Date: 21/01/2016 10:14:05
From: Bubblecar
ID: 834168
Subject: Astronomers Claim Neptune-sized Planet Lurks Beyond Pluto

The solar system appears to have a new ninth planet. Today, two scientists announced evidence that a body nearly the size of Neptune—but as yet unseen—orbits the sun every 15,000 years. During the solar system’s infancy 4.5 billion years ago, they say, the giant planet was knocked out of the planet-forming region near the sun. Slowed down by gas, the planet settled into a distant elliptical orbit, where it still lurks today.

The claim is the strongest yet in the centuries-long search for a “Planet X” beyond Neptune. The quest has been plagued by far-fetched claims and even outright quackery. But the new evidence comes from a pair of respected planetary scientists, Konstantin Batygin and Mike Brown of the California Institute of Technology (Caltech) in Pasadena, who prepared for the inevitable skepticism with detailed analyses of the orbits of other distant objects and months of computer simulations. “If you say, ‘We have evidence for Planet X,’ almost any astronomer will say, ‘This again? These guys are clearly crazy.’ I would, too,” Brown says. “Why is this different? This is different because this time we’re right.”

Outside scientists say their calculations stack up and express a mixture of caution and excitement about the result. “I could not imagine a bigger deal if—and of course that’s a boldface ‘if’—if it turns out to be right,” says Gregory Laughlin, a planetary scientist at the University of California (UC), Santa Cruz. “What’s thrilling about it is is detectable.”

Batygin and Brown inferred its presence from the peculiar clustering of six previously known objects that orbit beyond Neptune. They say there’s only a 0.007% chance, or about one in 15,000, that the clustering could be a coincidence. Instead, they say, a planet with the mass of 10 Earths has shepherded the six objects into their strange elliptical orbits, tilted out of the plane of the solar system.

Full report: http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/01/feature-astronomers-say-neptune-sized-planet-lurks-unseen-solar-system

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Date: 21/01/2016 11:01:22
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 834176
Subject: re: Astronomers Claim Neptune-sized Planet Lurks Beyond Pluto

I think we need a set of telescopes out past Plutos orbit looking for stuff

especially in the kuipter belt and oort cloud lloking for possible Collision paths with Earth

each telescope would consist of six telescopes arranged in a top bottom north south east west configuration

then have six or more of these telescopes and put them in plutos orbit arranged and spread out in a top bottom north south east west pattern

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Date: 21/01/2016 11:52:39
From: Cymek
ID: 834183
Subject: re: Astronomers Claim Neptune-sized Planet Lurks Beyond Pluto

I imagine it must be either very cold or very distant or both if we haven’t detected it.
Could it be an Oort cloud planetary sized object I wonder

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Date: 21/01/2016 11:54:12
From: dv
ID: 834185
Subject: re: Astronomers Claim Neptune-sized Planet Lurks Beyond Pluto

CrazyNeutrino said:

I think we need a set of telescopes out past Plutos orbit looking for stuff

If you think about the volumes involved, that probably won’t help much compared to having them on earth looking for stuff out past Pluto.

And they have found a shitload of things out past Pluto: more than a thousand of them.

Just not the putative superplanet described in this object.

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Date: 21/01/2016 12:08:11
From: dv
ID: 834187
Subject: re: Astronomers Claim Neptune-sized Planet Lurks Beyond Pluto

From what the article says, they are expecting it to be perhaps 600 AU to 1200 AU distant, perhaps 10 times as massive as earth. So it might have an apparent magnitude in the range from 17 to 20. That’s not a difficult object for big scopes but I suppose part of the problem is that it would move so slowly that you’d need to wait quite a while to spot it.

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Date: 21/01/2016 12:08:50
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 834188
Subject: re: Astronomers Claim Neptune-sized Planet Lurks Beyond Pluto

dv said:


CrazyNeutrino said:

I think we need a set of telescopes out past Plutos orbit looking for stuff

If you think about the volumes involved, that probably won’t help much compared to having them on earth looking for stuff out past Pluto.

And they have found a shitload of things out past Pluto: more than a thousand of them.

Just not the putative superplanet described in this object.

I think people need to think about future technologies that could scan the involved area for near earth collision objects

that is a radius from the sun to the oort cloud

a diameter for each way

the telescopes would have to scan the area within that very large sphere

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Date: 21/01/2016 12:11:16
From: dv
ID: 834191
Subject: re: Astronomers Claim Neptune-sized Planet Lurks Beyond Pluto

CrazyNeutrino said:


dv said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I think we need a set of telescopes out past Plutos orbit looking for stuff

If you think about the volumes involved, that probably won’t help much compared to having them on earth looking for stuff out past Pluto.

And they have found a shitload of things out past Pluto: more than a thousand of them.

Just not the putative superplanet described in this object.

I think people need to think about future technologies that could scan the involved area for near earth collision objects

that is a radius from the sun to the oort cloud

a diameter for each way

the telescopes would have to scan the area within that very large sphere

Yeah okay, maybe if there were hundreds of them.

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Date: 21/01/2016 12:15:52
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 834194
Subject: re: Astronomers Claim Neptune-sized Planet Lurks Beyond Pluto

would it be possible to design a spherical telescope

or do they already have them

a spherical lens

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Date: 21/01/2016 12:18:11
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 834196
Subject: re: Astronomers Claim Neptune-sized Planet Lurks Beyond Pluto

If I have my numbers right, this planet is about 20 x the distance to Neptune.

