Tony Abbott and the right to dissent from the new morality

Ironically, the reaction to Tony Abbott’s decision to speak to the Alliance Defending Freedom proves that group right when it claims that our religious freedoms are under threat as never before, writes Michael Jensen.

Freedom of religion?

It has to be written with a question mark these days, because there is no guarantee that in a Western democracy in the 21st century you will be able to exercise it.

A new censorship has arisen which threatens the right of individuals and groups to dissent from the new morality. Oppose abortion? Unthinkable. Suggest that people who aren’t born with wombs but who want to call themselves ‘women’ aren’t actually women? Disgusting. Argue dispassionately that the definition of marriage is between a man and a woman? You should be ashamed of yourself.

Tony Abbott is going over to the US to support an organisation that violates other peoples rights

What gives people who follow a religion the right to violate other peoples rights?

western religion continually attacks 3 basic human rights

the right for a women to have an abortion

gay marriage rights

the right for people to have euthanasia

Why?

Why do they want other people to conform to their way of thinking?

Dont they understand human rights, or do they want to ignore human rights?

Meh, it’s just reflecting back what they project. Sex outside of marriage is sinful, being gay is sinful, and so on. People who do these things have fallen short of the glory of the magical sky-pixie and are not as worthy as those that observe these taboos.

I’m fed up with the medieval mysticism bullshit train

The Alliance Defending Freedom attacks other peoples rights

it is committing acts of crime

CrazyNeutrino said:

I’m fed up with the medieval mysticism bullshit train

I just simply don’t give a shit anymore. I don’t even bother arguing religion with religious people, I just don’t care for their POV and reason for being.

Freedom of a religion to discriminate against other people

Freedom of a religion to abuse other peoples rights

Freedom to harass other people to follow their way of thinking

So where is the Law when it comes to dealing with these people?

so do we just have to put up with their shit?

Religious freedom contempts the law!

Obviously he’s got a right to do this. Everyone else has a right to call him a dickhead numbnuts for doing this.

Srsly.

Freedom probably shouldn’t include the freedom to prevent a specific group of people having the same freedoms you already have, culture, religion are no excuse.

dv said:

Obviously he’s got a right to do this. Everyone else has a right to call him a dickhead numbnuts for doing this.

Srsly.

Fact file: Can ‘hate preachers’ be banned from entering Australia?

What makes Alliance Defending Freedom different from other groups that violate peoples rights?

Can be ban Tony from re-entering Australia ?

CrazyNeutrino said:

dv said:

Obviously he’s got a right to do this. Everyone else has a right to call him a dickhead numbnuts for doing this.

Srsly.

Fact file: Can ‘hate preachers’ be banned from entering Australia?

What makes Alliance Defending Freedom different from other groups that violate peoples rights?

Can be ban Tony from re-entering Australia ?

Tony Abbott can speak to who ever he fuckin well pleases numb nuts

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

dv said:

Obviously he’s got a right to do this. Everyone else has a right to call him a dickhead numbnuts for doing this.

Srsly.

Fact file: Can ‘hate preachers’ be banned from entering Australia?

What makes Alliance Defending Freedom different from other groups that violate peoples rights?

Can be ban Tony from re-entering Australia ?

Tony Abbott can speak to who ever he fuckin well pleases numb nuts

and bikies in Queensland ?

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Fact file: Can ‘hate preachers’ be banned from entering Australia?

What makes Alliance Defending Freedom different from other groups that violate peoples rights?

Can be ban Tony from re-entering Australia ?

Tony Abbott can speak to who ever he fuckin well pleases numb nuts

and bikies in Queensland ?

Tony Abbott is visiting an organisation that violates women’s rights

Alliance Defending Freedom, attacks women s rights

it seems they have the Freedom to attacks other peoples rights

What Do You Know about Human Rights Observer

CrazyNeutrino said:

dv said:

Obviously he’s got a right to do this. Everyone else has a right to call him a dickhead numbnuts for doing this.

Srsly.

Fact file: Can ‘hate preachers’ be banned from entering Australia?

What makes Alliance Defending Freedom different from other groups that violate peoples rights?

Can be ban Tony from re-entering Australia ?

I am not a fan of guilt by association.

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

dv said:

Obviously he’s got a right to do this. Everyone else has a right to call him a dickhead numbnuts for doing this.

Srsly.

Fact file: Can ‘hate preachers’ be banned from entering Australia?

What makes Alliance Defending Freedom different from other groups that violate peoples rights?

Can be ban Tony from re-entering Australia ?

Tony Abbott can speak to who ever he fuckin well pleases numb nuts

Be careful TO, if you go down the dark path forever will it dominate your destiny

CrazyNeutrino said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

Tony Abbott can speak to who ever he fuckin well pleases numb nuts

and bikies in Queensland ?

Tony Abbott is visiting an organisation that violates women’s rights

Alliance Defending Freedom, attacks women s rights

it seems they have the Freedom to attacks other peoples rights

What Do You Know about Human Rights Observer

we let people of a religion into this country that condones homo sexual murder & circumcision young girls.

why don’t you make a stand against that you hypocritical little grub

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

and bikies in Queensland ?

Tony Abbott is visiting an organisation that violates women’s rights

Alliance Defending Freedom, attacks women s rights

it seems they have the Freedom to attacks other peoples rights

What Do You Know about Human Rights Observer

we let people of a religion into this country that condones homo sexual murder & circumcision young girls.

why don’t you make a stand against that you hypocritical little grub

I do, I abhor murder and genital mutilation

You can stop being pretentious

Clutching at straws Observer?

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

dv said:

Obviously he’s got a right to do this. Everyone else has a right to call him a dickhead numbnuts for doing this.

Srsly.

Fact file: Can ‘hate preachers’ be banned from entering Australia?

What makes Alliance Defending Freedom different from other groups that violate peoples rights?

Can be ban Tony from re-entering Australia ?

Tony Abbott can speak to who ever he fuckin well pleases numb nuts

Not if he tries to talk to me because his nuts will surely suffer and therefore he’dbe bent over wishing they would go numb.

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Fact file: Can ‘hate preachers’ be banned from entering Australia?

What makes Alliance Defending Freedom different from other groups that violate peoples rights?

Can be ban Tony from re-entering Australia ?

