Date: 26/02/2016 09:28:16
From: dv
ID: 851756
Subject: BMI vs waist:hip

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bmi-is-a-terrible-measure-of-health/

BMI Is A Terrible Measure Of HealthBut we keep using it anyway.

By KATHERINE HOBSON

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Although the merits of w:h over BMI will be familiar to most of you, this article is worth reading as some of the specific stats are surprising.

The researchers analyzed the health data for 15,184 adults who were part of the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey. Their results,published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, were pretty surprising: They showed that midsection obesity was a killer, even among people with normal BMIs.For example, a man with a BMI of 22 (putting him firmly in the normal range) but too much belly fat according to his waist-to-hip ratio had an 87 percent higher mortality risk than a guy with the same BMI and a healthy waist-to-hip ratio.

What’s more, a man with a normal BMI and disproportionately big belly had more than twice the mortality risk of a man who was overweight or obese by BMI but not by waistline. Among women, those who were normal weight by BMI but had a high waist-to-hip ratio had a 48 percent higher mortality risk than those with a similar BMI but a healthy waist-to-hip ratio, and a 32 percent higher risk compared with those who were obese according to BMI only.

Seems likely to me that you can estimate risk best using all four easily measured factors (height, weight, hip, waist) but that it is unlikely to be represented by a simple function: you’d probably need to use a set of spline-functions. However, these days, there is not much need for mathematical simplicity. Everyone is carrying a powerful computer in their pocket, and a simple app could calculate “cardiovascular risk factor”, based on known mortality data, from age, sex, height, weight, hip, waist.

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Date: 26/02/2016 09:39:01
From: Bubblecar
ID: 851758
Subject: re: BMI vs waist:hip

>What’s more, a man with a normal BMI and disproportionately big belly had more than twice the mortality risk of a man who was overweight or obese by BMI but not by waistline.

Don’t see many obese men who don’t have fat bellies.

I’m planning to lose my beachball belly over the course of autumn. Yes I know there’s a bumper apple harvest but that’s what I’ll mainly be eating, and I’ll soon get sick of them so will be eating in moderation.

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Date: 26/02/2016 09:41:36
From: Divine Angel
ID: 851759
Subject: re: BMI vs waist:hip

Just think how many doctors you can keep away!

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Date: 26/02/2016 09:42:46
From: stumpy_seahorse
ID: 851760
Subject: re: BMI vs waist:hip

Divine Angel said:


Just think how many doctors you can keep away!

depends how good his aim is…

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Date: 26/02/2016 09:43:37
From: kii
ID: 851761
Subject: re: BMI vs waist:hip

Divine Angel said:


Just think how many doctors you can keep away!

I have apple sauce AND apples.

(After the encounters I have had here with the medical profession, this seems like an excellent thing.)

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Date: 26/02/2016 09:44:37
From: Bubblecar
ID: 851762
Subject: re: BMI vs waist:hip

Divine Angel said:


Just think how many doctors you can keep away!

Ha.

I just wish there were some savoury dishes I can make with apples. I’ll have to do some experimenting.

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Date: 26/02/2016 10:03:17
From: ruby
ID: 851766
Subject: re: BMI vs waist:hip

My council posted out a paper tape measure with a green zone for Healthy Waist, a yellow zone for Harmful Waist and a red zone for High Risk Waist. I keep it on my fridge and it’s been a very good reminder to me that my quite tubby middle means I need to cut down on my random snacking (one bad thing about working from home).

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Date: 26/02/2016 12:08:03
From: dv
ID: 851789
Subject: re: BMI vs waist:hip

Bubblecar said:


>What’s more, a man with a normal BMI and disproportionately big belly had more than twice the mortality risk of a man who was overweight or obese by BMI but not by waistline.

Don’t see many obese men who don’t have fat bellies.

I think perhaps you miss the point.

Overweight by BMI means having a BMI between 25 and 30

Obese by BMI means having a BMI above 30

So when they say “Obese by BMI but not by waistline” they mean men with a BMI over 30 who have low waist to hip ratios. There are plenty of athletes in this category.

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Date: 26/02/2016 12:11:15
From: dv
ID: 851791
Subject: re: BMI vs waist:hip

Divine Angel said:


Just think how many doctors you can keep away!

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Date: 26/02/2016 12:18:52
From: btm
ID: 851793
Subject: re: BMI vs waist:hip

dv said:


Divine Angel said:

Just think how many doctors you can keep away!

!http://www.newnownext.com/wp-content/uploads/backlot/2011/09/DoctorWhoGodComplexApple.png

Do I get to choose which doctors I keep away?

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Date: 26/02/2016 12:22:24
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 851794
Subject: re: BMI vs waist:hip

Bubblecar said:


>What’s more, a man with a normal BMI and disproportionately big belly had more than twice the mortality risk of a man who was overweight or obese by BMI but not by waistline.

Don’t see many obese men who don’t have fat bellies.

If they don’t have fat bellies, how do you know whether they are classified as obese or not?

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Date: 26/02/2016 12:25:06
From: Cymek
ID: 851795
Subject: re: BMI vs waist:hip

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

>What’s more, a man with a normal BMI and disproportionately big belly had more than twice the mortality risk of a man who was overweight or obese by BMI but not by waistline.

Don’t see many obese men who don’t have fat bellies.

I think perhaps you miss the point.

