Date: 1/04/2016 06:33:55
From: monkey skipper
ID: 867689
Subject: Antarctica's melting ice rate revised to one metre by 2100

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-31/antarctica’s-melting-ice-could-lift-seas-one-metre-by-2100/7286782

“Melting ice from Antarctica could raise oceans by one metre before 2100 at current rates of greenhouse gas emissions, doubling previous forecasts for sea level rise, according to a new study.

The focus on how the ice sheets are cracking and then how they should be calculating this is revised. From what I can tell , the melts pouring down into the crevices are then expanding as water does when freezing and this is causing cracking to force ice sheets break away. The rate is double the previous estimates and the PHD Scientist wants to be wrong about his findings.

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Date: 1/04/2016 06:55:11
From: monkey skipper
ID: 867690
Subject: re: Antarctica's melting ice rate revised to one metre by 2100

“ Over a longer time scale, the study said the picture would be even grimmer: within 500 years, Earth’s once-frozen continent will have lifted water lines by more than 15 metres, reconfiguring the planet’s coastlines.”

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Date: 1/04/2016 06:56:33
From: monkey skipper
ID: 867691
Subject: re: Antarctica's melting ice rate revised to one metre by 2100

“ But independent experts said the study was probably on target.

While sharing Professor DeConto’s sense of alarm, they praised the new research, published in the peer-reviewed journal Nature, as “really good science”.

Until now, estimates of how many centimetres or inches Antarctic melt-off would add to the world’s oceans over the next 85 years have been conservative.

The latest report from the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), a federation of several thousand scientists that report to governments on global warming and its impacts, put that number at about a dozen centimetres, all of it from a relatively small section called the West Antarctic Ice Sheet.

The IPCC predicted total sea level rise from all sources — including the expansion of water as it warms, melting glaciers, and the Greenland ice sheet — would probably not top a metre by century’s end.

But the low figure for Antarctica had more to do with gaps in knowledge than differences of opinion.

Scientists have long struggled, for example, to understand the role Earth’s southern extremity played during earlier periods of global warming — 125,000 and 3 million years ago — when temperatures barely warmer than our own raised oceans to levels six to 10 metres higher than today.

“In both cases, the Antarctic ice sheet has been implicated as the primary contributor, hinting at its future vulnerability,” the study said.”

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Date: 1/04/2016 06:59:55
From: monkey skipper
ID: 867692
Subject: re: Antarctica's melting ice rate revised to one metre by 2100

How Antarctica melts mystery ‘solved’:

But how, exactly, the planet’s ice continent — far colder than the Arctic, and thus less subject to melting — disintegrated remained a mystery.

Building on earlier work, Professor DeConto and Pennsylvania State University climate scientist David Pollard created computer models integrating for the first time two mechanisms that appeared to solve the puzzle.

One is a process called hydrofracturing — if you put a sealed bottle of water or beer in a freezer, the liquid will expand and crack the container.
GIF: Antarctic warming

“That’s what happened here,” said Anders Levermann, an expert on the dynamics of ice sheets at the Potsdam Institute in Germany and a lead author of the chapter on sea levels in the most recent IPCC report.

“You have meltwater going deep into crevices in the ice sheet, and then it expands and cracks the ice open .”

Up to now, scientists have focused mostly on the impact warming oceans have on the overhang from ice sheets, which sit on land.

But it turns out air temperatures have risen enough to cause some melting on top as well.

The other natural mechanism is the breakup of buttressing ice shelves, and the failure of ice cliffs, that both act as dams for the ice sheets behind them.

“These are not ‘new’ processes per se,” Professor DeConto said.

“But they haven’t been considered at the continental scale in Antarctica before.”

When the researchers applied their models to the previous periods of warming, the pieces of the puzzle fell into place, he said.

It also gave rise to alarming conclusions about what lies ahead.

“The fact that a model — tested and calibrated against past examples of sea level rise — simulates such a strong future response to warming if very concerning,” he said.

“This should be a wake up call.”

The study adds to new evidence that ocean water marks may go up more and faster that previously thought, other scientists said.

“The recent modelling now favour the view that continuing rapid warming will cause sea level rise to be larger, and perhaps much larger, especially if we look beyond the end of this century,” Richard Alley, also a scientist at Pennsylvania State University, said.

Professor DeConto did note, however, that if humanity succeeds in drastically reducing greenhouse gas emissions in the coming decades, there is relatively little contribution to sea level rise from Antarctica.

“That’s the good news here,” he added.

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Date: 1/04/2016 15:49:43
From: PermeateFree
ID: 867799
Subject: re: Antarctica's melting ice rate revised to one metre by 2100

What ever happened to the Observer?

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Date: 2/04/2016 05:25:35
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 868108
Subject: re: Antarctica's melting ice rate revised to one metre by 2100

> “Melting ice from Antarctica could raise oceans by one metre before 2100”

(entering Devil’s advocate mode) Sea level rise in the past 50 years has been SFA, of the same order as changes due to tectonic effects and isostatic rebound. Why should it be any more in the next 50 years?