Tony Abbott can speak to who ever he fuckin well pleases numb nuts

Not if he tries to talk to me because his nuts will surely suffer and therefore he’dbe bent over wishing they would go numb.

he’d put you on your arse before you knew what hit ya son

I though all of us on this forum brook no religious or cultural excuses for freedom repression and that includes our own Western culture not just ones we aren’t associated with

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Tony Abbott is visiting an organisation that violates women’s rights

Alliance Defending Freedom, attacks women s rights

it seems they have the Freedom to attacks other peoples rights

What Do You Know about Human Rights Observer

we let people of a religion into this country that condones homo sexual murder & circumcision young girls.

why don’t you make a stand against that you hypocritical little grub

I do, I abhor murder and genital mutilation

You can stop being pretentious

Clutching at straws Observer?

stop bullshitting crazy, you are always attacking christianity & never a word against islam which leaves the jesus mob for dead when it comes to the rights of other humans & woman.

your a lefty wanker crazy, & attacking christianity is an typical lefty agenda

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

Tony Abbott can speak to who ever he fuckin well pleases numb nuts

Not if he tries to talk to me because his nuts will surely suffer and therefore he’dbe bent over wishing they would go numb.

he’d put you on your arse before you knew what hit ya son

What a pile of crud.

Cymek said:

I though all of us on this forum brook no religious or cultural excuses for freedom repression and that includes our own Western culture not just ones we aren’t associated with

its a behaviour I find interesting

a behaviour that can be observed

so is scientific in that sense

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

we let people of a religion into this country that condones homo sexual murder & circumcision young girls.

why don’t you make a stand against that you hypocritical little grub

I do, I abhor murder and genital mutilation

You can stop being pretentious

Clutching at straws Observer?

stop bullshitting crazy, you are always attacking christianity & never a word against islam which leaves the jesus mob for dead when it comes to the rights of other humans & woman.

your a lefty wanker crazy, & attacking christianity is an typical lefty agenda

Do you ever proof read what you say?

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

Not if he tries to talk to me because his nuts will surely suffer and therefore he’dbe bent over wishing they would go numb.

he’d put you on your arse before you knew what hit ya son

What a pile of crud.

What a pile of Krudd

fixed

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

we let people of a religion into this country that condones homo sexual murder & circumcision young girls.

why don’t you make a stand against that you hypocritical little grub

I do, I abhor murder and genital mutilation

You can stop being pretentious

Clutching at straws Observer?

stop bullshitting crazy, you are always attacking christianity & never a word against islam which leaves the jesus mob for dead when it comes to the rights of other humans & woman.

your a lefty wanker crazy, & attacking christianity is an typical lefty agenda

The worry with having a go at Islam is being deemed a racist by the PC mob even when your argument is sound and valid and their practices are in violation of human rights

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I do, I abhor murder and genital mutilation

You can stop being pretentious

Clutching at straws Observer?

stop bullshitting crazy, you are always attacking christianity & never a word against islam which leaves the jesus mob for dead when it comes to the rights of other humans & woman.

your a lefty wanker crazy, & attacking christianity is an typical lefty agenda

Do you ever proof read what you say?

oh here goes the walking spellcheck with a mouth

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

he’d put you on your arse before you knew what hit ya son

What a pile of crud.

What a pile of Krudd

fixed

So your real name is T_A?

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

stop bullshitting crazy, you are always attacking christianity & never a word against islam which leaves the jesus mob for dead when it comes to the rights of other humans & woman.

your a lefty wanker crazy, & attacking christianity is an typical lefty agenda

Do you ever proof read what you say?

oh here goes the walking spellcheck with a mouth

^ He’s drunk in the middle of the day?

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

we let people of a religion into this country that condones homo sexual murder & circumcision young girls.

why don’t you make a stand against that you hypocritical little grub

I do, I abhor murder and genital mutilation

You can stop being pretentious

Clutching at straws Observer?

stop bullshitting crazy, you are always attacking christianity & never a word against islam which leaves the jesus mob for dead when it comes to the rights of other humans & woman.

your a lefty wanker crazy, & attacking christianity is an typical lefty agenda

never a word against islam?

then you haven’t been following me on the forum very well, poor observation, observer

Ive said on this forum that

Islam is a religion that needs to follow the UN charter on human rights

all Religions need to follow the UN charter on human rights

Cymek said:

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I do, I abhor murder and genital mutilation

You can stop being pretentious

Clutching at straws Observer?

stop bullshitting crazy, you are always attacking christianity & never a word against islam which leaves the jesus mob for dead when it comes to the rights of other humans & woman.

your a lefty wanker crazy, & attacking christianity is an typical lefty agenda

The worry with having a go at Islam is being deemed a racist by the PC mob even when your argument is sound and valid and their practices are in violation of human rights

YES

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

What a pile of crud.

What a pile of Krudd

fixed

So your real name is T_A?

like an autograph

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

Do you ever proof read what you say?

oh here goes the walking spellcheck with a mouth

^ He’s drunk in the middle of the day?

I must be to talk to you

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

oh here goes the walking spellcheck with a mouth

^ He’s drunk in the middle of the day?

I must be to talk to you

An admission is what it is.

Cymek said:

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I do, I abhor murder and genital mutilation

You can stop being pretentious

Clutching at straws Observer?

stop bullshitting crazy, you are always attacking christianity & never a word against islam which leaves the jesus mob for dead when it comes to the rights of other humans & woman.

your a lefty wanker crazy, & attacking christianity is an typical lefty agenda

The worry with having a go at Islam is being deemed a racist by the PC mob even when your argument is sound and valid and their practices are in violation of human rights

I think the government needs a Royal Commission into religion

with a view towards religious reform adopting the UN charter on Human rights into their teachings

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I do, I abhor murder and genital mutilation

You can stop being pretentious

Clutching at straws Observer?

stop bullshitting crazy, you are always attacking christianity & never a word against islam which leaves the jesus mob for dead when it comes to the rights of other humans & woman.

your a lefty wanker crazy, & attacking christianity is an typical lefty agenda

never a word against islam?

then you haven’t been following me on the forum very well, poor observation, observer

Ive said on this forum that

Islam is a religion that needs to follow the UN charter on human rights

all Religions need to follow the UN charter on human rights

No I follow well. Not a mention of islam in the thread

You are acting the fake outrage because TA is speaking to some mob who want to protect their religious rights, which don’t include murdering homo’s or circumcising young girls.

Yet you are hateful of any aussie who is even the slightest bit apprehensive about further muslim immigration, a religion that actively murders people for being homo, circumcisies young girls, treats woman as second class citizens & worse, & put to death any muslim who wants to leave the muslim faith

your full of shit, mate

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

^ He’s drunk in the middle of the day?

I must be to talk to you

An admission is what it is.

well I could be drunk, if I choose to be, but I’m not, but, you use the false accusation to fight your battle in any case

& I do know your a pot head scum, so be careful

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

stop bullshitting crazy, you are always attacking christianity & never a word against islam which leaves the jesus mob for dead when it comes to the rights of other humans & woman.

your a lefty wanker crazy, & attacking christianity is an typical lefty agenda

never a word against islam?

then you haven’t been following me on the forum very well, poor observation, observer

Ive said on this forum that

Islam is a religion that needs to follow the UN charter on human rights

all Religions need to follow the UN charter on human rights

No I follow well. Not a mention of islam in the thread

You are acting the fake outrage because TA is speaking to some mob who want to protect their religious rights, which don’t include murdering homo’s or circumcising young girls.

