I usually distance myself from Change.org petitions. This one however makes perfect sense. I can not think of a more appropriate name for a newly discovered heavy metal.
Help make ‘Lemmium’ the new chemical name for Heavy Metal in the Periodic TableI usually distance myself from Change.org petitions. This one however makes perfect sense. I can not think of a more appropriate name for a newly discovered heavy metal.
Help make ‘Lemmium’ the new chemical name for Heavy Metal in the Periodic TableTeleost said:
Help make ‘Lemmium’ the new chemical name for Heavy Metal in the Periodic Table
Would a slice of it go well in my G & T?
So every time a “heavy metal” musician dies a new element should be named after them?
Teleost said:
LOL, let me know if the petition is accepted.
I usually distance myself from Change.org petitions. This one however makes perfect sense. I can not think of a more appropriate name for a newly discovered heavy metal. Help make ‘Lemmium’ the new chemical name for Heavy Metal in the Periodic Table
furious said:
- This one however makes perfect sense.
So every time a “heavy metal” musician dies a new element should be named after them?
It’s either that or Zarkovium.
furious said:
- This one however makes perfect sense.
So every time a “heavy metal” musician dies a new element should be named after them?
No just Lemmy. No one else is as iconic.
Yeah, good one…
furious said:
- No just Lemmy. No one else is as iconic.
Yeah, good one…
if you say so.
Oh, but I do…
furious said:
- if you say so.
Oh, but I do…
Thank you beloved leader. I see how wrong I was for having my own opinion. If I cannot make up for it by being your foot stool at least execute me so I no longer bring shame on your nation……….
Postpocelipse said:
furious said:
- This one however makes perfect sense.
So every time a “heavy metal” musician dies a new element should be named after them?
No just Lemmy. No one else is as iconic.
Seems a bold claim.
dv said:
Postpocelipse said:
furious said:
- This one however makes perfect sense.
So every time a “heavy metal” musician dies a new element should be named after them?
No just Lemmy. No one else is as iconic.
Seems a bold claim.
Lemmy who?
dv said:
Postpocelipse said:
furious said:
- This one however makes perfect sense.
So every time a “heavy metal” musician dies a new element should be named after them?
No just Lemmy. No one else is as iconic.
Seems a bold claim.
You don’t know any hardcore rock and rollers do you? Lemmy is the boss to most of us.
You’re allowed to have an opinion, just as I am allowed to disagree with it…
>International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry recommend that one of the four new discovered Heavy Metals in the Periodic table is named Lemmium.
I wonder if Lemmy would have had any idea what they’re talking about.
Who is this “us” of which you speak?
furious said:
- I see how wrong I was for having my own opinion
You’re allowed to have an opinion, just as I am allowed to disagree with it…
Look. They named the 2 different types of electric current after an Aussie band so I think Lemmy is owed his metal.
Case closed next petition………
Bubblecar said:
>International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry recommend that one of the four new discovered Heavy Metals in the Periodic table is named Lemmium.I wonder if Lemmy would have had any idea what they’re talking about.
He wasn’t ignorant.
In any case, I’d prefer that chemical elements are named after chemists, or failing that, physicists.
And it’s not really fair on all the other popular music genres that don’t have matching terms in the Table.
And all the good metal is Scandinavian.
dv said:
In any case, I’d prefer that chemical elements are named after chemists, or failing that, physicists.
It will be interesting to see the result of this petition.
dv said:
And all the good metal isScandinavianwood.</wookie<br/>
dv said:
And all the good metal is Scandinavian.
Motorhead were rock and roll.
Maybe they should name an exoplanet or asteroid or other such thing after just about everyone, there is enough to go around…
Postpocelipse said:
dv said:
And all the good metal is Scandinavian.
Motorhead were rock and roll.
They influenced the beginning of the metal scene along with Sabbath but have always pretty well been a punk rock band.
Postpocelipse said:
Postpocelipse said:
dv said:
And all the good metal is Scandinavian.
Motorhead were rock and roll.
