Date: 7/01/2016 13:14:31
From: Teleost
ID: 827146
Subject: Lemmium

I usually distance myself from Change.org petitions. This one however makes perfect sense. I can not think of a more appropriate name for a newly discovered heavy metal.

Help make ‘Lemmium’ the new chemical name for Heavy Metal in the Periodic Table
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Date: 7/01/2016 14:24:54
From: Woodie
ID: 827162
Subject: re: Lemmium

Teleost said:

Help make ‘Lemmium’ the new chemical name for Heavy Metal in the Periodic Table

Would a slice of it go well in my G & T?

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Date: 7/01/2016 14:51:46
From: furious
ID: 827172
Subject: re: Lemmium

So every time a “heavy metal” musician dies a new element should be named after them?

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Date: 7/01/2016 16:26:59
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 827200
Subject: re: Lemmium

Teleost said:


I usually distance myself from Change.org petitions. This one however makes perfect sense. I can not think of a more appropriate name for a newly discovered heavy metal.

Help make ‘Lemmium’ the new chemical name for Heavy Metal in the Periodic Table
LOL, let me know if the petition is accepted.
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Date: 7/01/2016 16:29:31
From: Neophyte
ID: 827202
Subject: re: Lemmium

furious said:

  • This one however makes perfect sense.

So every time a “heavy metal” musician dies a new element should be named after them?

It’s either that or Zarkovium.

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Date: 7/01/2016 17:39:02
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 827222
Subject: re: Lemmium

furious said:

  • This one however makes perfect sense.

So every time a “heavy metal” musician dies a new element should be named after them?

No just Lemmy. No one else is as iconic.

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Date: 7/01/2016 17:39:54
From: furious
ID: 827223
Subject: re: Lemmium

Yeah, good one…

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Date: 7/01/2016 17:41:37
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 827224
Subject: re: Lemmium

furious said:

  • No just Lemmy. No one else is as iconic.

Yeah, good one…

if you say so.

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Date: 7/01/2016 17:42:29
From: furious
ID: 827226
Subject: re: Lemmium

Oh, but I do…

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Date: 7/01/2016 17:47:17
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 827228
Subject: re: Lemmium

furious said:

  • if you say so.

Oh, but I do…

Thank you beloved leader. I see how wrong I was for having my own opinion. If I cannot make up for it by being your foot stool at least execute me so I no longer bring shame on your nation……….

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Date: 7/01/2016 17:48:04
From: dv
ID: 827229
Subject: re: Lemmium

Postpocelipse said:


furious said:
  • This one however makes perfect sense.

So every time a “heavy metal” musician dies a new element should be named after them?

No just Lemmy. No one else is as iconic.

Seems a bold claim.

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Date: 7/01/2016 17:49:10
From: roughbarked
ID: 827231
Subject: re: Lemmium

dv said:


Postpocelipse said:

furious said:
  • This one however makes perfect sense.

So every time a “heavy metal” musician dies a new element should be named after them?

No just Lemmy. No one else is as iconic.

Seems a bold claim.

Lemmy who?

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Date: 7/01/2016 17:49:58
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 827232
Subject: re: Lemmium

dv said:


Postpocelipse said:

furious said:
  • This one however makes perfect sense.

So every time a “heavy metal” musician dies a new element should be named after them?

No just Lemmy. No one else is as iconic.

Seems a bold claim.

You don’t know any hardcore rock and rollers do you? Lemmy is the boss to most of us.

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Date: 7/01/2016 17:50:22
From: furious
ID: 827233
Subject: re: Lemmium

You’re allowed to have an opinion, just as I am allowed to disagree with it…

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Date: 7/01/2016 17:50:37
From: Bubblecar
ID: 827234
Subject: re: Lemmium

>International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry recommend that one of the four new discovered Heavy Metals in the Periodic table is named Lemmium.

I wonder if Lemmy would have had any idea what they’re talking about.

