I have never been of the belief that The First Testament was originally transcribed as an intended factual account of history. What I believe distinguishes the Hebrew religion and culture is it’s being the primary example in history of a cultural philosophy that valued wisdom over might. The First Testament would have been used as a tool to test those who sought the most valued social position of the priesthood. Each tale can be used to draw questions from to test the level of thinking of a student. A primary example might be;

“What is the nature of the fruit which Eve accepted?”

This question can be answered in myriad ways, each one with a philosophical value a teacher can assess. There are enough tales to provide an assessor ample opportunity to explore a students strengths and weaknesses. As an argument for the existence of god it is a highly debatable vehicle. As something a christian can claim to understand would be immediately obvious if they were to reference it as a record of substantive factuality.

Subsequently I conclude that any reference to TFT’s fallibility as an hysterical record to be poor science and not a diligent effort to seek a test of the existence of a creative divinity as underlying the coherence of the universe. I also have issues with “if it is not real it cannot be proven” as this is a blow off that evades any effort to put the question to a substantive test that can resolve the question to any satisfaction.

So, what would represent a substantive test?

“it’s being the primary example in history of a cultural philosophy that valued wisdom over might.”

Your reading a different Bible than I have

Thomo said:

“it’s being the primary example in history of a cultural philosophy that valued wisdom over might.”

Your reading a different Bible than I have

Yes I just said you don’t read the bible to judge the history of the hebrew. You might look at the results.

Thomo said:

“it’s being the primary example in history of a cultural philosophy that valued wisdom over might.”

Your reading a different Bible than I have

One story that might be indicative of a genuine historical reference might be the story of moses. I’m of the inclination that this indicates the philosphical nucleus of the hebrew people may have been the subjects of Akhanaten. I expect those who left with him to build his alternate capital to have been outcast after his passing. It is obvious that at the time the original priesthood held substantial power in the fact they invested so much in Tutenkhamen who, at the time of his deification by the priesthood, would have been the original great pharoah in a tale intended to state, yes we lost our great leader with divine insight when we got hereabouts wherever we are but he really had some good ideas so don’t think we aren’t worth hanging around with just cause someone over there says we are traitors and vagabonds.

Postpocelipse said:

Thomo said:

“it’s being the primary example in history of a cultural philosophy that valued wisdom over might.”

Your reading a different Bible than I have

One story that might be indicative of a genuine historical reference might be the story of moses. I’m of the inclination that this indicates the philosphical nucleus of the hebrew people may have been the subjects of Akhanaten. I expect those who left with him to build his alternate capital to have been outcast after his passing. It is obvious that at the time the original priesthood held substantial power in the fact they invested so much in Tutenkhamen who, at the time of his deification by the priesthood, would have been the original great pharoah in a tale intended to state, yes we lost our great leader with divine insight when we got hereabouts wherever we are but he really had some good ideas so don’t think we aren’t worth hanging around with just cause someone over there says we are traitors and vagabonds.

A possible explanation for the part with the red sea swallowing up great pharoah’s army might be linked to another observation that the original text describing ‘red sea’ actually read ‘reed sea’ which was/is the area adjacent to the Nile delta which would experience significant drainage in the event of a tidal wave. This has a high degree of likelihood of having been an actual occurrence with it’s proximity to both the turkish fault zones and the volcanic activity of the mediterranean. Coincidentally, there is evidence the survivors of the Minoan culture would also have been outcast from europe and may have contributed to a mid-eastern transient culture with a high degree of inherited learning.

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Thomo said:

“it’s being the primary example in history of a cultural philosophy that valued wisdom over might.”

Your reading a different Bible than I have

One story that might be indicative of a genuine historical reference might be the story of moses. I’m of the inclination that this indicates the philosphical nucleus of the hebrew people may have been the subjects of Akhanaten. I expect those who left with him to build his alternate capital to have been outcast after his passing. It is obvious that at the time the original priesthood held substantial power in the fact they invested so much in Tutenkhamen who, at the time of his deification by the priesthood, would have been the original great pharoah in a tale intended to state, yes we lost our great leader with divine insight when we got hereabouts wherever we are but he really had some good ideas so don’t think we aren’t worth hanging around with just cause someone over there says we are traitors and vagabonds.

A possible explanation for the part with the red sea swallowing up great pharoah’s army might be linked to another observation that the original text describing ‘red sea’ actually read ‘reed sea’ which was/is the area adjacent to the Nile delta which would experience significant drainage in the event of a tidal wave. This has a high degree of likelihood of having been an actual occurrence with it’s proximity to both the turkish fault zones and the volcanic activity of the mediterranean. Coincidentally, there is evidence the survivors of the Minoan culture would also have been outcast from europe and may have contributed to a mid-eastern transient culture with a high degree of inherited learning.

A possible way the red sea inclusion came to feature is hinted at in the pharoah who dreams of drought etc. It is somewhat possibly that an event that convinced a large portion of Akhenaten’s legitimacy may have resulted from his possibly having foretold an event in a manner that allowed some mitigation of a tidal wave event in the Nile Delta.

I would suggest that the Noah tale may have been compiled by Minoans.

The masses are safe but the question remains
What of the forgotten ones the chosen ones disdain
Our might brings comfort to body and mind
A smoky liquor to sight and vein
And hence we dare to tread upon
The message spelt in blood and brawn
Through histories crease
Our fathers knelt upon
To forget those gathered to raise the Khan
Who showed the world to forget is wrong

The Minoan event occurred approximately 300 years before Arkhenaten. With investigation it might be revealed that there was some interaction between the Minoan and Egyptian civilizations that may have both incorporated possible learned survivors into the Egyptian court and fostered a harbouring of the displaced people in general. This seems in accordance with the elements of TFT’s references to enslaved peoples when considering that after 300 years the internal attitude toward the descendants of Minoan survivors may have transitioned significantly.

Postpocelipse said:

The Minoan event occurred approximately 300 years before Arkhenaten. With investigation it might be revealed that there was some interaction between the Minoan and Egyptian civilizations that may have both incorporated possible learned survivors into the Egyptian court and fostered a harbouring of the displaced people in general. This seems in accordance with the elements of TFT’s references to enslaved peoples when considering that after 300 years the internal attitude toward the descendants of Minoan survivors may have transitioned significantly-with a sense of debt involved.

God

dv said:

God

What do you want.

Can you makes rock so heavy you can’t lift it?

And then drop it on this thread.

dv said:

Can you makes rock so heavy you can’t lift it?

And then drop it on this thread.

No palate for rumination over historical migrations involving displaced natural disaster refugees? Might be more interesting than the man-made disasters being talked about these days…………..

And I thought the challenge of identifying a genuinely subjective test of potential loitering divinity might represent at least an interesting intellectual debate of common reason and scientific method but apparently people are simply not up for a challenge that demands they suspend their own confirmation bias.

….whatever.

dv said:

Can you makes rock so heavy you can’t lift it?

And then drop it on this thread.

Don’t have any opinion on the philosphical nucleii of the jewish people originating with the Minoan exit and Noah story and culminating in the Arkhenaten outlaws and the Moses story? Seems like too many coinci-dinks for my money.

dv said:

Can you makes rock so heavy you can’t lift it?

And then drop it on this thread.

So heavy we can’t lift. You’d assume He could lift Life the Universe and Everything………

Oh yeah remember that whole bull worship thing with Moses? Don’t think that draws a very obvious link to Minoa?

Arkhenaten was deformed but somehow overcame the influence of the priesthood who were until then indispensable to the monarchy’s being upheldwith such substantial deformity it could easily be supposed he also had some form of speech impediment-another possible link to the moses story.

If a minoan influence did effect the jewish peoples through a relationship with Egypt, there appears some possibility that stories of the importance of the jewish temple may have been bolstered by the coincidence of the Egyptian building of the temple of Karnak in about the same time period. Were Minoan artisans involved there possibly with the remnant of the babylonian jews who may have been valued for building knowledge also?

Postpocelipse said:

Arkhenaten was deformed but somehow overcame the influence of the priesthood who were until then indispensable to the monarchy’s being upheldwith such substantial deformity it could easily be supposed he also had some form of speech impediment-another possible link to the moses story.

If a minoan influence did effect the jewish peoples through a relationship with Egypt, there appears some possibility that stories of the importance of the jewish temple may have been bolstered by the coincidence of the Egyptian building of the temple of Karnak in about the same time period. Were Minoan artisans involved there possibly with the remnant of the babylonian jews who may have been valued for building knowledge also?