They influenced the beginning of the metal scene along with Sabbath but have always pretty well been a punk rock band.
So why the petition? These are newly discovered heavy metals, not newly discovered punk rocks.

Postpocelipse said:
dv said:
And all the good metal is Scandinavian.
Motorhead were rock and roll.
They were metal
furious said:
Maybe they should name an exoplanet or asteroid or other such thing after just about everyone, there is enough to go around…
Not quite but it is quite amazing how the exoplanets have kicked along. There are 2000 known now.
dv said:
Postpocelipse said:
dv said:
And all the good metal is Scandinavian.
Motorhead were rock and roll.
They were metal
Funnily enough, Lemmy begged to differ:
The band is often considered a precursor to, or one of the earliest members of, the New Wave of British Heavy Metal, which re-energised heavy metal in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Despite this, Lemmy always dubbed their music as simply “rock and roll”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mot%C3%B6rhead
“Motorhead: New Wave of British Heavy Metal”
Cheers
furious said:
Bubblecar said:
Postpocelipse said:
Postpocelipse said:Motorhead were rock and roll.
They influenced the beginning of the metal scene along with Sabbath but have always pretty well been a punk rock band.
So why the petition? These are newly discovered heavy metals, not newly discovered punk rocks.
Put it this way. Would you prefer the ‘father’ of metal get the honor or the bastard son of it? The former would result in a metal called Osbournium and I KNOW nobody wants that. Tempting serious accidents that is……
Then, like I suggested, name an asteroid, or “space” rock, after him…
Anyway they can call it what they like, but personally I think a jocular reference like this tends to lower the tone.
Same with the jokey specific names etc sometimes given to animals.
dv said:
Postpocelipse said:
dv said:
And all the good metal is Scandinavian.
Motorhead were rock and roll.
They were metal
In attitude sure but not in music.
Or maybe Iommium? it even looks right…
You’ve got that the wrong way around…
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Postpocelipse said:Motorhead were rock and roll.
They were metal
Funnily enough, Lemmy begged to differ:
The band is often considered a precursor to, or one of the earliest members of, the New Wave of British Heavy Metal, which re-energised heavy metal in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Despite this, Lemmy always dubbed their music as simply “rock and roll”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mot%C3%B6rhead
Degas didn’t call himself an Impressionist.
Didn’t much matter that he was wrong: he was a painter, not an art historian.
furious said:
- In attitude sure but not in music.
You’ve got that the wrong way around…
Yeah nah…….
furious said:
- In attitude sure but not in music.
You’ve got that the wrong way around…
Lemmy called his music R&R. I’ll agree with him.
Punk is the attitude but the music is decidedly metal…
Bubblecar said:
Anyway they can call it what they like, but personally I think a jocular reference like this tends to lower the tone.Same with the jokey specific names etc sometimes given to animals.
I am a bit more relaxed about animals. There are quite literally millions of species of animals, plenty to “waste” on funny names, but only 118 elements.
This thread’s starting to remind me of that Bad News Tour comedy:
“I’m not getting back in the van until Alan says we’re Heavy Metal”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_News_(band)
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:They were metal
Funnily enough, Lemmy begged to differ:
The band is often considered a precursor to, or one of the earliest members of, the New Wave of British Heavy Metal, which re-energised heavy metal in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Despite this, Lemmy always dubbed their music as simply “rock and roll”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mot%C3%B6rhead
Degas didn’t call himself an Impressionist.
Didn’t much matter that he was wrong: he was a painter, not an art historian.
Motorhead are NOT metal.
Then why are you banging on about Lemmy and a heavy metal element?
furious said:
- Yeah nah…….
Punk is the attitude but the music is decidedly metal…
So you play?. There is nothing metal-like about motorhead riffs. Standard high energy R&R…….
“Of course we’re Heavy Metal but we’re not JUST Heavy Metal…”
furious said:
- Motorhead are NOT metal.
Then why are you banging on about Lemmy and a heavy metal element?
I didn’t start the thread. I like the idea. I’ve spent most of my time here stating that Motorhead played R&R. It is enough that Lemmy contributed what he did to the development of a genre.
