From increased anxiety to high blood pressure, it’s well known that anger is bad for our health.

But a new study suggests becoming full of rage could change the structure of the brain itself, with the production of nerve cells in the hippocampus.

Activity in these new nerve cells was seen with the continuation of aggressive behaviour in an experiment involving male mice, which became increasingly angry.

This suggests that the act of getting angry makes us angrier and the cycle continues.

more…

very interesting article

may even be a key to social hierarchy

link might help

How anger changes the BRAIN: Aggression causes new nerve cells to grow which can trigger even more rage in the future

I’ve found the cannabis reduces my anger almost immediately

Why aren’t we researching this?

here is another interesting article

High unexpressed anger in multiple sclerosis patients linked to nervous system damage, not disease severity

People with multiple sclerosis (MS) feel more than twice as much withheld anger as the general population, but expressed anger levels are similar. Researchers were surprised by the results from the 195 MS patients. They also found that elevated withheld anger levels were not related to the severity of the patients’ MS. This suggests that these inconsistent changes were caused by nervous system damage, rather than an emotional reaction to the stress of the disease.

more….

its also worth noting that cannabis helps people with MS

I would give the aggressive mice some cannabis, and see what happens

Knowing more about anger and social hierarchies might help in managing prison populations

It’s an interesting discovery. I found that when I bought my first computer late last century, I suddenly became much more prone to anger attacks in response to crashes etc. Much more frequent cussing and aggression than I’d normally experienced before, even though I kept reminding myself how irrational this reaction was. So it became a habit when the pooter malfunctioned, but with more reliable computer behaviour, I gradually developed a calmer response to the occasional digital mutiny.

But even today, I sometimes have to rein in the aggro when something goes unaccountably wrong with normal pooter function.

Bubblecar said:

It’s an interesting discovery. I found that when I bought my first computer late last century, I suddenly became much more prone to anger attacks in response to crashes etc. Much more frequent cussing and aggression than I’d normally experienced before, even though I kept reminding myself how irrational this reaction was. So it became a habit when the pooter malfunctioned, but with more reliable computer behaviour, I gradually developed a calmer response to the occasional digital mutiny.

But even today, I sometimes have to rein in the aggro when something goes unaccountably wrong with normal pooter function.

Yes, I have a similar problem, now I ask myself after getting angry, why am I getting angry at innate objects?

here is an interesting Q and A from Yahoo Answers

How does Anger affect the nerves in a persons brain?

How does Anger affect the nerves in a persons brain? and what would happen if extended over a period of time,?
like extreme anger? would this cause a nervous exhaustion of the brain? and how common is this in cases of abusive housholds where children grow up in environments where they have to DEAL with their anger or else? how this affects them long term and how therapy or hypnotherapy would help?

Best Answer: well surprisingly many therapists have said that having them REFEEL the anger again, and this time concentrating on “channeling” these emotions in a positive way again, in other words , FEELING the anger, yet not acting on it , but channeling it into the brain, extending the nerves again and having a “Cathartic” affect on their entire emotional system.

kind of like having your worst feelings turn into BEST feelings

it is a challenge and it maybe takes a few tries to get it going positive, but it is similar to rebooting a computer.. (for an example)

Steve Jobs used to control his anger and direct it towards a more positive way

This seems to be controlling nerve growth and directing it to be more positive than destructive

CrazyNeutrino said:

I’ve found the cannabis reduces my anger almost immediately

Why aren’t we researching this?

here is another interesting article

High unexpressed anger in multiple sclerosis patients linked to nervous system damage, not disease severity

People with multiple sclerosis (MS) feel more than twice as much withheld anger as the general population, but expressed anger levels are similar. Researchers were surprised by the results from the 195 MS patients. They also found that elevated withheld anger levels were not related to the severity of the patients’ MS. This suggests that these inconsistent changes were caused by nervous system damage, rather than an emotional reaction to the stress of the disease.

more….

its also worth noting that cannabis helps people with MS

you must be the lucky one then…

https://ncpic.org.au/professionals/publications/factsheets/cannabis-and-aggression/

The use of cannabis typically causes a sedative effect, making the drug less likely to cause violence in users than other substances such as alcohol and stimulants (e.g. amphetamines and cocaine).

