With all due respect to doctors I don’t think they have any business regulating marihuana use.

First of all the ones who seem to be genuinely familiar with it have to my knowledge supported it universally.

Secondly it is not a natural substance that doctors or pharmacists have had no part in the creation of. IMO they should be confined to providing advice and regulation on what comes from them but should stay out of the debate and only provide substantial data without recommendations.

What does everyone else think here?

Postpocelipse said:

With all due respect to doctors I don’t think they have any business regulating marihuana use.

First of all the ones who seem to be genuinely familiar with it have to my knowledge supported it universally.

Secondly it is a natural substance that doctors or pharmacists have had no part in the creation of. IMO they should be confined to providing advice and regulation on what comes from them but should stay out of the debate and only provide substantial data without recommendations.

What does everyone else think here?

fixed………

I think that while medicinal use of marijuana is a recognised treatment for some diseases/disorders there is likely insufficient evidence to support it’s wide spread use, or of its long term effects.

diddly-squat said:

I think that while medicinal use of marijuana is a recognised treatment for some diseases/disorders there is likely insufficient evidence to support it’s wide spread use, or of its long term effects.

There is much evidence when you look for the information

if people don’t look for the information, then they wont find it will they will they

sorry if that’s a but condescending

but when people say there’s insufficient evidence when that’s clearly much evidence, people are either being lazy or trolling

diddly-squat said:

I think that while medicinal use of marijuana is a recognised treatment for some diseases/disorders there is likely insufficient evidence to support it’s wide spread use, or of its long term effects.

It seems marijuana suppositories are being floated as remedies for some conditions

Cannabis and schizophrenia. Good info here. I think it’s fair to say that doctors have a stake in this.

http://www.nationaldrugstrategy.gov.au/internet/drugstrategy/Publishing.nsf/content/C22A31B6C742DFE5CA25767E00122541/$File/m684.pdf

CrazyNeutrino said:

There is much evidence when you look for the information

if people don’t look for the information, then they wont find it will they will they

sorry if that’s a but condescending

but when people say there’s insufficient evidence when that’s clearly much evidence, people are either being lazy or trolling

We’re talking double blind trials, not anecdotes. But that doesn’t mean to say that some people like yourself don’t find it useful.

diddly-squat said:

I think that while medicinal use of marijuana is a recognised treatment for some diseases/disorders there is likely insufficient evidence to support it’s wide spread use, or of its long term effects.

Many times marijuana is a persons preference to taking more caustic pharmaceuticals. It is fair enough to restrict a child’s access but a fully grown adult should be able to both take care of themselves and know whether it works for them or not. People should be allowed their own preference and in this case there is little evidence that cannabis use contributes negative results to adults. Regulating as strictly as they propose looks suspiciously like an attempt to confine profit in the area to those they choose worthy. That is both conniving and offensive to the intelligence of adults in general.

pesce.del.giorno said:

Cannabis and schizophrenia. Good info here. I think it’s fair to say that doctors have a stake in this.

http://www.nationaldrugstrategy.gov.au/internet/drugstrategy/Publishing.nsf/content/C22A31B6C742DFE5CA25767E00122541/$File/m684.pdf

yes some people should not use cannabis

it also could be argued that those people might have already had schizophrenia regardless of cannabis use

people with schizophrenia should stay away from recreational drugs

CrazyNeutrino said:

diddly-squat said:

I think that while medicinal use of marijuana is a recognised treatment for some diseases/disorders there is likely insufficient evidence to support it’s wide spread use, or of its long term effects.

There is much evidence when you look for the information

if people don’t look for the information, then they wont find it will they will they

sorry if that’s a but condescending

but when people say there’s insufficient evidence when that’s clearly much evidence, people are either being lazy or trolling

The illegality of the substance means that it’s difficult to effectively conduct (carefully-designed and randomised trials) clinical trials and this leads to the problem where much of the data relating to medicinal use of marijuana is self-reported.

some people need medication

and there are other people who don’t need it at all

Postpocelipse said:

diddly-squat said:

I think that while medicinal use of marijuana is a recognised treatment for some diseases/disorders there is likely insufficient evidence to support it’s wide spread use, or of its long term effects.

Many times marijuana is a persons preference to taking more caustic pharmaceuticals. It is fair enough to restrict a child’s access but a fully grown adult should be able to both take care of themselves and know whether it works for them or not. People should be allowed their own preference and in this case there is little evidence that cannabis use contributes negative results to adults. Regulating as strictly as they propose looks suspiciously like an attempt to confine profit in the area to those they choose worthy. That is both conniving and offensive to the intelligence of adults in general.

What makes you feel good is not always good for you and letting people effectively self medicate is, IMO, not a very smart thing to do.