Yet you are hateful of any aussie who is even the slightest bit apprehensive about further muslim immigration, a religion that actively murders people for being homo, circumcisies young girls, treats woman as second class citizens & worse, & put to death any muslim who wants to leave the muslim faith

your full of shit, mate

Perhaps most muslims that come here are trying escape all of the above and become progressive. The worry with immigration is it seems to be going back to a white Australia policy.

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

I must be to talk to you

An admission is what it is.

well I could be drunk, if I choose to be, but I’m not, but, you use the false accusation to fight your battle in any case

& I do know your a pot head scum, so be careful

Why are pot heads scum ?
Cannabis banning is a cultural thing you know

And Crazy, I’m a conservative, but I don’t believe in God

My wife was born with a womb & vagina, that makes he a woman, no matter what!

I don’t have a womb, or a vagina, & I was born with a penis & testicles & that makes me a man, no matter what.

I can understand that some woman what to have abortions, & I can understand that some woman are against it

I understand that some people want gay marriage legalised, & I can understand that some people disagree.

You should try understanding that different people have different views for different reasons & you should just fuck off & shut your trap

& keep your intolerence to yourself

CrazyNeutrino said:

Cymek said:

The_observer said:

stop bullshitting crazy, you are always attacking christianity & never a word against islam which leaves the jesus mob for dead when it comes to the rights of other humans & woman.

your a lefty wanker crazy, & attacking christianity is an typical lefty agenda

The worry with having a go at Islam is being deemed a racist by the PC mob even when your argument is sound and valid and their practices are in violation of human rights

I think the government needs a Royal Commission into religion

with a view towards religious reform adopting the UN charter on Human rights into their teachings

People are becoming more aware of their rights

we see religions that apparently still have the power to attack other peoples freedoms violating other peoples rights ( Abortion, Euthanasia, Gay marriage)

all of which do not concern religious people anyway,

religious people harassing gays are not gays, Gays are other people born that way.

religious people preventing people from accessing Euthanasia, people who want Euthanasia for their own reasons

religious people harassing women who want abortions, Women who want abortions for their own reasons

there has to be a point where the law say to these religious people

Obey the law and stop harassing other people rights

Cymek said:

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

An admission is what it is.

well I could be drunk, if I choose to be, but I’m not, but, you use the false accusation to fight your battle in any case

& I do know your a pot head scum, so be careful

Why are pot heads scum ?
Cannabis banning is a cultural thing you know

the scum bit is a reaction to someone falsely accusing me of being drunk because they don’t like to hear my opinion

and the fact that the person doing the accusing is a person who smokes illegal drugs is rather ridiculous

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

stop bullshitting crazy, you are always attacking christianity & never a word against islam which leaves the jesus mob for dead when it comes to the rights of other humans & woman.

your a lefty wanker crazy, & attacking christianity is an typical lefty agenda

never a word against islam?

then you haven’t been following me on the forum very well, poor observation, observer

Ive said on this forum that

Islam is a religion that needs to follow the UN charter on human rights

all Religions need to follow the UN charter on human rights

No I follow well. Not a mention of islam in the thread

You are acting the fake outrage because TA is speaking to some mob who want to protect their religious rights, which don’t include murdering homo’s or circumcising young girls.

Yet you are hateful of any aussie who is even the slightest bit apprehensive about further muslim immigration, a religion that actively murders people for being homo, circumcisies young girls, treats woman as second class citizens & worse, & put to death any muslim who wants to leave the muslim faith

your full of shit, mate

Still Straw Clutching?

The_observer said:

And Crazy, I’m a conservative, but I don’t believe in God

My wife was born with a womb & vagina, that makes he a woman, no matter what!

I don’t have a womb, or a vagina, & I was born with a penis & testicles & that makes me a man, no matter what.

I can understand that some woman what to have abortions, & I can understand that some woman are against it

I understand that some people want gay marriage legalised, & I can understand that some people disagree.

You should try understanding that different people have different views for different reasons & you should just fuck off & shut your trap

& keep your intolerence to yourself

no point getting childish

I tolerate religious people in my family and in public

The_observer said:

Cymek said:

The_observer said:

well I could be drunk, if I choose to be, but I’m not, but, you use the false accusation to fight your battle in any case

& I do know your a pot head scum, so be careful

Why are pot heads scum ?
Cannabis banning is a cultural thing you know

the scum bit is a reaction to someone falsely accusing me of being drunk because they don’t like to hear my opinion

and the fact that the person doing the accusing is a person who smokes illegal drugs is rather ridiculous

well your writing seems to be drunk

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

never a word against islam?

then you haven’t been following me on the forum very well, poor observation, observer

Ive said on this forum that

Islam is a religion that needs to follow the UN charter on human rights

all Religions need to follow the UN charter on human rights

No I follow well. Not a mention of islam in the thread

You are acting the fake outrage because TA is speaking to some mob who want to protect their religious rights, which don’t include murdering homo’s or circumcising young girls.

Yet you are hateful of any aussie who is even the slightest bit apprehensive about further muslim immigration, a religion that actively murders people for being homo, circumcisies young girls, treats woman as second class citizens & worse, & put to death any muslim who wants to leave the muslim faith

your full of shit, mate

Still Straw Clutching?

What if TA was OS speaking to some muslim mob, should we be outraged by that? should we suggest he not be let back into australia?

full of shit you r czy

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

And Crazy, I’m a conservative, but I don’t believe in God

My wife was born with a womb & vagina, that makes he a woman, no matter what!

I don’t have a womb, or a vagina, & I was born with a penis & testicles & that makes me a man, no matter what.

I can understand that some woman what to have abortions, & I can understand that some woman are against it

I understand that some people want gay marriage legalised, & I can understand that some people disagree.

You should try understanding that different people have different views for different reasons & you should just fuck off & shut your trap

& keep your intolerence to yourself

no point getting childish

I tolerate religious people in my family and in public

Oh, so your only an anti christrian zeolot here then

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

Cymek said:

Why are pot heads scum ?
Cannabis banning is a cultural thing you know

the scum bit is a reaction to someone falsely accusing me of being drunk because they don’t like to hear my opinion

and the fact that the person doing the accusing is a person who smokes illegal drugs is rather ridiculous

well your writing seems to be drunk

well, you would know

The_observer said:

And Crazy, I’m a conservative, but I don’t believe in God

My wife was born with a womb & vagina, that makes he a woman, no matter what!

I don’t have a womb, or a vagina, & I was born with a penis & testicles & that makes me a man, no matter what.

I can understand that some woman what to have abortions, & I can understand that some woman are against it

I understand that some people want gay marriage legalised, & I can understand that some people disagree.

