environment, something that does not need to be proved, as you have said as much on many occasion.

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

Yours is a good example of idealogical fanaticism based on faith – that I destroy the environment – what a fuckwit

Point is, that you can’t if others stop you.

Your scum decide in your own minds what facts are
reality is far different

You aren’t going to make any progress talking scum.

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

No, we just want to stop people like you from destroying the environment. That is far more important than the financial welfare of a very greedy and selfish species.

Tell me again about your block in Merrivale.

Only one r in Merivale Observer. Are you trying to say you know where I live? If so, I have never tried to hide the fact and I would welcome a visit from you.

I’m not just moi pf. Believe it or not many individuals hate you.

you can refer to us all as to if its easier 4 u

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

No, we just want to stop people like you from destroying the environment. That is far more important than the financial welfare of a very greedy and selfish species.

Yours is a good example of idealogical fanaticism based on faith – that I destroy the environment – what a fuckwit

Everything you believe in is anti-environment, something that does not need to be proved, as you have said as much on many occasion.

Waft on

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

No, we just want to stop people like you from destroying the environment. That is far more important than the financial welfare of a very greedy and selfish species.

Tell me again about your block in Merrivale.

Only one r in Merivale Observer. Are you trying to say you know where I live? If so, I have never tried to hide the fact and I would welcome a visit from you.

I’m no to, but I assume you cleared it to build a cosy little snug for you and your wife?

You have destroyed the poor little birdys habitat and god knows about the reptiles and insects.

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

Tell me again about your block in Merrivale.

Only one r in Merivale Observer. Are you trying to say you know where I live? If so, I have never tried to hide the fact and I would welcome a visit from you.

I’m not just moi pf. Believe it or not many individuals hate you.

you can refer to us all as to if its easier 4 u

True, you are all right-wing idiots.

what a miserable bunch of old and twisted people you lot are. just look at yourselves.

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

Tell me again about your block in Merrivale.

Only one r in Merivale Observer. Are you trying to say you know where I live? If so, I have never tried to hide the fact and I would welcome a visit from you.

I’m no to, but I assume you cleared it to build a cosy little snug for you and your wife?

You have destroyed the poor little birdys habitat and god knows about the reptiles and insects.

For the amount of land I have damaged, I have made a much safer and more productive environment, where the flora and fauna have done exceedingly well.

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

Only one r in Merivale Observer. Are you trying to say you know where I live? If so, I have never tried to hide the fact and I would welcome a visit from you.

I’m not just moi pf. Believe it or not many individuals hate you.

you can refer to us all as to if its easier 4 u

True, you are all right-wing idiots.

Seems many lefties here hate u 2.

ChrispenEvan said:

what a miserable bunch of old and twisted people you lot are. just look at yourselves.

Don’t know about the rest but I have no psychological disorder.

ChrispenEvan said:

what a miserable bunch of old and twisted people you lot are. just look at yourselves.

Jesus you’re a cocktail

ChrispenEvan said:

what a miserable bunch of old and twisted people you lot are. just look at yourselves.

Jesus you’re a cocktail

ChrispenEvan said:

what a miserable bunch of old and twisted people you lot are. just look at yourselves.

Jesus you’re a cocktail

ChrispenEvan said:

what a miserable bunch of old and twisted people you lot are. just look at yourselves.

Jesus you’re a cocktail

ChrispenEvan said:

what a miserable bunch of old and twisted people you lot are. just look at yourselves.

Who?

LOL. must have got a bite. pity i don’t read your tripe anymore. no need, i know what you are on about.

:-)

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

I’m not just moi pf. Believe it or not many individuals hate you.

you can refer to us all as to if its easier 4 u

True, you are all right-wing idiots.

Seems many lefties here hate u 2.

To be fair, Bono is very annoying.

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

Only one r in Merivale Observer. Are you trying to say you know where I live? If so, I have never tried to hide the fact and I would welcome a visit from you.

I’m no to, but I assume you cleared it to build a cosy little snug for you and your wife?

You have destroyed the poor little birdys habitat and god knows about the reptiles and insects.

For the amount of land I have damaged, I have made a much safer and more productive environment, where the flora and fauna have done exceedingly well.

But you use the dreaded fossil fuels to go into Esperance? Fuckn hypocrite.

The_observer said:

ChrispenEvan said:

what a miserable bunch of old and twisted people you lot are. just look at yourselves.

Jesus you’re a cocktail

He’s got a lot of names but that’s a new one.

ChrispenEvan said:

LOL. must have got a bite. pity i don’t read your tripe anymore. no need, i know what you are on about.

:-)

Fees how I wish that was true
but obviously it isn’t

ChrispenEvan said:

LOL. must have got a bite. pity i don’t read your tripe anymore. no need, i know what you are on about.

:-)

Fees how I wish that was true
but obviously it isn’t

ChrispenEvan said:

what a miserable bunch of old and twisted people you lot are. just look at yourselves.

