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One would assume the infant universe described in BB theory to have been made from more buoyant particles than the present day universe and this matter as an aggregate to have had a fairly specific refractory value. One can state that two things are factual since-that the original diffuse matter has become less so and that the buoyancy of that matter has also lessened.

The origin state would be described as super-fluid which has developed to a more complex state of bound inertia through crystallisation of denser matter.

Can one assume that the origin super-fluid state should have acted minimally on the space it occupied as it’s charge state was maximally uniform as may seem apparent from investigation into helium super-fluid states?

Given that helium was the most abundant element during the infancy of the universe, could one assume that chemical interaction between heavier primal elements facilitated by lightning action within the super-fluid origin state will have contributed to the breakdown of the super-fluid state? (question note-included primarily for enhancing image vividity)

What is the refraction value of the infant universes plasma?

What is the refraction value of the current inter-galactic medium?

Why does space accelerate?

hydrogen was the most abundant, ~ 75%, helium ~ 23%, and some lithium and beryllium.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang_nucleosynthesis

ChrispenEvan said:

hydrogen was the most abundant, ~ 75%, helium ~ 23%, and some lithium and beryllium.

Due correction. What my reference characterises is the state of the plasma at boiling point, ie; the point the universe stopped expanding. I assume this temperature threshold will have been regulated by the uni-polarity in the super-fluid states of helium and referred to it in this manner to identify the precise measurable moment of expansion cessation.

the early universe was opaque to light until around 370 000 years after the BB. this we see as the cmbr and called the recombination era.

http://www.astro.cornell.edu/academics/courses/astro201/recombination.htm

the time in this article is more accurate i believe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recombination_(cosmology)

378 000

ChrispenEvan said:

the early universe was opaque to light until around 370 000 years after the BB. this we see as the cmbr and called the recombination era.

http://www.astro.cornell.edu/academics/courses/astro201/recombination.htm

Yes. All charge will have been super-conducted at that point……

I assume………

Yes. All charge will have been super-conducted at that point……

nah, just normal plasma physics. bit like when spacecraft re-enter the earth’s atmosphere and the heat of that ionises the air and stops radio transmission.

ChrispenEvan said:

the time in this article is more accurate i believe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recombination_(cosmology)

hydrogen was the most abundant, ~ 75%, helium ~ 23%, and some lithium and beryllium.

378 000

Can that be broken down chemically? I thought there was also primal oxygen? The denser elements should have discharged a lot of energy quickly during recombination

those were the only elements formed in the BB. no others. it was neither hot enough or dense enough for long enough for any others to form. read the wiki on nucleosynthesis.

ChrispenEvan said:

Yes. All charge will have been super-conducted at that point……

nah, just normal plasma physics. bit like when spacecraft re-enter the earth’s atmosphere and the heat of that ionises the air and stops radio transmission.

I am not speaking post expansion state of the plasma. With the creation of heavier elements during expansion the original super-fluid hydrogen/helium state of expansion will have broken down and created the drag that ceased expansion.

ChrispenEvan said:

those were the only elements formed in the BB. no others. it was neither hot enough or dense enough for long enough for any others to form. read the wiki on nucleosynthesis.

I was testing your recall, forgive me. I will take your word for it and just look up those elements to figure out some basic measurements.

Postpocelipse said:

ChrispenEvan said:

the early universe was opaque to light until around 370 000 years after the BB. this we see as the cmbr and called the recombination era.

http://www.astro.cornell.edu/academics/courses/astro201/recombination.htm

Yes. All charge will have been super-conducted at that point……

That makes no sense at all. None. Nada. Zip.

Postpocelipse said:

nah, just normal plasma physics. bit like when spacecraft re-enter the earth’s atmosphere and the heat of that ionises the air and stops radio transmission.

Ok. To borrow your analogy suppose lithium and beryllium are the spacecraft re-entering the atmosphere?

If they are exiting a dense mass of super-fluid hydrogen/helium what is their relative velocity to the hydrogen and helium? I suppose that would translate as…. what conducted first, the lithium or the beryllium?

sibeen said:

Postpocelipse said:

ChrispenEvan said:

the early universe was opaque to light until around 370 000 years after the BB. this we see as the cmbr and called the recombination era.

http://www.astro.cornell.edu/academics/courses/astro201/recombination.htm

Yes. All charge will have been super-conducted at that point……

That makes no sense at all. None. Nada. Zip.

Well I hope you are working on that………..

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

nah, just normal plasma physics. bit like when spacecraft re-enter the earth’s atmosphere and the heat of that ionises the air and stops radio transmission.

Ok. To borrow your analogy suppose lithium and beryllium are the spacecraft re-entering the atmosphere?

If they are exiting a dense mass of super-fluid hydrogen/helium what is their relative velocity to the hydrogen and helium? I suppose that would translate as…. what conducted first, the lithium or the beryllium?

That should have been semi-conducted technically, but the mistake gives it better theatrical tenor.

Tesla lamp filled with hydrogen helium, two anodes, one lithium the other beryllium. If one calculates temperature as voltage, what is the discharge product between the lithium and beryllium?
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at this point you might be wondering how this ties in to refraction value of space between expansion cessation and recombination and what we observe today. It’s like “command called radio silence and then someone went and broke radio silence before we were ready and now we have to work out where we are! Can we still go with plan a or is it now b?”

