They’re finally getting around to running the NBN to my part of this town.

I’ve been told that the NBN connection gear has to go inside the house, in a room where there’s a telephone outlet. Also told that the connection boxes are big, bulky, ugly, awkward.

Would there be any advantage in having a connection point in e.g. the roof space?

mcgoon said:

They’re finally getting around to running the NBN to my part of this town.

I’ve been told that the NBN connection gear has to go inside the house, in a room where there’s a telephone outlet. Also told that the connection boxes are big, bulky, ugly, awkward.

Would there be any advantage in having a connection point in e.g. the roof space?

you need a room thats not a bedroom with a power socket nearby , thats all

it doesn’t require a phone connection nearby

when i was doing it last year you can in some cases drill through the wall from the grey box on the outside of the house and mount it back to back. the

its helpful to use an existing hole made for an existing phone line though

they wouldn’t like installing in the roof space, its hot up there – you’d need approval before they could do that

if you have an enclosed garage you could put it in there

mcgoon said:

They’re finally getting around to running the NBN to my part of this town.

I’ve been told that the NBN connection gear has to go inside the house, in a room where there’s a telephone outlet. Also told that the connection boxes are big, bulky, ugly, awkward.

Would there be any advantage in having a connection point in e.g. the roof space?

NBN connectors probably don’t have confined space ticket, probably not working at heights ticket, so your chances of talking them into installing it in your roof are slim

my thoughts are that all the equipment is made in china

how long will all this stuff last?

not very long i bet

think about it

how long do you think it will be before the first customer has to pay to buy ANOTHER box of electronics ?

stumpy_seahorse said:

mcgoon said:

They’re finally getting around to running the NBN to my part of this town.

I’ve been told that the NBN connection gear has to go inside the house, in a room where there’s a telephone outlet. Also told that the connection boxes are big, bulky, ugly, awkward.

Would there be any advantage in having a connection point in e.g. the roof space?

NBN connectors probably don’t have confined space ticket, probably not working at heights ticket, so your chances of talking them into installing it in your roof are slim

a confined space is something declared by the employer

you enter roof spaces all the time to install the NBN

wookiemeister said:

you need a room thats not a bedroom with a power socket nearby , thats all

it doesn’t require a phone connection nearby

when i was doing it last year you can in some cases drill through the wall from the grey box on the outside of the house and mount it back to back. the

its helpful to use an existing hole made for an existing phone line though

they wouldn’t like installing in the roof space, its hot up there – you’d need approval before they could do that

if you have an enclosed garage you could put it in there

The computers and router/modem are in the ‘3rd bedroom’, which has never had a bed in it. How does that tally up?

And we do have an enclosed garage – part of the house.

mcgoon said:

They’re finally getting around to running the NBN to my part of this town.

I’ve been told that the NBN connection gear has to go inside the house, in a room where there’s a telephone outlet. Also told that the connection boxes are big, bulky, ugly, awkward.

Would there be any advantage in having a connection point in e.g. the roof space?

When the NBN was first rolled out, they would put it in the most useful spot within a 30m cable run of the entry point, but subsequent documentation has that option removed and now it goes next to the closest power point on the inside of the wall wherever the outside connection box is. You have no choice. And the roof or a cupboard is not a suitable area, as it is an electronic box that needs airflow to keep cool.

When the NBN was first rolled out, they would put it in the most useful spot within a 30m cable run of the entry point, but subsequent documentation has that option removed

You may think that NBNco are there to install telecommunications equipment – they are not. They are there to make money off the government. Don’t believe me? Please use this thread to keep us up to date with progress.

you only need to get the small white box installed

the other bigger box is if you want battery back up – this is not standard now so if you don’t ask for it – you don;t get it

its a way they made the installation cheaper.

they did away with the faceplate that would sit in your house which would then connect to the brain

the fibre optic now goes straight to the brain without needing another connection to do it now – cheaper and less prone to faults

mcgoon said:

wookiemeister said:

you need a room thats not a bedroom with a power socket nearby , thats all

it doesn’t require a phone connection nearby

when i was doing it last year you can in some cases drill through the wall from the grey box on the outside of the house and mount it back to back. the

its helpful to use an existing hole made for an existing phone line though

they wouldn’t like installing in the roof space, its hot up there – you’d need approval before they could do that

if you have an enclosed garage you could put it in there

The computers and router/modem are in the ‘3rd bedroom’, which has never had a bed in it. How does that tally up?