——

I worked in an old peoples home for a year and the one thing that struck me was they were either nice or bitter.

ChrispenEvan said:

what a miserable bunch of old and twisted people you lot are. just look at yourselves.

For your anti-environment attitude now expressed, it is a great pity you can do nothing for the environment, but make such stupid comment. And don’t damn well degrade my environmental views as something on the same level as the Observer, as in so doing you are showing your own ignorance. I am not a voice in the wilderness but hold the main-stream views of most scientists actually working in the field and hence knowing better the problems facing the biota.

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

ChrispenEvan said:

what a miserable bunch of old and twisted people you lot are. just look at yourselves.

Jesus you’re a cocktail

He’s got a lot of names but that’s a new one.

How many can I drink before I exceed .05?

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

I’m not just moi pf. Believe it or not many individuals hate you.

you can refer to us all as to if its easier 4 u

True, you are all right-wing idiots.

Seems many lefties here hate u 2.

The extremes of both left and right are very similar.

The_observer said:

ChrispenEvan said:

LOL. must have got a bite. pity i don’t read your tripe anymore. no need, i know what you are on about.

:-)

Fees how I wish that was true
but obviously it isn’t

The_observer said:

ChrispenEvan said:

LOL. must have got a bite. pity i don’t read your tripe anymore. no need, i know what you are on about.

:-)

Fees how I wish that was true
but obviously it isn’t

Fees how I wish that was true
but obviously it isn’t

ChrispenEvan said:

LOL. must have got a bite. pity i don’t read your tripe anymore. no need, i know what you are on about.

:-)

tauto said:

ChrispenEvan said:

what a miserable bunch of old and twisted people you lot are. just look at yourselves.

——

I worked in an old peoples home for a year and the one thing that struck me was they were either nice or bitter.

Environ mental ists r bitter bitter bitter

The_observer said:

ChrispenEvan said:

what a miserable bunch of old and twisted people you lot are. just look at yourselves.

Jesus you’re a cocktail

LOL. must have got a bite. pity i don’t read your tripe anymore. no need, i know what you are on about.

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

Only one r in Merivale Observer. Are you trying to say you know where I live? If so, I have never tried to hide the fact and I would welcome a visit from you.

I’m no to, but I assume you cleared it to build a cosy little snug for you and your wife?

You have destroyed the poor little birdys habitat and god knows about the reptiles and insects.

For the amount of land I have damaged, I have made a much safer and more productive environment, where the flora and fauna have done exceedingly well.

True, you are all right-wing id

PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

what a miserable bunch of old and twisted people you lot are. just look at yourselves.

For your anti-environment attitude now expressed, it is a great pity you can do nothing for the environment, but make such stupid comment. And don’t damn well degrade my environmental views as something on the same level as the Observer, as in so doing you are showing your own ignorance. I am not a voice in the wilderness but hold the main-stream views of most scientists actually working in the field and hence knowing better the problems facing the biota.

Fees u love itself pf

transition said:

how’s ya vagina

they say 20-60pm is good

ChrispenEvan said:

ChrispenEvan said:

LOL. must have got a bite. pity i don’t read your tripe anymore. no need, i know what you are on about.

:-)

you’re still a sorry lot of human’s though.

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

I’m no to, but I assume you cleared it to build a cosy little snug for you and your wife?

You have destroyed the poor little birdys habitat and god knows about the reptiles and insects.

For the amount of land I have damaged, I have made a much safer and more productive environment, where the flora and fauna have done exceedingly well.

But you use the dreaded fossil fuels to go into Esperance? Fuckn hypocrite.

No I don’t live in a cave either and buy my needs in town rather than killing it for myself, although I do grow fruit and veg. What a complete fool you are! Are you really that dumb that you rely on such simplistic arguments?

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

what a miserable bunch of old and twisted people you lot are. just look at yourselves.

For your anti-environment attitude now expressed, it is a great pity you can do nothing for the environment, but make such stupid comment. And don’t damn well degrade my environmental views as something on the same level as the Observer, as in so doing you are showing your own ignorance. I am not a voice in the wilderness but hold the main-stream views of most scientists actually working in the field and hence knowing better the problems facing the biota.

Fees u love itself pf

Lol

ChrispenEvan said:

ChrispenEvan said:

ChrispenEvan said:

LOL. must have got a bite. pity i don’t read your tripe anymore. no need, i know what you are on about.

:-)

you’re still a sorry lot of human’s though.

And you are a silly old fart who is not aging well.

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

For the amount of land I have damaged, I have made a much safer and more productive environment, where the flora and fauna have done exceedingly well.

But you use the dreaded fossil fuels to go into Esperance? Fuckn hypocrite.

No I don’t live in a cave either and buy my needs in town rather than killing it for myself, although I do grow fruit and veg. What a complete fool you are! Are you really that dumb that you rely on such simplistic arguments?