Postpocelipse said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:Funnily enough, Lemmy begged to differ:
The band is often considered a precursor to, or one of the earliest members of, the New Wave of British Heavy Metal, which re-energised heavy metal in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Despite this, Lemmy always dubbed their music as simply “rock and roll”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mot%C3%B6rhead
Degas didn’t call himself an Impressionist.
Didn’t much matter that he was wrong: he was a painter, not an art historian.
Motorhead are NOT metal.
Origin London, England
Genres
Years active 1975–2015
Labels
Associated acts
Hawkwind The Head Cat Girlschool Headgirl Pink FairiesWebsite imotorhead.com
Past members Ian “Lemmy” Kilmister
Larry Wallis
Lucas Fox
Phil “Philthy Animal” Taylor
“Fast” Eddie Clarke
Brian “Robbo” Robertson
Michael “Würzel” Burston
Pete Gill
Phil “Wizzö” Campbell
Mikkey Dee
Yeah, well, they should still call it Iommium before they call it Lemmium…
furious said:
- I didn’t start the thread. I like the idea. I’ve spent most of my time here stating that Motorhead played R&R. It is enough that Lemmy contributed what he did to the development of a genre.
Yeah, well, they should still call it Iommium before they call it Lemmium…
I don’t know that Tony would agree. Ozzy would probably object.
I don’t know if Lemmy would agree either and Ozzy wouldn’t know what was going on…
I think this thread has been going long enough for me to say….I have no idea what any of the references are about, or who this person is.
furious said:
- I don’t know that Tony would agree. Ozzy would probably object.
I don’t know if Lemmy would agree either and Ozzy wouldn’t know what was going on…
Sharon would tell him and then he would stumble out to the cameras doing his best “upset Neil” and saying “Hey what’s this I hear about naming a metal after Tony??”
Lemmy would probably say “It’s a really nice thought from all my fans but I’ve never had anything to do with science”.
buffy said:
I think this thread has been going long enough for me to say….I have no idea what any of the references are about, or who this person is.
I saw him on The Young Ones, years ago. A singer in a rock band that wasn’t really a rock band because it was Impressionist Metal or suchlike.
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:I think this thread has been going long enough for me to say….I have no idea what any of the references are about, or who this person is.
I saw him on The Young Ones, years ago. A singer in a rock band that wasn’t really a rock band because it was Impressionist Metal or suchlike.
Impressionist metal? That’s a new one. Motorhead were pretty well the British version of acid rock.
To me, Rock and Roll refers to music with a Rock and Roll beat: Chuck Berry’s Maybellene, The Yardbirds’ Heart Full of Soul, Don McLean’s American Pie. It is an assymetrical beat, with the stronger beat shortly following the weaker.
By the mid seventies Rock and Roll was seriously on the way out and was being replaced by the simpler “Rock” beat. Compare Slade’s Cum On Feel the Noize with that of Quiet Riot. The former is rock and roll, the latter is rock.
Motorhead to my knowledge were never rock and roll.
Bubblecar said:
This thread’s starting to remind me of that Bad News Tour comedy:“I’m not getting back in the van until Alan says we’re Heavy Metal”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_News_(band)
nice ref
De gustibus non est disputandum
Postpocelipse said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:Funnily enough, Lemmy begged to differ:
The band is often considered a precursor to, or one of the earliest members of, the New Wave of British Heavy Metal, which re-energised heavy metal in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Despite this, Lemmy always dubbed their music as simply “rock and roll”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mot%C3%B6rhead
Degas didn’t call himself an Impressionist.
Didn’t much matter that he was wrong: he was a painter, not an art historian.
Motorhead are NOT metal.
Sure they were
furious said:
The first death metal album was a solo album by John Entwhistle.
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:I think this thread has been going long enough for me to say….I have no idea what any of the references are about, or who this person is.
I saw him on The Young Ones, years ago. A singer in a rock band that wasn’t really a rock band because it was Impressionist Metal or suchlike.