And we do have an enclosed garage – part of the house.

if the garage is enclosed then its ok to install down there

wookiemeister said:

my thoughts are that all the equipment is made in china

how long will all this stuff last?

not very long i bet

think about it

how long do you think it will be before the first customer has to pay to buy ANOTHER box of electronics ?

It happened to me with my satellite connection. It failed twice under warranty but the third time would have been at my expense. About $2000 so I reluctantly went to Telstra wifi.

it makes me wonder if the better option is a Wi Fi system on a local power pole

mcgoon said:

They’re finally getting around to running the NBN to my part of this town.

I’ve been told that the NBN connection gear has to go inside the house, in a room where there’s a telephone outlet. Also told that the connection boxes are big, bulky, ugly, awkward.

Would there be any advantage in having a connection point in e.g. the roof space?

install a PowerPoint then make a cupboard then put the NBN box in that to hide it

another option you have is install a battery to go with the NBN modem

then put an ups/battery backup on your modem and phone

I presume the need for an enclosed space has more to do with preventing tampering than ensuring a cool air flow.

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

my thoughts are that all the equipment is made in china

how long will all this stuff last?

not very long i bet

think about it

how long do you think it will be before the first customer has to pay to buy ANOTHER box of electronics ?

It happened to me with my satellite connection. It failed twice under warranty but the third time would have been at my expense. About $2000 so I reluctantly went to Telstra wifi.

i don’t think many of those brains being installed into people’s houses will last

its why i think that a Wi Fi system installed on a nearby power pole is better

1 you aren’t entering the property

2 its quick – you just find the wi Fi and connect

3 any repairs are at the cost of the tel co

4 cheaper to install

mcgoon said:

The computers and router/modem are in the ‘3rd bedroom’, which has never had a bed in it. How does that tally up?

And we do have an enclosed garage – part of the house.

A bedroom is OK, but cupboards need to fit a certain criteria. The installer needs to be able to run the cable “without entering any areas with restricted access” – that usually includes roofspaces but depends on the installer. But really, good luck with getting them to put it anywhere apart from the easiest place for the installer.

the other option is to pump the signal directly into the home via the existing power cables

you have a filter that stops the signal from leaking back into the local power lines

install it in the garage

I have both NBN box and Battery Backup box installed in the house

both are ugly

I have a separate battery backup for my modem and voip phone

Carmen_Sandiego said:

But really, good luck with getting them to put it anywhere apart from the easiest place for the installer.

Seems like we’ll have to take what we’re given, while tugging at our forelocks and murmuring “thank’ee, guv’nor”.

CrazyNeutrino said:

install it in the garage

I have both NBN box and Battery Backup box installed in the house

both are ugly

I have a separate battery backup for my modem and voip phone

if you have a garage its better there

newer houses make the provision for the cable to be run into the garage

mcgoon said:

Carmen_Sandiego said:

But really, good luck with getting them to put it anywhere apart from the easiest place for the installer.

Seems like we’ll have to take what we’re given, while tugging at our forelocks and murmuring “thank’ee, guv’nor”.

the installer will be reluctant to install anywhere you don;t like, this means “call backs” they don;t get paid for

CrazyNeutrino said:

install it in the garage

I have both NBN box and Battery Backup box installed in the house

both are ugly

I have a separate battery backup for my modem and voip phone

If the garage hasn’t already got a power point put one in

if its got only one get a double power point

wookiemeister said:

newer houses make the provision for the cable to be run into the garage

I’ve seen new-build houses around here with boxes on the outside wall, with Ethernet cabling running to the inside of the house.

Carmen_Sandiego said:

mcgoon said:

The computers and router/modem are in the ‘3rd bedroom’, which has never had a bed in it. How does that tally up?

And we do have an enclosed garage – part of the house.