At least his r based on fact unlike ur fantasies

The_observer said:

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

For your anti-environment attitude now expressed, it is a great pity you can do nothing for the environment, but make such stupid comment. And don’t damn well degrade my environmental views as something on the same level as the Observer, as in so doing you are showing your own ignorance. I am not a voice in the wilderness but hold the main-stream views of most scientists actually working in the field and hence knowing better the problems facing the biota.

Fees u love itself pf

Lol

Laughing at your own comment Observer? Unfortunately I have no idea what you are on about.

CrazyNeutrino said:

transition said:

how’s ya vagina

they say 20-60pm is good

from

http://www.girlsaskguys.com/sexual-behavior/q585541-approximately-how-many-strokes-do-you-do-per

https://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/20px4u/how_long_should_guys_last_in_bed/

and

Are you getting yours?

From: Modemac <modemac@modemac.com>
Date: Sat, Feb 2, 2002

Scientists have determined that the average time of intercourse is
four minutes.

The average number of strokes per minute is nine, making the average
intercourse of thirty-six strokes.

Since the average size is six inches, the average girl receives 216
inches or 18 feet per intercourse.

The average girl does it three times a week, fifty weeks out of the
year and 150 times 18 makes 2700 feet, or just a little over a half
mile.

So girls, are you getting your half mile a year?
—
First Online Church of “Bob”
http://www.modemac.com/

looks around

Church of Bob?

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

But you use the dreaded fossil fuels to go into Esperance? Fuckn hypocrite.

No I don’t live in a cave either and buy my needs in town rather than killing it for myself, although I do grow fruit and veg. What a complete fool you are! Are you really that dumb that you rely on such simplistic arguments?

At least his r based on fact unlike ur fantasies

I agree fully as it applies to you.

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

For the amount of land I have damaged, I have made a much safer and more productive environment, where the flora and fauna have done exceedingly well.

But you use the dreaded fossil fuels to go into Esperance? Fuckn hypocrite.

No I don’t live in a cave either and buy my needs in town rather than killing it for myself, although I do grow fruit and veg. What a complete fool you are! Are you really that dumb that you rely on such simplistic arguments?

You’ve destroyed the habitat, condone the use of something you are dead set against, what more. I got my little niche, fuck the rest of you stop it now.

You showed your true colours in the recent bushfire crisis (which was nowhere near you), not ONE word of sympathy for the deceased, lost of stock and livelyhood. I know well what you are.

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

The_observer said:

Fees u love itself pf

Lol

Laughing at your own comment Observer? Unfortunately I have no idea what you are on about.

That’s the first honest & factual comment u have ever posted

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

But you use the dreaded fossil fuels to go into Esperance? Fuckn hypocrite.

No I don’t live in a cave either and buy my needs in town rather than killing it for myself, although I do grow fruit and veg. What a complete fool you are! Are you really that dumb that you rely on such simplistic arguments?

You’ve destroyed the habitat, condone the use of something you are dead set against, what more. I got my little niche, fuck the rest of you stop it now.

You showed your true colours in the recent bushfire crisis (which was nowhere near you), not ONE word of sympathy for the deceased, lost of stock and livelyhood. I know well what you are.

For you information I have cleared LESS than an acre in a property of over 100 acres, so not much damage there. As for the bushfires they got to within 30 metres of this property, which is close enough for me.

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

No I don’t live in a cave either and buy my needs in town rather than killing it for myself, although I do grow fruit and veg. What a complete fool you are! Are you really that dumb that you rely on such simplistic arguments?

You’ve destroyed the habitat, condone the use of something you are dead set against, what more. I got my little niche, fuck the rest of you stop it now.

You showed your true colours in the recent bushfire crisis (which was nowhere near you), not ONE word of sympathy for the deceased, lost of stock and livelyhood. I know well what you are.

For you information I have cleared LESS than an acre in a property of over 100 acres, so not much damage there. As for the bushfires they got to within 30 metres of this property, which is close enough for me.

Scrub fire remember. The shit would be lucky to be two metres high. Fkn hero. What about Grass Patch?

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

Lol

Laughing at your own comment Observer? Unfortunately I have no idea what you are on about.

That’s the first honest & factual comment u have ever posted

I think you talk to yourself and your sock puppet quite a bit Observer. You are quite crazy!

who’s winning?

ChrispenEvan said:

who’s winning?

Why ask? You’re not clicking, remember?

ChrispenEvan said:

who’s winning?

not sure…

It’s a bit like a window licking competition… they’re fairly even paced,

But in the end they just end up both looking retarded…

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

You’ve destroyed the habitat, condone the use of something you are dead set against, what more. I got my little niche, fuck the rest of you stop it now.

You showed your true colours in the recent bushfire crisis (which was nowhere near you), not ONE word of sympathy for the deceased, lost of stock and livelyhood. I know well what you are.