Overweight by BMI means having a BMI between 25 and 30

Obese by BMI means having a BMI above 30

So when they say “Obese by BMI but not by waistline” they mean men with a BMI over 30 who have low waist to hip ratios. There are plenty of athletes in this category.

I thought the worry with men with big bellies is not the outside fat but the fat around your internal organs

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Date: 26/02/2016 12:28:38
From: dv
ID: 851798
Subject: re: BMI vs waist:hip

Cymek said:


dv said:

Bubblecar said:

>What’s more, a man with a normal BMI and disproportionately big belly had more than twice the mortality risk of a man who was overweight or obese by BMI but not by waistline.

Don’t see many obese men who don’t have fat bellies.

I think perhaps you miss the point.

Overweight by BMI means having a BMI between 25 and 30

Obese by BMI means having a BMI above 30

So when they say “Obese by BMI but not by waistline” they mean men with a BMI over 30 who have low waist to hip ratios. There are plenty of athletes in this category.

I thought the worry with men with big bellies is not the outside fat but the fat around your internal organs

It is, but they reckon that these are correlated.

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Date: 26/02/2016 12:57:22
From: party_pants
ID: 851812
Subject: re: BMI vs waist:hip

Bubblecar said:

I’m planning to lose my beachball belly over the course of autumn.

I bought a sit-up bench.

Pain is my new friend.

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Date: 26/02/2016 13:11:48
From: buffy
ID: 851813
Subject: re: BMI vs waist:hip

party_pants said:


Bubblecar said:

I’m planning to lose my beachball belly over the course of autumn.

I bought a sit-up bench.

Pain is my new friend.

Make sure you know the correct technique, or back pain will be your friend for life.

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Date: 26/02/2016 14:03:03
From: roughbarked
ID: 851819
Subject: re: BMI vs waist:hip

Bubblecar said:


Divine Angel said:

Just think how many doctors you can keep away!

Ha.

I just wish there were some savoury dishes I can make with apples. I’ll have to do some experimenting.

http://www.bonappetit.com/recipes/slideshow/savory-apple-recipes

http://www.seriouseats.com/2013/10/savory-apple-recipes-for-fall.html

http://www.saveur.com/article/-/Savory-Apple-Recipes

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Date: 26/02/2016 14:50:59
From: Michael V
ID: 851839
Subject: re: BMI vs waist:hip

Waist Circumference and Waist-Hip Ratio
Report of a WHO Expert Consultation
GENEVA, 8–11 DECEMBER 2008

http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/44583/1/9789241501491_eng.pdf

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Date: 26/02/2016 15:19:20
From: party_pants
ID: 851872
Subject: re: BMI vs waist:hip

buffy said:


party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

I’m planning to lose my beachball belly over the course of autumn.

I bought a sit-up bench.

Pain is my new friend.

Make sure you know the correct technique, or back pain will be your friend for life.

Yes ma’am. I have already been lectured sternly about that.

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Date: 26/02/2016 15:20:30
From: stumpy_seahorse
ID: 851874
Subject: re: BMI vs waist:hip

party_pants said:


buffy said:

party_pants said:

I bought a sit-up bench.

Pain is my new friend.

Make sure you know the correct technique, or back pain will be your friend for life.

Yes ma’am. I have already been lectured sternly about that.

wrong bit… the sternum is the front…

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Date: 26/02/2016 15:22:26
From: party_pants
ID: 851876
Subject: re: BMI vs waist:hip

stumpy_seahorse said:


party_pants said:

buffy said:

Make sure you know the correct technique, or back pain will be your friend for life.

Yes ma’am. I have already been lectured sternly about that.

wrong bit… the sternum is the front…

You don’t know just how unfit I am.

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Date: 26/02/2016 15:27:56
From: Cymek
ID: 851877
Subject: re: BMI vs waist:hip

party_pants said:


stumpy_seahorse said:

party_pants said:

Yes ma’am. I have already been lectured sternly about that.

wrong bit… the sternum is the front…

You don’t know just how unfit I am.

Floaty chair unfit ?

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Date: 26/02/2016 15:29:45
From: stumpy_seahorse
ID: 851879
Subject: re: BMI vs waist:hip

party_pants said:


stumpy_seahorse said:

party_pants said:

Yes ma’am. I have already been lectured sternly about that.

wrong bit… the sternum is the front…

You don’t know just how unfit I am.

you should have been dorsally lecture….

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Date: 26/02/2016 15:37:00
From: party_pants
ID: 851887
Subject: re: BMI vs waist:hip

Cymek said:


party_pants said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

wrong bit… the sternum is the front…

You don’t know just how unfit I am.

Floaty chair unfit ?

I dismount from the sit-up bench by unhooking my legs and letting myself slide to the floor in elegant and gainly fashion.

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Date: 26/02/2016 15:38:16
From: stumpy_seahorse
ID: 851889
Subject: re: BMI vs waist:hip

party_pants said:


Cymek said:

party_pants said:

You don’t know just how unfit I am.

Floaty chair unfit ?

I dismount from the sit-up bench by unhooking my legs and letting myself slide to the floor in elegant and gainly fashion.

I used to dismount the bar stools at the local in the same fashion…

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Date: 27/02/2016 04:34:37
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 852295
Subject: re: BMI vs waist:hip

> BMI Is A Terrible Measure Of Health. But we keep using it anyway.

Wrong wrong wrong. I wish people would stop saying this.

BMI is the only measure of obesity that you can’t cheat on. Waist to hip is laughably bad because it’s ridiculously easy to cheat on.

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