Considering that Neptune was discovered quite some time ago, and the advances in technology, I find it surprising that it has only just been found (if it actually exists).

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Date: 21/01/2016 15:14:29
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 834261
Subject: re: Astronomers Claim Neptune-sized Planet Lurks Beyond Pluto

The Rev Dodgson said:


If I have my numbers right, this planet is about 20 x the distance to Neptune.

Considering that Neptune was discovered quite some time ago, and the advances in technology, I find it surprising that it has only just been found (if it actually exists).


>The quest has been plagued by far-fetched claims and even outright quackery.

That’s no exaggeration. Prior to Neptune’s discovery the wrong planet weight estimates gave initially wrong expected size for Neptune. Then Pluto. Then even after the Pioneers and first Voyager there were still wrong predictions of a tenth planet, that it took the second Voyager to fix. Add to that far-fetched claims of Nemesis, and further quackery.

So I’m somewhat skeptical.

But willing to be proved wrong.

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Date: 21/01/2016 15:20:42
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 834264
Subject: re: Astronomers Claim Neptune-sized Planet Lurks Beyond Pluto

>Mike Brown of the California Institute of Technology (Caltech) in Pasadena

Oh him, the Pluto killer. We already know that he’s crazy.

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Date: 21/01/2016 16:41:24
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 834293
Subject: re: Astronomers Claim Neptune-sized Planet Lurks Beyond Pluto

The media are misleading in saying scientists have discovered a new planet.
They’ve discovered jack.
What they have done is predict it’s existence, Pluto was eventually discovered after first being predicted and then people looked in the predicted part of the sky and lo, there it was.
So whoever sees it first will probably get it named after them.
I hope Bubblecar doesn’t see it first.

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Date: 21/01/2016 18:11:46
From: dv
ID: 834303
Subject: re: Astronomers Claim Neptune-sized Planet Lurks Beyond Pluto

Peak Warming Man said:


The media are misleading in saying scientists have discovered a new planet.
They’ve discovered jack.
What they have done is predict it’s existence, Pluto was eventually discovered after first being predicted and then people looked in the predicted part of the sky and lo, there it was.
So whoever sees it first will probably get it named after them.
I hope Bubblecar doesn’t see it first.

yes

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Date: 21/01/2016 23:08:18
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 834482
Subject: re: Astronomers Claim Neptune-sized Planet Lurks Beyond Pluto

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

The media are misleading in saying scientists have discovered a new planet.
They’ve discovered jack.
What they have done is predict it’s existence, Pluto was eventually discovered after first being predicted and then people looked in the predicted part of the sky and lo, there it was.
So whoever sees it first will probably get it named after them.
I hope Bubblecar doesn’t see it first.

yes


Unless Bubblecar has access to raw Spitzer results, that’s unlikely. There are a couple of reasons why Spitzer isn’t ideal for this search. One is the small field of view. The other is that its coolant ran out ages ago limiting how far into the IR it can see. But nothing else would be better.

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Date: 21/01/2016 23:12:18
From: wookiemeister
ID: 834485
Subject: re: Astronomers Claim Neptune-sized Planet Lurks Beyond Pluto

Nemesis (star)

Nemesis is a red dwarf or brown dwarf, originally observed in 1984 to be orbiting the Sun at a distance of about 95,000 AU (1.5 light-years), somewhat beyond the Oort cloud, explaining a perceived cycle of mass extinctions in the geological record, which seem to occur more often at intervals of 26 million years. As of 2012, over 1800 brown dwarfs have been identified and none of them are inside the Solar System. There are actually fewer brown dwarfs in our cosmic neighborhood than previously thought. Rather than one star for every brown dwarf, there may be as many as six stars for every brown dwarf. The majority of solar-type stars are single.

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Date: 21/01/2016 23:13:46
From: dv
ID: 834486
Subject: re: Astronomers Claim Neptune-sized Planet Lurks Beyond Pluto

mollwollfumble said:

Unless Bubblecar has access to raw Spitzer results, that’s unlikely.

He’s a resourceful fellow, lots of contacts

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Date: 21/01/2016 23:17:29
From: sibeen
ID: 834489
Subject: re: Astronomers Claim Neptune-sized Planet Lurks Beyond Pluto

dv said:


mollwollfumble said:

Unless Bubblecar has access to raw Spitzer results, that’s unlikely.

He’s a resourceful fellow, lots of contacts

Rat cunning.

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Date: 22/01/2016 05:14:20
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 834573
Subject: re: Astronomers Claim Neptune-sized Planet Lurks Beyond Pluto

> There are actually fewer brown dwarfs in our cosmic neighborhood than previously thought.

Fewer! The third and fourth nearest star systems to us together contain three brown dwarfs.

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Date: 22/01/2016 08:42:17
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 834607
Subject: re: Astronomers Claim Neptune-sized Planet Lurks Beyond Pluto

Peak Warming Man said:


I hope Bubblecar doesn’t see it first.

Oh I don’t know.

I think Bubblecar would be a better name for a new planet than Mollwollfumble.

(No offense to either party intended :))

Actually Dodgson would be a pretty good name for a hard to see planet, but it will have to be a different Dodgson.

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Date: 24/01/2016 15:58:53
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 835501
Subject: re: Astronomers Claim Neptune-sized Planet Lurks Beyond Pluto

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Date: 24/01/2016 16:01:18
From: wookiemeister
ID: 835506
Subject: re: Astronomers Claim Neptune-sized Planet Lurks Beyond Pluto

i saw a fireball about 4 (?) weeks ago

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