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Date: 7/01/2016 17:51:06
From: furious
ID: 827236
Subject: re: Lemmium

Who is this “us” of which you speak?

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Date: 7/01/2016 17:53:25
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 827238
Subject: re: Lemmium

furious said:

  • I see how wrong I was for having my own opinion

You’re allowed to have an opinion, just as I am allowed to disagree with it…

Look. They named the 2 different types of electric current after an Aussie band so I think Lemmy is owed his metal.

Case closed next petition………

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Date: 7/01/2016 17:54:01
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 827239
Subject: re: Lemmium

Bubblecar said:


>International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry recommend that one of the four new discovered Heavy Metals in the Periodic table is named Lemmium.

I wonder if Lemmy would have had any idea what they’re talking about.

He wasn’t ignorant.

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Date: 7/01/2016 17:57:27
From: dv
ID: 827240
Subject: re: Lemmium

In any case, I’d prefer that chemical elements are named after chemists, or failing that, physicists.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:00:14
From: Bubblecar
ID: 827241
Subject: re: Lemmium

And it’s not really fair on all the other popular music genres that don’t have matching terms in the Table.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:01:42
From: dv
ID: 827243
Subject: re: Lemmium

And all the good metal is Scandinavian.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:01:52
From: furious
ID: 827244
Subject: re: Lemmium
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Date: 7/01/2016 18:03:10
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 827246
Subject: re: Lemmium

dv said:


In any case, I’d prefer that chemical elements are named after chemists, or failing that, physicists.

It will be interesting to see the result of this petition.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:03:17
From: stumpy_seahorse
ID: 827248
Subject: re: Lemmium

dv said:


And all the good metal is Scandinavian wood.

</wookie<br/>

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:03:51
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 827249
Subject: re: Lemmium

dv said:


And all the good metal is Scandinavian.

Motorhead were rock and roll.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:04:08
From: furious
ID: 827250
Subject: re: Lemmium

Maybe they should name an exoplanet or asteroid or other such thing after just about everyone, there is enough to go around…

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:05:03
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 827253
Subject: re: Lemmium

Postpocelipse said:


dv said:

And all the good metal is Scandinavian.

Motorhead were rock and roll.

They influenced the beginning of the metal scene along with Sabbath but have always pretty well been a punk rock band.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:07:44
From: Bubblecar
ID: 827256
Subject: re: Lemmium

Postpocelipse said:


Postpocelipse said:

dv said:

And all the good metal is Scandinavian.

Motorhead were rock and roll.

They influenced the beginning of the metal scene along with Sabbath but have always pretty well been a punk rock band.

So why the petition? These are newly discovered heavy metals, not newly discovered punk rocks.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:08:14
From: furious
ID: 827258
Subject: re: Lemmium

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:08:41
From: dv
ID: 827260
Subject: re: Lemmium

Postpocelipse said:


dv said:

And all the good metal is Scandinavian.

Motorhead were rock and roll.

They were metal

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:10:38
From: dv
ID: 827262
Subject: re: Lemmium

furious said:


Maybe they should name an exoplanet or asteroid or other such thing after just about everyone, there is enough to go around…

Not quite but it is quite amazing how the exoplanets have kicked along. There are 2000 known now.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:11:11
From: Bubblecar
ID: 827263
Subject: re: Lemmium

dv said:


Postpocelipse said:

dv said:

And all the good metal is Scandinavian.

Motorhead were rock and roll.

They were metal

Funnily enough, Lemmy begged to differ:

The band is often considered a precursor to, or one of the earliest members of, the New Wave of British Heavy Metal, which re-energised heavy metal in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Despite this, Lemmy always dubbed their music as simply “rock and roll”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mot%C3%B6rhead

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:12:15
From: dv
ID: 827264
Subject: re: Lemmium

“Motorhead: New Wave of British Heavy Metal”

Cheers

furious said:



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Date: 7/01/2016 18:12:38
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 827265
Subject: re: Lemmium

Bubblecar said:


Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Motorhead were rock and roll.