You should try understanding that different people have different views for different reasons & you should just fuck off & shut your trap

& keep your intolerence to yourself

Do you not find it rather silly though that people go out of their way to stop gays getting married, someone having an abortion, transgender people being labelled as deviant and so on.

Cymek said:

The_observer said:

And Crazy, I’m a conservative, but I don’t believe in God

My wife was born with a womb & vagina, that makes he a woman, no matter what!

I don’t have a womb, or a vagina, & I was born with a penis & testicles & that makes me a man, no matter what.

I can understand that some woman what to have abortions, & I can understand that some woman are against it

I understand that some people want gay marriage legalised, & I can understand that some people disagree.

You should try understanding that different people have different views for different reasons & you should just fuck off & shut your trap

& keep your intolerence to yourself

Do you not find it rather silly though that people go out of their way to stop gays getting married, someone having an abortion, transgender people being labelled as deviant and so on.

It seems, these days there is always one group or another extremely outraged by what ever & everything & they outrage loud

I’m outraged about being outraged by others outrage

I’m outraged about that

enough outrage for one day

The_observer said:

Cymek said:

The_observer said:

And Crazy, I’m a conservative, but I don’t believe in God

My wife was born with a womb & vagina, that makes he a woman, no matter what!

I don’t have a womb, or a vagina, & I was born with a penis & testicles & that makes me a man, no matter what.

I can understand that some woman what to have abortions, & I can understand that some woman are against it

I understand that some people want gay marriage legalised, & I can understand that some people disagree.

You should try understanding that different people have different views for different reasons & you should just fuck off & shut your trap

& keep your intolerence to yourself

Do you not find it rather silly though that people go out of their way to stop gays getting married, someone having an abortion, transgender people being labelled as deviant and so on.

It seems, these days there is always one group or another extremely outraged by what ever & everything & they outrage loud

Yes and often the outraged are the real racists as they assume the group they are outraged on behalf of will be upset when they haven’t actually asked them. Over the top PC people fall into this group, oh you can’t have a go at Islam we should be tolerant, no we shouldn’t be tolerant of their beliefs that repress others.

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

No I follow well. Not a mention of islam in the thread

You are acting the fake outrage because TA is speaking to some mob who want to protect their religious rights, which don’t include murdering homo’s or circumcising young girls.

Yet you are hateful of any aussie who is even the slightest bit apprehensive about further muslim immigration, a religion that actively murders people for being homo, circumcisies young girls, treats woman as second class citizens & worse, & put to death any muslim who wants to leave the muslim faith

your full of shit, mate

Still Straw Clutching?

What if TA was OS speaking to some muslim mob, should we be outraged by that? should we suggest he not be let back into australia?

full of shit you r czy

Tony is giving the shits, yes.

Tony is going over to talk to an organisation “Alliance Defending Freedom” that violates women rights

someone who violates women’s rights is of bad character

from

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-13/dreyfus-on-visas-for-islamic-preachers/5801022

has or had an association with someone else, or with a group or organisation, who the Minister reasonably suspects has been involved in criminal conduct;

well Alliance Defending Freedom is directly involved with criminal conduct, it violates women’s rights

based on that alone we could ban him from re-enterting Australia

Muslims have a bad track record with women’s rights too

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

And Crazy, I’m a conservative, but I don’t believe in God

My wife was born with a womb & vagina, that makes he a woman, no matter what!

I don’t have a womb, or a vagina, & I was born with a penis & testicles & that makes me a man, no matter what.

I can understand that some woman what to have abortions, & I can understand that some woman are against it

I understand that some people want gay marriage legalised, & I can understand that some people disagree.

You should try understanding that different people have different views for different reasons & you should just fuck off & shut your trap

& keep your intolerence to yourself

no point getting childish

I tolerate religious people in my family and in public

Oh, so your only an anti christrian zeolot here then

Ive spoken out against Islam on this forum before

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

the scum bit is a reaction to someone falsely accusing me of being drunk because they don’t like to hear my opinion

and the fact that the person doing the accusing is a person who smokes illegal drugs is rather ridiculous

well your writing seems to be drunk

well, you would know

I dont get drunk

its pointless

Cymek said:

The_observer said:

And Crazy, I’m a conservative, but I don’t believe in God

My wife was born with a womb & vagina, that makes he a woman, no matter what!

I don’t have a womb, or a vagina, & I was born with a penis & testicles & that makes me a man, no matter what.

I can understand that some woman what to have abortions, & I can understand that some woman are against it

I understand that some people want gay marriage legalised, & I can understand that some people disagree.

You should try understanding that different people have different views for different reasons & you should just fuck off & shut your trap

& keep your intolerence to yourself

Do you not find it rather silly though that people go out of their way to stop gays getting married, someone having an abortion, transgender people being labelled as deviant and so on.

These religious people go out of their way to harass others based on 2000 year old medieval mysticism, they do look silly, yes.

What the problem is right there in the question, what is required is freedom FROM religion not freedom OF religion.

bob(from black rock) said:

What the problem is right there in the question, what is required is freedom FROM religion not freedom OF religion.

what is required from religion is the freedom to practice their beliefs but not force it onto others

and as you say let others be free of religion and religion lets them to be free

others non religious have to let people believe in what they want

Religious people can believe in what they want, so long as it does not conflict with other peoples rights

this is where religion fails, over and over

they continue to harass people who do not share their views

Tony Abbott is supporting an organisation that violates women rights, this Alliance defending freedom, has a freedom to attacks women’s rights,

what sort of freedom is that?

This group of People calling themselves Alliance defending freedom

they belong in jail

thats what happens if you violate other peoples rights

CrazyNeutrino said:

bob(from black rock) said:

What the problem is right there in the question, what is required is freedom FROM religion not freedom OF religion.

what is required from religion is the freedom to practice their beliefs but not force it onto others

and as you say let others be free of religion and religion lets them to be free

others non religious have to let people believe in what they want

Religious people can believe in what they want, so long as it does not conflict with other peoples rights

this is where religion fails, over and over

they continue to harass people who do not share their views

Tony Abbott is supporting an organisation that violates women rights, this Alliance defending freedom, has a freedom to attacks women’s rights,

what sort of freedom is that?

The freedom from the truth and common sense.

bob(from black rock) said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

bob(from black rock) said:

What the problem is right there in the question, what is required is freedom FROM religion not freedom OF religion.

what is required from religion is the freedom to practice their beliefs but not force it onto others

and as you say let others be free of religion and religion lets them to be free

others non religious have to let people believe in what they want

Religious people can believe in what they want, so long as it does not conflict with other peoples rights

this is where religion fails, over and over

they continue to harass people who do not share their views

Tony Abbott is supporting an organisation that violates women rights, this Alliance defending freedom, has a freedom to attacks women’s rights,

what sort of freedom is that?

The freedom from the truth and common sense.

They are free to be foolish.