Ace of Spades is an all time classic R&R number. Not metal at all. Motorhead riffs use alternate picking. Metal is based round all down picking. Technical things distinguish music-genres for the musicians involved, not what people think when they hear a sound they are unfamiliar with.
dv said:
Degas didn’t call himself an Impressionist.Didn’t much matter that he was wrong: he was a painter, not an art historian.
But he wasn’t actually “wrong”. It’s up to artists to decide whether or not their works are part of this or that movement. Assigning works to this or that movement without the artist’s agreement is a matter of opinion and academic convention, not “fact”. For example, a work may exhibit various visual characteristics associated with a particular movement, but the artist may have been very unsympathetic to the theoretical aims of that movement.
dv said:
To me, Rock and Roll refers to music with a Rock and Roll beat: Chuck Berry’s Maybellene, The Yardbirds’ Heart Full of Soul, Don McLean’s American Pie. It is an assymetrical beat, with the stronger beat shortly following the weaker.By the mid seventies Rock and Roll was seriously on the way out and was being replaced by the simpler “Rock” beat. Compare Slade’s Cum On Feel the Noize with that of Quiet Riot. The former is rock and roll, the latter is rock.
Motorhead to my knowledge were never rock and roll.
Surely you mean mid sixties.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Degas didn’t call himself an Impressionist.Didn’t much matter that he was wrong: he was a painter, not an art historian.
But he wasn’t actually “wrong”. It’s up to artists to decide whether or not their works are part of this or that movement. Assigning works to this or that movement without the artist’s agreement is a matter of opinion and academic convention, not “fact”. For example, a work may exhibit various visual characteristics associated with a particular movement, but the artist may have been very unsympathetic to the theoretical aims of that movement.
So if Lemmy says he played R&R?
“To the station!”
“Music”
dv said:
Postpocelipse said:
dv said:Degas didn’t call himself an Impressionist.
Didn’t much matter that he was wrong: he was a painter, not an art historian.
Motorhead are NOT metal.
Sure they were
Nah. Just hard rock. If you were going to say motorhead were more metal than deep purple then you don’t know much about the era and the various genres and timelines.
Postpocelipse said:
Ace of Spades is an all time classic R&R number. Not metal at all
Ace of Spades is the type specimen of the Heavy Metal track. It does not have a rock and roll beat.
Postpocelipse said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Degas didn’t call himself an Impressionist.Didn’t much matter that he was wrong: he was a painter, not an art historian.
But he wasn’t actually “wrong”. It’s up to artists to decide whether or not their works are part of this or that movement. Assigning works to this or that movement without the artist’s agreement is a matter of opinion and academic convention, not “fact”. For example, a work may exhibit various visual characteristics associated with a particular movement, but the artist may have been very unsympathetic to the theoretical aims of that movement.
So if Lemmy says he played R&R?
Nothing wrong with humouring him, especially since he’s dead.
dv said:
To me, Rock and Roll refers to music with a Rock and Roll beat: Chuck Berry’s Maybellene, The Yardbirds’ Heart Full of Soul, Don McLean’s American Pie. It is an assymetrical beat, with the stronger beat shortly following the weaker.By the mid seventies Rock and Roll was seriously on the way out and was being replaced by the simpler “Rock” beat. Compare Slade’s Cum On Feel the Noize with that of Quiet Riot. The former is rock and roll, the latter is rock.
Motorhead to my knowledge were never rock and roll.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Degas didn’t call himself an Impressionist.Didn’t much matter that he was wrong: he was a painter, not an art historian.
But he wasn’t actually “wrong”. It’s up to artists to decide whether or not their works are part of this or that movement. Assigning works to this or that movement without the artist’s agreement is a matter of opinion and academic convention, not “fact”. For example, a work may exhibit various visual characteristics associated with a particular movement, but the artist may have been very unsympathetic to the theoretical aims of that movement.
Well I don’t agree. I think historians need to classify works and artists as objectively as possible.
dv said:
Postpocelipse said:Ace of Spades is an all time classic R&R number. Not metal at all
Ace of Spades is the type specimen of the Heavy Metal track. It does not have a rock and roll beat.