They influenced the beginning of the metal scene along with Sabbath but have always pretty well been a punk rock band.

So why the petition? These are newly discovered heavy metals, not newly discovered punk rocks.

Put it this way. Would you prefer the ‘father’ of metal get the honor or the bastard son of it? The former would result in a metal called Osbournium and I KNOW nobody wants that. Tempting serious accidents that is……

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:12:57
From: furious
ID: 827267
Subject: re: Lemmium

Then, like I suggested, name an asteroid, or “space” rock, after him…

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:13:37
From: Bubblecar
ID: 827268
Subject: re: Lemmium

Anyway they can call it what they like, but personally I think a jocular reference like this tends to lower the tone.

Same with the jokey specific names etc sometimes given to animals.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:13:52
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 827269
Subject: re: Lemmium

dv said:


Postpocelipse said:

dv said:

And all the good metal is Scandinavian.

Motorhead were rock and roll.

They were metal

In attitude sure but not in music.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:13:52
From: furious
ID: 827270
Subject: re: Lemmium

Or maybe Iommium? it even looks right…

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:14:36
From: furious
ID: 827271
Subject: re: Lemmium

You’ve got that the wrong way around…

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:16:10
From: dv
ID: 827273
Subject: re: Lemmium

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Postpocelipse said:

Motorhead were rock and roll.

They were metal

Funnily enough, Lemmy begged to differ:

The band is often considered a precursor to, or one of the earliest members of, the New Wave of British Heavy Metal, which re-energised heavy metal in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Despite this, Lemmy always dubbed their music as simply “rock and roll”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mot%C3%B6rhead

Degas didn’t call himself an Impressionist.

Didn’t much matter that he was wrong: he was a painter, not an art historian.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:16:21
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 827274
Subject: re: Lemmium

furious said:

  • In attitude sure but not in music.

You’ve got that the wrong way around…

Yeah nah…….

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:17:03
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 827275
Subject: re: Lemmium

furious said:

  • In attitude sure but not in music.

You’ve got that the wrong way around…

Lemmy called his music R&R. I’ll agree with him.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:17:05
From: furious
ID: 827276
Subject: re: Lemmium

Punk is the attitude but the music is decidedly metal…

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:17:08
From: dv
ID: 827277
Subject: re: Lemmium

Bubblecar said:


Anyway they can call it what they like, but personally I think a jocular reference like this tends to lower the tone.

Same with the jokey specific names etc sometimes given to animals.

I am a bit more relaxed about animals. There are quite literally millions of species of animals, plenty to “waste” on funny names, but only 118 elements.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:17:20
From: Bubblecar
ID: 827278
Subject: re: Lemmium

This thread’s starting to remind me of that Bad News Tour comedy:

“I’m not getting back in the van until Alan says we’re Heavy Metal”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_News_(band)

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:17:52
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 827279
Subject: re: Lemmium

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

They were metal

Funnily enough, Lemmy begged to differ:

The band is often considered a precursor to, or one of the earliest members of, the New Wave of British Heavy Metal, which re-energised heavy metal in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Despite this, Lemmy always dubbed their music as simply “rock and roll”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mot%C3%B6rhead

Degas didn’t call himself an Impressionist.

Didn’t much matter that he was wrong: he was a painter, not an art historian.

Motorhead are NOT metal.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:18:36
From: furious
ID: 827280
Subject: re: Lemmium

Then why are you banging on about Lemmy and a heavy metal element?

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:18:39
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 827281
Subject: re: Lemmium

furious said:

  • Yeah nah…….

Punk is the attitude but the music is decidedly metal…

So you play?. There is nothing metal-like about motorhead riffs. Standard high energy R&R…….

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:20:28
From: Bubblecar
ID: 827282
Subject: re: Lemmium

“Of course we’re Heavy Metal but we’re not JUST Heavy Metal…”

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:20:55
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 827283
Subject: re: Lemmium

furious said:

  • Motorhead are NOT metal.