A bedroom is OK, but cupboards need to fit a certain criteria. The installer needs to be able to run the cable “without entering any areas with restricted access” – that usually includes roofspaces but depends on the installer. But really, good luck with getting them to put it anywhere apart from the easiest place for the installer.

it’ll be fun when they get to this place..
The wall that runs closest to the road and phone line connection is 1 metre thick :)

wookiemeister said:

you only need to get the small white box installed

the other bigger box is if you want battery back up – this is not standard now so if you don’t ask for it – you don;t get it

It is actually up to the RSP to specify the back-up battery or not. If you order one, the installer will talk you out of it, and if you didn’t order one, he will talk you into it. As soon as you agree with the installer (He knows his stuff, right?) he will pack up his stuff and drive off leaving you wondering hat is going on. It turns out you have just changed the order, so NBN get paid for the call-out, but you have to re-schedule the installation – which will be in another 4-6 weeks.

Ask me how I (and a couple of other people I have heard of) know.

mcgoon said:

wookiemeister said:

newer houses make the provision for the cable to be run into the garage

I’ve seen new-build houses around here with boxes on the outside wall, with Ethernet cabling running to the inside of the house.

a newer house will have the plastic conduit already installed with a draw wire in the conduit

this normally leads to the garage

Carmen_Sandiego said:

wookiemeister said:

you only need to get the small white box installed

the other bigger box is if you want battery back up – this is not standard now so if you don’t ask for it – you don;t get it

It is actually up to the RSP to specify the back-up battery or not. If you order one, the installer will talk you out of it, and if you didn’t order one, he will talk you into it. As soon as you agree with the installer (He knows his stuff, right?) he will pack up his stuff and drive off leaving you wondering hat is going on. It turns out you have just changed the order, so NBN get paid for the call-out, but you have to re-schedule the installation – which will be in another 4-6 weeks.

Ask me how I (and a couple of other people I have heard of) know.

yeah probably, i didnt have anything to do with the admin side of it

the system we were using meant we were just told what the customer wanted before we went there

standard installs are best, no battery back up, easier and quicker job (in theory)

I think we’re only getting NBN now/soon-ish partly because i agitated about it.

• NBN rollout maps showed our western area as having no scheduled/proposed roll-out, although the north, east, and south of town were all done or in progress.

*NBN Co. responded to several queries with vague generalisations, prevarications, obfuscations. I suggested that i’d contact local MP (L/NP govt. member, Minister for Businessand Enterprise at the time) and the Minister for Comms.

*NBN Co. sort of said ho-hum.

• i contacted MP and Minister, and lo! map now says rollout for our area is scheduled, and preliminary work is under way.

mcgoon said:

Carmen_Sandiego said:

But really, good luck with getting them to put it anywhere apart from the easiest place for the installer.

Seems like we’ll have to take what we’re given, while tugging at our forelocks and murmuring “thank’ee, guv’nor”.

You can always ask, maybe bribe them with a bottle of scotch or carton of beer. (Didn’t work with us, however) I was even contemplating installing all the conduit (you only need 16mm) with a draw wire to where I wanted it to make it easier for them to install, but in the end I managed to get mine installed in a pantry, but that was due to exceptional circumstances.

What’s the point of having a battery back up if your cordless phone and computers go dead in a blackout?

wookiemeister said:

mcgoon said:

Carmen_Sandiego said:

But really, good luck with getting them to put it anywhere apart from the easiest place for the installer.

Seems like we’ll have to take what we’re given, while tugging at our forelocks and murmuring “thank’ee, guv’nor”.

the installer will be reluctant to install anywhere you don;t like, this means “call backs” they don;t get paid for

Been a while since you were installing, Wookie. Installer gets paid every time they turn up, which is why they are so quick to say “Oh, is that a cloud? Gotta go.” – Official reason for installation reschedule: “Weather”.

CrazyNeutrino said:

If the garage hasn’t already got a power point put one in

if its got only one get a double power point

This. They will not install it where there isn’t a power point.

mcgoon said:

What’s the point of having a battery back up if your cordless phone and computers go dead in a blackout?

you still have comms to a phone

the phone is conected to the brains which is powered

mcgoon said:

What’s the point of having a battery back up if your cordless phone and computers go dead in a blackout?