For the record, I support clinical trials of marijuana for medicinal use.

diddly-squat said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

diddly-squat said:

I think that while medicinal use of marijuana is a recognised treatment for some diseases/disorders there is likely insufficient evidence to support it’s wide spread use, or of its long term effects.

There is much evidence when you look for the information

if people don’t look for the information, then they wont find it will they will they

sorry if that’s a but condescending

but when people say there’s insufficient evidence when that’s clearly much evidence, people are either being lazy or trolling

The illegality of the substance means that it’s difficult to effectively conduct (carefully-designed and randomised trials) clinical trials and this leads to the problem where much of the data relating to medicinal use of marijuana is self-reported.

that will change I guess

we need proper clinical trails

I did read an Australian report on Australian research into cannabis use

it did report on behaviors after use

but it did not say how much dosage, strain, type or strength they gave to people

that information is basic

CrazyNeutrino said:

some people need medication

and there are other people who don’t need it at all

The problem here is that unless a doctor can objectively determine which medication is best for which patient then they are duty bound to select the option that poses the least risk.

What we need in this space is less anecdotal ramblings and more hard science.

diddly-squat said:

Postpocelipse said:

diddly-squat said:

I think that while medicinal use of marijuana is a recognised treatment for some diseases/disorders there is likely insufficient evidence to support it’s wide spread use, or of its long term effects.

Many times marijuana is a persons preference to taking more caustic pharmaceuticals. It is fair enough to restrict a child’s access but a fully grown adult should be able to both take care of themselves and know whether it works for them or not. People should be allowed their own preference and in this case there is little evidence that cannabis use contributes negative results to adults. Regulating as strictly as they propose looks suspiciously like an attempt to confine profit in the area to those they choose worthy. That is both conniving and offensive to the intelligence of adults in general.

What makes you feel good is not always good for you and letting people effectively self medicate is, IMO, not a very smart thing to do.

For the record, I support clinical trials of marijuana for medicinal use.

Yes in general self medication is not good, but Im a bit different to other people

having Aspergers for one, and what make me feel good, might make someone else feel yuk

diddly-squat said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

some people need medication

and there are other people who don’t need it at all

The problem here is that unless a doctor can objectively determine which medication is best for which patient then they are duty bound to select the option that poses the least risk.

What we need in this space is less anecdotal ramblings and more hard science.

More hard science would be good

Im all for that

More science can only come from labs, those doing the research and those participating in the research

Without reading the whole thread I don’t think the dopeheads seem to be able to differentiate medical cannabis from the stuff you smoke and what legalising medical cannabis means.

i think that too PWM. i’ll stick to the full wack non-medicinal stuff. plus there’s nowt wrong with me.

>likely insufficient evidence to support it’s wide spread use

some won’t be happy until stoned doctors are selling the stuff on street corner and chanting good things about it.

legalizing medical cannabis does not mean pushing it onto people who don’t use it

it means its available to people who can use it medically

CrazyNeutrino said:

diddly-squat said:

Postpocelipse said:

Many times marijuana is a persons preference to taking more caustic pharmaceuticals. It is fair enough to restrict a child’s access but a fully grown adult should be able to both take care of themselves and know whether it works for them or not. People should be allowed their own preference and in this case there is little evidence that cannabis use contributes negative results to adults. Regulating as strictly as they propose looks suspiciously like an attempt to confine profit in the area to those they choose worthy. That is both conniving and offensive to the intelligence of adults in general.

What makes you feel good is not always good for you and letting people effectively self medicate is, IMO, not a very smart thing to do.

For the record, I support clinical trials of marijuana for medicinal use.

Yes in general self medication is not good, but Im a bit different to other people

having Aspergers for one, and what make me feel good, might make someone else feel yuk

I repeat, what makes you feel good is not always good for you (especially in the long term)

transition said:

>likely insufficient evidence to support it’s wide spread use

some won’t be happy until stoned doctors are selling the stuff on street corner and chanting good things about it.

there is much evidence now to show cannabis helps people with epileptic fits, multiple sclerosis, PTSD

if you dont have those things its not going to be much use to you

the insufficient evidence line is total bullshit

CrazyNeutrino said:

Yes in general self medication is not good, but Im a bit different to other people

having Aspergers for one, and what make me feel good, might make someone else feel yuk

In my experience those who don’t enjoy it don’t use it. Most people use it socially which is pretty harmless. A percentage of people choose it over pharmaceuticals. Up to about 25 yrs old people are at risk of improper use or abuse. If people over this age are given a little more credit and responsibility for themselves it may allow a better example to be set than what eventuates from making something that is really fairly innocuous as far as hazards and broadly beneficial in it’s versatility soothing symptoms of various ailments.

diddly-squat said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

diddly-squat said:

What makes you feel good is not always good for you and letting people effectively self medicate is, IMO, not a very smart thing to do.

For the record, I support clinical trials of marijuana for medicinal use.