Then why are you banging on about Lemmy and a heavy metal element?

I didn’t start the thread. I like the idea. I’ve spent most of my time here stating that Motorhead played R&R. It is enough that Lemmy contributed what he did to the development of a genre.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:21:22
From: stumpy_seahorse
ID: 827284
Subject: re: Lemmium

Postpocelipse said:


dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Funnily enough, Lemmy begged to differ:

The band is often considered a precursor to, or one of the earliest members of, the New Wave of British Heavy Metal, which re-energised heavy metal in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Despite this, Lemmy always dubbed their music as simply “rock and roll”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mot%C3%B6rhead

Degas didn’t call himself an Impressionist.

Didn’t much matter that he was wrong: he was a painter, not an art historian.

Motorhead are NOT metal.

Origin London, England
Genres

Heavy metal hard rock speed metal rock and roll

Years active 1975–2015
Labels

Sanctuary SPV Epic GWR Bronze

Associated acts

Hawkwind The Head Cat Girlschool Headgirl Pink Fairies

Website imotorhead.com
Past members Ian “Lemmy” Kilmister
Larry Wallis
Lucas Fox
Phil “Philthy Animal” Taylor
“Fast” Eddie Clarke
Brian “Robbo” Robertson
Michael “Würzel” Burston
Pete Gill
Phil “Wizzö” Campbell
Mikkey Dee

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:21:59
From: furious
ID: 827285
Subject: re: Lemmium

Yeah, well, they should still call it Iommium before they call it Lemmium…

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:24:00
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 827287
Subject: re: Lemmium

furious said:

  • I didn’t start the thread. I like the idea. I’ve spent most of my time here stating that Motorhead played R&R. It is enough that Lemmy contributed what he did to the development of a genre.

Yeah, well, they should still call it Iommium before they call it Lemmium…

I don’t know that Tony would agree. Ozzy would probably object.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:25:22
From: furious
ID: 827288
Subject: re: Lemmium

I don’t know if Lemmy would agree either and Ozzy wouldn’t know what was going on…

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:28:09
From: buffy
ID: 827290
Subject: re: Lemmium

I think this thread has been going long enough for me to say….I have no idea what any of the references are about, or who this person is.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:29:55
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 827291
Subject: re: Lemmium

furious said:

  • I don’t know that Tony would agree. Ozzy would probably object.

I don’t know if Lemmy would agree either and Ozzy wouldn’t know what was going on…

Sharon would tell him and then he would stumble out to the cameras doing his best “upset Neil” and saying “Hey what’s this I hear about naming a metal after Tony??”

Lemmy would probably say “It’s a really nice thought from all my fans but I’ve never had anything to do with science”.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:30:05
From: Bubblecar
ID: 827292
Subject: re: Lemmium

buffy said:

I think this thread has been going long enough for me to say….I have no idea what any of the references are about, or who this person is.

I saw him on The Young Ones, years ago. A singer in a rock band that wasn’t really a rock band because it was Impressionist Metal or suchlike.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:31:42
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 827293
Subject: re: Lemmium

Bubblecar said:


buffy said:

I think this thread has been going long enough for me to say….I have no idea what any of the references are about, or who this person is.

I saw him on The Young Ones, years ago. A singer in a rock band that wasn’t really a rock band because it was Impressionist Metal or suchlike.

Impressionist metal? That’s a new one. Motorhead were pretty well the British version of acid rock.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:35:30
From: dv
ID: 827296
Subject: re: Lemmium

To me, Rock and Roll refers to music with a Rock and Roll beat: Chuck Berry’s Maybellene, The Yardbirds’ Heart Full of Soul, Don McLean’s American Pie. It is an assymetrical beat, with the stronger beat shortly following the weaker.

By the mid seventies Rock and Roll was seriously on the way out and was being replaced by the simpler “Rock” beat. Compare Slade’s Cum On Feel the Noize with that of Quiet Riot. The former is rock and roll, the latter is rock.

