I’m considering it. Maybe a Jabiru or similar. The idea seems attractive but I’m sure there are huge downsides. Anybody here owned an aircraft? Any advice?

pesce.del.giorno said:

I’m considering it. Maybe a Jabiru or similar. The idea seems attractive but I’m sure there are huge downsides. Anybody here owned an aircraft? Any advice?

That’s a Light Sport Aircraft.
The only downside is having to find a hanger to keep it in. They’re cheap to run and you can go to a lot of places around the country in them – But not airports that have control towers, etc.
All going well, I’ll be selling our own brand later this year.

“Our own brand”?

Divine Angel said:

“Our own brand”?

Yep.

Who is “our”?

Divine Angel said:

Who is “our”?

An Aussie mate of mine lives in China, we have four companies one of which will be building LSA’s. I part-own all the companies.
We have two prototype aircraft sitting over there, we’ll be making modifications to them and they should be for sale before the end of the year. They will be designed to be easy & fast to build at home.

Are they sold in kit form or is the design downloadable for a mofo of a 3D printer?

Divine Angel said:

Are they sold in kit form or is the design downloadable for a mofo of a 3D printer?

Kit. Rivet, glue, and bolt together.

Spiny Norman said:

Divine Angel said:

Are they sold in kit form or is the design downloadable for a mofo of a 3D printer?

Kit. Rivet, glue, and bolt together.

Are there existing companies selling kit planes?

Witty Rejoinder said:

Spiny Norman said:

Divine Angel said:

Are they sold in kit form or is the design downloadable for a mofo of a 3D printer?

Kit. Rivet, glue, and bolt together.

Are there existing companies selling kit planes?

Quite a few.

Howard Hughes owned LSA/kit manufacturers in Ballina..

http://www.lightwing.com.au

Best wishes on your enterprise, SN.

Spiny Norman said:

Divine Angel said:

“Our own brand”?

Yep.

What will it be called?

Spiny Norman said:

pesce.del.giorno said:

I’m considering it. Maybe a Jabiru or similar. The idea seems attractive but I’m sure there are huge downsides. Anybody here owned an aircraft? Any advice?

That’s a Light Sport Aircraft.
The only downside is having to find a hanger to keep it in. They’re cheap to run and you can go to a lot of places around the country in them – But not airports that have control towers, etc.
All going well, I’ll be selling our own brand later this year.

you should pitch your product to the aeroclubs

many people join a club where lots of people own one aircraft, all the expenses are then shared amongst everyone

most private aircraft gather dust i’d say being used infrequently

My BiL owns an ultralight that he and a friend built from a kit. He keeps it in a rented hanger at Serpentine airfield (where the Perth BOM radar is housed). Usually tries to fly it once a week. Not sure how much it costs or what the downsides are.

two seats, side-by-side. Lovely view out front.

What are the differences between light sports aircraft (ultralights) and general aviation light aircraft. My understanding is that the former can’t enter controlled airspace. If so, why is this? Just a matter of avionics, or is there more to it than that?

Once built from a kit, does the plane have to be checked before it is allowed to fly?

Divine Angel said:

Once built from a kit, does the plane have to be checked before it is allowed to fly?

Yeah. If it falls out of the sky, you fail the test.

pesce.del.giorno said:

What are the differences between light sports aircraft (ultralights) and general aviation light aircraft. My understanding is that the former can’t enter controlled airspace. If so, why is this? Just a matter of avionics, or is there more to it than that?

Have a poke around this site, it should explain all that for you.
https://www.raa.asn.au/

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

Once built from a kit, does the plane have to be checked before it is allowed to fly?

Yeah. If it falls out of the sky, you fail the test.

That happened to a mate of mine. Collision with building. Died and nearly killed his 6yo daughter. His widow spent everything they had modifying the house & car for the daughter’s wheelchair, then promptly went belly-up and lost the house.

So yeah, that’s shit… Some tests have higher penalties for failure than others.

Rule 303 said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

Once built from a kit, does the plane have to be checked before it is allowed to fly?

Yeah. If it falls out of the sky, you fail the test.

That happened to a mate of mine. Collision with building. Died and nearly killed his 6yo daughter. His widow spent everything they had modifying the house & car for the daughter’s wheelchair, then promptly went belly-up and lost the house.

So yeah, that’s shit… Some tests have higher penalties for failure than others.

Really? No gov help?

Arts said:

Really? No gov help?

She had lots of help from many sources, but like many people who sign themselves into fixed financial commitments that require two incomes to services, her financial needs were a long way outside what a single income can sustain – Especially with a very sick child taking up large amounts of her time, and bloke’s estate was cleaned out by the damage he caused to the building, too.

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

Really? No gov help?

She had lots of help from many sources, but like many people who sign themselves into fixed financial commitments that require two incomes to services, her financial needs were a long way outside what a single income can sustain – Especially with a very sick child taking up large amounts of her time, and bloke’s estate was cleaned out by the damage he caused to the building, too.

That’s sad.

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

Really? No gov help?

She had lots of help from many sources, but like many people who sign themselves into fixed financial commitments that require two incomes to services, her financial needs were a long way outside what a single income can sustain – Especially with a very sick child taking up large amounts of her time, and bloke’s estate was cleaned out by the damage he caused to the building, too.