It might seem inevitable that refugees with skills will have been a commodity to show hospitality toward during times of wealth as in the era of the building of Karnak but to become burdensome in times of confusion and change as Arkhenaten’s reign endured.

Arkhenaten left Cairo behind to build a new capital. A large population of refugees with building skills but no blood ties to the priesthood will have been a political weapon that may have facilitated Arkhenaten’s coup against the priestly aristocracy…..

Postpocelipse said:

Arkhenaten left Cairo behind to build a new capital. A large population of refugees with building skills but no blood ties to the priesthood will have been a political weapon that may have facilitated Arkhenaten’s coup against the priestly aristocracy…..

If that population were also monotheistic it kinda get’s a bit obvious, but that’s just my tendency to jump to an assumption probs……..

> One story that might be indicative of a genuine historical reference might be the story of moses.

No! Archaeology has repeatedly shown that the Exodus never happened. The story of Moses is pure fiction.
The same is true of the much later story of Joshua at Jericho.

The earliest true thing in the Bible is that there were Israelites in Jerusalem circa 1000 BC.

mollwollfumble said:

> One story that might be indicative of a genuine historical reference might be the story of moses.

No! Archaeology has repeatedly shown that the Exodus never happened. The story of Moses is pure fiction.
The same is true of the much later story of Joshua at Jericho.

The earliest true thing in the Bible is that there were Israelites in Jerusalem circa 1000 BC.

Not one exodus but many. There are instances of mass displacement of peoples through war, famine and natural disaster. Between the time of the Minoan disaster and the reign of Arkhenaten there are very distinct occurrences that are linked to the effects of both the explosive element of the Minoan event and it’s resulting tidal waves-at least 3 of them of 100ft in height as I recall.

At the time of the event the Egyptian cculture was experiencing relative wealth and built the temple of Karnak, one might assume with remnants of the babylonian jews who may have been a commodity as builders. By the time of Arkhenaten their was a distinct decline in prosperity in the region and this may have contributed to Arkhenaten’s coup against the priesthood. The priesthood could not offer an answer to the damage that the mediteranean cataclysm had left behind.

This gave Arkhenaten the opportunity to use the numbers of the babylonian refugees who had at one time between a respected commodity in times of wealth but had become less welcome during the famine following the disaster. I assume Arkhenaten’s court had also harboured the original aristocratic refugees since the event and this relationship ensured these babylonian population would stand with Arkhenaten. Off wanders Arkhenaten into the desert to rebuild the capital where the Nile had moved to since the tidal waves had reshaped the delta. This is the factor that will have confounded the priesthoods persuasion of the indigent egyptian population.

The Nile moves back which restores the egyptian faith in the priesthood. The followers of Arkhenaten become outcasts and wander round a bit trying to get a confusing story straight.

Hey DA. Wanna split a screen-play?

Postpocelipse said:

Hey DA. Wanna split a screen-play?

Can’t see less than 3 parts to it.

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Hey DA. Wanna split a screen-play?

Can’t see less than 3 parts to it.

I’ve wanted to structure a screen play around RATM and Prodigy music for a fair while now. I see a confrontation between Arkhenaten and the priests as the perfect opportunity to pump Firestarter.

First movie Babylonian exodus, 2nd movie features the noah link to a minoan evacuation and subsequent relationship between the babylonian jews and minoan survivors explored. Number 3 is Arkhenaten’s big finale

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Hey DA. Wanna split a screen-play?

Can’t see less than 3 parts to it.

I’ve wanted to structure a screen play around RATM and Prodigy music for a fair while now. I see a confrontation between Arkhenaten and the priests as the perfect opportunity to pump Firestarter.

First movie Babylonian exodus, 2nd movie features the noah link to a minoan evacuation and subsequent relationship between the babylonian jews and minoan survivors explored. Number 3 is Arkhenaten’s big finale

Chuck some Ministry and System of a Down in there as well

Cymek said:

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Can’t see less than 3 parts to it.

I’ve wanted to structure a screen play around RATM and Prodigy music for a fair while now. I see a confrontation between Arkhenaten and the priests as the perfect opportunity to pump Firestarter.

First movie Babylonian exodus, 2nd movie features the noah link to a minoan evacuation and subsequent relationship between the babylonian jews and minoan survivors explored. Number 3 is Arkhenaten’s big finale

Chuck some Ministry and System of a Down in there as well

Probably unavoidable for expressing the turbulence of such events.

This is definitely a project I can get my teeth into.

The story seems to have significance relative to a possible global warming crisis and the preparation the world might need to undergo.

An interesting parallel in the tale of Babylon is that the Amorites, originally semi-nomadic sheep-herders as were the Mongols goat-herders, established the original state of Babylon. This accords with both the gathering of outcasts to overcome a political deity suggested in the name Babylon and with the subsequent reference in the title, Bible, as mouth(nation) with many voices.

Just gets easier and easier for me to toy with theatrically…..

bugger me babylon has a tumultuous history.

Postpocelipse said:

bugger me babylon has a tumultuous history.

Check out Poland, it even ceases to exist for periods of time.

AwesomeO said:

Postpocelipse said:

bugger me babylon has a tumultuous history.

Check out Poland, it even ceases to exist for periods of time.

First project research will be identifying a likely site for the hanging gardens. Have a feeling the babylon saga will not fit into one movie and will be fundamental in establishing the factors that established the Jewish philosophy.

there is even a link to the mongol battles in that the Persians took the city by diverting the river that flowed through it so they could enter the city. Given the Mongols had less foresight in their flooding of Khwarezmia.

Missive to pharoah from the court of the Kassite

I say to you brother of The Star of The Nile, we have subdued The Sea Peoples and relegated unto them the price of folly being wisdom. Those who remain of them are sworn to serve and protect our families. To ensure this task is finished as it is begun we have taken as the private temple and cradle of our brethren the stronghold of The Sea Peoples in it’s isolation in the northern sea.

As our wards their debt to you for the waste they have left in your lands will be repaid as time and opportunity will provide. They will learn to tend a hearth and seek answer within their own number and device for the challenges all peoples face as night stalks the scent of the light of day. They will guard the knowledge and wisdom of our fathers and ensure the kindest grounds for the offspring of my brethren and yours to learn these laws and crafts that separate our peoples from the beasts. They will distinguish themselves from the beasts by serving us both in the building of the temples of our home soil. This I promise to you this day as brothers and father’s of our peoples. In this manner I have renewed remembrance of the debt shared among the sheaves of Abrehimi as is the yoke left to us by our common father.

Reference

Pre-kassite Mesopotamia had developed significant skill building canals. The ox and wheel may have been the pivotal technology of the Mesopotamian peoples at this time. The Sea Peoples, a seafaring raider tribe from Mediterranean europe were conquered by the Kassites of the first babylonian empire around 1800 BC. Although the Mesopotamian cultures had developed significant science their greater numbers as a population were spread from the plains of the mid-east across to the Siberian/Mongolian steppes as largely stock herding peoples.

The story of Cain and Abel approximates the relationship between the grain based agricultural societies that developed along the Nile and Euphrates rivers and that of the herders who feature significantly as regular sources of overwhelming force that contributed to various unifications of tribes and regimes. The civilization of Minoa is well placed in history to have been the result of alliances between ruling classes of the African and Mid-East continents.

My dreams trouble me my friend. In them the sun rises from the sea in the west and when it sets the ocean rises to the sky, looming as threat to crash down upon us before we wake. The oracle’s vision sees the beasts fleeing before the trembling of the earth regardless of the terror of man, who themselves are lost to the light of day.

Minoa may have had strong ties with the temple at delphi. This arguably creative relationship may have coloured the pens of those who sought to justify and requisition the verbal tradition of refugee tribes that are likely to have gathered following the eruption of Thera, and as I would suggest, might have eventually evolved as the tales of Noah and Moses. As Delphi is part of the fault system connected to Mediterranean seismic activity one could imagine the apprehension that will have built as lead up events developed in intensity.

Any chance I can get some feedback on the event connection progress and material compiled thus far?

Arkhenaten: “The Nile has abandoned my house and the kingdom has only suffered since the sea rose and changed the world. The priesthood has had no answer yet still seeks preference in my decisions. I say your positions are forfeit and mine is the will of the people. My name is upheld in the mouths of the nobility and yours is muttered under the breaths of the peasantry. No, High Priest, it is my will that we shall uproot this citadel and remove it to the new site Armen and it is the place of the priesthood to supply the required investment as your position in all matters of state are forfeit”.