Have you heard it slowed down? I know the difference between metal riffs and everything else. I can play Ace of Spades and it is just a standard 4/4 R&R beat sped up.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
To me, Rock and Roll refers to music with a Rock and Roll beat: Chuck Berry’s Maybellene, The Yardbirds’ Heart Full of Soul, Don McLean’s American Pie. It is an assymetrical beat, with the stronger beat shortly following the weaker.By the mid seventies Rock and Roll was seriously on the way out and was being replaced by the simpler “Rock” beat. Compare Slade’s Cum On Feel the Noize with that of Quiet Riot. The former is rock and roll, the latter is rock.
Motorhead to my knowledge were never rock and roll.
Yardbirds were Rhythm&Blues
Led Zep have been called metal but they sure weren’t.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Degas didn’t call himself an Impressionist.Didn’t much matter that he was wrong: he was a painter, not an art historian.
But he wasn’t actually “wrong”. It’s up to artists to decide whether or not their works are part of this or that movement. Assigning works to this or that movement without the artist’s agreement is a matter of opinion and academic convention, not “fact”. For example, a work may exhibit various visual characteristics associated with a particular movement, but the artist may have been very unsympathetic to the theoretical aims of that movement.
Well I don’t agree. I think historians need to classify works and artists as objectively as possible.
The point is there’s nothing very “objective” about art movements. They’re artistic categories bulging with subjective intentions and assumptions. It’s the role of art historians to record what the artists themselves were meaning and intending with their work.
What if I started an art movement and claimed my work belonged to that movement, and other artists joined in, but then decided I hated that movement and assigned my work to a movement with a completely different name? Since both movements are entirely my invention, the art historians could only be accurate by recording that I worked within a movement I’d created, then changed to a different movement.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
To me, Rock and Roll refers to music with a Rock and Roll beat: Chuck Berry’s Maybellene, The Yardbirds’ Heart Full of Soul, Don McLean’s American Pie. It is an assymetrical beat, with the stronger beat shortly following the weaker.By the mid seventies Rock and Roll was seriously on the way out and was being replaced by the simpler “Rock” beat. Compare Slade’s Cum On Feel the Noize with that of Quiet Riot. The former is rock and roll, the latter is rock.
Motorhead to my knowledge were never rock and roll.
Yardbirds were Rhythm&Blues
They had quite a range of styles but I am saying HFOS was a rock and roll song.
dv said:
They had quite a range of styles but I am saying HFOS was a rock and roll song.
But any band is free to play whatever music they like and say “Well, we call it rock and roll. Others may disagree, but it’s our version of rock and roll”.
These aren’t scientific categories.
Difference in sound
Rock or may be plain hard rock utilizes the classic overdrive sound created when the tubes on an amplifier or specific part on it like the drive knob have been pushed to the limit. This creates a long sustained sound with a twang and the distortion is light. As for metal rock the distortion is strong as the overdrive is sustained longer creating a deeper, heavier sound. With plain hard rock a classic drum set with no double bass pedal is used. Double bass pedal is when you have got two pedals or just one with two separate mallets attached to a double chained rod. Heavy metal utilizes plenty of these. Some early metal rock artists include Led Zeppelin, deep purple and Black Sabbath and all these got huge fan followings.
Summary:
1. Rock is the main music genre while metal is a sub genre of rock.
2. Rock sound’s overdrive has a lighter distortion than metal rock which has strong distortion.
3. Metal rock has a deeper, heavier sound than plain rock or simply rock sound.
4. Rock uses classic drum set without double bass pedal while metal uses double bass pedal for the drum set.
Read more: Difference Between Rock and Metal | Difference Between | Rock vs Metal http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-rock-and-metal/#ixzz3wXj8vceL
Postpocelipse said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
To me, Rock and Roll refers to music with a Rock and Roll beat: Chuck Berry’s Maybellene, The Yardbirds’ Heart Full of Soul, Don McLean’s American Pie. It is an assymetrical beat, with the stronger beat shortly following the weaker.By the mid seventies Rock and Roll was seriously on the way out and was being replaced by the simpler “Rock” beat. Compare Slade’s Cum On Feel the Noize with that of Quiet Riot. The former is rock and roll, the latter is rock.