For you information I have cleared LESS than an acre in a property of over 100 acres, so not much damage there. As for the bushfires they got to within 30 metres of this property, which is close enough for me.

Scrub fire remember. The shit would be lucky to be two metres high. Fkn hero. What about Grass Patch?

You know absolutely nothing about the vegetation in this area and your assessment of size is just ridiculous. The scrub you refer to is commonly 2-3 metres in height, interspaced with eucalypts to over six metres and on this property there are trees in excess of 12 metres and banksias commonly over 6 metres. Obviously you have no idea the height of the flames can reach in such circumstances. I don’t mind you disbelieving me, but try getting your facts right when you do.

stumpy_seahorse said:

ChrispenEvan said:

who’s winning?

not sure…

It’s a bit like a window licking competition… they’re fairly even paced,

But in the end they just end up both looking retarded…

Yes, my 2016 resolution was not to engage with the fucking retards on here, didn’t last long, so I might as well go in boots and all.

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

For you information I have cleared LESS than an acre in a property of over 100 acres, so not much damage there. As for the bushfires they got to within 30 metres of this property, which is close enough for me.

Scrub fire remember. The shit would be lucky to be two metres high. Fkn hero. What about Grass Patch?

You know absolutely nothing about the vegetation in this area and your assessment of size is just ridiculous. The scrub you refer to is commonly 2-3 metres in height, interspaced with eucalypts to over six metres and on this property there are trees in excess of 12 metres and banksias commonly over 6 metres. Obviously you have no idea the height of the flames can reach in such circumstances. I don’t mind you disbelieving me, but try getting your facts right when you do.

…and your empathy for your northern bretheren? No mention. It’s too late now anyway, you’ve shown…me, me, me.

stumpy_seahorse said:

ChrispenEvan said:

who’s winning?

not sure…

It’s a bit like a window licking competition… they’re fairly even paced,

But in the end they just end up both looking retarded…

You fuckwit Stumpy, you claim to have environmental understanding, but when you make such comment, it shows how little you know. I think you, Boris and a couple of others are using DO’s tactics of undermine and demean those who counter the stupidity of people like the Observer.

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

Scrub fire remember. The shit would be lucky to be two metres high. Fkn hero. What about Grass Patch?

You know absolutely nothing about the vegetation in this area and your assessment of size is just ridiculous. The scrub you refer to is commonly 2-3 metres in height, interspaced with eucalypts to over six metres and on this property there are trees in excess of 12 metres and banksias commonly over 6 metres. Obviously you have no idea the height of the flames can reach in such circumstances. I don’t mind you disbelieving me, but try getting your facts right when you do.

…and your empathy for your northern bretheren? No mention. It’s too late now anyway, you’ve shown…me, me, me.

What the fuck has that got to do with me. I only commented on what was happening around me. If you don’t like it, tough, I’m not a newspaper.

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

You know absolutely nothing about the vegetation in this area and your assessment of size is just ridiculous. The scrub you refer to is commonly 2-3 metres in height, interspaced with eucalypts to over six metres and on this property there are trees in excess of 12 metres and banksias commonly over 6 metres. Obviously you have no idea the height of the flames can reach in such circumstances. I don’t mind you disbelieving me, but try getting your facts right when you do.

…and your empathy for your northern bretheren? No mention. It’s too late now anyway, you’ve shown…me, me, me.

What the fuck has that got to do with me. I only commented on what was happening around me. If you don’t like it, tough, I’m not a newspaper.

I suspect that you are the person who stays home all day and contemplates your navel and sends the better half out to bring in the cash.

Teacher perhaps PF? Can’t think of a job down there that would suit a loony environmentalist.

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

…and your empathy for your northern bretheren? No mention. It’s too late now anyway, you’ve shown…me, me, me.

What the fuck has that got to do with me. I only commented on what was happening around me. If you don’t like it, tough, I’m not a newspaper.

I suspect that you are the person who stays home all day and contemplates your navel and sends the better half out to bring in the cash.

Teacher perhaps PF? Can’t think of a job down there that would suit a loony environmentalist.

I think I have mentioned before that my wife is a teacher, but I have my own means of support, which I might add does permit me to study the environment, as my environmental blogs attest.

religion could be an evolutionary thing

if someone has “faith” , it might help them overcome many stressful situations

the christians were hurled into the arena to be devoured by lions – you’d need plenty of faith

if you were a soldier marching out to war your faith might give you an advantage over the heathen horde

joan of arc had faith and one persons faith galvanised the french army – its true she was burnt at the stake (a very uncharitable thing to do by the british – if not very stupid – she could have been ransomed) but by then her faith had overcome the british supremacy in france

that faith can be turned to violence or anything else

to be a saint more often than not is about someones fanatical zeal to do good for the community

religious groups moreover run shelters and care for the poor, old, young and sick

if someone had a strong faith that pushed them to help the less fortunate would we class it as mental illness?