The Prodigy – Firestarter

Postpocelipse said:

Arkhenaten: “The Nile has abandoned my house and the kingdom has only suffered since the sea rose and changed the world. The priesthood has had no answer yet still seeks preference in my decisions. I say your positions are forfeit and mine is the will of the people. My name is upheld in the mouths of the nobility and yours is muttered under the breaths of the peasantry. No, High Priest, it is my will that we shall uproot this citadel and remove it to the new site Armen and it is the place of the priesthood to supply the required investment as your position in all matters of state are forfeit”.

The Prodigy – Firestarter

I thought you’d be avoiding being linked to that song…

stumpy_seahorse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Arkhenaten: “The Nile has abandoned my house and the kingdom has only suffered since the sea rose and changed the world. The priesthood has had no answer yet still seeks preference in my decisions. I say your positions are forfeit and mine is the will of the people. My name is upheld in the mouths of the nobility and yours is muttered under the breaths of the peasantry. No, High Priest, it is my will that we shall uproot this citadel and remove it to the new site Armen and it is the place of the priesthood to supply the required investment as your position in all matters of state are forfeit”.

The Prodigy – Firestarter

I thought you’d be avoiding being linked to that song…

Yeah nah. I know the truth. The only fire worth starting is in people’s minds……….

Postpocelipse said:

My dreams trouble me my friend. In them the sun rises from the sea in the west and when it sets the ocean rises to the sky, looming as threat to crash down upon us before we wake. The oracle’s vision sees the beasts fleeing before the trembling of the earth regardless of the terror of man, who themselves are lost to the light of day.

Minoa may have had strong ties with the temple at delphi. This arguably creative relationship may have coloured the pens of those who sought to justify and requisition the verbal tradition of refugee tribes that are likely to have gathered following the eruption of Thera, and as I would suggest, might have eventually evolved as the tales of Noah and Moses. As Delphi is part of the fault system connected to Mediterranean seismic activity one could imagine the apprehension that will have built as lead up events developed in intensity.

BOOM!

The Prodigy – Breathe

Postpocelipse said:

Arkhenaten: “The Nile has abandoned my house and the kingdom has only suffered since the sea rose and changed the world. The priesthood has had no answer yet still seeks preference in my decisions. Your patrons bicker and lay blame and offer neither comfort nor solace. I ask you priest, have they abandoned man or declared war on him?

I say your positions are forfeit and mine is the will of the people. My name is upheld in the mouths of the nobility and yours is muttered under the breaths of the peasantry. No, High Priest, it is my will that we shall uproot this citadel and remove it to the new site Armen and it is the place of the priesthood to supply the required investment as your position in all matters of state are forfeit”.

The Prodigy – Firestarter

This is a likely scenario of the means that led to the event of the Armen migration. I might not here that such an exercise as moving an entire city in the manner achieved by Arkhenaten does resemble the building of an Ark- at least of knowledge and civilization. With the related removal of deities bearing bestial resemblance from the Egyptian philosophy there is further argument that this event, combined with events surrounding the destruction of Minoa is the origin of the Noah story.

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Arkhenaten: “The Nile has abandoned my house and the kingdom has only suffered since the sea rose and changed the world. The priesthood has had no answer yet still seeks preference in my decisions. Your patrons bicker and lay blame and offer neither comfort nor solace. I ask you priest, have they abandoned man or declared war on him?

I say your positions are forfeit and mine is the will of the people. My name is upheld in the mouths of the nobility and yours is muttered under the breaths of the peasantry. No, High Priest, it is my will that we shall uproot this citadel and remove it to the new site Armen and it is the place of the priesthood to supply the required investment as your position in all matters of state are forfeit”.

The Prodigy – Firestarter

This is a likely scenario of the means that led to the event of the Armen migration. I might note here that such an exercise as moving an entire city in the manner achieved by Arkhenaten does resemble the building of an Ark- at least of knowledge and civilization. With the related removal of deities bearing bestial resemblance from the Egyptian philosophy there is further argument that this event, combined with events surrounding the destruction of Minoa is the origin of the Noah story.

Postpocelipse said:

I would suggest that the Noah tale may have been compiled by Minoans.

tov ha Talmud

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Arkhenaten: “The Nile has abandoned my house and the kingdom has only suffered since the sea rose and changed the world. The priesthood has had no answer yet still seeks preference in my decisions. Your patrons bicker and lay blame and offer neither comfort nor solace. I ask you priest, have they abandoned man or declared war on him?

I say your positions are forfeit and mine is the will of the people. My name is upheld in the mouths of the nobility and yours is muttered under the breaths of the peasantry. No, High Priest, it is my will that we shall uproot this citadel and remove it to the new site Armen and it is the place of the priesthood to supply the required investment as your position in all matters of state are forfeit. You will fund the efforts of the “Babel Rabble”, as you so kindly have named them, in this enterprise of re-establishment”.

The Prodigy – Firestarter

This is a likely scenario of the means that led to the event of the Armen migration. I might not here that such an exercise as moving an entire city in the manner achieved by Arkhenaten does resemble the building of an Ark- at least of knowledge and civilization. With the related removal of deities bearing bestial resemblance from the Egyptian philosophy there is further argument that this event, combined with events surrounding the destruction of Minoa is the origin of the Noah story.

Nothing is new in the wheel of time………..

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Arkhenaten: “The Nile has abandoned my house and the kingdom has only suffered since the sea rose and changed the world. The priesthood has had no answer yet still seeks preference in my decisions. Your patrons bicker and lay blame and offer neither comfort nor solace. I ask you priest, have they abandoned man or declared war on him?

I say your positions are forfeit and mine is the will of the people. My name is upheld in the mouths of the nobility and yours is muttered under the breaths of the peasantry. No, High Priest, it is my will that we shall uproot this citadel and remove it to the new site Armen and it is the place of the priesthood to supply the required investment as your position in all matters of state are forfeit. You will fund the efforts of the “Babel Rabble”, as you so kindly have named them, in this enterprise of re-establishment”.

The Prodigy – Firestarter

This is a likely scenario of the means that led to the event of the Armen migration. I might note here that such an exercise as moving an entire city in the manner achieved by Arkhenaten does resemble the building of an Ark- at least of knowledge and civilization. With the related removal of deities bearing bestial resemblance from the Egyptian philosophy there is further argument that this event, combined with events surrounding the destruction of Minoa is the origin of the Noah and Moses stories.

As the Egyptian court is known to have encouraged incest to ensure bloodline purity one might consider the contributing factors to this practice. If the Minoan nobility were harboured by the court of the pharoah after the event it may have been a point of strong political sway that offspring in line for the thrown be of pure egyptian caste, for the priesthood. Arkhenaten exhibited signs of genetic weakness synonymous with incestually derived offspring. Following his reign it is known Nefertiti took the reigns, which with consideration, might express an ongoing displeasure with the priesthood even as religious specifics were reinstated.

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

This is a likely scenario of the means that led to the event of the Armen migration. I might note here that such an exercise as moving an entire city in the manner achieved by Arkhenaten does resemble the building of an Ark- at least of knowledge and civilization. With the related removal of deities bearing bestial resemblance from the Egyptian philosophy there is further argument that this event, combined with events surrounding the destruction of Minoa is the origin of the Noah and Moses stories.

As the Egyptian court is known to have encouraged incest to ensure bloodline purity one might consider the contributing factors to this practice. If the Minoan nobility were harboured by the court of the pharoah after the event it may have been a point of strong political sway that offspring in line for the thrown be of pure egyptian caste, for the priesthood. Arkhenaten exhibited signs of genetic weakness synonymous with incestually derived offspring. Following his reign it is known Nefertiti took the reigns, which with consideration, might express an ongoing displeasure with the priesthood even as religious specifics were reinstated.

It has been recently noted that negative effects of inter-familial marriage can mostly be avoided in the case of an economically stable monarchy such as that of Europe. With the effects of the destruction of Minoa it might be expected that the Egyptian monarchy will have become somewhat depleted for range of choice in this area.

Postpocelipse said:

Missive to pharoah from the court of the Kassite

I say to you brother of The Star of The Nile, we have subdued The Sea Peoples and relegated unto them the price of folly being wisdom. Those who remain of them are sworn to serve and protect our families. To ensure this task is finished as it is begun we have taken as the private temple and cradle of our brethren the stronghold of The Sea Peoples in it’s isolation in the northern sea.

