Date: 13/04/2016 22:55:12
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 873576
Subject: 'Bizarre' Group of Distant Black Holes are Mysteriously Aligned

’Bizarre’ Group of Distant Black Holes are Mysteriously Aligned

A highly sensitive radio telescope has seen something peculiar in the depths of our cosmos: A group of supermassive black holes are mysteriously aligned, as if captured in a synchronized dance.

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Date: 15/04/2016 20:41:58
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 874652
Subject: re: 'Bizarre' Group of Distant Black Holes are Mysteriously Aligned

CrazyNeutrino said:


’Bizarre’ Group of Distant Black Holes are Mysteriously Aligned

A highly sensitive radio telescope has seen something peculiar in the depths of our cosmos: A group of supermassive black holes are mysteriously aligned, as if captured in a synchronized dance.

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Definition of the word “asterism”.
A chance alignment of celestial objects.

However, I would like to see a calculation of the probability of this chance alignment. It could be that not all of it is chance, if two or more of these galaxies picked up the same spin axis from the cloud of gas and dark matter that they evolved from.

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Date: 15/04/2016 21:07:30
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 874662
Subject: re: 'Bizarre' Group of Distant Black Holes are Mysteriously Aligned

mollwollfumble said:


CrazyNeutrino said:

’Bizarre’ Group of Distant Black Holes are Mysteriously Aligned

A highly sensitive radio telescope has seen something peculiar in the depths of our cosmos: A group of supermassive black holes are mysteriously aligned, as if captured in a synchronized dance.

more…


Definition of the word “asterism”.
A chance alignment of celestial objects.

However, I would like to see a calculation of the probability of this chance alignment. It could be that not all of it is chance, if two or more of these galaxies picked up the same spin axis from the cloud of gas and dark matter that they evolved from.

Wouldn’t this last suggest that particles within even a system as nebulous as a gas cloud shares AM?

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Date: 15/04/2016 21:13:49
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 874668
Subject: re: 'Bizarre' Group of Distant Black Holes are Mysteriously Aligned

Postpocelipse said:


mollwollfumble said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

’Bizarre’ Group of Distant Black Holes are Mysteriously Aligned

A highly sensitive radio telescope has seen something peculiar in the depths of our cosmos: A group of supermassive black holes are mysteriously aligned, as if captured in a synchronized dance.

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Definition of the word “asterism”.
A chance alignment of celestial objects.

However, I would like to see a calculation of the probability of this chance alignment. It could be that not all of it is chance, if two or more of these galaxies picked up the same spin axis from the cloud of gas and dark matter that they evolved from.

Wouldn’t this last suggest that particles within even a system as nebulous as a gas cloud shares AM?

Within an ionised gas cloud that might actually be inevitable……

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Date: 15/04/2016 21:37:51
From: wookiemeister
ID: 874674
Subject: re: 'Bizarre' Group of Distant Black Holes are Mysteriously Aligned

how bizarre

how bizarre

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Date: 15/04/2016 21:40:32
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 874675
Subject: re: 'Bizarre' Group of Distant Black Holes are Mysteriously Aligned

if the universe itself is spinning

all the black holes align with that spin?

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Date: 15/04/2016 21:48:28
From: JudgeMental
ID: 874676
Subject: re: 'Bizarre' Group of Distant Black Holes are Mysteriously Aligned

we don’t believe so and observations so far say no, the universe isn’t spinning.

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Date: 15/04/2016 21:51:00
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 874677
Subject: re: 'Bizarre' Group of Distant Black Holes are Mysteriously Aligned

JudgeMental said:


we don’t believe so and observations so far say no, the universe isn’t spinning.

is it a limited number of black holes

or every black hole in every galaxy

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Date: 15/04/2016 22:02:37
From: JudgeMental
ID: 874679
Subject: re: 'Bizarre' Group of Distant Black Holes are Mysteriously Aligned

just this small group.

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Date: 15/04/2016 22:29:37
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 874693
Subject: re: 'Bizarre' Group of Distant Black Holes are Mysteriously Aligned

JudgeMental said:


just this small group.

Never heard what happened to the previous observation that many galaxies within a filament were ‘mysteriously’ aligned.