Motorhead to my knowledge were never rock and roll.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:35:47
From: dv
ID: 827297
Subject: re: Lemmium

Bubblecar said:


This thread’s starting to remind me of that Bad News Tour comedy:

“I’m not getting back in the van until Alan says we’re Heavy Metal”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_News_(band)

nice ref

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:36:00
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 827298
Subject: re: Lemmium

De gustibus non est disputandum

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:36:30
From: dv
ID: 827299
Subject: re: Lemmium

Postpocelipse said:


dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Funnily enough, Lemmy begged to differ:

The band is often considered a precursor to, or one of the earliest members of, the New Wave of British Heavy Metal, which re-energised heavy metal in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Despite this, Lemmy always dubbed their music as simply “rock and roll”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mot%C3%B6rhead

Degas didn’t call himself an Impressionist.

Didn’t much matter that he was wrong: he was a painter, not an art historian.

Motorhead are NOT metal.

Sure they were

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:36:39
From: roughbarked
ID: 827300
Subject: re: Lemmium

furious said:



The first death metal album was a solo album by John Entwhistle.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:36:45
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 827301
Subject: re: Lemmium

Bubblecar said:


buffy said:

I think this thread has been going long enough for me to say….I have no idea what any of the references are about, or who this person is.

I saw him on The Young Ones, years ago. A singer in a rock band that wasn’t really a rock band because it was Impressionist Metal or suchlike.

Ace of Spades is an all time classic R&R number. Not metal at all. Motorhead riffs use alternate picking. Metal is based round all down picking. Technical things distinguish music-genres for the musicians involved, not what people think when they hear a sound they are unfamiliar with.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:36:52
From: Bubblecar
ID: 827302
Subject: re: Lemmium

dv said:


Degas didn’t call himself an Impressionist.

Didn’t much matter that he was wrong: he was a painter, not an art historian.

But he wasn’t actually “wrong”. It’s up to artists to decide whether or not their works are part of this or that movement. Assigning works to this or that movement without the artist’s agreement is a matter of opinion and academic convention, not “fact”. For example, a work may exhibit various visual characteristics associated with a particular movement, but the artist may have been very unsympathetic to the theoretical aims of that movement.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:36:59
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 827303
Subject: re: Lemmium

dv said:


To me, Rock and Roll refers to music with a Rock and Roll beat: Chuck Berry’s Maybellene, The Yardbirds’ Heart Full of Soul, Don McLean’s American Pie. It is an assymetrical beat, with the stronger beat shortly following the weaker.

By the mid seventies Rock and Roll was seriously on the way out and was being replaced by the simpler “Rock” beat. Compare Slade’s Cum On Feel the Noize with that of Quiet Riot. The former is rock and roll, the latter is rock.

Motorhead to my knowledge were never rock and roll.

Surely you mean mid sixties.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:38:36
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 827306
Subject: re: Lemmium

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Degas didn’t call himself an Impressionist.

Didn’t much matter that he was wrong: he was a painter, not an art historian.

But he wasn’t actually “wrong”. It’s up to artists to decide whether or not their works are part of this or that movement. Assigning works to this or that movement without the artist’s agreement is a matter of opinion and academic convention, not “fact”. For example, a work may exhibit various visual characteristics associated with a particular movement, but the artist may have been very unsympathetic to the theoretical aims of that movement.

So if Lemmy says he played R&R?

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:39:06
From: furious
ID: 827307
Subject: re: Lemmium

“To the station!”

“Music”

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:40:10
From: roughbarked
ID: 827309
Subject: re: Lemmium

dv said:


Postpocelipse said:

dv said:

Degas didn’t call himself an Impressionist.

Didn’t much matter that he was wrong: he was a painter, not an art historian.

Motorhead are NOT metal.