Yes in general self medication is not good, but Im a bit different to other people

having Aspergers for one, and what make me feel good, might make someone else feel yuk

I repeat, what makes you feel good is not always good for you (especially in the long term)

fair enough

I could die from a twisties overdose

diddly-squat said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

diddly-squat said:

What makes you feel good is not always good for you and letting people effectively self medicate is, IMO, not a very smart thing to do.

For the record, I support clinical trials of marijuana for medicinal use.

Yes in general self medication is not good, but Im a bit different to other people

having Aspergers for one, and what make me feel good, might make someone else feel yuk

I repeat, what makes you feel good is not always good for you (especially in the long term)

Particularly in the case of smoking. We all should know that lungs can only take so much smoke.
However, the sample size for those who have chuffed lots of maryjane isn’t as small as one. The recorded illnesses caused by smoking marijuana aren’t breaking any records like smoking tobacco does.

One could surmise that not enough careful testing has been done to prove that smoking weed is deadly, short or long term.

diddly-squat said:

I think that while medicinal use of marijuana is a recognised treatment for some diseases/disorders there is likely insufficient evidence to support it’s wide spread use, or of its long term effects.

There’s also insufficient evidence in the other direction.

CrazyNeutrino said:

diddly-squat said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Yes in general self medication is not good, but Im a bit different to other people

having Aspergers for one, and what make me feel good, might make someone else feel yuk

I repeat, what makes you feel good is not always good for you (especially in the long term)

fair enough

I could die from a twisties overdose

or from a pretzel?

If people (of age) want to smoke it, or get the oil concentrate whatever, legal resticted use for medical or from the guy down the road, really I don’t care.

Problem is some people trend toward heavy use, they become variously tolerant, it stops being a minor recreational indulgence.

And there’s that song of the marijuana liberation enthusiasts.

I don’t know how anyone gets anything done after smoking the stuff. Perhaps i’ll have a couple of cones before I head out and do the stock rounds tomorrow.

transition said:

If people (of age) want to smoke it, or get the oil concentrate whatever, legal resticted use for medical or from the guy down the road, really I don’t care.

Problem is some people trend toward heavy use, they become variously tolerant, it stops being a minor recreational indulgence.

And there’s that song of the marijuana liberation enthusiasts.

I don’t know how anyone gets anything done after smoking the stuff. Perhaps i’ll have a couple of cones before I head out and do the stock rounds tomorrow.

I wouldn’t recommend it for working

some people like working on pot. for example I enjoyed database programming on pot

but I would not recommend it for work or driving as it is a natural sedative, it is a muscle relaxant,

I just did some vacuuming and tidying up after having a few vapes, still feeling ok

everybody is different and there too many variables

But in general Ive found smoking pot to make me tired when doing physical work

and it can lead to fatigue very quickly

I read a story about a truck driver who had a crash, fell asleep at the wheels after smoking a joint

if your getting micro-sleeps, cannabis will hasten sleep

it depends on the person

some people can smoke a joint and it will keep them up all night

CrazyNeutrino said:

transition said:

If people (of age) want to smoke it, or get the oil concentrate whatever, legal resticted use for medical or from the guy down the road, really I don’t care.

Problem is some people trend toward heavy use, they become variously tolerant, it stops being a minor recreational indulgence.

And there’s that song of the marijuana liberation enthusiasts.

I don’t know how anyone gets anything done after smoking the stuff. Perhaps i’ll have a couple of cones before I head out and do the stock rounds tomorrow.

I wouldn’t recommend it for working

some people like working on pot. for example I enjoyed database programming on pot

but I would not recommend it for work or driving as it is a natural sedative, it is a muscle relaxant,

I just did some vacuuming and tidying up after having a few vapes, still feeling ok

everybody is different and there too many variables

But in general Ive found smoking pot to make me tired when doing physical work

and it can lead to fatigue very quickly

I read a story about a truck driver who had a crash, fell asleep at the wheels after smoking a joint

if your getting micro-sleeps, cannabis will hasten sleep

I’ve found it keeps me awake on the road when I would normally be dozing off. I also find it allows me to focus on a subject. My injuries and arthritis make my body feel fatigued and a small amount of pot will allow me to ignore my physical state during physical exertion. Just have to stay hydrated.

CrazyNeutrino said:

it depends on the person

some people can smoke a joint and it will keep them up all night

There are those whochuff all day long and are still the life of the party.

> tired when doing physical work

be no good for me then.

transition said:

> tired when doing physical work

be no good for me then.

You’d never know until you tried it.

>You’d never know until you tried it.

i’ll be fifty this year.

I like the oxygen between tobacco smoke inhalations.

transition said:

>You’d never know until you tried it.

i’ll be fifty this year.

I like the oxygen between tobacco smoke inhalations.