This stuff does have me wondering about the violence of both BB expansion and cessation. In particular I question whether particle pairing within such a scenario might have provided a venturi type mechanism against the expansion subsequently causing all particle pairing to occur within primordial BH’s that provided enough gravitational force upon the remaining expanding energy to effectively cease expansion as this energy begins to be absorbed by the newly formed matter at such a rate that the primordial BH’s are broken up into smaller and smaller pieces leaving the filaments we observe as trails of primordial BH destruction. Just a thought…….

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Date: 16/04/2016 22:47:52
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 875349
Subject: re: 'Bizarre' Group of Distant Black Holes are Mysteriously Aligned

Postpocelipse said:


mollwollfumble said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

’Bizarre’ Group of Distant Black Holes are Mysteriously Aligned

A highly sensitive radio telescope has seen something peculiar in the depths of our cosmos: A group of supermassive black holes are mysteriously aligned, as if captured in a synchronized dance.

more…


Definition of the word “asterism”.
A chance alignment of celestial objects.

However, I would like to see a calculation of the probability of this chance alignment. It could be that not all of it is chance, if two or more of these galaxies picked up the same spin axis from the cloud of gas and dark matter that they evolved from.

Wouldn’t this last suggest that particles within even a system as nebulous as a gas cloud shares AM?


Yes. This only happens if the distance within the gas cloud is not too large. For example if the angular momentum is too large for coalescence into a single galaxy.

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Date: 16/04/2016 22:54:10
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 875352
Subject: re: 'Bizarre' Group of Distant Black Holes are Mysteriously Aligned

mollwollfumble said:


Postpocelipse said:

mollwollfumble said:

Definition of the word “asterism”.
A chance alignment of celestial objects.

However, I would like to see a calculation of the probability of this chance alignment. It could be that not all of it is chance, if two or more of these galaxies picked up the same spin axis from the cloud of gas and dark matter that they evolved from.

Wouldn’t this last suggest that particles within even a system as nebulous as a gas cloud shares AM?


Yes. This only happens if the distance within the gas cloud is not too large. For example if the angular momentum is too large for coalescence into a single galaxy.

There are sheer points for centrifugal load?

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Date: 16/04/2016 23:22:58
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 875355
Subject: re: 'Bizarre' Group of Distant Black Holes are Mysteriously Aligned

Postpocelipse said:


mollwollfumble said:

Postpocelipse said:

Wouldn’t this last suggest that particles within even a system as nebulous as a gas cloud shares AM?


Yes. This only happens if the distance within the gas cloud is not too large. For example if the angular momentum is too large for coalescence into a single galaxy.

There are sheer points for centrifugal load?

So hangon,.. shouldn’t that make gravitation the reconciliation of AM disparity and the equal but opposite reaction to centrifugal force?

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Date: 16/04/2016 23:24:59
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 875356
Subject: re: 'Bizarre' Group of Distant Black Holes are Mysteriously Aligned

Postpocelipse said:


Postpocelipse said:

mollwollfumble said:

Yes. This only happens if the distance within the gas cloud is not too large. For example if the angular momentum is too large for coalescence into a single galaxy.

There are sheer points for centrifugal load?

So hangon,.. shouldn’t that make gravitation the reconciliation of AM disparity and the equal but opposite reaction to centrifugal force?

Both being the result of spin alignment?

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Date: 17/04/2016 23:44:42
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 875847
Subject: re: 'Bizarre' Group of Distant Black Holes are Mysteriously Aligned

Postpocelipse said:


There are sheer points for centrifugal load?

So hangon,.. shouldn’t that make gravitation the reconciliation of AM disparity and the equal but opposite reaction to centrifugal force?


What do you mean by “sheer points”? If you mean separation due to centrifugal instabilities then yes. The transition occurs when the minimum energy stable state transitions from being oblate-shaped (bulging at the equator) to being peanut-shaped (with the axis of maximum density perpendicular to the axis of spin) with two or more centres of attraction. This first happens during spin-up as the gas starts to be attracted inwards.

> shouldn’t that make gravitation the reconciliation of AM disparity
No, Gravity acts towards the local centre of concentration. In a peanut-shape the two lobes act as separate centres of attraction, forming two separate galaxies. So for two galaxies formed from the same gas you would tend to get aligned galaxy spin.

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