However, sometimes when people use cannabis it can cause fear, anxiety, panic or paranoia, resulting in an aggressive outburst. For most people, however, once the effects of the drug wear off, their behaviour gradually improves.

Studies show that violence can occur more often among people who use cannabis regularly, rather than those who use it occasionally or not at all. It is a matter for current research as to why this is the case. It may be because people with violent tendencies can also have a range of other psychosocial problems and are therefore more likely to use cannabis. It is also important to remember that cannabis is part of the illegal drug market, increasing the chance of violence to occur in some social interactions.

stumpy_seahorse said:

you must be the lucky one then…

https://ncpic.org.au/professionals/publications/factsheets/cannabis-and-aggression/

The use of cannabis typically causes a sedative effect, making the drug less likely to cause violence in users than other substances such as alcohol and stimulants (e.g. amphetamines and cocaine).

However, sometimes when people use cannabis it can cause fear, anxiety, panic or paranoia, resulting in an aggressive outburst. For most people, however, once the effects of the drug wear off, their behaviour gradually improves.

Studies show that violence can occur more often among people who use cannabis regularly, rather than those who use it occasionally or not at all. It is a matter for current research as to why this is the case. It may be because people with violent tendencies can also have a range of other psychosocial problems and are therefore more likely to use cannabis. It is also important to remember that cannabis is part of the illegal drug market, increasing the chance of violence to occur in some social interactions.

I’d imagine there’s a similar response with most sedatives. When something happens that seriously upsets the sedated state, the subject’s response is likely to be confused and may become aggressive.

Bubblecar said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

you must be the lucky one then…

https://ncpic.org.au/professionals/publications/factsheets/cannabis-and-aggression/

The use of cannabis typically causes a sedative effect, making the drug less likely to cause violence in users than other substances such as alcohol and stimulants (e.g. amphetamines and cocaine).

However, sometimes when people use cannabis it can cause fear, anxiety, panic or paranoia, resulting in an aggressive outburst. For most people, however, once the effects of the drug wear off, their behaviour gradually improves.

Studies show that violence can occur more often among people who use cannabis regularly, rather than those who use it occasionally or not at all. It is a matter for current research as to why this is the case. It may be because people with violent tendencies can also have a range of other psychosocial problems and are therefore more likely to use cannabis. It is also important to remember that cannabis is part of the illegal drug market, increasing the chance of violence to occur in some social interactions.

I’d imagine there’s a similar response with most sedatives. When something happens that seriously upsets the sedated state, the subject’s response is likely to be confused and may become aggressive.

bit of a yo-yo affect

Bubblecar said:

I’d imagine there’s a similar response with most sedatives. When something happens that seriously upsets the sedated state, the subject’s response is likely to be confused and may become aggressive.

…especially as sedation renders your normal resourceful response to unexpected crisis situations inaccessible.

>it’s well known that anger is bad for our health.

Generalizing from that wouldn’t be entirely true, as variously extreme determination (it overlaps anger) often has (quite normal) cognitive components (involving motivation/drivers).

It’s part of (some dubious) behaviour controls that anger gets generalized as all bad.

Dodgy generalizations make me angry, so do some hostile stealthy ones.

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I’ve found the cannabis reduces my anger almost immediately

Why aren’t we researching this?

here is another interesting article

High unexpressed anger in multiple sclerosis patients linked to nervous system damage, not disease severity

People with multiple sclerosis (MS) feel more than twice as much withheld anger as the general population, but expressed anger levels are similar. Researchers were surprised by the results from the 195 MS patients. They also found that elevated withheld anger levels were not related to the severity of the patients’ MS. This suggests that these inconsistent changes were caused by nervous system damage, rather than an emotional reaction to the stress of the disease.

more….

its also worth noting that cannabis helps people with MS

you must be the lucky one then…

https://ncpic.org.au/professionals/publications/factsheets/cannabis-and-aggression/

The use of cannabis typically causes a sedative effect, making the drug less likely to cause violence in users than other substances such as alcohol and stimulants (e.g. amphetamines and cocaine).