The abortion debate is a very complex one.
I;ve grappled with it and still cant resolve, both sides have very good arguments.
Everybody on both sides have the right to express their views.
The OP adds nothing to the debate, it’s just a philosophical rant from an intolerant bigoted dope addled brian.

The article is codswallop. No-one is suggesting that people can’t hold and express whatever views they like. But they have to be prepared to be criticised by people who emphatically disagree with those views, who have a perfect right to express their opinions, too.

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

I must be to talk to you

An admission is what it is.

well I could be drunk, if I choose to be, but I’m not, but, you use the false accusation to fight your battle in any case

& I do know your a pot head scum, so be careful

AFAIK, you talk through your arse.

The_observer said:

Cymek said:

The_observer said:

well I could be drunk, if I choose to be, but I’m not, but, you use the false accusation to fight your battle in any case

& I do know your a pot head scum, so be careful

Why are pot heads scum ?
Cannabis banning is a cultural thing you know

the scum bit is a reaction to someone falsely accusing me of being drunk because they don’t like to hear my opinion

and the fact that the person doing the accusing is a person who smokes illegal drugs is rather ridiculous

You are the one who said you had to be drunk. I made no accusations, simply that I concurred with your own comment.

The_observer said:

Cymek said:

The_observer said:

well I could be drunk, if I choose to be, but I’m not, but, you use the false accusation to fight your battle in any case

& I do know your a pot head scum, so be careful

Why are pot heads scum ?
Cannabis banning is a cultural thing you know

the scum bit is a reaction to someone falsely accusing me of being drunk because they don’t like to hear my opinion

and the fact that the person doing the accusing is a person who smokes illegal drugs is rather ridiculous

Hang on a bit. Where did you get the impression that I smoke illegal drugs? That aside, even if that was the case it is as much my right as anyone to fabricate a religious group. It is true that I am a founding memer of the Church of the Sixth Genesis.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/844803208917464/844806212250497/?notif_t=group_activity

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

No I follow well. Not a mention of islam in the thread

You are acting the fake outrage because TA is speaking to some mob who want to protect their religious rights, which don’t include murdering homo’s or circumcising young girls.

Yet you are hateful of any aussie who is even the slightest bit apprehensive about further muslim immigration, a religion that actively murders people for being homo, circumcisies young girls, treats woman as second class citizens & worse, & put to death any muslim who wants to leave the muslim faith

your full of shit, mate

Still Straw Clutching?

What if TA was OS speaking to some muslim mob, should we be outraged by that? should we suggest he not be let back into australia?

full of shit you r czy

TA has spoken to Muslim groups. He did it within Australia. He didn’t need or desire to travel to Syria to preach to radical muslims. He did have to travel to the USA to find ratbag so called Christians though.

dv said:

Obviously he’s got a right to do this. Everyone else has a right to call him a dickhead numbnuts for doing this.

Srsly.

That’s exactly what I was going to say.

(Well not those exact words).

Still, it was somewhat hilarious for TA to say “We need less ideology and more common sense”. In the whole of my life, Australia did not have a less sensible or more ideological government than the Abbott admin.

dv said:

Still, it was somewhat hilarious for TA to say “We need less ideology and more common sense”. In the whole of my life, Australia did not have a less sensible or more ideological government than the Abbott admin.

Need I mention truer words?

dv said:

Still, it was somewhat hilarious for TA to say “We need less ideology and more common sense”. In the whole of my life, Australia did not have a less sensible or more ideological government than the Abbott admin.

OTOH, Howard.

dv said:

Still, it was somewhat hilarious for TA to say “We need less ideology and more common sense”. In the whole of my life, Australia did not have a less sensible or more ideological government than the Abbott admin.

Yeah, do as I say, not as do type situation

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Still, it was somewhat hilarious for TA to say “We need less ideology and more common sense”. In the whole of my life, Australia did not have a less sensible or more ideological government than the Abbott admin.

OTOH, Howard.

Well, yeah but Abbott was like your face shoved in spew on a wall.

Abbott at least had some awareness of the relationship between Australian history and the current problems of the indigenous population. Howard introduced us to the “black armband” method of dismissing historical reality.

And it was Howard that sabotaged the Marriage Act in an attempt to enshrine homophobia as an Aussie virtue, and restrict marriage to straight couples who vote conservative.

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Still, it was somewhat hilarious for TA to say “We need less ideology and more common sense”. In the whole of my life, Australia did not have a less sensible or more ideological government than the Abbott admin.

OTOH, Howard.

Well, yeah but Abbott was like your face shoved in spew on a wall.

Abbott’s legacy as PM was written by you people before he was even elected

Bubblecar said:

Abbott at least had some awareness of the relationship between Australian history and the current problems of the indigenous population. Howard introduced us to the “black armband” method of dismissing historical reality.

And it was Howard that sabotaged the Marriage Act in an attempt to enshrine homophobia as an Aussie virtue, and restrict marriage to straight couples who vote conservative.

Yes but though they both thought they were popular, they missed those who didn’t agree.

• And it was Howard that

took our guns…

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

OTOH, Howard.

Well, yeah but Abbott was like your face shoved in spew on a wall.

Abbott’s legacy as PM was written by you people before he was even elected

That’s because his work was in history well before.

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

OTOH, Howard.

Well, yeah but Abbott was like your face shoved in spew on a wall.

Abbott’s legacy as PM was written by you people before he was even elected

?

furious said:

• And it was Howard that

took our guns…

He’s been adequately thanked for that. But arguably not adequately kicked in the arse for everything else.

furious said:

• And it was Howard that

took our guns…

Which he did in extremely outrageous fashion or so it looked.

The_observer said:

Abbott’s legacy as PM was written by you people before he was even elected

I think he wont have one.

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

Well, yeah but Abbott was like your face shoved in spew on a wall.

Abbott’s legacy as PM was written by you people before he was even elected

Utter tripe.

Most people on both sides of politics were stunned.

roughbarked said:

furious said:

• And it was Howard that

took our guns…

Which he did in extremely outrageous fashion or so it looked.

Seemed a pretty good bit of legislation to me, what did you think outrageous?

Bubblecar said:

furious said:

• And it was Howard that

took our guns…

He’s been adequately thanked for that. But arguably not adequately kicked in the arse for everything else.

How bout that Rudd Gillard Rudd pmship

Oh yeh, more of that please

Lol fuck me

roughbarked said:

furious said:

• And it was Howard that

took our guns…

Which he did in extremely outrageous fashion or so it looked.

By our guns, I presume you mean yours. There are just as many still out there that only show up when a crime is committed.

the only outrageous thing howard did re the guns was appear before a bunch of cockies in a flak jacket. whoever advised him to do that should have been fired.

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

furious said:

• And it was Howard that

took our guns…

Which he did in extremely outrageous fashion or so it looked.