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

What the fuck has that got to do with me. I only commented on what was happening around me. If you don’t like it, tough, I’m not a newspaper.

I suspect that you are the person who stays home all day and contemplates your navel and sends the better half out to bring in the cash.

Teacher perhaps PF? Can’t think of a job down there that would suit a loony environmentalist.

I think I have mentioned before that my wife is a teacher, but I have my own means of support, which I might add does permit me to study the environment, as my environmental blogs attest.

I’ve read your blogs and science they aint.

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

I suspect that you are the person who stays home all day and contemplates your navel and sends the better half out to bring in the cash.

Teacher perhaps PF? Can’t think of a job down there that would suit a loony environmentalist.

I think I have mentioned before that my wife is a teacher, but I have my own means of support, which I might add does permit me to study the environment, as my environmental blogs attest.

I’ve read your blogs and science they aint.

Don’t think you are competent to judge, now go and act the fool somewhere else.

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

I think I have mentioned before that my wife is a teacher, but I have my own means of support, which I might add does permit me to study the environment, as my environmental blogs attest.

I’ve read your blogs and science they aint.

Don’t think you are competent to judge, now go and act the fool somewhere else.

don’t bite

It shows a distinct lack of character of those who would do DO’s bidding, by comparing my environmental credential and place them on the same level as the Observer, and for no other reason than to undermine me. It shows their level of commitment to science when you rubbish it for such crass reasons.

PermeateFree said:

It shows a distinct lack of character of those who would do DO’s bidding, by comparing my environmental credential and place them on the same level as the Observer, and for no other reason than to undermine me. It shows their level of commitment to science when you rubbish it for such crass reasons.

forget DO he rarely comes here and you are barking up the wrong tree with that

PermeateFree said:

It shows a distinct lack of character of those who would do DO’s bidding, by comparing my environmental credential and place them on the same level as the Observer, and for no other reason than to undermine me. It shows their level of commitment to science when you rubbish it for such crass reasons.

Where’s your blog again?

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

I’ve read your blogs and science they aint.

Don’t think you are competent to judge, now go and act the fool somewhere else.

don’t bite

Wookie, these fuckwits would destroy to world and everything in it. If you think that is not worth defending, then you and I have very different outlooks on life.

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

Don’t think you are competent to judge, now go and act the fool somewhere else.

don’t bite

Wookie, these fuckwits would destroy to world and everything in it. If you think that is not worth defending, then you and I have very different outlooks on life.

i work in mysterious ways to change the world

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

It shows a distinct lack of character of those who would do DO’s bidding, by comparing my environmental credential and place them on the same level as the Observer, and for no other reason than to undermine me. It shows their level of commitment to science when you rubbish it for such crass reasons.

forget DO he rarely comes here and you are barking up the wrong tree with that

Sorry Wookie, but I don’t think you would be trusted with such information, there are those here that are his mindless followers and they know very well who they are.

Witty Rejoinder said:

PermeateFree said:

It shows a distinct lack of character of those who would do DO’s bidding, by comparing my environmental credential and place them on the same level as the Observer, and for no other reason than to undermine me. It shows their level of commitment to science when you rubbish it for such crass reasons.

Where’s your blog again?

Google Esperance Wildflowers, where there are links to the others.

if you want the change be the change – that’s what they say

its a hot , sweaty, thankless journey walking barefoot on hot stones on the path to salvation

lunatics on one side, halfwits on the other all met with the same stick

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

I think I have mentioned before that my wife is a teacher, but I have my own means of support, which I might add does permit me to study the environment, as my environmental blogs attest.

I’ve read your blogs and science they aint.

Don’t think you are competent to judge, now go and act the fool somewhere else.

Well because I’m preparing the nightly meal, I haven’t really got time.

But you can rest assured that tomorrow there will be a thread pointing out exactly where your efforts are that of an amatuer.

…and I know quite a bit about the scientific method btw.

wookiemeister said:

if you want the change be the change – that’s what they say

its a hot , sweaty, thankless journey walking barefoot on hot stones on the path to salvation

lunatics on one side, halfwits on the other all met with the same stick

To put it in those terms, it is a battle between good and evil, it never ends.

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

It shows a distinct lack of character of those who would do DO’s bidding, by comparing my environmental credential and place them on the same level as the Observer, and for no other reason than to undermine me. It shows their level of commitment to science when you rubbish it for such crass reasons.

forget DO he rarely comes here and you are barking up the wrong tree with that

Sorry Wookie, but I don’t think you would be trusted with such information, there are those here that are his mindless followers and they know very well who they are.

i’ve met him he seems quite normal

i suspect most of the characters here would be eccentrics in one form or the other no matter how normal they might present themselves

truth be known i’m probably well adjusted compared to the majority

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

forget DO he rarely comes here and you are barking up the wrong tree with that

Sorry Wookie, but I don’t think you would be trusted with such information, there are those here that are his mindless followers and they know very well who they are.

i’ve met him he seems quite normal

i suspect most of the characters here would be eccentrics in one form or the other no matter how normal they might present themselves

truth be known i’m probably well adjusted compared to the majority

and you are probably a very good driver?

