Date: 15/04/2016 22:31:40
From: JTQ
ID: 874695
Subject: Non-stationary objects

This gif me of the question I once had but never seemed to get an answer for.

Let’s say there is a car is driving 100kph, and the wind is blowing in the same direction also at 100kph. If the driver put their arm out the window, would they feel any wind, or would it feel just like it would if the car were to be stationary?

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Date: 15/04/2016 22:33:10
From: JudgeMental
ID: 874698
Subject: re: Non-stationary objects

yes. ever been sailing?

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Date: 15/04/2016 22:33:12
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 874699
Subject: re: Non-stationary objects

JTQ said:

or would it feel just like it would if the car were to be stationary?

Yes

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Date: 15/04/2016 22:33:59
From: JudgeMental
ID: 874701
Subject: re: Non-stationary objects

2 seconds.

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Date: 15/04/2016 22:34:24
From: JTQ
ID: 874702
Subject: re: Non-stationary objects

JudgeMental said:


yes. ever been sailing?

no.

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Date: 15/04/2016 22:34:50
From: wookiemeister
ID: 874703
Subject: re: Non-stationary objects

whats the sound of one one hand clapping?

a “high five”

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Date: 15/04/2016 22:35:51
From: JTQ
ID: 874704
Subject: re: Non-stationary objects

That’s a simple answer then. Cheers :)

I’ve done a lot of travelling around the state (and interstate) over the last 15 months but never tried to travel at the same speed as the wind and put my arm out the window to see how it feels.

Might give it a go next time.

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Date: 15/04/2016 22:35:53
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 874705
Subject: re: Non-stationary objects

JudgeMental said:


2 seconds.

It was a mistake editing the quote.

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Date: 15/04/2016 22:36:21
From: JTQ
ID: 874708
Subject: re: Non-stationary objects

wookiemeister said:


whats the sound of one one hand clapping?

a “high five”

Unless you’re a Simpson. Then it’s a high four.

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Date: 15/04/2016 22:36:52
From: JTQ
ID: 874709
Subject: re: Non-stationary objects

JTQ said:


wookiemeister said:

whats the sound of one one hand clapping?

a “high five”

Unless you’re a Simpson. Then it’s a high four.

Or a Japanese poem. Then it’s a high koo.

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Date: 15/04/2016 22:37:20
From: JudgeMental
ID: 874710
Subject: re: Non-stationary objects

in sailing if you have a light breeze coming from behind it can get awfully hot, you sail in summer cos it is nicer, because you are going nearly as fast as the breeze. so no cooling effect.

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Date: 15/04/2016 22:38:38
From: wookiemeister
ID: 874713
Subject: re: Non-stationary objects

JTQ said:


JTQ said:

wookiemeister said:

whats the sound of one one hand clapping?

a “high five”

Unless you’re a Simpson. Then it’s a high four.

Or a Japanese poem. Then it’s a high koo.


if its scottish poetry its och aye the noo

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Date: 15/04/2016 22:44:39
From: JTQ
ID: 874724
Subject: re: Non-stationary objects

JudgeMental said:


in sailing if you have a light breeze coming from behind it can get awfully hot, you sail in summer cos it is nicer, because you are going nearly as fast as the breeze. so no cooling effect.

Fair enough :)

Last time I went on a boat was a speedboat on the Murray, and it was umm… hmm… 9th January last year. Brooke and Maddi and I were taken down the river to find koalas, but went a lot faster than the light breeze at the time.

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Date: 16/04/2016 22:36:16
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 875336
Subject: re: Non-stationary objects

JTQ said:


This gif me of the question I once had but never seemed to get an answer for.

Let’s say there is a car is driving 100kph, and the wind is blowing in the same direction also at 100kph. If the driver put their arm out the window, would they feel any wind, or would it feel just like it would if the car were to be stationary?


The wind can’t blow at 100 kph. That’s why you never got the answer you wanted. First, wind speed increases with height, so at any height near the ground there is going to be some wind shear. But more importantly, wind at that sort of speed is turbulent, and the intensity of the turbulence is proportional to the wind speed so:

1. If the wind could blow at 100 kph then it would feel as if the car was stationary.

2. But because of both wind shear and wind turbulence it is very easy to distinguish between the cases of the moving car and the stationary car.

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Date: 16/04/2016 22:40:13
From: dv
ID: 875340
Subject: re: Non-stationary objects

mollwollfumble said:

That’s why you never got the answer you wanted.

How did you work out what answer he wanted?

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Date: 17/04/2016 01:16:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 875366
Subject: re: Non-stationary objects

These aren’t the answers you’re wanting for.

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Date: 17/04/2016 08:54:19
From: JudgeMental
ID: 875409
Subject: re: Non-stationary objects

The wind can’t blow at 100 kph. That’s why you never got the answer you wanted.

LOL. Don’t ever do physics with perfect spheres, in a vacuum with no friction then. sheesh.

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Date: 17/04/2016 09:10:05
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 875413
Subject: re: Non-stationary objects

JudgeMental said:


The wind can’t blow at 100 kph. That’s why you never got the answer you wanted.

LOL. Don’t ever do physics with perfect spheres, in a vacuum with no friction then. sheesh.


There’s a difference between a first-order effect and a second-order effect. Turbulent winds at that height and wind speed tend to be of the order of 40% of the mean wind speed.

What he wanted was that because of frame of reference you can’t tell the difference between the two cases.

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Date: 17/04/2016 09:17:59
From: JudgeMental
ID: 875416
Subject: re: Non-stationary objects

no, he was posing a hypothetical. that is all.

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Date: 17/04/2016 09:21:40
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 875418
Subject: re: Non-stationary objects

“ Don’t ever do physics with perfect spheres, in a vacuum with no friction then. sheesh.”

There are a couple of experiments I’d love to do in a vacuum with perfect surfaces, the first one being the testing of a superconducting mirror for space applications. Even a mirror of lithium would suffer degradation due to oxidation if tested in air, and in an inert atmosphere there’s the concern that the atmosphere molecules could affect the surface reflectiveness.

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