Sure they were

Nah. Just hard rock. If you were going to say motorhead were more metal than deep purple then you don’t know much about the era and the various genres and timelines.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:40:13
From: dv
ID: 827310
Subject: re: Lemmium

Postpocelipse said:

Ace of Spades is an all time classic R&R number. Not metal at all

Ace of Spades is the type specimen of the Heavy Metal track. It does not have a rock and roll beat.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:40:26
From: Bubblecar
ID: 827313
Subject: re: Lemmium

Postpocelipse said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Degas didn’t call himself an Impressionist.

Didn’t much matter that he was wrong: he was a painter, not an art historian.

But he wasn’t actually “wrong”. It’s up to artists to decide whether or not their works are part of this or that movement. Assigning works to this or that movement without the artist’s agreement is a matter of opinion and academic convention, not “fact”. For example, a work may exhibit various visual characteristics associated with a particular movement, but the artist may have been very unsympathetic to the theoretical aims of that movement.

So if Lemmy says he played R&R?

Nothing wrong with humouring him, especially since he’s dead.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:41:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 827314
Subject: re: Lemmium

dv said:


To me, Rock and Roll refers to music with a Rock and Roll beat: Chuck Berry’s Maybellene, The Yardbirds’ Heart Full of Soul, Don McLean’s American Pie. It is an assymetrical beat, with the stronger beat shortly following the weaker.

By the mid seventies Rock and Roll was seriously on the way out and was being replaced by the simpler “Rock” beat. Compare Slade’s Cum On Feel the Noize with that of Quiet Riot. The former is rock and roll, the latter is rock.

Motorhead to my knowledge were never rock and roll.


Yardbirds were Rhythm&Blues

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:41:19
From: dv
ID: 827317
Subject: re: Lemmium

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Degas didn’t call himself an Impressionist.

Didn’t much matter that he was wrong: he was a painter, not an art historian.

But he wasn’t actually “wrong”. It’s up to artists to decide whether or not their works are part of this or that movement. Assigning works to this or that movement without the artist’s agreement is a matter of opinion and academic convention, not “fact”. For example, a work may exhibit various visual characteristics associated with a particular movement, but the artist may have been very unsympathetic to the theoretical aims of that movement.

Well I don’t agree. I think historians need to classify works and artists as objectively as possible.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:42:31
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 827321
Subject: re: Lemmium

dv said:


Postpocelipse said:

Ace of Spades is an all time classic R&R number. Not metal at all

Ace of Spades is the type specimen of the Heavy Metal track. It does not have a rock and roll beat.

Have you heard it slowed down? I know the difference between metal riffs and everything else. I can play Ace of Spades and it is just a standard 4/4 R&R beat sped up.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:43:09
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 827322
Subject: re: Lemmium

roughbarked said:


dv said:

To me, Rock and Roll refers to music with a Rock and Roll beat: Chuck Berry’s Maybellene, The Yardbirds’ Heart Full of Soul, Don McLean’s American Pie. It is an assymetrical beat, with the stronger beat shortly following the weaker.

By the mid seventies Rock and Roll was seriously on the way out and was being replaced by the simpler “Rock” beat. Compare Slade’s Cum On Feel the Noize with that of Quiet Riot. The former is rock and roll, the latter is rock.

Motorhead to my knowledge were never rock and roll.


Yardbirds were Rhythm&Blues

Led Zep have been called metal but they sure weren’t.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:47:48
From: Bubblecar
ID: 827325
Subject: re: Lemmium

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Degas didn’t call himself an Impressionist.

Didn’t much matter that he was wrong: he was a painter, not an art historian.

But he wasn’t actually “wrong”. It’s up to artists to decide whether or not their works are part of this or that movement. Assigning works to this or that movement without the artist’s agreement is a matter of opinion and academic convention, not “fact”. For example, a work may exhibit various visual characteristics associated with a particular movement, but the artist may have been very unsympathetic to the theoretical aims of that movement.

Well I don’t agree. I think historians need to classify works and artists as objectively as possible.

The point is there’s nothing very “objective” about art movements. They’re artistic categories bulging with subjective intentions and assumptions. It’s the role of art historians to record what the artists themselves were meaning and intending with their work.