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

if you want the change be the change – that’s what they say

its a hot , sweaty, thankless journey walking barefoot on hot stones on the path to salvation

lunatics on one side, halfwits on the other all met with the same stick

To put it in those terms, it is a battle between good and evil, it never ends.

good and evil are subjective terms in the head of your average joe

good and evil in practical terms are what you allow people to put into practice

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

if you want the change be the change – that’s what they say

its a hot , sweaty, thankless journey walking barefoot on hot stones on the path to salvation

lunatics on one side, halfwits on the other all met with the same stick

To put it in those terms, it is a battle between good and evil, it never ends.

good and evil are subjective terms in the head of your average joe

good and evil in practical terms are what you allow people to put into practice

Better things to do.

http://ask.metafilter.com/211580/Why-do-the-guys-want-to-go-so-fast-lately

CrazyNeutrino said:

http://ask.metafilter.com/211580/Why-do-the-guys-want-to-go-so-fast-lately

Why do the guys want to go so fast lately?

PermeateFree said:

Wookie, these fuckwits would destroy to world and everything in it. If you think that is not worth defending, then you and I have very different outlooks on life.

create a concept & reality leaves the room

“Instead of recognizing that people of good faith can reach different conclusions, critics on the left tend to demonize their opponents as corrupt or delusional.
They assert that there is only one truth—their truth—that is plain for all to see. And when others do not accept it, they figure that base and ugly motives must be at work.”

“It should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism (or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans, about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual as the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a noble idea.”

“Today’s debate about the environment is essentially a debate about freedom. The environmentalists would like to mastermind each and every possible (and impossible) aspect of our lives.”

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

Wookie, these fuckwits would destroy to world and everything in it. If you think that is not worth defending, then you and I have very different outlooks on life.

create a concept & reality leaves the room

“Instead of recognizing that people of good faith can reach different conclusions, critics on the left tend to demonize their opponents as corrupt or delusional.
They assert that there is only one truth—their truth—that is plain for all to see. And when others do not accept it, they figure that base and ugly motives must be at work.”

“It should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism (or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans, about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual as the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a noble idea.”

“Today’s debate about the environment is essentially a debate about freedom. The environmentalists would like to mastermind each and every possible (and impossible) aspect of our lives.”

and whose truth are you preaching?

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

Wookie, these fuckwits would destroy to world and everything in it. If you think that is not worth defending, then you and I have very different outlooks on life.

create a concept & reality leaves the room

“Instead of recognizing that people of good faith can reach different conclusions, critics on the left tend to demonize their opponents as corrupt or delusional.
They assert that there is only one truth—their truth—that is plain for all to see. And when others do not accept it, they figure that base and ugly motives must be at work.”

“It should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism (or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans, about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual as the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a noble idea.”

“Today’s debate about the environment is essentially a debate about freedom. The environmentalists would like to mastermind each and every possible (and impossible) aspect of our lives.”

and whose truth are you preaching?

Real’s

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

create a concept & reality leaves the room

“Instead of recognizing that people of good faith can reach different conclusions, critics on the left tend to demonize their opponents as corrupt or delusional.
They assert that there is only one truth—their truth—that is plain for all to see. And when others do not accept it, they figure that base and ugly motives must be at work.”

“It should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism (or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans, about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual as the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a noble idea.”

“Today’s debate about the environment is essentially a debate about freedom. The environmentalists would like to mastermind each and every possible (and impossible) aspect of our lives.”

and whose truth are you preaching?

Real’s

It is an unrealistic view.

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

Wookie, these fuckwits would destroy to world and everything in it. If you think that is not worth defending, then you and I have very different outlooks on life.

create a concept & reality leaves the room

“Instead of recognizing that people of good faith can reach different conclusions, critics on the left tend to demonize their opponents as corrupt or delusional.
They assert that there is only one truth—their truth—that is plain for all to see. And when others do not accept it, they figure that base and ugly motives must be at work.”

“It should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism (or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans, about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual as the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a noble idea.”

“Today’s debate about the environment is essentially a debate about freedom. The environmentalists would like to mastermind each and every possible (and impossible) aspect of our lives.”

and whose truth are you preaching?

“Think globally, act locally” is attributed to Rene Dubos, an advisor to the Maurice Strong chaired 1972 United Nations Conference on the Human Environment.