As our wards their debt to you for the waste they have left in your lands will be repaid as time and opportunity will provide. They will learn to tend a hearth and seek answer within their own number and device for the challenges all peoples face as night stalks the scent of the light of day. They will guard the knowledge and wisdom of our fathers and ensure the kindest grounds for the offspring of my brethren and yours to learn these laws and crafts that separate our peoples from the beasts. They will distinguish themselves from the beasts by serving us both in the building of the temples of our home soil. This I promise to you this day as brothers and father’s of our peoples. In this manner I have renewed remembrance of the debt shared among the sheaves of Abrehimi as is the yoke left to us by our common father.

Reference

Pre-kassite Mesopotamia had developed significant skill building canals. The ox and wheel may have been the pivotal technology of the Mesopotamian peoples at this time. The Sea Peoples, a seafaring raider tribe from Mediterranean europe were conquered by the Kassites of the first babylonian empire around 1800 BC. Although the Mesopotamian cultures had developed significant science their greater numbers as a population were spread from the plains of the mid-east across to the Siberian/Mongolian steppes as largely stock herding peoples.

The story of Cain and Abel approximates the relationship between the grain based agricultural societies that developed along the Nile and Euphrates rivers and that of the herders who feature significantly as regular sources of overwhelming force that contributed to various unifications of tribes and regimes. The civilization of Minoa is well placed in history to have been the result of alliances between ruling classes of the African and Mid-East continents.

The Sea Peoples were as troublesome to African and mid-east nations as the Vikings were in Europe. For this reason my conjecture is that Minoa was subsequently reserved as a storehouse of wisdom and scientific investigation contributed to by the various cultures who may have felt they owed the new Babylonian Empire a debt of gratitude.

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Missive to pharoah from the court of the Kassite

I say to you brother of The Star of The Nile, we have subdued The Sea Peoples and relegated unto them the price of folly being wisdom. Those who remain of them are sworn to serve and protect our families. To ensure this task is finished as it is begun we have taken as the private temple and cradle of our brethren the stronghold of The Sea Peoples in it’s isolation in the northern sea.

As our wards their debt to you for the waste they have left in your lands will be repaid as time and opportunity will provide. They will learn to tend a hearth and seek answer within their own number and device for the challenges all peoples face as night stalks the scent of the light of day. They will guard the knowledge and wisdom of our fathers and ensure the kindest grounds for the offspring of my brethren and yours to learn these laws and crafts that separate our peoples from the beasts. They will distinguish themselves from the beasts by serving us both in the building of the temples of our home soil. This I promise to you this day as brothers and father’s of our peoples. In this manner I have renewed remembrance of the debt shared among the sheaves of Abrehimi as is the yoke left to us by our common father.

Reference

Pre-kassite Mesopotamia had developed significant skill building canals. The ox and wheel may have been the pivotal technology of the Mesopotamian peoples at this time. The Sea Peoples, a seafaring raider tribe from Mediterranean europe were conquered by the Kassites of the first babylonian empire around 1800 BC. Although the Mesopotamian cultures had developed significant science their greater numbers as a population were spread from the plains of the mid-east across to the Siberian/Mongolian steppes as largely stock herding peoples.

The story of Cain and Abel approximates the relationship between the grain based agricultural societies that developed along the Nile and Euphrates rivers and that of the herders who feature significantly as regular sources of overwhelming force that contributed to various unifications of tribes and regimes. The civilization of Minoa is well placed in history to have been the result of alliances between ruling classes of the African and Mid-East continents.

The Sea Peoples were as troublesome to African and mid-east nations as the Vikings were in Europe. For this reason my conjecture is that Minoa was subsequently reserved as a storehouse of wisdom and scientific investigation contributed to by the various cultures who may have felt they owed the new Babylonian Empire a debt of gratitude.

The current hypothesis regarding the defacement of artefacts found at Minoa supposes that exploring european tribes saw the former inhabitants as the cause of the disaster and defaced anything recognisable when visiting. Interestingly for me the referenced defacement echoes the manner in which Arkhenaten was remembered by subsequent generations. Coincidence? Not in this dramatic retelling…….

Lam Potec watched as the Pharaoh’s party made their way from the ruins back to the landing punt. This excursion was thought a waste by the priests but Arkhenaten had shown them as little respect as he normally did. Lam wondered how that which he had overheard during the tour of the island would be received by the artisans at home. The Pharaoh had proclaimed that the cause of the destruction here stemmed from the inhabitants practice of carving depictions of man as if they were gods. He had wasted little time in decreeing that only images of the one god would henceforth be produced. Beasts could be depicted but no other human form but his or his successors would be forgiveable as a work of worship. This would rile the priesthood who curried favour from artists by contracting there efforts.

Postpocelipse said:

Lam Potec watched as the Pharaoh’s party made their way from the ruins back to the landing punt. This excursion was thought a waste by the priests but Arkhenaten had shown them as little respect as he normally did. Lam wondered how that which he had overheard during the tour of the island would be received by the artisans at home. The Pharaoh had proclaimed that the cause of the destruction here stemmed from the inhabitants practice of carving depictions of man as if they were gods. He had wasted little time in decreeing that only images of the one god would henceforth be produced. Beasts could be depicted but no other human form but his or his successors would be forgiveable as a work of worship. This would rile the priesthood who curried favour from artists by contracting there efforts. Arkhenaten had made his point by personally destroying every idol bearing human features in his path around the island. He had left men to search the island for anything remaining with orders to destroy them beyond recognition.

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Lam Potec watched as the Pharaoh’s party made their way from the ruins back to the landing punt. This excursion was thought a waste by the priests but Arkhenaten had shown them as little respect as he normally did. Lam wondered how that which he had overheard during the tour of the island would be received by the artisans at home. The Pharaoh had proclaimed that the cause of the destruction here stemmed from the inhabitants practice of carving depictions of man as if they were gods. He had wasted little time in decreeing that only images of the one god would henceforth be produced. Beasts could be depicted but no other human form but his or his successors would be forgiveable as a work of worship. This would rile the priesthood who curried favour from artists by contracting there efforts. Arkhenaten had made his point by personally destroying every idol bearing human features in his path around the island. He had left men to search the island for anything remaining with orders to destroy them beyond recognition.

Yes I know I left out the bit about Bull worship but that belongs to a later event of dramatic proportions……..

Correlative Factors:

The symbol of Babylon was the Lion

The symbol of Egypt was the Pharoah

The symbol of Minoa was the Bull

Related questions:

Assuming as is most likely the tale of the Minotaur is connected to Minoa and events surrounding it’s destruction, what is the nature of the maze included in the story?

The Atlantis described by Plato can only be Minoa. His attribution of advanced civilization here suggests a complexity of purpose to the foundational motives of Minoa. As there is little evidence of this level of civilization originating in Europe at that time, does it make less sense to assume that Minoa may have been an effort coordinated between the rulers of Babylon and those of Egypt to advance academia beyond their own borders?

Postpocelipse said:

Correlative Factors:

The symbol of Babylon was the Lion

The symbol of Egypt was the Pharoah

The symbol of Minoa was the Bull

Related questions:

Assuming as is most likely the tale of the Minotaur is connected to Minoa and events surrounding it’s destruction, what is the nature of the maze included in the story?

The Atlantis described by Plato can only be Minoa. His attribution of advanced civilization here suggests a complexity of purpose to the foundational motives of Minoa. As there is little evidence of this level of civilization originating in Europe at that time, does it make less sense to assume that Minoa may have been an effort coordinated between the rulers of Babylon and those of Egypt to advance academia beyond their own borders?

I suspect strongly that this possibility illustrates the creative motives underlying the story of Cain and Abel. The babylonian agriculturalists did not achieve empire because their own herder class peoples were obstructive to this endeavour. It was not until the Kassites, who originated as these same herders, banded together did the Babylonian empire rise. The Kassites would then have been required to learn anti-migratory practices such as agriculture and building.

The Sea Peoples were a similar scourge on the Egyptians until they were conquered by the Kassites. Therefore I reason that Cain and Abel represent the two basic types of culture of the time and their struggles to find a functional status quo. As the Kassites were schooled by inhabitants of the Indian continent to achieve their prowess in war I expect they will have understood the crucial nature of education and very possibly will have envisioned Minoa as a means to address the nature of most inter-cultural dispute at the time.

