Date: 2/05/2016 07:41:19
From: monkey skipper
ID: 883168
Subject: Eradicate Carp with Herpes

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-01/herpes-to-eradicate-carp-in-murray-river-pyne-says/737373

Herpes virus to be used in fight against carp in Murray River, Christopher Pyne says

A virulent strain of herpes virus will be released into the Murray-Darling river system in a bid to eradicate European carp, in what Science Minister Christopher Pyne has dubbed a “carp-aggedon”.

The Federal Government estimates the $15 million project will kill 95 per cent of carp in the river system over the next 30 years.

Speaking in Adelaide, Mr Pyne said the herpes strain cyprinid herpesvirus-3 would be released in 2018.

He said research by the CSIRO had shown the virus is safe, and has no impact on humans.

affects the European carp by attacking their kidneys, their skin, their gills and stopping them breathing effectively,” he said.

“They have the virus for a week before they show any symptoms and it suddenly kills them within 24 hours.”

He said the delay in release was due to the significant planning needed to deal with the sudden impact the virus may have on the river.

“Suddenly, there will be literally hundreds of thousands, if not millions of tonnes of carp that will be dead in the River Murray,” Mr Pyne said.

“We have to have a clean-up program. We need a community consultation program. We need to have legislative changes potentially.”

He said much of the $15 million in funding would go towards the disposal of the dead carp.

“There’s obvious talk about whether the carp could be used for fertiliser, whether they could be used for pet food, whether they’ll need to be buried in large graves and be allowed to dissipate back into the system,” he said.

Agriculture and Water Resources Minister Barnaby Joyce described European carp as the “rabbits of our waterways” and said the virus had a high success rate.

“We know even in conditions that don’t quite work in our favour, we can have a kill rate of over 70 per cent,” he said.

“We’re looking at more than 500,000 tonnes of carp that will be killed, up to 2,000,000 tonne of carp.

“We’ve seen in lakes, in Japan, lakes that are multiple times the size of Sydney Harbour, we’ve lost 70 per cent of the European carp in two weeks.”

He said damage caused by carp costs the economy as much as $500 million per year.

Scientists at the CSIRO have spent years testing the virus in “the world’s most sophisticated high containment facility”, to determine whether it can effectively reduce carp numbers without harming other species.

causes high death rates in common carp and in the ornamental koi carp,” the CSIRO website said.

“No other species of fish, including goldfish, are known to be affected by the virus.”

Matt Barwick, a senior fisheries manager with the Department of Primary Industries, said people in Israel eat carp with traces of the virus every day, and there was no evidence of health issues.

“They treat almost all of their carp grown for human consumption with a live attenuated vaccine to this virus, which is basically a weakened version of the virus,” he said.

“So there is up to 58 million individual carp that are eaten for breakfast in Israel every day, with this virus, and there’s never been a single documented human health issue.”

Carp were first introduced to Australia in the mid to late 1800s, and are now found in every Australian state outside the Northern Territory.

Widespread flooding in the 1970s helped spread the pests throughout the Murray-Darling system.

Reply Quote

Date: 2/05/2016 07:45:55
From: roughbarked
ID: 883171
Subject: re: Eradicate Carp with Herpes

monkey skipper said:

Widespread flooding in the 1970s helped spread the pests throughout the Murray-Darling system.

Yeah. I remember what it was like before they came.

There have been piles of dead carp on the riverbanks ever since. Fishermen would catch them and leave them to dry.

Reply Quote

Date: 2/05/2016 07:49:26
From: monkey skipper
ID: 883172
Subject: re: Eradicate Carp with Herpes

roughbarked said:


monkey skipper said:

Widespread flooding in the 1970s helped spread the pests throughout the Murray-Darling system.

Yeah. I remember what it was like before they came.

There have been piles of dead carp on the riverbanks ever since. Fishermen would catch them and leave them to dry.

Yep.

Reply Quote

Date: 2/05/2016 07:54:15
From: stumpy_seahorse
ID: 883173
Subject: re: Eradicate Carp with Herpes

monkey skipper said:


roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

Widespread flooding in the 1970s helped spread the pests throughout the Murray-Darling system.

Yeah. I remember what it was like before they came.

There have been piles of dead carp on the riverbanks ever since. Fishermen would catch them and leave them to dry.

Yep.

One thing the drought was good for

Reply Quote

Date: 2/05/2016 07:55:51
From: roughbarked
ID: 883174
Subject: re: Eradicate Carp with Herpes

monkey skipper said:


roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

Widespread flooding in the 1970s helped spread the pests throughout the Murray-Darling system.

Yeah. I remember what it was like before they came.

There have been piles of dead carp on the riverbanks ever since. Fishermen would catch them and leave them to dry.

Yep.

I know that redfin are also introduced but at least they could be eaten. My first encounter with carp was earlier. Probably about 1968, A friend and I were on the main canal bank where we often caught redfin and occasionally even big Murray Cod. I saw a flash of silver, then two flashes, my friend went down on one knee and waited a few seconds. When the silver flashes came again I could see a small redfin being chased by… swoosh, my friend scooped it out of the water like a bear catching a salmon. A huge carp. We saved one redfin that day.

Reply Quote

Date: 2/05/2016 07:57:39
From: roughbarked
ID: 883175
Subject: re: Eradicate Carp with Herpes

stumpy_seahorse said:


monkey skipper said:

roughbarked said:

Yeah. I remember what it was like before they came.

There have been piles of dead carp on the riverbanks ever since. Fishermen would catch them and leave them to dry.

Yep.