Maurice Strong, member of the club of Rome

“The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”

- Club of Rome, consultants to the United Nations

Maurice Strong, through the United Nations Environment Program (UNEP), transferred the objectives of the Club of Rome into policy. He set up a system that effectively bypassed politicians and legislators. Strong was using the U.N. as a platform to sell a global environment crisis and the Global Governance Agenda.
Strong is most responsible for setting up the bureaucratic structure necessary to control the political and science agendas. This began in earnest with the 1977 United Nations Conference on the Human Environment Stockholm Conference.

The three specific goals set out by the Secretary General of the Conference, Maurice F. Strong, at its first plenary session—a Declaration on the human environment, an Action Plan, and an organizational structure supported by a World Environment Fund—were all adopted by the Conference.

What was the Action Plan? It is the goal Strong considered most important and was set out in the Declaration of United Nations Conference on the Human Environment. This objective was set out in Local Agenda 21 Planning Guide, prepared by The International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives (ICLEI) with a Foreword by Strong.

Community leaders around the world are now called to implement a new “Communitarian” system of governance, which overrides constitutional rights and individual freedoms.

SOUNDS LIKE SCIENCE FICTION…OR SOME CONSPIRACY THEORY…BUT IT ISN’T.

UN Agenda 21/Sustainable Development is the action plan implemented worldwide to inventory and control all land, all water, all minerals, all plants, all animals, all construction, all means of production, all energy, all education, all information, and all human beings in the world. INVENTORY AND CONTROL.——Rosa Koire

In a nutshell, the plan calls for governments to take control of all land use and not leave any of the decision making in the hands of private property owners. It is assumed that people are not good stewards of their land and the government will do a better job if they are in control. Individual rights in general are to give way to the needs of communities as determined by the governing body. Moreover, people should be rounded up off the land and packed into human settlements, or islands of human habitation, close to employment centers and transportation. Another program, called the Wildlands Project spells out how most of the land is to be set aside for non-humans.

U.N. Agenda 21 cites the affluence of Americans as being a major problem which needs to be corrected. It calls for lowering the standard of living for Americans so that the people in poorer countries will have more, a redistribution of wealth. Although people around the world aspire to achieve the levels of prosperity we have in our country, and will risk their lives to get here, Americans are cast in a very negative light and need to be taken down to a condition closer to average in the world. Only then, they say, will there be social justice which is a cornerstone of the U.N. Agenda 21 plan

The Observer preaches for the Club of Rome? Good to hear.

ruby said:

The Observer preaches for the Club of Rome? Good to hear.

do you ever have anything intelligent to add ruby

The_observer said:

ruby said:

The Observer preaches for the Club of Rome? Good to hear.

do you ever have anything intelligent to add ruby

OooOoOOoooo…

well, that certainly wins the Humerus Post of the Year award. and it’s still early.

ChrispenEvan said:

well, that certainly wins the Humerus Post of the Year award. and it’s still early.

I’m pretty sure TO can outdo himself on a regular basis there.

ChrispenEvan said:

well, that certainly wins the Humerus Post of the Year award. and it’s still early.

Meh, it’s ‘armless.

Divine Angel said:

ChrispenEvan said:

well, that certainly wins the Humerus Post of the Year award. and it’s still early.

Meh, it’s ‘armless.

Poor fella. Missing part of his brain and now he’s missing limbs. We should take it easy on him.

Postpocelipse said:

Divine Angel said:

ChrispenEvan said:

well, that certainly wins the Humerus Post of the Year award. and it’s still early.

Meh, it’s ‘armless.

Poor fella. Missing part of his brain and now he’s missing limbs. We should take it easy on him.

I say we should give him the elbow.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Postpocelipse said:

Divine Angel said:

Meh, it’s ‘armless.

Poor fella. Missing part of his brain and now he’s missing limbs. We should take it easy on him.

I say we should give him the elbow.

Come on, all peoples should be allowed tibia part of this forum.

ruby said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Postpocelipse said:

Poor fella. Missing part of his brain and now he’s missing limbs. We should take it easy on him.

I say we should give him the elbow.

Come on, all peoples should be allowed tibia part of this forum.

Dear oh dear.

ruby said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Postpocelipse said:

Poor fella. Missing part of his brain and now he’s missing limbs. We should take it easy on him.

I say we should give him the elbow.

Come on, all peoples should be allowed tibia part of this forum.

OK, I’ll give it a wrist then.

ignoring the childish & vindictive replies, I wonder which part of what I wrote has you enviro facists all wound up?

Do you think agenda 21 doesn’t exist?

Perhaps you want to deny the people behind it are all anti capitalist socialists who aim to reduce freedom of the individual
using a “Communitarian” system of governance?

“Agenda 21”: https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf

Think about the UN’s Climate fund, with the aim of demanding a 100 Billion $ a year from the industrialised countries,
put into the hands of an anti capitalist socialist, to distribute to the poorer nations on the false premise of fighting climate change.