Seemed a pretty good bit of legislation to me, what did you think outrageous?

To be fair. I had nothing against the move. As did most of Australians.

I was amused that he thought he needed to wear a flak jacket, in Australia but he did and that be that.
Outrageous was the amendment to the Magna Carta but it had to be done and only extremists could disagree.

ChrispenEvan said:

the only outrageous thing howard did re the guns was appear before a bunch of cockies in a flak jacket. whoever advised him to do that should have been fired.

There was probably a legitimate evaluation of risk.

AwesomeO said:

ChrispenEvan said:

the only outrageous thing howard did re the guns was appear before a bunch of cockies in a flak jacket. whoever advised him to do that should have been fired.

There was probably a legitimate evaluation of risk.

Minor and observable. Not a lot of risk involved.

There was probably a legitimate evaluation of risk.

done by an engineer who was two OoM out. as usual.

furious said:

• And it was Howard that

took our guns…

took -their_ guns…

And a good thing, too – no, a great thing. Howard’s lasting legacy.

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

ChrispenEvan said:

the only outrageous thing howard did re the guns was appear before a bunch of cockies in a flak jacket. whoever advised him to do that should have been fired.

There was probably a legitimate evaluation of risk.

Minor and observable. Not a lot of risk involved.

Dear oh dear. I have worked in areas that evaluate risk and i laugh at you.

ChrispenEvan said:

the only outrageous thing howard did re the guns was appear before a bunch of cockies in a flak jacket. whoever advised him to do that should have been fired.

Thankfully Australia has no history of assassinating our PMs.

Michael V said:

furious said:

• And it was Howard that

took our guns…

took -their_ guns…

And a good thing, too – no, a great thing. Howard’s lasting legacy.

Guns are guns and it doesn’t need to be said that you should need a legitimate reason and that be at least, sane. To be allowed to play with them.

• took -their_ guns…

“Five-O” said, “Freeze!” and I got numb
Can I tell ‘em that I really never had a gun?

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

the only outrageous thing howard did re the guns was appear before a bunch of cockies in a flak jacket. whoever advised him to do that should have been fired.

Thankfully Australia has no history of assassinating our PMs.

Was it Billy MacMahon?

Mind you he could instead have worn a discreet BPV under his shirt.

furious said:

• took -their_ guns…

“Five-O” said, “Freeze!” and I got numb
Can I tell ‘em that I really never had a gun?

Happiness, is a warm gun. yes it is mama.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

the only outrageous thing howard did re the guns was appear before a bunch of cockies in a flak jacket. whoever advised him to do that should have been fired.

Thankfully Australia has no history of assassinating our PMs.

Was it Billy MacMahon?

There’s Klingons off the starboard bow starboard bow…………………………

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Thankfully Australia has no history of assassinating our PMs.

Was it Billy MacMahon?

There’s Klingons off the starboard bow starboard bow…………………………

Someone pointed a .22 at him but?

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

the only outrageous thing howard did re the guns was appear before a bunch of cockies in a flak jacket. whoever advised him to do that should have been fired.

Thankfully Australia has no history of assassinating our PMs.

how famous do you have to be to be assassinated and not just gunned down or murdered?

Australia is one of the few nations that did not come about by bloodshed, civil war or revolution.
I think that annoys the shit out of the left.

Peak Warming Man said:

Australia is one of the few nations that did not come about by bloodshed, civil war or revolution.
I think that annoys the shit out of the left.

You did say the word, shit. Now read what you said, again.

Peak Warming Man said:

Australia is one of the few nations that did not come about by bloodshed, civil war or revolution.
I think that annoys the shit out of the left.

I think it pisses off everyone.

• I think that annoys the shit out of the left.

That’s why they keep agitating for minorities hoping one takes the bait and rises up…

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Australia is one of the few nations that did not come about by bloodshed, civil war or revolution.
I think that annoys the shit out of the left.

You did say the word, shit. Now read what you said, again.

About the Klingons?

>Australia is one of the few nations that did not come about by bloodshed

The aboriginal population of Tasmania, amongst quite a lot of other people, would beg to differ. If they hadn’t been more-or-less wiped out, that is.

Bubblecar said:

>Australia is one of the few nations that did not come about by bloodshed

The aboriginal population of Tasmania, amongst quite a lot of other people, would beg to differ. If they hadn’t been more-or-less wiped out, that is.

Good point.

we’re the left so we would say that bubblecar.

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Australia is one of the few nations that did not come about by bloodshed, civil war or revolution.
I think that annoys the shit out of the left.

You did say the word, shit. Now read what you said, again.

About the Klingons?

About bloodshed, to say the least.

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Australia is one of the few nations that did not come about by bloodshed, civil war or revolution.
I think that annoys the shit out of the left.

You did say the word, shit. Now read what you said, again.

About the Klingons?

A rather unfortunate name when it comes to talking shit.

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Australia is one of the few nations that did not come about by bloodshed, civil war or revolution.
I think that annoys the shit out of the left.

I think it pisses off everyone.

Really? Not me.

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Australia is one of the few nations that did not come about by bloodshed, civil war or revolution.
I think that annoys the shit out of the left.

I think it pisses off everyone.

Really? Not me.

I think anyone pissed off about peace needs help.

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Australia is one of the few nations that did not come about by bloodshed, civil war or revolution.
I think that annoys the shit out of the left.

I think it pisses off everyone.

Really? Not me.

Fishing is bad here, only the blowies are biting :)

dv said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

I think it pisses off everyone.

Really? Not me.

I think anyone pissed off about peace needs help.

to be sure, I think that is valid.

• only the blowies are biting

You might want to ask for your money back…

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

I think it pisses off everyone.

Really? Not me.

Fishing is bad here, only the blowies are biting :)

Yeah and they usually go to sleep at sundown:)

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

I think it pisses off everyone.

Really? Not me.

Fishing is bad here, only the blowies are biting :)

You need to throw some burley about then.

;)

furious said:

• only the blowies are biting

You might want to ask for your money back…

What about the money?

We are casting lines. Sometimes the hook catches, sometimes the bait and some of the line, just vanishes.

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Really? Not me.

Fishing is bad here, only the blowies are biting :)

You need to throw some burley about then.

;)

Where gonna need a bigger boat.

dv said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Fishing is bad here, only the blowies are biting :)

You need to throw some burley about then.

;)

Where gonna need a bigger boat.

pardon?

Arts said:

dv said:

Michael V said:

You need to throw some burley about then.

;)

Where gonna need a bigger boat.

pardon?

Geez….what have you guys done now?

kii said:

Arts said:

dv said:

Where gonna need a bigger boat.

pardon?

Geez….what have you guys done now?

It wasn’t me, for once.

Arts said:

dv said:

Michael V said:

You need to throw some burley about then.

;)

We’re gonna need a bigger boat.

pardon?