What if I started an art movement and claimed my work belonged to that movement, and other artists joined in, but then decided I hated that movement and assigned my work to a movement with a completely different name? Since both movements are entirely my invention, the art historians could only be accurate by recording that I worked within a movement I’d created, then changed to a different movement.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:49:02
From: dv
ID: 827327
Subject: re: Lemmium

roughbarked said:


dv said:

To me, Rock and Roll refers to music with a Rock and Roll beat: Chuck Berry’s Maybellene, The Yardbirds’ Heart Full of Soul, Don McLean’s American Pie. It is an assymetrical beat, with the stronger beat shortly following the weaker.

By the mid seventies Rock and Roll was seriously on the way out and was being replaced by the simpler “Rock” beat. Compare Slade’s Cum On Feel the Noize with that of Quiet Riot. The former is rock and roll, the latter is rock.

Motorhead to my knowledge were never rock and roll.


Yardbirds were Rhythm&Blues

They had quite a range of styles but I am saying HFOS was a rock and roll song.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:52:22
From: Bubblecar
ID: 827329
Subject: re: Lemmium

dv said:


They had quite a range of styles but I am saying HFOS was a rock and roll song.

But any band is free to play whatever music they like and say “Well, we call it rock and roll. Others may disagree, but it’s our version of rock and roll”.

These aren’t scientific categories.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:53:29
From: stumpy_seahorse
ID: 827332
Subject: re: Lemmium

Difference in sound
Rock or may be plain hard rock utilizes the classic overdrive sound created when the tubes on an amplifier or specific part on it like the drive knob have been pushed to the limit. This creates a long sustained sound with a twang and the distortion is light. As for metal rock the distortion is strong as the overdrive is sustained longer creating a deeper, heavier sound. With plain hard rock a classic drum set with no double bass pedal is used. Double bass pedal is when you have got two pedals or just one with two separate mallets attached to a double chained rod. Heavy metal utilizes plenty of these. Some early metal rock artists include Led Zeppelin, deep purple and Black Sabbath and all these got huge fan followings.

Summary:
1. Rock is the main music genre while metal is a sub genre of rock.
2. Rock sound’s overdrive has a lighter distortion than metal rock which has strong distortion.
3. Metal rock has a deeper, heavier sound than plain rock or simply rock sound.
4. Rock uses classic drum set without double bass pedal while metal uses double bass pedal for the drum set.

Read more: Difference Between Rock and Metal | Difference Between | Rock vs Metal http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-rock-and-metal/#ixzz3wXj8vceL

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:53:32
From: roughbarked
ID: 827333
Subject: re: Lemmium

Postpocelipse said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

To me, Rock and Roll refers to music with a Rock and Roll beat: Chuck Berry’s Maybellene, The Yardbirds’ Heart Full of Soul, Don McLean’s American Pie. It is an assymetrical beat, with the stronger beat shortly following the weaker.

By the mid seventies Rock and Roll was seriously on the way out and was being replaced by the simpler “Rock” beat. Compare Slade’s Cum On Feel the Noize with that of Quiet Riot. The former is rock and roll, the latter is rock.

Motorhead to my knowledge were never rock and roll.


Yardbirds were Rhythm&Blues

Led Zep have been called metal but they sure weren’t.

Born out of Rhythm and Blues. They covered a lot of old blues songs.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:54:47
From: dv
ID: 827334
Subject: re: Lemmium

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Bubblecar said:

But he wasn’t actually “wrong”. It’s up to artists to decide whether or not their works are part of this or that movement. Assigning works to this or that movement without the artist’s agreement is a matter of opinion and academic convention, not “fact”. For example, a work may exhibit various visual characteristics associated with a particular movement, but the artist may have been very unsympathetic to the theoretical aims of that movement.

Well I don’t agree. I think historians need to classify works and artists as objectively as possible.