Back at home these anti freedom laws are pushed onto local council residents implemented by councils pressured by environ mental scum.

They don’t like private ownership of land, but need the money it generates. So, they sell blocks of land, & the various bodies dictate what the owner can & can’t do with their land.

One cannot even cut back moderately tall trees (bushes) an owner has decided to pay for & plant, on their own land without paid permission by a local council. And if an owner dare prune back said trees they face fines of thousands of $.

Oh no, no environmentalism, agenda 21 influence there.

The_observer said:

ignoring the childish & vindictive replies, I wonder which part of what I wrote has you enviro facists all wound up?

Vindictive: adj having or showing a strong or unreasoning desire for revenge.

How are any here vindictive. You’ve stated yourself you do this to annoy the people here with agendas. We take that with good humor and give as good as we get. You would subsequently be the vindictive one returning incessantly to reiterate your tirelessly incompetent conclusions and demonstrate your flawed character and coping skills.

And what is wrong with being childish? Children are very forgiving and you need that!

Postpocelipse said:

The_observer said:

ignoring the childish & vindictive replies, I wonder which part of what I wrote has you enviro facists all wound up?

Vindictive: adj having or showing a strong or unreasoning desire for revenge.

How are any here vindictive. You’ve stated yourself you do this to annoy the people here with agendas. We take that with good humor and give as good as we get. You would subsequently be the vindictive one returning incessantly to reiterate your tirelessly incompetent conclusions and demonstrate your flawed character and coping skills.

And what is wrong with being childish? Children are very forgiving and you need that!

Which enviro activist groups are you active in dear?

The_observer said:

Postpocelipse said:

The_observer said:

ignoring the childish & vindictive replies, I wonder which part of what I wrote has you enviro facists all wound up?

Vindictive: adj having or showing a strong or unreasoning desire for revenge.

How are any here vindictive. You’ve stated yourself you do this to annoy the people here with agendas. We take that with good humor and give as good as we get. You would subsequently be the vindictive one returning incessantly to reiterate your tirelessly incompetent conclusions and demonstrate your flawed character and coping skills.

And what is wrong with being childish? Children are very forgiving and you need that!

Which enviro activist groups are you active in dear?

Methinks the one with an agenda is t_o himself.

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

Postpocelipse said:

Vindictive: adj having or showing a strong or unreasoning desire for revenge.

How are any here vindictive. You’ve stated yourself you do this to annoy the people here with agendas. We take that with good humor and give as good as we get. You would subsequently be the vindictive one returning incessantly to reiterate your tirelessly incompetent conclusions and demonstrate your flawed character and coping skills.

And what is wrong with being childish? Children are very forgiving and you need that!

Which enviro activist groups are you active in dear?

Methinks the one with an agenda is t_o himself.

Its a well known fact that environmentalism has become a religion for many well off westerners. Its a control thing for many & full of bullshit like all religions

practitioners are very defensive of their enviro religion & damning of non extremist, non fundamentalist

The_observer said:

Its a well known fact that raging against environmentalism in the Murdoch Press has become a religion for many well off westerners. Its a control thing for many & full of bullshit like all religions.

There, I fixed it for you.

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

you’ve stereotyped 1 religion.

I know of a couple of dope smoking kiddy fiddlers.

ergo, all dope smokers are kiddy fiddlers using your logic

I stereotyped 1 religion?

they all follow similar behaviors.

in other words they all have abused someones rights in some manner

and its people committing these crimes

those that want to place themselves above others

corruption of power

buddhism’s a bitch, hey…

ok, not all religions

The problem with the Observers disjointed view of the world, is religion is based on faith, whereas knowledge the environment is based on fact.

I’m going where lower prices are just the beginning and YOU CAN’T STOP ME.

The_observer said:

Postpocelipse said:

The_observer said:

ignoring the childish & vindictive replies, I wonder which part of what I wrote has you enviro facists all wound up?

Vindictive: adj having or showing a strong or unreasoning desire for revenge.

How are any here vindictive. You’ve stated yourself you do this to annoy the people here with agendas. We take that with good humor and give as good as we get. You would subsequently be the vindictive one returning incessantly to reiterate your tirelessly incompetent conclusions and demonstrate your flawed character and coping skills.

And what is wrong with being childish? Children are very forgiving and you need that!

Which enviro activist groups are you active in dear?

See there you go again making wild assumptions without any basis other than I disagree with you. I’ve never belonged to any group, activist or otherwise. Myself and most here are genuinely open minded. Where you go wrong is assuming the ‘facts’ you supply are facts. If they were you would find greater discussion but you prefer to supply opinions. The references you provide as empirical proof are flawed and had you any capacity to assess them you would have discovered this yourself rather than waving them at us as if someone other than yourself is displaying ignorance.

Next please……..

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m going where lower prices are just the beginning and YOU CAN’T STOP ME.

I’ve been hanging around the lowest prices for years