Nothing

Bubblecar said:

>Australia is one of the few nations that did not come about by bloodshed

The aboriginal population of Tasmania, amongst quite a lot of other people, would beg to differ. If they hadn’t been more-or-less wiped out, that is.

Glad someone said it.

:(

dv said:

Arts said:

dv said:

We’re gonna need a bigger boat.

pardon?

Nothing

nice save

kii said:

Bubblecar said:

>Australia is one of the few nations that did not come about by bloodshed

The aboriginal population of Tasmania, amongst quite a lot of other people, would beg to differ. If they hadn’t been more-or-less wiped out, that is.

Glad someone said it.

:(

I’d prefer to think that my shit comment, contributed.

whistles innocently

Kicks stones around

• nice save

Except that it is still wrong…

This dried spaghetti thing is very tricky. but it is at least tasty fun.

Michael V said:

whistles innocently

Kicks stones around

nothing religious on your mind?

furious said:

• nice save

Except that it is still wrong…

We’re gonna kneed a bigger BOTE?

furious said:

• nice save

Except that it is still wrong…

gonna? I believe that’s the quote…

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

whistles innocently

Kicks stones around

nothing religious on your mind?

Not here

nice and relaxed

• gonna? I believe that’s the quote…

I’m fairly sure he says “You’re” not “We’re”…

• gonna? I believe that’s the quote…

I’m fairly sure he says “You’re” not “We’re”…

furious said:

• gonna? I believe that’s the quote…

I’m fairly sure he says “You’re” not “We’re”…

ooh, I think you are right

Arts said:

furious said:

• gonna? I believe that’s the quote…

I’m fairly sure he says “You’re” not “We’re”…

ooh, I think you are right

although a slight variation is palatable…. as long as it’s spelled correctly

TD: What seems to be the problem?

RS: My husband.

TD: Your husband?

RS: Didn’t you read my message? My husband, yes. My husband is dying.

N: Something wrong?

TD: I think I’m going to need a bigger flowchart.

Arts said:

Arts said:

furious said:

• gonna? I believe that’s the quote…

I’m fairly sure he says “You’re” not “We’re”…

ooh, I think you are right

although a slight variation is palatable…. as long as it’s spelled correctly

Hmm spelled or spelt?

• although a slight variation is palatable…. as long as it’s spelled correctly

Spelling is paramount and the variation has entered into common use, so… carry on…

roughbarked said:

Arts said:

Arts said:

ooh, I think you are right

although a slight variation is palatable…. as long as it’s spelled correctly

Hmm spelled or spelt?

I seem to have never learned or learnt when to use which one.

roughbarked said:

Arts said:

Arts said:

ooh, I think you are right

although a slight variation is palatable…. as long as it’s spelled correctly

Hmm spelled or spelt?

I asked Steve™ about that one day he said they are interchangeable but spelled is more correct

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

Arts said:

although a slight variation is palatable…. as long as it’s spelled correctly

Hmm spelled or spelt?

I seem to have never learned or learnt when to use which one.

Try to avoid spellcheck then.

furious said:

• although a slight variation is palatable…. as long as it’s spelled correctly

Spelling is paramount and the variation has entered into common use, so… carry on…

great doing business with you

Arts said:

roughbarked said:

Arts said:

although a slight variation is palatable…. as long as it’s spelled correctly

Hmm spelled or spelt?

I asked Steve™ about that one day he said they are interchangeable but spelled is more correct

Unless you are slave to USA inbuilt spellcheck. Yes.

Bubblecar said:

furious said:

• And it was Howard that

took our guns…

He’s been adequately thanked for that. But arguably not adequately kicked in the arse for everything else.

I agree with this too.

FWIW, I think Abbott was slightly less bad than he is commonly painted, Howard was considerably worse, and Turnbull shows every sign of being hugely worse (but I suppose we should give him another few months).

Peak Warming Man said:

Australia is one of the few nations that did not come about by bloodshed, civil war or revolution.
I think that annoys the shit out of the left.

I don’t know why you think that.

What does annoy the shit out of the left, the middle, and any reasonable person is that the bloodshed that was part of the formation of this country in its current form is still largely ignored.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Australia is one of the few nations that did not come about by bloodshed, civil war or revolution.
I think that annoys the shit out of the left.

I don’t know why you think that.

What does annoy the shit out of the left, the middle, and any reasonable person is that the bloodshed that was part of the formation of this country in its current form is still largely ignored.

Yes. It wasn’t just Tasmania where extermination was considered the best policy. And so few know about it. My grandmother was an activist for justice, having seen and heard some pretty out there things in Victoria that were actively hushed up. The recent ‘black arm band’ gang still want us to be ignorant.

ruby said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Australia is one of the few nations that did not come about by bloodshed, civil war or revolution.
I think that annoys the shit out of the left.

I don’t know why you think that.

What does annoy the shit out of the left, the middle, and any reasonable person is that the bloodshed that was part of the formation of this country in its current form is still largely ignored.

Yes. It wasn’t just Tasmania where extermination was considered the best policy. And so few know about it. My grandmother was an activist for justice, having seen and heard some pretty out there things in Victoria that were actively hushed up. The recent ‘black arm band’ gang still want us to be ignorant.

yes, we need to apologise, personally, each & every one of us, continuously, day after day, year after year, decade after decade, no amount of goodwill or apologies should ever be accepted, or be accepted to appease for everything that happened 200 years ago, & for everything the left invent & exeragerate, & let it never be forgotten what we whities did, to keep the outrage industry alive & running & a wedge between these australians & the ‘original’ australians, the ‘indiginous’ australians, the ‘perecuted’ australians.

Maintain the rage, that’s whats important. That’s what will unite us, resentment, resentment, resentment

Interesting reply, Observer. Rage you say? I see plenty of anger from people who have privilege and power who are being asked to examine their positions, how they got there, and what they do to maintain that privilege.

I’m just starting to read a bit more history of our country, after having read the history that we were given when I was growing up, and having dismissed what my nanna had said at the time. I wish I could go back and learn more from her. And that we could go back and learn properly about the culture that was here before, not just learn about the bits that managed to survive.

ruby said:

Interesting reply, Observer. Rage you say? I see plenty of anger from people who have privilege and power who are being asked to examine their positions, how they got there, and what they do to maintain that privilege.

I’m just starting to read a bit more history of our country, after having read the history that we were given when I was growing up, and having dismissed what my nanna had said at the time. I wish I could go back and learn more from her. And that we could go back and learn properly about the culture that was here before, not just learn about the bits that managed to survive.

The human oral stories of history will often add the vital truths that history books could’ve sanitised with censorship. There are nations of the world where a gag order was enforced by suppression historically and currently and this is the premise that allows humans to suffering to continue whether that is Australia , West Papua New Guinea, East Timor , regions of Africa
, Europe or the Middle East. To fix or amend something we at least need to know and understood the full story.

ruby said:

Interesting reply, Observer. Rage you say? I see plenty of anger from people who have privilege and power who are being asked to examine their positions, how they got there, and what they do to maintain that privilege.
<<<

who would they be exactly?