The point is there’s nothing very “objective” about art movements. They’re artistic categories bulging with subjective intentions and assumptions. It’s the role of art historians to record what the artists themselves were meaning and intending with their work.

What if I started an art movement and claimed my work belonged to that movement, and other artists joined in, but then decided I hated that movement and assigned my work to a movement with a completely different name? Since both movements are entirely my invention, the art historians could only be accurate by recording that I worked within a movement I’d created, then changed to a different movement.

I think the astute art historian can do a bit better than that.

In cases where little is recorded, they have no choice but to classify the artworks on its own form. They don’t know whether the bloke who did one end of the Parthenon frieze considered himself to be in a different school from the bloke who did the other end.

I mean I am pretty sure that real life art historians do consider Degas’ work to be Impressionist regardless of his identification.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:56:57
From: dv
ID: 827336
Subject: re: Lemmium

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

They had quite a range of styles but I am saying HFOS was a rock and roll song.

But any band is free to play whatever music they like and say “Well, we call it rock and roll. Others may disagree, but it’s our version of rock and roll”.

These aren’t scientific categories.

Very well then.

Interestingly one of the least rock and roll songs ever recorded was called We Built This City On Rock And Roll.

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Date: 7/01/2016 18:58:10
From: Bubblecar
ID: 827337
Subject: re: Lemmium

>In cases where little is recorded, they have no choice but to classify the artworks on its own form.

Correct, which then becomes a matter of academic convention, not “fact”.

>I mean I am pretty sure that real life art historians do consider Degas’ work to be Impressionist regardless of his identification.

They regard him as one of the founders of a movement called Impressionism by most artists identified with it, but they always point out that he himself rejected the term.

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Date: 7/01/2016 19:02:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 827341
Subject: re: Lemmium

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

They had quite a range of styles but I am saying HFOS was a rock and roll song.

But any band is free to play whatever music they like and say “Well, we call it rock and roll. Others may disagree, but it’s our version of rock and roll”.

These aren’t scientific categories.

Very well then.

Interestingly one of the least rock and roll songs ever recorded was called We Built This City On Rock And Roll.

It wasn’t the best work done by Jefferson Airplane.

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Date: 7/01/2016 19:20:42
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 827349
Subject: re: Lemmium

Bubblecar said:


>In cases where little is recorded, they have no choice but to classify the artworks on its own form.

Correct, which then becomes a matter of academic convention, not “fact”.

>I mean I am pretty sure that real life art historians do consider Degas’ work to be Impressionist regardless of his identification.

They regard him as one of the founders of a movement called Impressionism by most artists identified with it, but they always point out that he himself rejected the term.

Whichever genre one feels they belong to it is largely to do with fundamental attitude. The attitude Lemmy personified was the ‘sex, drugs, R&R one. This is distinctly different to the metal attitude which takes itself and everything else very seriously.

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Date: 8/01/2016 00:02:14
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 827489
Subject: re: Lemmium

roughbarked said:


dv said:

Postpocelipse said:

No just Lemmy. No one else is as iconic.

Seems a bold claim.

Lemmy who?

Lemmy deletedisthread

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Date: 8/01/2016 01:01:30
From: wookiemeister
ID: 827506
Subject: re: Lemmium

Wm

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Date: 12/01/2016 12:25:25
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 829896
Subject: re: Lemmium

My vote would be;

Lemmium- Lemmy

Octarine- Terry Pratchett

Ziggium- Bowie

Nimoynium- Leonard Nimoy

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Date: 12/01/2016 12:44:36
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 829924
Subject: re: Lemmium

Postpocelipse said:


My vote would be;

Lemmium- Lemmy

Octarine- Terry Pratchett

Ziggium- Bowie

Nimoynium- Leonard Nimoy

Since these are synthetic elements it is probably fitting they are named after actors/artists.

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Date: 12/01/2016 12:48:50
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 829929
Subject: re: Lemmium

Apparently Lemmy introduced every Motorhead gig with “We are Motorhead and we play Rock and Roll”.

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