Motorhead to my knowledge were never rock and roll.
Yardbirds were Rhythm&BluesLed Zep have been called metal but they sure weren’t.
Born out of Rhythm and Blues. They covered a lot of old blues songs.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:But he wasn’t actually “wrong”. It’s up to artists to decide whether or not their works are part of this or that movement. Assigning works to this or that movement without the artist’s agreement is a matter of opinion and academic convention, not “fact”. For example, a work may exhibit various visual characteristics associated with a particular movement, but the artist may have been very unsympathetic to the theoretical aims of that movement.
Well I don’t agree. I think historians need to classify works and artists as objectively as possible.
The point is there’s nothing very “objective” about art movements. They’re artistic categories bulging with subjective intentions and assumptions. It’s the role of art historians to record what the artists themselves were meaning and intending with their work.
What if I started an art movement and claimed my work belonged to that movement, and other artists joined in, but then decided I hated that movement and assigned my work to a movement with a completely different name? Since both movements are entirely my invention, the art historians could only be accurate by recording that I worked within a movement I’d created, then changed to a different movement.
I think the astute art historian can do a bit better than that.
In cases where little is recorded, they have no choice but to classify the artworks on its own form. They don’t know whether the bloke who did one end of the Parthenon frieze considered himself to be in a different school from the bloke who did the other end.
I mean I am pretty sure that real life art historians do consider Degas’ work to be Impressionist regardless of his identification.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
They had quite a range of styles but I am saying HFOS was a rock and roll song.
But any band is free to play whatever music they like and say “Well, we call it rock and roll. Others may disagree, but it’s our version of rock and roll”.
These aren’t scientific categories.
Very well then.
Interestingly one of the least rock and roll songs ever recorded was called We Built This City On Rock And Roll.
>In cases where little is recorded, they have no choice but to classify the artworks on its own form.
Correct, which then becomes a matter of academic convention, not “fact”.
>I mean I am pretty sure that real life art historians do consider Degas’ work to be Impressionist regardless of his identification.
They regard him as one of the founders of a movement called Impressionism by most artists identified with it, but they always point out that he himself rejected the term.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
They had quite a range of styles but I am saying HFOS was a rock and roll song.
But any band is free to play whatever music they like and say “Well, we call it rock and roll. Others may disagree, but it’s our version of rock and roll”.
These aren’t scientific categories.
Very well then.
Interestingly one of the least rock and roll songs ever recorded was called We Built This City On Rock And Roll.
It wasn’t the best work done by Jefferson Airplane.
Bubblecar said:
>In cases where little is recorded, they have no choice but to classify the artworks on its own form.Correct, which then becomes a matter of academic convention, not “fact”.
>I mean I am pretty sure that real life art historians do consider Degas’ work to be Impressionist regardless of his identification.
They regard him as one of the founders of a movement called Impressionism by most artists identified with it, but they always point out that he himself rejected the term.
Whichever genre one feels they belong to it is largely to do with fundamental attitude. The attitude Lemmy personified was the ‘sex, drugs, R&R one. This is distinctly different to the metal attitude which takes itself and everything else very seriously.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Postpocelipse said:No just Lemmy. No one else is as iconic.
Seems a bold claim.
Lemmy who?
Lemmy deletedisthread
Wm
My vote would be;
Lemmium- Lemmy
Octarine- Terry Pratchett
Ziggium- Bowie
Nimoynium- Leonard Nimoy
Postpocelipse said:
My vote would be;Lemmium- Lemmy
Octarine- Terry Pratchett
Ziggium- Bowie
Nimoynium- Leonard Nimoy
Since these are synthetic elements it is probably fitting they are named after actors/artists.
Apparently Lemmy introduced every Motorhead gig with “We are Motorhead and we play Rock and Roll”.