I’ll be sixty three. What’s you age got to do with filling your lungs with tobacco?

roughbarked said:

transition said:

>You’d never know until you tried it.

i’ll be fifty this year.

I like the oxygen between tobacco smoke inhalations.

I’ll be sixty three. What’s you age got to do with filling your lungs with tobacco?

yeah sorry was lacking explicities there.

what I meant was I’ve been around the block a couple of times, my life hasn’t been without some experience, and I have a somewhat developed appreciation of oxygen, and on my slow days I hyperventilate for entertainment

transition said:

roughbarked said:

transition said:

>You’d never know until you tried it.

i’ll be fifty this year.

I like the oxygen between tobacco smoke inhalations.

I’ll be sixty three. What’s you age got to do with filling your lungs with tobacco?

yeah sorry was lacking explicities there.

what I meant was I’ve been around the block a couple of times, my life hasn’t been without some experience, and I have a somewhat developed appreciation of oxygen, and on my slow days I hyperventilate for entertainment

Sounds like something a Labrador would do. Do you just enjoy the buzz or get a laugh out of running into walls and falling over?

>Sounds like something a Labrador would do.

canines ‘em not as stupid as

>Do you just enjoy the buzz or get a laugh out of running into walls and falling over?

oxygen’s a drug, mate, tell me you haven’t been addicted all your life.

transition said:

>Sounds like something a Labrador would do.

canines ‘em not as stupid as

>Do you just enjoy the buzz or get a laugh out of running into walls and falling over?

oxygen’s a drug, mate, tell me you haven’t been addicted all your life.

I went off it until I went blue in the face but I didn’t get what I wanted……..

>I went off it until I went blue in the face but I didn’t get what I wanted……..

shit’s free, easy to get, half dozen deep breaths mate and you’re stoned.

transition said:

>I went off it until I went blue in the face but I didn’t get what I wanted……..

shit’s free, easy to get, half dozen deep breaths mate and you’re stoned.

Lucid. Stoned is lucid but with more debate.

Postpocelipse said:

transition said:

>I went off it until I went blue in the face but I didn’t get what I wanted……..

shit’s free, easy to get, half dozen deep breaths mate and you’re stoned.

Lucid. Stoned is lucid but with more debate.

You can’‘t be monopolizing what stoned is now, anyone can get high on oxygen, I do it all the time. Sometimes I brag about it too.

transition said:

roughbarked said:

transition said:

>You’d never know until you tried it.

i’ll be fifty this year.

I like the oxygen between tobacco smoke inhalations.

I’ll be sixty three. What’s you age got to do with filling your lungs with tobacco?

yeah sorry was lacking explicities there.

what I meant was I’ve been around the block a couple of times, my life hasn’t been without some experience, and I have a somewhat developed appreciation of oxygen, and on my slow days I hyperventilate for entertainment

I like breathing too.

roughbarked said:

transition said:

roughbarked said:

I’ll be sixty three. What’s you age got to do with filling your lungs with tobacco?

yeah sorry was lacking explicities there.

what I meant was I’ve been around the block a couple of times, my life hasn’t been without some experience, and I have a somewhat developed appreciation of oxygen, and on my slow days I hyperventilate for entertainment

I like breathing too.

Me too but I find most people breath through their arse.

bob(from black rock) said:

Me too but I find most people breath through their arse.

Makes sense if they’re talking shit.

Witty Rejoinder said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Me too but I find most people breath through their arse.

Makes sense if they’re talking shit.

Makes scents ?

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Me too but I find most people breath through their arse.

Makes sense if they’re talking shit.

Makes scents ?

I wonder how many comedy script writers graze through our posts, and pick up our“gems”

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Me too but I find most people breath through their arse.

Makes sense if they’re talking shit.

Makes scents ?

I wonder how many comedy script writers graze through our posts, and pick up our“gems”

bob(from black rock) said:

roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Makes sense if they’re talking shit.

Makes scents ?

I wonder how many comedy script writers graze through our posts, and pick up our“gems”

I’m no comedian but I do use what I read here to educate my associates sensauma.

CrazyNeutrino said:

There is much evidence when you look for the information

There is indeed much evidence that it isn’t good for you.

• There is much evidence when you look for the information

That’s what an anti-vaxxer would say…

The Rev Dodgson said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

There is much evidence when you look for the information

There is indeed much evidence that it isn’t good for you.

Would you mind providing a reference that satisfies your statement?

Postpocelipse said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

There is much evidence when you look for the information

There is indeed much evidence that it isn’t good for you.

Would you mind providing a reference that satisfies your statement?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-15/one-person-brain-dead-after-french-drug-trial/7092558

jjjust moi said:

Postpocelipse said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

There is indeed much evidence that it isn’t good for you.

Would you mind providing a reference that satisfies your statement?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-15/one-person-brain-dead-after-french-drug-trial/7092558

happens all the time