However, sometimes when people use cannabis it can cause fear, anxiety, panic or paranoia, resulting in an aggressive outburst. For most people, however, once the effects of the drug wear off, their behaviour gradually improves.

Studies show that violence can occur more often among people who use cannabis regularly, rather than those who use it occasionally or not at all. It is a matter for current research as to why this is the case. It may be because people with violent tendencies can also have a range of other psychosocial problems and are therefore more likely to use cannabis. It is also important to remember that cannabis is part of the illegal drug market, increasing the chance of violence to occur in some social interactions.

I’ve had a look at that site and would compare it to the anti-vaxers, lots of retoric little fact.

transition said:

>it’s well known that anger is bad for our health.

Generalizing from that wouldn’t be entirely true, as variously extreme determination (it overlaps anger) often has (quite normal) cognitive components (involving motivation/drivers).

It’s part of (some dubious) behaviour controls that anger gets generalized as all bad.

Dodgy generalizations make me angry, so do some hostile stealthy ones.

Anger is an essential part of life, but it’s important to keep it under control.

jjjust moi said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I’ve found the cannabis reduces my anger almost immediately

Why aren’t we researching this?

here is another interesting article

High unexpressed anger in multiple sclerosis patients linked to nervous system damage, not disease severity

People with multiple sclerosis (MS) feel more than twice as much withheld anger as the general population, but expressed anger levels are similar. Researchers were surprised by the results from the 195 MS patients. They also found that elevated withheld anger levels were not related to the severity of the patients’ MS. This suggests that these inconsistent changes were caused by nervous system damage, rather than an emotional reaction to the stress of the disease.

more….

its also worth noting that cannabis helps people with MS

you must be the lucky one then…

https://ncpic.org.au/professionals/publications/factsheets/cannabis-and-aggression/

The use of cannabis typically causes a sedative effect, making the drug less likely to cause violence in users than other substances such as alcohol and stimulants (e.g. amphetamines and cocaine).

However, sometimes when people use cannabis it can cause fear, anxiety, panic or paranoia, resulting in an aggressive outburst. For most people, however, once the effects of the drug wear off, their behaviour gradually improves.

Studies show that violence can occur more often among people who use cannabis regularly, rather than those who use it occasionally or not at all. It is a matter for current research as to why this is the case. It may be because people with violent tendencies can also have a range of other psychosocial problems and are therefore more likely to use cannabis. It is also important to remember that cannabis is part of the illegal drug market, increasing the chance of violence to occur in some social interactions.

I’ve had a look at that site and would compare it to the anti-vaxers, lots of retoric little fact.

looks like a lot of it was c&p from here..
http://adai.washington.edu/marijuana/factsheets/aggression.htm

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I’ve found the cannabis reduces my anger almost immediately

Why aren’t we researching this?

here is another interesting article

High unexpressed anger in multiple sclerosis patients linked to nervous system damage, not disease severity

People with multiple sclerosis (MS) feel more than twice as much withheld anger as the general population, but expressed anger levels are similar. Researchers were surprised by the results from the 195 MS patients. They also found that elevated withheld anger levels were not related to the severity of the patients’ MS. This suggests that these inconsistent changes were caused by nervous system damage, rather than an emotional reaction to the stress of the disease.

more….

its also worth noting that cannabis helps people with MS

you must be the lucky one then…

https://ncpic.org.au/professionals/publications/factsheets/cannabis-and-aggression/

The use of cannabis typically causes a sedative effect, making the drug less likely to cause violence in users than other substances such as alcohol and stimulants (e.g. amphetamines and cocaine).

However, sometimes when people use cannabis it can cause fear, anxiety, panic or paranoia, resulting in an aggressive outburst. For most people, however, once the effects of the drug wear off, their behaviour gradually improves.