Anyway, refraction value, space dilation and how do they relate to virtual particles? During recombination the equilibrium of expansion energy has to ground out. Until this equilibrium is dispelled virtual particles acquire greater potential allowing greater interaction between primal elements.

Nanoparticles found to violate second law of thermodynamics

Scientists turn table salt into forbidden compounds that violate textbook rules

Warp drive looks more promising than ever in recent NASA studies

Tesla airlines invites you to enjoy the linked entertainment material but apologises that popcorn must be supplied by the viewer……..

Bizarre fourth state of water discovered

Once the big bang occcured I wonder if you could compress that matter back into its original state and size, at what point in time would that become impossible.

Before the BB all the matter in the universe could fit on the head of a pin.
And if the universe is infinite that matter would have an infinite mass but no weight.
Then one day God was pottering around and he bumped it and it went Bang and there was shit everywhere.
That’s all I know.

Once the big bang occcured I wonder if you could compress that matter back into its original state and size, at what point in time would that become impossible.

i guess so. “singularities” are fairly common in the Universe.

ChrispenEvan said:

Once the big bang occcured I wonder if you could compress that matter back into its original state and size, at what point in time would that become impossible.

i guess so. “singularities” are fairly common in the Universe.

Yes but could you recollapse all the matter in the universe into one or would only the matter that existed just after the big bang occurred be able to be compressed into such a tiny dense point.

ChrispenEvan said:

Once the big bang occcured I wonder if you could compress that matter back into its original state and size, at what point in time would that become impossible.

i guess so. “singularities” are fairly common in the Universe.

There is the bouncing universe theory. Big Bang, Big Crunch repeated.

Yes but could you recollapse all the matter in the universe into one or would only the matter that existed just after the big bang occurred be able to be compressed into such a tiny dense point.

all the matter now in the Universe was there just after the BB, we haven’t acquired any extra in the 13.7 billion years this Universe has been in existence.

There is the bouncing universe theory. Big Bang, Big Crunch repeated.

not a likely scenario any more with the discovery of Dark energy and the accelerating expansion.

ChrispenEvan said:

There is the bouncing universe theory. Big Bang, Big Crunch repeated.

not a likely scenario any more with the discovery of Dark energy and the accelerating expansion.

I’m not espousing the theory, merely offering it for perusal.

ChrispenEvan said:

Yes but could you recollapse all the matter in the universe into one or would only the matter that existed just after the big bang occurred be able to be compressed into such a tiny dense point.

all the matter now in the Universe was there just after the BB, we haven’t acquired any extra in the 13.7 billion years this Universe has been in existence.

Yes but wasn’t the matter in the early universe very different to what it is now, are the types of matter in existence now compressible to the same extent

there was no “matter” as such in the very early Universe. just nuclei and before that just the elementary particles and so on. but some the “singularities” that now exist are the result of supernova. these are from stars that have all the elements in the present day Universe. so yes, it could be compressed back. it would just reverse the evolution. it would get hotter and denser until the atoms disassociated into a plasma. exactly what the early Universe was like.

I know Tamb, just saying that the oscillating Universe theory isn’t an option any more.

ChrispenEvan said:

there was no “matter” as such in the very early Universe. just nuclei and before that just the elementary particles and so on. but some the “singularities” that now exist are the result of supernova. these are from stars that have all the elements in the present day Universe. so yes, it could be compressed back. it would just reverse the evolution. it would get hotter and denser until the atoms disassociated into a plasma. exactly what the early Universe was like.

I know Tamb, just saying that the oscillating Universe theory isn’t an option any more.

OK. Thanks. Sadly I don’t keep up to date on this stuff.

ChrispenEvan said:

there was no “matter” as such in the very early Universe. just nuclei and before that just the elementary particles and so on. but some the “singularities” that now exist are the result of supernova. these are from stars that have all the elements in the present day Universe. so yes, it could be compressed back. it would just reverse the evolution. it would get hotter and denser until the atoms disassociated into a plasma. exactly what the early Universe was like.

I know Tamb, just saying that the oscillating Universe theory isn’t an option any more.

I still wouldn’t rule this out myself. Not until vacuum virtual particles are concisely quantified. I am getting to that with a little preparation required but in the mean time I thought I might prod the scenario your reference provided.

What would be the product of an electrical discharge of equal energy to the temperature of the primordial plasma, between lithium and beryllium elements with helium and hydrogen present?

To provide some substance on vacuum virtual particles I have intentionally involved BB. The description ‘the pre-BB singularity fit all the matter in the universe in the size of a pinhead’ is an entirely meaningless and rhetorical explanation. To describe a singularity of energy only requires appropriating the term ‘uni-directional ambiguity’.

As it happens, vacuum virtual particles are a good place to begin assessing energetic uni-directional ambiguity. Unfortunately for those on the edge of their seat, 5:30 am with no sleep and 18 months of stress to evacuate is not a good condition to begin that in-depth analysis so I’ll pick this up at a later point.