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Correlative Factors:

The symbol of Babylon was the Lion

The symbol of Egypt was the Pharoah

The symbol of Minoa was the Bull

Related questions:

Assuming as is most likely the tale of the Minotaur is connected to Minoa and events surrounding it’s destruction, what is the nature of the maze included in the story?

The Atlantis described by Plato can only be Minoa. His attribution of advanced civilization here suggests a complexity of purpose to the foundational motives of Minoa. As there is little evidence of this level of civilization originating in Europe at that time, does it make less sense to assume that Minoa may have been an effort coordinated between the rulers of Babylon and those of Egypt to advance academia beyond their own borders?

I suspect strongly that this possibility illustrates the creative motives underlying the story of Cain and Abel. The babylonian agriculturalists did not achieve empire because their own herder class peoples were obstructive to this endeavour. It was not until the Kassites, who originated as these same herders, banded together did the Babylonian empire rise. The Kassites would then have been required to learn anti-migratory practices such as agriculture and building.

The Sea Peoples were a similar scourge on the Egyptians until they were conquered by the Kassites. Therefore I reason that Cain and Abel represent the two basic types of culture of the time and their struggles to find a functional status quo. As the Kassites were schooled by inhabitants of the Indian continent to achieve their prowess in war I expect they will have understood the crucial nature of education and very possibly will have envisioned Minoa as a means to address the nature of most inter-cultural dispute at the time.

I read Minoa’s emblem being the Bull as a clear indicator of diplomacy and invitation to transient peoples to seek inter-cultural accord.

My purpose here
Is mine to choose
To live by worth
Or shallow ruse
To live is right
Not servitude
To sit astride
A mountain moved
Takes diligence
And fortitude
All wrapped in faith
In ‘If I could’

SET MY PEOPLE FREE

The word cache may possibly have roots in cultural interactions with the Kassites. The goat-herding tribes they originated from are known to have been provided warcraft through the influence of Indic cultures of the time. The heirarchy will have been aware of the value of new ideas. Once they had amalgamated the Babylonian states they will have been required to learn the canal and building practices being developed at the time.

As the Ark of Noah was a cache of natures specimens, might the original Ark of the Covenant have been a cache of cultural knowledge? Possibly an agreement between the new Babylonian empire and that of the established Egyptians. The Babylonians gift access to the newly conquered Mountain isle of The Sea People to the Egyptians with the caveat they contribute financially to its interests. The playground of the thinker and the the first ground set aside to tinker.

In this way a living King may have entreated to the Pharaoh, “they are spread across all the plains of the world in isolation but not forgotten, they are the backbone of your commerce yet are barely apparent in your court. Establish this enterprise and we together will seek to free the globe from the phantoms of ignorance and spite. Dearest brother Pharaoh, set these peoples free.”

The subsequent destruction of such an enterprise through natural calamity will have been seen by witnesses as sign of discontentment with the agreement and the breaking of the first covenant. With the the eventual intercedence of Arkhenaten the covenant is, temporarily and seemingly at the time, renewed.

Postpocelipse said:

SET MY PEOPLE FREE

The word cache may possibly have roots in cultural interactions with the Kassites. The goat-herding tribes they originated from are known to have been provided warcraft through the influence of Indic cultures of the time. The heirarchy will have been aware of the value of new ideas. Once they had amalgamated the Babylonian states they will have been required to learn the canal and building practices being developed at the time.

As the Ark of Noah was a cache of natures specimens, might the original Ark of the Covenant have been a cache of cultural knowledge? Possibly an agreement between the new Babylonian empire and that of the established Egyptians. The Babylonians gift access to the newly conquered Mountain isle of The Sea People to the Egyptians with the caveat they contribute financially to its interests. The playground of the thinker and the the first ground set aside to tinker.

In this way a living King may have entreated to the Pharaoh, “they are spread across all the plains of the world in isolation but not forgotten, they are the backbone of your commerce yet are barely apparent in your court. I myself, a newly raised King and conqueror, am born to these scattered tribes. Establish this enterprise and we together will seek to free the globe from the phantoms of ignorance and spite. Dearest brother Pharaoh, set these peoples free.”

The subsequent destruction of such an enterprise through natural calamity will have been seen by witnesses as sign of discontentment with the agreement and the breaking of the first covenant. With the the eventual intercedence of Arkhenaten the covenant is, temporarily and seemingly at the time, renewed.

Yothu Yindi – Treaty

The Queen of Sheba……..

Long live Her Quiver……..

Might Smote Me Where I Stand………..

But God Forbid……….

I keep the Lid………..

On What Transpired This Night……

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But I’ll let him tell it!

Who? ME?!!

Yeees! You WERE there after all…… don’t you remember?

Yes I see. I will try to satisfy you Dark Lord!

…… can you just fade the lights a little please…..? תודה, תודה

It was one morning
With little warning
I woke with fright
From shadowed night
To notice something forming

Without hesitance
I donned my Temperance
And set forth
With solemn force
To wave off the mists of snoring

I am sorry to stop the singing but I just would like to mention I did all this humbly, I am a simply goat herder only. This has given me time to contemplate words beyond my stature. I do not mean to suggest I got out of the wrong side of the bed and fell into somebody else’s armor………. a thousand pardons if I have indirectly mislead any reigning nobility in the audience. I will continue……

;)

Just a question your Darkness…. humbly, can I tell them about our little conversation?

Might be a little difficult to explain a few things without particular…… tit.. bit?

Yes of course…….. ah, where was I?

You were telling them how you didn’t fall into the armour of your bed partner but set forth …… humbly… to sort your bad dreams out, I think you were implying.

Yes, כן, כן. I think I will need a moment of preparation to set the scene…………………

Yes well you just go do that, I’ll keep my….. captives…… all juiced up and rejoicing in their…… liberation.

Good evening my slaves. It is wonderful to welcome you to tonight’s cabaret. Since the political atmosphere is so…. transient at this time I picked a theme involving big piles of bull dung and claimants to glory. I named it “Why worship a bull when you can’t swim in it’s shit?” but the rest of the crew thought that a little obvious and vulgar so we went with “The Good Talmid” because although he is naughty the hero of the tale is arguably good…… in at least any capacity I have been able to measure.

Please feel free to take refreshments as you know how clumsy the local stage hands are and set-cuts still haven’t been comfortably managed, for which I apologise….. deeply.

You might never know of me

The wind speaks my poetry

As lovers caress in the night

My breath holds the tress

Of the.. worlds.. mightiest

For I am the Queen of The Knight!

Postpocelipse said:

You might never know of me

The wind speaks my poetry

As lovers caress in the night

My breath holds the tress

Of the.. worlds.. mightiest

For I am the Queen of The Knight!

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if she really was that slender, they would have thought she was ailing.

Her brother must have been the luckiest man alive

dv said:

Her brother must have been the luckiest man alive

Really? You say that in front of me? I am only a simple goat-herder but I know what it means to respect a mother’s child sir. You should be ashamed……

Postpocelipse said:

dv said:

Her brother must have been the luckiest man alive

Really? You say that in front of me? I am only a simple goat-herder but I know what it means to respect a mother’s child sir. You should be ashamed……

I think maybe you don’t want to hear the beginning you only want to hear the end like a little child…….

If he doesn’t want to hear more from her maybe we should just skip some parts huh Shabu?

Postpocelipse said:

…….. but how do we explain a single thing if we leave her out?

Yes very good point. The slaved marked “dv” will report shut the hell up or report to Fight Club….

As it happens dv her brother was the luckiest man alive so you’ve gone and spoilt almost ALL of the suspense! Congratulations!

Ok how do we fix this? I am a professional and the show must go on…. how about I flash you my favourite impression of Prince doing me by Tommy Girard and let that horror extinguish a few relevant brain cells?

I won’t bring up your implications about my sister if you don’t bring up your food when I torture you how’s that for a deal dv?

Frank-N-Furter said:

I won’t bring up your implications about my sister if you don’t bring up your food when I torture you how’s that for a deal dv?

I think that would be better than letting her penalty stand but don’t let her know I said that. She makes me sleep with her for days to resolve these … differences of opinion……

היא אף פעם לא יכול לשכוח קצבאות אלה

Ooo-ooo-ooone DAY!

My father’s court received a guest

A thousand sheaves upon his chest

Yet humble as the morning…….

Postpocelipse said:

Ooo-ooo-ooone DAY!

Good enough to eat.