Studies show that violence can occur more often among people who use cannabis regularly, rather than those who use it occasionally or not at all. It is a matter for current research as to why this is the case. It may be because people with violent tendencies can also have a range of other psychosocial problems and are therefore more likely to use cannabis. It is also important to remember that cannabis is part of the illegal drug market, increasing the chance of violence to occur in some social interactions.

Ive found other cannabis users to be very passive when using cannabis

and Ive been using it for over 40 years

>>However, sometimes when people use cannabis it can cause fear, anxiety, panic or paranoia,

yes this will happen with people who are using cannabis for the first time, or are occasional users, with regular use it goes away, I’ve never experienced people getting angry using cannabis, I suggest something else is going on, like they are mixing it with alcohol or mixing it with cigarettes, nicotine highs are not pleasant for people who don’t smoke cigarettes but are cannabis users.

if people are drinking alcohol and mixing it with pot then the sedative effect is cancelled by the alcohol

Alcohol tends to make people loose their inhibitions and for a lot of people can lead to violence while a lot of other people who drink can stay calm

what is going on?

I think its got a lot to do with the persons underlying personality

it depends on the person, if a person has a happy personality and they drink alcohol they are likely to stay happy

if a person has an aggressive personality then I think the alcohol will bring it out it them

I’ve generally found that cannabis keeps people calm, but yes new users can get uncomfortable

transition said:

>it’s well known that anger is bad for our health.

Generalizing from that wouldn’t be entirely true, as variously extreme determination (it overlaps anger) often has (quite normal) cognitive components (involving motivation/drivers).

It’s part of (some dubious) behaviour controls that anger gets generalized as all bad.

Dodgy generalizations make me angry, so do some hostile stealthy ones.

Yes generalisations can be a problem, and I fall into that trap myself

this is where research is needed

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I’ve found the cannabis reduces my anger almost immediately

Why aren’t we researching this?

here is another interesting article

High unexpressed anger in multiple sclerosis patients linked to nervous system damage, not disease severity

People with multiple sclerosis (MS) feel more than twice as much withheld anger as the general population, but expressed anger levels are similar. Researchers were surprised by the results from the 195 MS patients. They also found that elevated withheld anger levels were not related to the severity of the patients’ MS. This suggests that these inconsistent changes were caused by nervous system damage, rather than an emotional reaction to the stress of the disease.

more….

its also worth noting that cannabis helps people with MS

you must be the lucky one then…

https://ncpic.org.au/professionals/publications/factsheets/cannabis-and-aggression/

The use of cannabis typically causes a sedative effect, making the drug less likely to cause violence in users than other substances such as alcohol and stimulants (e.g. amphetamines and cocaine).

However, sometimes when people use cannabis it can cause fear, anxiety, panic or paranoia, resulting in an aggressive outburst. For most people, however, once the effects of the drug wear off, their behaviour gradually improves.

Studies show that violence can occur more often among people who use cannabis regularly, rather than those who use it occasionally or not at all. It is a matter for current research as to why this is the case. It may be because people with violent tendencies can also have a range of other psychosocial problems and are therefore more likely to use cannabis. It is also important to remember that cannabis is part of the illegal drug market, increasing the chance of violence to occur in some social interactions.

yes this will happen with people who are using cannabis for the first time, or are occasional users, with regular use it goes away,

you missed this bit..:

Studies show that violence can occur more often among people who use cannabis regularly, rather than those who use it occasionally or not at all

CN, I’ve found cannabis users tend to be calm (and somewhat passive) when using the stuff, but very aggressive and angry when not under the influence, and especially when trying to give it up – to the point of frequent random acts of extreme violence.

btm said:

CN, I’ve found cannabis users tend to be calm (and somewhat passive) when using the stuff, but very aggressive and angry when not under the influence, and especially when trying to give it up – to the point of frequent random acts of extreme violence.