I have a separate battery backup for them

the internal modem has a phone connection and laptops work on batteries.

the end point of the light will be powered regardless of the black out (hopefully)

wookiemeister said:

mcgoon said:

What’s the point of having a battery back up if your cordless phone and computers go dead in a blackout?

you still have comms to a phone

the phone is conected to the brains which is powered

I assume that you mean an old-style landline phone, which does not require a power point?

wookiemeister said:

the end point of the light will be powered regardless of the black out (hopefully)

Fabulous. If you have communications device which is independent of household power. Useless if you don’t.

mcgoon said:

What’s the point of having a battery back up if your cordless phone and computers go dead in a blackout?

Laptops don’t.

Carmen_Sandiego said:

mcgoon said:

What’s the point of having a battery back up if your cordless phone and computers go dead in a blackout?

Laptops don’t.

Well, we have a laptop – but, it would seem that battery backup is no good for those who don’t.

i thought one could use a computer as a “phone”?

mcgoon said:

wookiemeister said:

the end point of the light will be powered regardless of the black out (hopefully)

Fabulous. If you have communications device which is independent of household power. Useless if you don’t.

yep

the old phone system had its own power system paid for by the tel co

they transferred that cost on to – you

Carmen_Sandiego said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

If the garage hasn’t already got a power point put one in

if its got only one get a double power point

This. They will not install it where there isn’t a power point.

Since most powerpoints are in use or need to be used then possibly better to pick your installation point and get a power point put there and inform them.

theres a port on the brains that you plug the phone into

you’ll find that installers HAVE to take pictures of the entire install now OR they will have to make a separate trip back if a dispute arises

mcgoon said:

Carmen_Sandiego said:

mcgoon said:

What’s the point of having a battery back up if your cordless phone and computers go dead in a blackout?

Laptops don’t.

Well, we have a laptop – but, it would seem that battery backup is no good for those who don’t.

The battery with NBN is for phone only.

if you don’t have a laptop then you couldn’t use your computer with the “old” system either. with the NBN just need the old style phone or use your puta.

Well, thanks for all the info.

Must go and attend to some household tasks.

In case anyone is wondering, i used to be Captain Spalding. Something went bung with that handle ,and this is my first, last, and only back-up handle.

dafuq uses a landline these days*

*excluding resident luddite ;)

Apparently we now have a tower up on Mt Rouse. We were going to be all up and running before the end of March. Not looking likely. No contact yet from NBN or Telstra…

poikilotherm said:

dafuq uses a landline these days*

*excluding resident luddite ;)

It’s the way we get our ADSL…..

mcgoon said:

Well, thanks for all the info.

Must go and attend to some household tasks.

In case anyone is wondering, i used to be Captain Spalding. Something went bung with that handle ,and this is my first, last, and only back-up handle.

ah

In the event of a power outage, your landline phone and internet services over the nbn™ network won’t work if the battery is faulty or missing.

http://www.nbnco.com.au/connect-home-or-business/already-connected/nbn-equipment/battery-back-up-service-information.html

poikilotherm said:

dafuq uses a landline these days*

*excluding resident luddite ;)

we do here, but Mrs SS is on call 90% of the time and with all the tel$tra ouutages with mobiles lately, it’s really a necessity.

poikilotherm said:

dafuq uses a landline these days*

*excluding resident luddite ;)

people with fttp?

Cap’n, when it all goes to shit, two things to note:

1. It is the Commonwealth Ombudsman, not the TIO who deal with NBN related issues. (That isn’t advertised anywhere, not even by the TIO)
2. Your local federal member can get shit done.

The NBN is being supplied via a range of different technologies. The main ones are FTTN (Fibre To The Node), FTTP (Fibre To The Premises) and Fixed Wireless.

Most people in pre-existing premises will get FTTN. This is supplied as VDSL (Very high bit-rate DSL), a very fast DSL connection over your existing phone line. The fibre terminates at the node (the comms pillar at the end of your street). This type of NBN connection only requires a VDSL modem to be plugged into your phone socket.

New buildings should get FTTP if it is available in the area. This type of NBN requires a fibre termination box to be connected to the premises.

Where FTTN and FTTP are not available then you will probably have to suffer fixed wireless.

In all cases NBNco are required to supply a minimum 25mb connection.

FTTP should be able to supply 100mb.

FTTN may be able to supply 100mb depending on the condition and length of your copper connection.

Fixed wireless speed is anybodys guess.