The Tiger knelt with all discord
And begged my father no reward
For securing the nations border

He had instead
A gossamer thread
Of reason beyond wonder

He asked my father
Could my mother sing to his people

Of futures untold
And riches tenfold

That might come should we build a great steeple.

Suluu… you can come back now. You do have a story to tell.

Oh ok thank you my dear. You have refocussed the audience’s attention. I meant to give them some idea of the conversation I had with your father but you have transformed all the boring bits into something of equal wonder to your beauty. I did enjoy our meal, with all the yoghurt and cucumbers and sweet meats and wine. And the cakes… sheesh!

Baby….. the story not the food?

Yes of course, how can I forget? So, yes, we were saying that I came to discuss some thinking I had done while ignoring the goats mating. Being a goat herder I had travelled extensively and seen the condition of much of the world. They say a goat herder is poor but poor in what I ask? We always have the best directions because we know who to go around and who to go through. This can be a trouble for someone who has lived in one place permanently.

In my travels I had noticed that the world had filled with good peoples. Nations might rise and fall and fight with the neighbours but this was not a thing filled with great animosity but inevitable with the fallibility of farming knowledge of the time. A goat herder jealously guards their independence because this works very well for us and we get by through most troubles without having too become involved.

This, at the time, had become less reliable for us. The farmers had developed some new thinking and also something called intellectual property. There was much competition to grow more and better and also much resentment when one person’s successful idea was borrowed by another and made more successful. There is the funny story of the tribe that took the other tribes rain idols. Rain idols! Sheesh! They never work but sitting around waiting for rain makes people itch in very bad places.

This bickering among the farmers had made the trade for herders quite hard to predict. We would return to places we had long ties with and find they had fallen on hard times and could not trade without credit. Credit is not something goat herders are happy with because we know how quickly things change when we go away.

One time when I was still learning the seasonal routes from my father he says to me “Sulu, I think I would like to visit an old friend I have not seen in many years. We will turn east and south and cross the mountains into the Indus valleys.”

This was very exciting for a young man. The Indus was a fairly private affair but tales of this places wonders were always around the fires. The mountains had given it isolation so some of it’s practices had matured to become more reliable than those of my home plains. If a young man could not find a wife in our tribes they often disappeared into the Indus and never returned.

So we crossed the mountains and visited my father’s friend that year. I tell you I learned more this year than I had learned in the previous 15 years. Possibly because of the difficulty of leaving the Indus, the locals seemed able to discuss a problem for longer and did not so readily fall to blaming the neighbours for the ways of nature. Interestingly, their warriors were not set aside simply for fighting. They always were called on to bolster the efforts of the people where ever it was required. This put the seeds of the ideas in my head, though they did not mature for several seasons.

When my father and I returned to our normal routes we discovered things had progressed while we were gone. The herders would often return to their home grounds and find no one they knew and be forced to trade only with strangers who haggled every trade down to almost nothing. We herders had become seen as destitute beggars who must have stolen their animals from elsewhere.

This did not seem very hospitable to myself so I spoke to some of the other wanderers and we agreed we should form a trade delegation. We dressed those chosen in fine garments and sent them to speak with the city leaders everywhere. We found these people had grown so fat on the cream of their peoples their ears had sealed up to anything but dinner bells. We were turned away with scorn.

So when this happened I think to myself, these leaders are eating everything left over that is good and leaving their people with not so much. Maybe they are the reasons these cities fight so often. So I formed a small plan. We would send the delegations for 2 more years, once a season. This would allow them the opportunity to maybe hear what we have to say over the sound of all the slobbering and munching. If they would not listen it would allow us to surprise them with our preparations after they had become accustomed to us visiting them peacefully.

Inevitably they did not listen and were wide-eyed with wonder when on the 3rd year our delegations responded to being turned away again with producing weapons, executing the very rude leaders and then demanding that the peoples of each city bring forth the next in line for command to negotiate. Mostly they did not and we had to assume control of these places. A small handful showed strong backs by putting forward someone who they admired but who had been passed up till then. These people turned out to be strong friends to us in the years that followed.

Now you might think 2 years is a very short time to develop a strong military to back up such audacious actions from simple herders. What has not been said yet is the results of the conversations my father had when we visit the Indus. I have said that many of our single men would cross the mountains and not return. It had turned out that these men would be allowed to marry so long as they became a part of the local armies. This worked very well for us. My father had suggested that if we needed them they might be allowed to return. To ensure we would not turn on those of the Indus we negotiated a trade in which our single men would be given wives from the Indus. As I say, this worked very well for us and our armies grew very quickly.

So, yes, this plan worked very well for us but managing so much so quickly has it’s own challenges that I made attempt to consider. My people had always had good relations with the Egyptians because they would simply pay in gold and jewels for our livestock. We both had some problems with raiders for the north so I decided it would be good manners to deal with this before going to speak with the pharoah. The city-dwellers had found these raiders to be mysterious in origin but our people travel to all corners of the globe and little escapes notice this way. We took the island these people used as stronghold and with this as the pendant of our gift I went to visit the Pharoah. He liked my thoughts of making a place for the learned to be protected and wisdom to be preserved and spread to all peoples.

It is unfortunate I did not understand the ways of the earth that travelled beneath my feet or the meaning of the hernia-like bulging of the earth beneath these raiders island fortress. This was most unfortunate and brought the efforts of all the wise to rest in the dirt with their knees as they lamented the lost.

That was never your fault my dear, don’t lose further tears over it. Would a difference have been made if I had not distracted you so? I think we only would have lost you also since you were so enthralled with the progress they made while they remained and spent so much time there. Would you rather my heart should have been torn asunder with the rest of the world?

Always you say the thing that brings strength back to my bones and joy into my heart.

You are and have always been the tiger that holds my heart Sulu. Our children are strong and you have secured their future against all odds and with incomparable humanity. Do not ever change.

A goat herder only changes before entering a town for trade. Everyone knows this is why we smell like the goats…….

Act 1

Fin

The pre-described possibilities represent an alternative rendition of Moses first trip to the mountain to secure the commandments. An accord will have been struck describing reasonable community behaviour required for access to this first university. It’s subsequent destruction the act of Moses destroying the first tablet because those in his ward had transgressed the first global peace accord, or as it is still known, The Breaking of The First Covenant.

300 years later the new covenant coalesces with the intervention of Arkhenaten with results once again governed by the tides of nature.

Postpocelipse said:

The pre-described possibilities represent an alternative rendition of Moses first trip to the mountain to secure the commandments. An accord will have been struck describing reasonable community behaviour required for access to this first university. It’s subsequent destruction the act of Moses destroying the first tablet because those in his ward had transgressed the first global peace accord, or as it is still known, The Breaking of The First Covenant.

300 years later the new covenant coalesces with the intervention of Arkhenaten with results once again governed by the tides of nature.

And yes, I have clearly suggested Minoa as the origin of The Tower of Babel story also. A tower that reaches for the moon is a structure that seeks answers to our dreams, metaphorically.

Thread note: Dot to dot and slide puzzle are complimentary puzzles.

I see the Torah’s obfuscation of places and events as evidence of the attempt to disguise the location of MU, while still referring to those events for philosophical guidance.

Postpocelipse said:

I see the Torah’s obfuscation of places and events as evidence of the attempt to disguise the location of MU, while still referring to those events for philosophical guidance.

Course, once it blew up that became another matter of confused record…….