Junkies, doesn’t matter what they use, they all behave the same when ‘dry’…

Knowing more about anger will help with domestic violence

and knowing more about how alcohol effects anger may lead to alcohol drinks in the future that reduce possible anger while drinking

there are many types of alcohol

more research is needed

http://thelogicofscience.com/2016/02/10/5-reasons-why-anecdotes-are-totally-worthless/

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

you must be the lucky one then…

https://ncpic.org.au/professionals/publications/factsheets/cannabis-and-aggression/

The use of cannabis typically causes a sedative effect, making the drug less likely to cause violence in users than other substances such as alcohol and stimulants (e.g. amphetamines and cocaine).

However, sometimes when people use cannabis it can cause fear, anxiety, panic or paranoia, resulting in an aggressive outburst. For most people, however, once the effects of the drug wear off, their behaviour gradually improves.

Studies show that violence can occur more often among people who use cannabis regularly, rather than those who use it occasionally or not at all. It is a matter for current research as to why this is the case. It may be because people with violent tendencies can also have a range of other psychosocial problems and are therefore more likely to use cannabis. It is also important to remember that cannabis is part of the illegal drug market, increasing the chance of violence to occur in some social interactions.

yes this will happen with people who are using cannabis for the first time, or are occasional users, with regular use it goes away,

you missed this bit..:

Studies show that violence can occur more often among people who use cannabis regularly, rather than those who use it occasionally or not at all

Ive never experienced that over 40 years of use

btm said:

CN, I’ve found cannabis users tend to be calm (and somewhat passive) when using the stuff, but very aggressive and angry when not under the influence, and especially when trying to give it up – to the point of frequent random acts of extreme violence.

yes, they are side effects when coming off cannabis, sweaty hands and moodiness (unstable emotions) mostly

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

yes this will happen with people who are using cannabis for the first time, or are occasional users, with regular use it goes away,

you missed this bit..:

Studies show that violence can occur more often among people who use cannabis regularly, rather than those who use it occasionally or not at all

Ive never experienced that over 40 years of use

can you remember?

Maybe you were in such a calm state that it was happening around you and you didn’t notice…

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

you missed this bit..:

Studies show that violence can occur more often among people who use cannabis regularly, rather than those who use it occasionally or not at all

Ive never experienced that over 40 years of use

can you remember?

Maybe you were in such a calm state that it was happening around you and you didn’t notice…

I have aspergers and get angry a lot, sense my interest in Anger management.

Cannabis takes my anger away almost instantly

Why?

cannabis also reduces my rumination

Why?

We have a lot a research to catch up on due to the prohibition

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Ive never experienced that over 40 years of use

can you remember?

Maybe you were in such a calm state that it was happening around you and you didn’t notice…

I have aspergers and get angry a lot, sense my interest in Anger management.

Cannabis takes my anger away almost instantly

Why?

cannabis also reduces my rumination

Why?

We have a lot a research to catch up on due to the prohibition

cannabis reduces your cud chewing?..

I thought it promoted the munchies…

more research is needed said:

more research is needed

• more research is needed

more research is needed

furious said:

more research is needed said:

more research is needed

• more research is needed

more research is needed

There’s always a lot to be said for more research.

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

can you remember?

Maybe you were in such a calm state that it was happening around you and you didn’t notice…

I have aspergers and get angry a lot, sense my interest in Anger management.

Cannabis takes my anger away almost instantly

Why?

cannabis also reduces my rumination

Why?

We have a lot a research to catch up on due to the prohibition

cannabis reduces your cud chewing?..

I thought it promoted the munchies…

I like the study of emotion, emotion awareness, emotional control, emotional intelligence, I like the study of the electro-chemical human body on an electro-chemical world and the emotions created by human chemistry by that interaction between environment and the body.

I see emotions caused by chemicals in the body interacting with the environment.

I also can self observe, self observation is a very important part of keeping calm

I’ve been on the Web for over twenty years, that’s twenty years of observing troll behaviour, internet bullying and other lesser forms of harassment etc, I try not to respond by being offensive, I want to understand what is going on before I respond, I try to control my emotions, I want to control my anger so I can see clearly, anger can create a cloud of different emotions, other people use this as a weapon to try to destabilise the other person in an argument they want to win, knowing that has saved me a lot of grieve.