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Date: 2/04/2016 05:36:35
From: monkey skipper
ID: 868109
Subject: re: Antarctica's melting ice rate revised to one metre by 2100

mollwollfumble said:


> “Melting ice from Antarctica could raise oceans by one metre before 2100”

(entering Devil’s advocate mode) Sea level rise in the past 50 years has been SFA, of the same order as changes due to tectonic effects and isostatic rebound. Why should it be any more in the next 50 years?

Because the factors for calculations have more inclusions now that we’re not added to the models of calls for sea level rise. As added in the posts.

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Date: 2/04/2016 05:38:02
From: monkey skipper
ID: 868110
Subject: re: Antarctica's melting ice rate revised to one metre by 2100

monkey skipper said:


mollwollfumble said:

> “Melting ice from Antarctica could raise oceans by one metre before 2100”

(entering Devil’s advocate mode) Sea level rise in the past 50 years has been SFA, of the same order as changes due to tectonic effects and isostatic rebound. Why should it be any more in the next 50 years?


Edits:
Because the factors for calculations have more inclusions now that were not added to the models of calcs for sea level rise. As added in the posts.

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Date: 2/04/2016 05:43:29
From: monkey skipper
ID: 868112
Subject: re: Antarctica's melting ice rate revised to one metre by 2100

Basically the top levels of ice are have melting events now or more so ….the identification of this event for Antarctica and those melting events are causing the ice sheets to break up through the crevices. Simple reason, the melts seep into ice sheet crevices, freeze again and the mass expansion of the melts are cracking up the ice sheets inland and the overhangs a broader extent to the forcing of the shifting ice sheets into the ocean

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Date: 2/04/2016 07:57:36
From: roughbarked
ID: 868116
Subject: re: Antarctica's melting ice rate revised to one metre by 2100

monkey skipper said:


mollwollfumble said:

> “Melting ice from Antarctica could raise oceans by one metre before 2100”

(entering Devil’s advocate mode) Sea level rise in the past 50 years has been SFA, of the same order as changes due to tectonic effects and isostatic rebound. Why should it be any more in the next 50 years?

Because the factors for calculations have more inclusions now that we’re not added to the models of calls for sea level rise. As added in the posts.

more dominoes than we thought?

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Date: 2/04/2016 15:26:33
From: PermeateFree
ID: 868407
Subject: re: Antarctica's melting ice rate revised to one metre by 2100

mollwollfumble said:


> “Melting ice from Antarctica could raise oceans by one metre before 2100”

(entering Devil’s advocate mode) Sea level rise in the past 50 years has been SFA, of the same order as changes due to tectonic effects and isostatic rebound. Why should it be any more in the next 50 years?

Reality is based upon people purchasing property and not being smart enough to understand why the previous owners are selling.

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Date: 2/04/2016 15:29:15
From: Tamb
ID: 868408
Subject: re: Antarctica's melting ice rate revised to one metre by 2100

PermeateFree said:


mollwollfumble said:

> “Melting ice from Antarctica could raise oceans by one metre before 2100”

(entering Devil’s advocate mode) Sea level rise in the past 50 years has been SFA, of the same order as changes due to tectonic effects and isostatic rebound. Why should it be any more in the next 50 years?

Reality is based upon people purchasing property and not being smart enough to understand why the previous owners are selling.


One metre is not such a problem for first world countries. Bad for some Pacific islands though.

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Date: 2/04/2016 15:45:35
From: PermeateFree
ID: 868412
Subject: re: Antarctica's melting ice rate revised to one metre by 2100

Tamb said:


PermeateFree said:

mollwollfumble said:

> “Melting ice from Antarctica could raise oceans by one metre before 2100”

(entering Devil’s advocate mode) Sea level rise in the past 50 years has been SFA, of the same order as changes due to tectonic effects and isostatic rebound. Why should it be any more in the next 50 years?

Reality is based upon people purchasing property and not being smart enough to understand why the previous owners are selling.


One metre is not such a problem for first world countries. Bad for some Pacific islands though.

Coastal erosion is a large factor of rising seas and storm surges would cause major problems. I would imagine there would be many very unhappy people who own coastal property in say, Cairns. Most of our major cities are built next to tidal rivers, so to avoid flooding vast amounts would need to be spent inorder to flood proof them and as sea levels will continue to rise, where will it end. Global Warming will impact everyone no matter where you live, or if you are rich or poor (although probably the poor will be the first to suffer).

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Date: 2/04/2016 23:19:55
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 868570
Subject: re: Antarctica's melting ice rate revised to one metre by 2100

PermeateFree said:


mollwollfumble said:

> “Melting ice from Antarctica could raise oceans by one metre before 2100”

(entering Devil’s advocate mode) Sea level rise in the past 50 years has been SFA, of the same order as changes due to tectonic effects and isostatic rebound. Why should it be any more in the next 50 years?

Reality is based upon people purchasing property and not being smart enough to understand why the previous owners are selling.

What is property in Syria and Mozambique worth at the moment? Never know what a cheap couple of hectares will be worth in 20 years when I have to retire…….

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