Babylon Timeline
Search Results
2350 BCE
First code of laws by Urukagina, king of Lagash.
c. 2000 BCE
Babylon controls Fertile Crescent.
1984 BCE
Amorite dynasty established in Babylon.
1812 BCE – 1793 BCE
Reign of Sin-Muballit, Amorite king of Babylon, father of Hammurabi.
1795 BCE – 1750 BCE
Reign of Hammurabi, king of Babylon.
1792 BCE – 1750 BCE
Reign of Hammurabi of Babylon, Ashur becomes vassal state.
c. 1792 BCE
King Hammurabi builds walls of Babylon.
1787 BCE
Hammurabi of Babylon conquers Uruk and Isin.
c. 1772 BCE
The Code of Hammurabi: One of the earliest codes of law in the world.
c. 1761 BCE
Zimri-Lim, the last ruler of Mari dies for unknown reasons. His former ally, Hammurabi of Babylon, captures the city of Mari.
c. 1760 BCE – c. 1757 BCE
Hammurabi of Babylon destroys the city of Mari. The people of Mari are spared according to Hammurabi.
1755 BCE
Hammurabi rules the whole of Mesopotamia from Babylon.
c. 1700 BCE
The Code of Hammurabi, with laws regulating beer, written at Babylon.
1595 BCE – 1155 BCE
Kassite Dynasty rules over Babylonia.
1595 BCE
Hittites under Mursilli I sack Babylon, ending Amorite rule.
1595 BCE
King Mursilis of the Hittites sacks Babylon. Begin of Babylonian “dark ages.”
c. 1225 BCE
Tukulti-Ninurta I sacks Babylon.
c. 1225 BCE
Tukulti-Ninurta I marches on Babylon and sacks it, temples plundered.
1220 BCE
Babylon is under Assyrian control.
853 BCE
Babylonian kings depend on Assyrian military support.
c. 750 BCE
Sophisticated networks of aqueducts are constructed at Babylon.
734 BCE
Babylon is captured by Chaldeans.
729 BCE
Tiglath Pileser III reigns at height as King of Babylon and Assyria.
729 BCE
Babylon is occupied by Assyrians.
729 BCE
Intervention in Babylonian Civil War. Tiglath Pileser III crowns himself king of Babylon.
c. 718 BCE
Sargon II defeated at Babylon by Elamites.
710 BCE
Sargon II conquers Babylon and the southern territories.
710 BCE – 707 BCE
Sargon II resides at Babylon, rules Assyria from Babylonian court.
706 BCE
Sargon II returns from Babylon and moves into palace in Dur-Sharrukin.
c. 698 BCE – c. 694 BCE
War with Elam and Babylon.
689 BCE
Sack of Babylon, city is destroyed.
c. 680 BCE
Esarhaddon decrees restoration of Babylon.
653 BCE – c. 648 BCE
Babylon rebels, Siege of Babylon.
c. 647 BCE – c. 648 BCE
Fall of Babylon the Ashurbanipal.
612 BCE
Nineveh is sacked and burned by combined forces of Babylonians and Medes.
605 BCE – 549 BCE
Babylon rules over the Assyrian regions.
605 BCE – 562 BCE
Nebuchadnezzar II is king of Babylon.
601 BCE
Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon unsuccessfully attempts to invade Egypt.
597 BCE
Babylonian king Nebuchadnezar captures Jerusalem.
597 BCE – 587 BCE
Jews are deported to Babylonia.
587 BCE – 539 BCE
Jewish exile in Babylonia. Babylonian Talmud is written.
585 BCE – 572 BCE
Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon besieges Tyre, unsuccessfully.
c. 575 BCE
Nebuchadnezzar II builds the Ishtar Gate and great walls of Babylon.
c. 539 BCE
Cyrus the Great conquers Babylon; the Fertile Crescent is controlled by the Achaemenid Empire (The First Persian Empire).
539 BCE
Fall of Babylon, conquered by Cyrus of Persia. Return of the Jews.
485 BCE
Babylon is destroyed by Xerxes, King of Persia.
323 BCE
Alexander the Great receives Celtic delegations in Babylon.
321 BCE – 315 BCE
Seleucos rules the satrapy of Babylon.
312 BCE
Seleucos conquers Babylon and founds the Seleucid dynasty.
c. 304 BCE – 64 BCE
Rule of the Seleucids in Mesopotamia.

A time line of ancient Egyptian history

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3500 B.C. Early settlers in the Nile valley 3400 B.C. 3300 B.C. 3200 B.C. 3100 B.C. Hieroglyphic script developed 3100- Narmer unified Upper and Lower Egypt Hieroglyphic script 3000 B.C. 2900 B.C. 2800 B.C. 2700 B.C. First stone pyramid built Step pyramid 2600 B.C. Pyramids of Giza built Pyramids of Giza 2500 B.C. 2400 B.C. 2300 B.C. 2200 B.C. Various kings ruled Egypt 2100 B.C. 2055- Mentuhotep II gained control of entire country 2000 B.C. Agricultural development of the Faiyum

Earliest parts of Temple of Karnak built

Egyptians control Nubia

1900 B.C. 1800 B.C. 1700 B.C. Hyksos rulers took control of Delta region 1600 B.C. Ahmose unified country 1500 B.C. Hatshepsut became pharaoh 1400 B.C. Akhenaten changed Egyptian religion Tutankhamun became pharaoh Traditional religion returned 1300 B.C. Hypostyle hall built at Temple of Karnak 1274 – Ramesses II fought in Battle of Kadesh Ramesses II in battle 1200 B.C. 1100 B.C. Upper and Lower Egypt split 1000 B.C. 900 B.C. 800 B.C. 728- Nubian king Piy conquered Egypt 700 B.C. 671- Assyrians attacked Egypt 600 B.C. 525- Persians conquered Egypt 500 B.C. 400 B.C. 332- Alexander the Great conquered Egypt 305- Ptolemy I became pharaoh Ptolemy1 300 B.C. 200 B.C. 196- Rosetta Stone carved 100 B.C. 31- Battle of Actium 30- Cleopatra VII died 0 A.D. 100 A.D. 200 A.D. 300 A.D. Last use of hieroglyphic writing 400 A.D. 500 A.D. 600 A.D. 642- Egypt conquered by Arabs 700 A.D. 800 A.D. 820- Caliph al Mamun entered the Great Pyramid 900 A.D. 969- City of Cairo founded Casing blocks stripped off Giza pyramids 1000 A.D. Casing block 1100 A.D. 1200 A.D. 1300 A.D. 1400 A.D. 1500 A.D. 1517- Ottoman Turks ruled Egypt 1600 A.D. 1700 A.D. 1798- Napoleon Bonaparte invaded Egypt 1799- Rosetta Stone found Rosetta Stone 1800 A.D. Travellers and explorers began uncovering the monuments of ancient Egypt 1822- Hieroglyphs deciphered 1859- 1869 Suez Canal built Egyptologists began formal excavations in Egypt 1900 A.D. 1922- Howard Carter discovered the tomb of Tutankhamun 1953- Egypt became independent 1960- Aswan High Dam built

After beginning their history at 2350 with a code of laws, at around 1800 BC the Babylonians compiled the Code of Hammurabi. At about the same time the Egyptians began the building of Karnak. The coincidence of the understanding that the Egyptians paid for building in beer and the Hammurabi law including beer might indicate a strong relationship built on skills trade at the time.

At around 1600 BC, the approximate time of the Minoan eruption, the Babylonian and Egyptian states are each at a peak of internal unity which is followed by 200 years of decline featuring at the 100 year mark King Mursilis’s beginning of the Babylonian dark ages and culminating in the saga of Arkhenaten.

I expect a pair of cultures built on beer to have to recount where the hell all the bloody surf came from that wiped out there little barbie might have included some peculiarity. Especially if the folks at the barbie were on that local wizz shrub ol Alex’s conquests talk about.

“yeah man so I was like, jammin, this brick into place to stock me fridge and this nubi walks buy and I say’s to Wotup……….. did anyone bring a Malibu or two? There’s like a REALLY steep face comin in and like…. it’s NOT STOPPIN!!!!”

The Indian Ocean tidal wave of 2004 took a total of 1.74 million lives. The Minoan eruption’s magnitude equates to 4 times the volume of ejecta of that of Krakatoa and produced 3 main waves in a sea that is land locked as opposed to that of the 2004 wave. Death toll can only be estimated by population density.

Postpocelipse said:

The Indian Ocean tidal wave of 2004 took a total of 1.74 million lives. The Minoan eruption’s magnitude equates to 4 times the volume of ejecta of that of Krakatoa and produced 3 main waves in a sea that is land locked as opposed to that of the 2004 wave. Death toll can only be estimated by population density.

and what of the toba eruption?

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

The Indian Ocean tidal wave of 2004 took a total of 1.74 million lives. The Minoan eruption’s magnitude equates to 4 times the volume of ejecta of that of Krakatoa and produced 3 main waves in a sea that is land locked as opposed to that of the 2004 wave. Death toll can only be estimated by population density.

and what of the toba eruption?

would solve the Trump concern.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

The Indian Ocean tidal wave of 2004 took a total of 1.74 million lives. The Minoan eruption’s magnitude equates to 4 times the volume of ejecta of that of Krakatoa and produced 3 main waves in a sea that is land locked as opposed to that of the 2004 wave. Death toll can only be estimated by population density.

and what of the toba eruption?

would solve the Trump concern.

