Date: 28/01/2016 00:54:57
From: dv
ID: 837373
Subject: Statistics and safety: Flint water crisis

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-went-wrong-in-flint-water-crisis-michigan/
What Went Wrong In Flint

Officials at the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, the agency in charge of making sure water is safe in the state, made a series of decisions that had disastrous consequences:

Against federal guidelines, they chose not to require the Flint water plant to use optimized corrosion control, despite telling the Environmental Protection Agency they were doing so in an email on Feb. 27, 2015.
They took few samples and took them from the wrong places, using a protocol known to miss important sources of lead, which some say didn’t comply with a 25-year-old law meant to prevent lead exposure in residential water.
They threw out two samples whose inclusion would have put more than 10 percent of the tests above what’s known as the “actionable level” of lead, 15 parts per billion. Had the DEQ not done so, the city would have been required to warn residents that there was a problem with lead in the water back in the summer of 2015, or possibly earlier.

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Date: 28/01/2016 07:32:30
From: roughbarked
ID: 837407
Subject: re: Statistics and safety: Flint water crisis

Don’t follow the lead of the bright sparks?

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Date: 28/01/2016 08:22:04
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 837415
Subject: re: Statistics and safety: Flint water crisis

I hope those responsible are held to account for the fraud (assuming the report is accurate).

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Date: 28/01/2016 08:22:05
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 837416
Subject: re: Statistics and safety: Flint water crisis

I hope those responsible are held to account for the fraud (assuming the report is accurate).

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Date: 28/01/2016 08:54:08
From: wookiemeister
ID: 837431
Subject: re: Statistics and safety: Flint water crisis

when you take water samples you take them in a way that minimises the chance of a bad result

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Date: 28/01/2016 08:59:41
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 837433
Subject: re: Statistics and safety: Flint water crisis

wookiemeister said:


when you take water samples you take them in a way that minimises the chance of a bad result

Maybe you do.

I don’t.

In fact I don’t take water samples at all, but if I did I would do it in whatever way would maximise the probability of detecting whatever it was I was testing for.

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Date: 28/01/2016 09:00:35
From: wookiemeister
ID: 837434
Subject: re: Statistics and safety: Flint water crisis

The Rev Dodgson said:


wookiemeister said:

when you take water samples you take them in a way that minimises the chance of a bad result

Maybe you do.

I don’t.

In fact I don’t take water samples at all, but if I did I would do it in whatever way would maximise the probability of detecting whatever it was I was testing for.


it depends who you work for

if you work for lunatics……………

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Date: 28/01/2016 09:02:37
From: wookiemeister
ID: 837437
Subject: re: Statistics and safety: Flint water crisis

you are between a rock and a hard place

management often puts you in a position of having to poison people and take all the responsibility or lose your job

from my experiences I try to drink bottled water

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Date: 28/01/2016 09:02:50
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 837438
Subject: re: Statistics and safety: Flint water crisis

wookiemeister said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

wookiemeister said:

when you take water samples you take them in a way that minimises the chance of a bad result

Maybe you do.

I don’t.

In fact I don’t take water samples at all, but if I did I would do it in whatever way would maximise the probability of detecting whatever it was I was testing for.


it depends who you work for

if you work for lunatics……………

No, it doesn’t.

If you work for some organisation that requires you to do illegal stuff then you leave and go and work somewhere else.

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Date: 28/01/2016 09:04:20
From: wookiemeister
ID: 837439
Subject: re: Statistics and safety: Flint water crisis

The Rev Dodgson said:


wookiemeister said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Maybe you do.

I don’t.

In fact I don’t take water samples at all, but if I did I would do it in whatever way would maximise the probability of detecting whatever it was I was testing for.


it depends who you work for

if you work for lunatics……………

No, it doesn’t.

If you work for some organisation that requires you to do illegal stuff then you leave and go and work somewhere else.


yep that’s more or less the plan

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Date: 28/01/2016 09:04:36
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 837440
Subject: re: Statistics and safety: Flint water crisis

wookiemeister said:


you are between a rock and a hard place

management often puts you in a position of having to poison people and take all the responsibility or lose your job

from my experiences I try to drink bottled water

I have never been put in that position, and if I had been I would have been happy to lose that job.

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Date: 28/01/2016 09:09:23
From: wookiemeister
ID: 837441
Subject: re: Statistics and safety: Flint water crisis

The Rev Dodgson said:


wookiemeister said:

you are between a rock and a hard place

management often puts you in a position of having to poison people and take all the responsibility or lose your job

from my experiences I try to drink bottled water

I have never been put in that position, and if I had been I would have been happy to lose that job.


it’s stressful if you are paying a mortgage

I’ll be going back to employment in the near future but not in Hell’s Kitchen where I live

the water job I had was easy but made worse by insane managers , they’d be at you for maintaining MSDS folders you had no control or responsibility for , for the last 20 years yet think nothing of poisoning the public

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Date: 28/01/2016 09:12:15
From: wookiemeister
ID: 837443
Subject: re: Statistics and safety: Flint water crisis

if I had a free hand I would have told them to fuck off and reported them to an agency

unfortunately at the bottom of the chain you bear all the blame

at one point some stupid bitch told me to turn off the water supply to a city

if she had pushed the point I would have snuck back and turned the water back on when she left

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Date: 28/01/2016 09:38:21
From: dv
ID: 837448
Subject: re: Statistics and safety: Flint water crisis

The Rev Dodgson said:


I hope those responsible are held to account for the fraud (assuming the report is accurate).

And perhaps charged with something graver than fraud

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Date: 28/01/2016 09:43:16
From: roughbarked
ID: 837449
Subject: re: Statistics and safety: Flint water crisis

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

I hope those responsible are held to account for the fraud (assuming the report is accurate).

And perhaps charged with something graver than fraud

Now that would make sense. History though doesn’t display a lot of that.

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Date: 28/01/2016 11:36:56
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 837500
Subject: re: Statistics and safety: Flint water crisis

The Rev Dodgson said:


wookiemeister said:

when you take water samples you take them in a way that minimises the chance of a bad result

Maybe you do.

I don’t.

In fact I don’t take water samples at all, but if I did I would do it in whatever way would maximise the probability of detecting whatever it was I was testing for.


I’ve only taken water samples for water quality testing twice. In both cases I had good reason to believe that the water was contaminated, and in both cases it was, the first with copper and the second with bleach.

When it comes to water supply, in 99 out of 100 cases the water develops a strange or foul taste before it becomes dangerous to consume. So you can rely on consumer complaints to tell you if the water quality is off. Biological contamination is always more dangerous than pure chemical contamination.

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