I’m just starting to read a bit more history of our country, after having read the history that we were given when I was growing up, and having dismissed what my nanna had said at the time. I wish I could go back and learn more from her. And that we could go back and learn properly about the culture that was here before, not just learn about the bits that managed to survive.

the history according to who, ruby

monkey skipper said:

The human oral stories of history will often add the vital truths that history books could’ve sanitised with censorship.
<<<<

the bible is considered a history book. Just keep that in mind

There are nations of the world where a gag order was enforced by suppression historically and currently and this is the premise that allows humans to suffering to continue whether that is Australia , West Papua New Guinea, East Timor , regions of Africa
, Europe or the Middle East. To fix or amend something we at least need to know and understood the full story.

I’m not sure if you realise it, but, everyone in australia has equal rights in this day and age

The_observer said:

monkey skipper said:

The human oral stories of history will often add the vital truths that history books could’ve sanitised with censorship.
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the bible is considered a history book. Just keep that in mind

There are nations of the world where a gag order was enforced by suppression historically and currently and this is the premise that allows humans to suffering to continue whether that is Australia , West Papua New Guinea, East Timor , regions of Africa
, Europe or the Middle East. To fix or amend something we at least need to know and understood the full story.

I’m not sure if you realise it, but, everyone in australia has equal rights in this day and age

I have studied the EEO legislation several times now. Having rules does not mean that people automatically enforce them …there are court proceedings that validate that assertion. Rather than isolate a group for ridicule … I simply identified that not treating people well in the past can affect their future and their now and our now. The way people relate and cooperate or repel in society has flow on effects. Therefore to ignore the past that influences our future and present times is not wise for us as the collective fabric of society and community.

I have studied the EEO legislation several times now. Having rules does not mean that people automatically enforce them …there are court proceedings that validate that assertion. Rather than isolate a group for ridicule …

I simply identified that >>>>not treating people well in the past can affect their future and their now and our now. <<<

>>>>>>Therefore to ignore the past that influences our future and present times is not wise for us as the collective fabric of society and community.

the past is never ignored, we are reminded of it continuously, & no amount of appologies, programs or money will appease them. appologies are not what they want, they want every white to live in an eternal state of guilt. They want to blame ancient history on all their woes, & their attitude.That is their problem and why (some) will never advance.

The Rev Dodgson said:

FWIW, I think Abbott was slightly less bad than he is commonly painted, Howard was considerably worse, and Turnbull shows every sign of being hugely worse (but I suppose we should give him another few months).

I think we will have to agree to disagree on all that

The Rev Dodgson said:

FWIW, I think Abbott was slightly less bad than he is commonly painted…

No.

The Rev Dodgson said:

FWIW, I think Abbott was slightly less bad than he is commonly painted, Howard was considerably worse, and Turnbull shows every sign of being hugely worse (but I suppose we should give him another few months).

The Toad of Steel is responsible for nearly all our woes.. he begat Abbott. Turnbull, hasn’t actually done anything yet except fuck up the NBN. (shrug)

The Rev Dodgson said:

FWIW, I think Abbott was slightly less bad than he is commonly painted,

Tony lives in the past

TONY WOULD HAVE TO BE AUSTRALIA’S WORST PRIME MINISTER EVER

and now he is aiding a criminal organisation that violates women’s rights

calms down again

kii said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

FWIW, I think Abbott was slightly less bad than he is commonly painted…

No.

No

Hugely

http://theaimn.com/the-new-ugly-australia-is-the-right-wrong/

The_observer said:

ruby said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I don’t know why you think that.

What does annoy the shit out of the left, the middle, and any reasonable person is that the bloodshed that was part of the formation of this country in its current form is still largely ignored.

Yes. It wasn’t just Tasmania where extermination was considered the best policy. And so few know about it. My grandmother was an activist for justice, having seen and heard some pretty out there things in Victoria that were actively hushed up. The recent ‘black arm band’ gang still want us to be ignorant.

yes, we need to apologise, personally, each & every one of us, continuously, day after day, year after year, decade after decade, no amount of goodwill or apologies should ever be accepted, or be accepted to appease for everything that happened 200 years ago, & for everything the left invent & exeragerate, & let it never be forgotten what we whities did, to keep the outrage industry alive & running & a wedge between these australians & the ‘original’ australians, the ‘indiginous’ australians, the ‘perecuted’ australians.

Maintain the rage, that’s whats important. That’s what will unite us, resentment, resentment, resentment

Why don’t you at least educate yourself on the subject rather than absorbing the ignorant rants of fools.

All religions are fatal mental diseases.

The_observer said:

I have studied the EEO legislation several times now. Having rules does not mean that people automatically enforce them …there are court proceedings that validate that assertion. Rather than isolate a group for ridicule …

I simply identified that >>>>not treating people well in the past can affect their future and their now and our now. <<<

>>>>>>Therefore to ignore the past that influences our future and present times is not wise for us as the collective fabric of society and community.

the past is never ignored, we are reminded of it continuously, & no amount of appologies, programs or money will appease them. appologies are not what they want, they want every white to live in an eternal state of guilt. They want to blame ancient history on all their woes, & their attitude.That is their problem and why (some) will never advance.

Sometimes the reason to remember the past is to work toward ensuring those conditions do not return to become part of our present and future by remembering we ensure the significance is respectfully understood to ensure future generations band together for “hopefully” the greater good. We say lest we forget because we want to remember , reflect and build a better future by remembering what we do not want to re-occur. I think that is a strong example why respecting those who remember is valid and culturally appropriate as well.

monkey skipper said:

The_observer said:

I have studied the EEO legislation several times now. Having rules does not mean that people automatically enforce them …there are court proceedings that validate that assertion. Rather than isolate a group for ridicule …

I simply identified that >>>>not treating people well in the past can affect their future and their now and our now. <<<

>>>>>>Therefore to ignore the past that influences our future and present times is not wise for us as the collective fabric of society and community.

the past is never ignored, we are reminded of it continuously, & no amount of appologies, programs or money will appease them. appologies are not what they want, they want every white to live in an eternal state of guilt. They want to blame ancient history on all their woes, & their attitude.That is their problem and why (some) will never advance.

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Just wanted to ensure your comment is NOT confused with mine

Sometimes the reason to remember the past is to work toward ensuring those conditions do not return to become part of our present and future by remembering we ensure the significance is respectfully understood to ensure future generations band together for “hopefully” the greater good. We say lest we forget because we want to remember , reflect and build a better future by remembering what we do not want to re-occur. I think that is a strong example why respecting those who remember is valid and culturally appropriate as well.