One thing the drought was good for

There were big floods in the late fifties and a very dry drought in 65/67 This drought broke in 1968. That’s when the carp started.

Reply Quote

Date: 2/05/2016 07:58:25
From: monkey skipper
ID: 883176
Subject: re: Eradicate Carp with Herpes

stumpy_seahorse said:


monkey skipper said:

roughbarked said:

Yeah. I remember what it was like before they came.

There have been piles of dead carp on the riverbanks ever since. Fishermen would catch them and leave them to dry.

Yep.

One thing the drought was good for

Carp stir up silt, devastate the reproduction rates of other fish stocks by consuming fish eggs and can adapt to living in poor quality waterways and low river flows with dwindling flows and that robustness is profound. I am in favour of ridding the river systems of them and if safe to do so , turning the killed fish into food pellets.

Reply Quote

Date: 2/05/2016 08:04:41
From: stumpy_seahorse
ID: 883177
Subject: re: Eradicate Carp with Herpes

monkey skipper said:


stumpy_seahorse said:

monkey skipper said:

Yep.

One thing the drought was good for

Carp stir up silt, devastate the reproduction rates of other fish stocks by consuming fish eggs and can adapt to living in poor quality waterways and low river flows with dwindling flows and that robustness is profound. I am in favour of ridding the river systems of them and if safe to do so , turning the killed fish into food pellets.

the difference between Carp and native fish, instinctively, native fish head downstream during drought times tokeep in good water. Carp head upstream to find a body of water to survive in. In Australia, we don’t get water hanging around like that, it tends to dry up, leaving dead carp in dried up areas

Reply Quote

Date: 2/05/2016 08:08:19
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 883178
Subject: re: Eradicate Carp with Herpes

monkey skipper said:


Herpes virus to be used in fight against carp in Murray River, Christopher Pyne says

I’d much rather not eat carp, and eradicate Christopher Pyne.

Reply Quote

Date: 2/05/2016 08:10:44
From: monkey skipper
ID: 883179
Subject: re: Eradicate Carp with Herpes

Spiny Norman said:


monkey skipper said:

Herpes virus to be used in fight against carp in Murray River, Christopher Pyne says

I’d much rather not eat carp, and eradicate Christopher Pyne.

I see. He he

Reply Quote

Date: 2/05/2016 08:14:45
From: monkey skipper
ID: 883181
Subject: re: Eradicate Carp with Herpes

stumpy_seahorse said:


monkey skipper said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

One thing the drought was good for

Carp stir up silt, devastate the reproduction rates of other fish stocks by consuming fish eggs and can adapt to living in poor quality waterways and low river flows with dwindling flows and that robustness is profound. I am in favour of ridding the river systems of them and if safe to do so , turning the killed fish into food pellets.

the difference between Carp and native fish, instinctively, native fish head downstream during drought times tokeep in good water. Carp head upstream to find a body of water to survive in. In Australia, we don’t get water hanging around like that, it tends to dry up, leaving dead carp in dried up areas

Interesting

Reply Quote

Date: 2/05/2016 08:18:09
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 883182
Subject: re: Eradicate Carp with Herpes

Quite apart from the Pyne association, is this a good idea?

How do you test the effect of a virulent new disease on the entire eco-system before actually releasing it?

Reply Quote

Date: 2/05/2016 08:18:37
From: roughbarked
ID: 883183
Subject: re: Eradicate Carp with Herpes

monkey skipper said:


Spiny Norman said:

monkey skipper said:

Herpes virus to be used in fight against carp in Murray River, Christopher Pyne says

I’d much rather not eat carp, and eradicate Christopher Pyne.

I see. He he

It would be so good to be rid of him from the public eye.

Reply Quote

Date: 2/05/2016 08:19:35
From: monkey skipper
ID: 883184
Subject: re: Eradicate Carp with Herpes

The Rev Dodgson said:


Quite apart from the Pyne association, is this a good idea?

How do you test the effect of a virulent new disease on the entire eco-system before actually releasing it?

Perhaps view the linked stories at the end of the OP article.

Reply Quote

Date: 2/05/2016 08:20:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 883185
Subject: re: Eradicate Carp with Herpes

The Rev Dodgson said:


Quite apart from the Pyne association, is this a good idea?

How do you test the effect of a virulent new disease on the entire eco-system before actually releasing it?

We can blame the CSIRO if it goes belly up.

Reply Quote

Date: 2/05/2016 08:28:11
From: roughbarked
ID: 883188
Subject: re: Eradicate Carp with Herpes

The OP link didn’t work for me.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-01/herpes-to-eradicate-carp-in-murray-river-pyne-says/7373736

Reply Quote

Date: 2/05/2016 08:50:47
From: poikilotherm
ID: 883191
Subject: re: Eradicate Carp with Herpes

The Rev Dodgson said:


Quite apart from the Pyne association, is this a good idea?

How do you test the effect of a virulent new disease on the entire eco-system before actually releasing it?

Modelling.

Reply Quote

Date: 2/05/2016 08:53:08
From: buffy
ID: 883193
Subject: re: Eradicate Carp with Herpes

The Rev Dodgson said:


Quite apart from the Pyne association, is this a good idea?

How do you test the effect of a virulent new disease on the entire eco-system before actually releasing it?

I wondered about that myself. I hope none of the native fish turn out to be susceptible.

Reply Quote

Date: 2/05/2016 09:02:59
From: monkey skipper
ID: 883195
Subject: re: Eradicate Carp with Herpes

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-20/european-carp-virus/7341190

Waiting approval

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-18/carp-control-virus-might-have-unintended-consequences-anglers/7179360

Prior info about the same concerns rev and buffy

Reply Quote