That’s sad.

it certainly is and it’s the reason that everyone with a family and large financial commitments should have sufficient life and/or income protection/permanent disability insurance

diddly-squat said:

it certainly is and it’s the reason that everyone with a family and large financial commitments should have sufficient life and/or income protection/permanent disability insurance

Can you get insurance that covers you if you build your own plane and stack it into someone’s house?

Also, the news that comes across my desk about ‘Income Protection’ insurance is that it’s effectively worthless because no-one ever successfully claims against the policy.

Have you ever made a successful claim, or know anybody that has?

Rule 303 said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

Once built from a kit, does the plane have to be checked before it is allowed to fly?

Yeah. If it falls out of the sky, you fail the test.

That happened to a mate of mine. Collision with building. Died and nearly killed his 6yo daughter. His widow spent everything they had modifying the house & car for the daughter’s wheelchair, then promptly went belly-up and lost the house.

So yeah, that’s shit… Some tests have higher penalties for failure than others.

I’m currently trying to fix the please clean out pocketsv before you wash clothes test that she who should never have been listened to still denies doing/\

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

Really? No gov help?

She had lots of help from many sources, but like many people who sign themselves into fixed financial commitments that require two incomes to services, her financial needs were a long way outside what a single income can sustain – Especially with a very sick child taking up large amounts of her time, and bloke’s estate was cleaned out by the damage he caused to the building, too.

That’s sad.

Indeed it is. However it is quite true for a lot of the so called battlers little Johnny always spoke of.

Rule 303 said:

Also, the news that comes across my desk about ‘Income Protection’ insurance is that it’s effectively worthless because no-one ever successfully claims against the policy.

Have you ever made a successful claim, or know anybody that has?

Mrs SS has

stumpy_seahorse said:

Rule 303 said:

Also, the news that comes across my desk about ‘Income Protection’ insurance is that it’s effectively worthless because no-one ever successfully claims against the policy.

Have you ever made a successful claim, or know anybody that has?

Mrs SS has

That’s one.

Rule 303 said:

Also, the news that comes across my desk about ‘Income Protection’ insurance is that it’s effectively worthless because no-one ever successfully claims against the policy.

Have you ever made a successful claim, or know anybody that has?

a friend of mine had 8 weeks off for knee surgery, his income protection kicked in after six weeks.

Rule 303 said:

Also, the news that comes across my desk about ‘Income Protection’ insurance is that it’s effectively worthless because no-one ever successfully claims against the policy.

Have you ever made a successful claim, or know anybody that has?

The issue with income protection insurance is the clause that defines your ability to work after any incident.

It generally goes one of two ways:

1. not able to work in your existing position
2. not to work in a your existing or similar position

The first clause is the dangerous as it opens up, like you suggest, the possibility that you could still work but just not in the role you were in. The second clause is more specific and as such generally results in a higher premium.

I work with a guy that successfully claimed on his income protection insurance after a back injury.

Rule 303 said:

diddly-squat said:

it certainly is and it’s the reason that everyone with a family and large financial commitments should have sufficient life and/or income protection/permanent disability insurance

Can you get insurance that covers you if you build your own plane and stack it into someone’s house?

Like all insurance policies the devil is in the detail and generally speaking, you tend to get what you pay for. I have no doubt that you are able to buy policies that would cover such events but of course the risk would be reflected in the premium.

For instance my life insurance policy states that I regularly work in underground mines.

diddly-squat said:

Rule 303 said:

Also, the news that comes across my desk about ‘Income Protection’ insurance is that it’s effectively worthless because no-one ever successfully claims against the policy.

Have you ever made a successful claim, or know anybody that has?

The issue with income protection insurance is the clause that defines your ability to work after any incident.

It generally goes one of two ways:

1. not able to work in your existing position
2. not to work in a your existing or similar position

The first clause is the dangerous as it opens up, like you suggest, the possibility that you could still work but just not in the role you were in. The second clause is more specific and as such generally results in a higher premium.

I work with a guy that successfully claimed on his income protection insurance after a back injury.

Mrs SS got hers while she was on chemo.

75% of her average income in the previous 6 months

Rule 303 said:

Also, the news that comes across my desk about ‘Income Protection’ insurance is that it’s effectively worthless because no-one ever successfully claims against the policy.

Have you ever made a successful claim, or know anybody that has?

My brother had a motorbike accident a few years ago, shortly after getting income insurance. He was on his own property (not a public road), but his BAC was over the limit, and he was charged (and convicted) with DUI, and lost his licence as a result. He needed about six months off; the insurance company paid up without any problems, though.

btm said:

Rule 303 said:

Also, the news that comes across my desk about ‘Income Protection’ insurance is that it’s effectively worthless because no-one ever successfully claims against the policy.

Have you ever made a successful claim, or know anybody that has?

My brother had a motorbike accident a few years ago, shortly after getting income insurance. He was on his own property (not a public road), but his BAC was over the limit, and he was charged (and convicted) with DUI, and lost his licence as a result. He needed about six months off; the insurance company paid up without any problems, though.

I fell off a ladder after taking out income insurance. I was banged up in hospital for two weeks because the scans of my fractured vertebrae and ribs also showed TB on my lungs. The insurance cost me $18 per month. They forked out for all my hospital bills.

dv said:

Best wishes on your enterprise, SN.

Ditto.