Introspection is a handy tool https://www.google.com.au/search?q=self+observation

Having other people observe ones own behaviour is also a handy tool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observation

Cannabis can give the munchies

so for me knowing that cannabis gives people the munchies might be useful in treating some eating disorders

That would involve scientific research to isolate the compounds that are useful, and leading perhaps to medications (non smoking medications) for treatment

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I have aspergers and get angry a lot, sense my interest in Anger management.

Cannabis takes my anger away almost instantly

Why?

cannabis also reduces my rumination

Why?

We have a lot a research to catch up on due to the prohibition

cannabis reduces your cud chewing?..

I thought it promoted the munchies…

I like the study of emotion, emotion awareness, emotional control, emotional intelligence, I like the study of the electro-chemical human body on an electro-chemical world and the emotions created by human chemistry by that interaction between environment and the body.

I see emotions caused by chemicals in the body interacting with the environment.

I also can self observe, self observation is a very important part of keeping calm

I’ve been on the Web for over twenty years, that’s twenty years of observing troll behaviour, internet bullying and other lesser forms of harassment etc, I try not to respond by being offensive, I want to understand what is going on before I respond, I try to control my emotions, I want to control my anger so I can see clearly, anger can create a cloud of different emotions, other people use this as a weapon to try to destabilise the other person in an argument they want to win, knowing that has saved me a lot of grieve.

Introspection is a handy tool https://www.google.com.au/search?q=self+observation

Having other people observe ones own behaviour is also a handy tool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observation

Cannabis can give the munchies

so for me knowing that cannabis gives people the munchies might be useful in treating some eating disorders

That would involve scientific research to isolate the compounds that are useful, and leading perhaps to medications (non smoking medications) for treatment

you have a very loose definition of ‘study’ there…

one is learning all the time

• What does Phillip Ruddock know about Human Rights?

more research is needed

poikilotherm said:

btm said:

CN, I’ve found cannabis users tend to be calm (and somewhat passive) when using the stuff, but very aggressive and angry when not under the influence, and especially when trying to give it up – to the point of frequent random acts of extreme violence.

Junkies, doesn’t matter what they use, they all behave the same when ‘dry’…

roffle… some of your best work right there…

poikilotherm said:

btm said:

CN, I’ve found cannabis users tend to be calm (and somewhat passive) when using the stuff, but very aggressive and angry when not under the influence, and especially when trying to give it up – to the point of frequent random acts of extreme violence.

Junkies, doesn’t matter what they use, they all behave the same when ‘dry’…

Wrong thread.

CrazyNeutrino said:

From increased anxiety to high blood pressure, it’s well known that anger is bad for our health.

But a new study suggests becoming full of rage could change the structure of the brain itself, with the production of nerve cells in the hippocampus.

Activity in these new nerve cells was seen with the continuation of aggressive behaviour in an experiment involving male mice, which became increasingly angry.

This suggests that the act of getting angry makes us angrier and the cycle continues.

more…

very interesting article

may even be a key to social hierarchy

or an early death

Anyway, I’ve finished crowing about my new-found vegetable to Mrs V. She seemed to be ( or maybe pretended to be) sufficiently excited on the phone to try the bamboo shoot meal tomorrow night. I suspect it’s so she doesn’t have to cook…

Sorry, Fred Wong…

wookiemeister said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

From increased anxiety to high blood pressure, it’s well known that anger is bad for our health.

But a new study suggests becoming full of rage could change the structure of the brain itself, with the production of nerve cells in the hippocampus.

Activity in these new nerve cells was seen with the continuation of aggressive behaviour in an experiment involving male mice, which became increasingly angry.

This suggests that the act of getting angry makes us angrier and the cycle continues.

more…

very interesting article

may even be a key to social hierarchy

or an early death

Does anger drive wars?

Mollwollfumble’s law of positive anger.

There is no anger without action, and no action without anger.
So it’s impossible to determine whether the new nerve growth is due to anger or action.

I sometimes find myself getting angry when I loose control

and it might be something simple like the computer freezing or when something unexpected happens

maybe the new nerve cells that are generated is the brain looking for an answer to the problem