Sorry I was thinking about the late bubbly state of the thermals at the yellowstone hotspot and wondering if it had occurred to them it might be in there best interests to drain as much of that energy off as possible. Might be an alternative investment to trumpy’s wall.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

The Indian Ocean tidal wave of 2004 took a total of 1.74 million lives. The Minoan eruption’s magnitude equates to 4 times the volume of ejecta of that of Krakatoa and produced 3 main waves in a sea that is land locked as opposed to that of the 2004 wave. Death toll can only be estimated by population density.

and what of the toba eruption?

but in answer to your question, I have little familiarity with any cultures present during that eruption

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

The Indian Ocean tidal wave of 2004 took a total of 1.74 million lives. The Minoan eruption’s magnitude equates to 4 times the volume of ejecta of that of Krakatoa and produced 3 main waves in a sea that is land locked as opposed to that of the 2004 wave. Death toll can only be estimated by population density.

and what of the toba eruption?

but in answer to your question, I have little familiarity with any cultures present during that eruption

Occurred some time between 69,000 and 77,000 years ago at the site of present-day Lake Toba …

Probably about the time aborigines were apparently finding their way into Australia?

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

and what of the toba eruption?

but in answer to your question, I have little familiarity with any cultures present during that eruption

Occurred some time between 69,000 and 77,000 years ago at the site of present-day Lake Toba …

Probably about the time aborigines were apparently finding their way into Australia?

This might interest you. http://toba.arch.ox.ac.uk/

I think the ‘ark of the covenant’ actually is a very believably Judaic record of a perceived debt accrued by the ‘Covenant with Arkhenaten’. Which the priests might have held back some by dumping his stuff in his son’s tomb. I don’t know if you have heard much about the Jews and debts.

Took them a while to deal with themselves before they attempted to invade Egypt and regain what was promised to them but they did in 601BC.

Arkhenaten promised them a city with riches and they got gipped and then forgot about it and settled on Jerusalem as what it was all about.

I think it would be amusing to prove to the Israeli at this point that their blessed Ark is just another of their records of debt. Sort of put the right perspective on the shit they are in over there.

and the origin of a genetic predilection to being paid beer for building temples. ha-ha

The Ogallala Aquifer is a shallow water table aquifer located beneath the Great Plains in the United States. One of the world’s largest aquifers, it underlies an area of approximately 174,000 sq mi (450,000 km2) in portions of eight states (South Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming, Colorado, Kansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Texas). It was named in 1898 by geologist N. H. Darton from its type locality near the town of Ogallala, Nebraska. The aquifer is part of the High Plains Aquifer System, and rests on the Ogallala Formation, which is the principal geologic unit underlying 80% of the High Plains.

dv said:

The Ogallala Aquifer is a shallow water table aquifer located beneath the Great Plains in the United States. One of the world’s largest aquifers, it underlies an area of approximately 174,000 sq mi (450,000 km2) in portions of eight states (South Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming, Colorado, Kansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Texas). It was named in 1898 by geologist N. H. Darton from its type locality near the town of Ogallala, Nebraska. The aquifer is part of the High Plains Aquifer System, and rests on the Ogallala Formation, which is the principal geologic unit underlying 80% of the High Plains.

If I had rivers that are boiling because they are fed by a potentially dangerous hotspot I think I’d look at potential means to minimise the danger while absorbing it’s energy for use.

You don’t think if you could prove academically that the origin of the ark of the covenant was a construction contract’s debt record it wouldn’t make the related religious sectors pause and think? The Jewish and then the Muslim? Get all “umm yeah that’s a bit embarrassing”?

I guarantee the beer that was paid to move whatever Arkhenaten did get moved or built was only considered accrued interest on the agreed final contract at completion of project.

At the 2006 census, Noorat had a population of 252. By 2011, according to the census, the population had dropped to 167, although this drop in numbers is a bit deceptive as the town boundary was changed in between the 2006 and 2011 census.

sibeen said:

At the 2006 census, Noorat had a population of 252. By 2011, according to the census, the population had dropped to 167, although this drop in numbers is a bit deceptive as the town boundary was changed in between the 2006 and 2011 census.

yeah that’s a few years after this subject?

I’ll just clarify for posterity.

The Sea People conquering Kassites strike a deal with the Pharoah of the time to fund a university to compile a concise record of global knowledge for the purpose of minimising inter-cultural strife and loss of progress through constant turn-over of ruling regimes.

Minoa erupts and creates turmoil around the Mediterranean which the Pharoahs blame on the Babylonians because they themselves could not be fallible as they are the chosen of the gods. The Egyptians see this as a debt for which they effectively enslave the babylonian builders with whom they had previously had a strong stable economic relationship.

Arkhenaten takes advantage of this eventuality to stage a coup against the priestly elite and contract the building of his new city.

This venture fails and the Hebrew transform the turning of the tables on an inter-cultural debt into a millenia spanning sense of entitlement to something that was doomed to failure.

Does this not represent the Torah as a political propoganda justification for any attempts at domination they entertain?

i thought it was Thera that erupted? santorini. and destroyed the minoan civilisation on crete. been to both places. santorini is a beautiful spot.

ChrispenEvan said:

i thought it was Thera that erupted? santorini. and destroyed the minoan civilisation on crete. been to both places. santorini is a beautiful spot.

Yes it was Thera. It is referred to as The Minoan Eruption by wiki.

Organised religion makes a mockery of humanity
Our governments are dangerous and out of control
The Garden of Eden, it’s just another figment
If they had someone to buy it
Said I’m sure they’d sell my soul

This fire’s burning and it’s out of control
It’s not a problem you can stop
It’s Rock and Roll

Gun’s & Roses

Maybe I could start a class-suit against Judaism for misleading and fraudulent marketing leading to competitively fraudulent practices that prevent world peace.

Postpocelipse said:

Maybe I could start a class-suit against Judaism for misleading and fraudulent marketing leading to competitively fraudulent practices that prevent world peace.

Deliver them a ‘cease and desist’ order……..

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Maybe I could start a class-suit against Judaism for misleading and fraudulent marketing leading to competitively fraudulent practices that prevent world peace.

Deliver them a ‘cease and desist’ order……..

Bill Maher would probably love it.

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Maybe I could start a class-suit against Judaism for misleading and fraudulent marketing leading to competitively fraudulent practices that prevent world peace.

Deliver them a ‘cease and desist’ order……..

Bill Maher would probably love it.

Pretty well debunks the Zionist conspiracy theories also. The Hebrew may have begun with intentions to “tame the world through education” but this became obfuscated and misdirected by human psychology taking over when things went south. You can’t claim a sub-conscious reflex as a conspiracy……

Rabbit starvation, also referred to as protein poisoning or mal de caribou or fat starvation, is a rare form of acute malnutrition thought to be caused by a complete absence of fat.
Excess protein is sometimes cited as the cause of this issue; when meat and fat are consumed in the correct ratio, such as that found in pemmican, the diet is considered nutritionally complete, and can support humans for months or more. Other stressors, such as severe cold or dry environment, may intensify symptoms or decrease time to onset. Symptoms include diarrhea, headache, fatigue, low blood pressure and slow heart rate, and a vague discomfort and hunger (very similar to a food craving) that can be satisfied only by the consumption of fat.
Rabbit meat is very lean. Commercial rabbit meat has 50–100 g dissectable fat per 2 kg (live weight). Based on a carcass yield of 60%, rabbit meat is around 8.3% fat. For comparison, in terms of carcass composition, beef is 32% fat, pork is 32%, and lamb is 28%. Pemmican is 50% fat by weight.

sibeen said:

Rabbit starvation, also referred to as protein poisoning or mal de caribou or fat starvation, is a rare form of acute malnutrition thought to be caused by a complete absence of fat.
Excess protein is sometimes cited as the cause of this issue; when meat and fat are consumed in the correct ratio, such as that found in pemmican, the diet is considered nutritionally complete, and can support humans for months or more. Other stressors, such as severe cold or dry environment, may intensify symptoms or decrease time to onset. Symptoms include diarrhea, headache, fatigue, low blood pressure and slow heart rate, and a vague discomfort and hunger (very similar to a food craving) that can be satisfied only by the consumption of fat.
Rabbit meat is very lean. Commercial rabbit meat has 50–100 g dissectable fat per 2 kg (live weight). Based on a carcass yield of 60%, rabbit meat is around 8.3% fat. For comparison, in terms of carcass composition, beef is 32% fat, pork is 32%, and lamb is 28%. Pemmican is 50% fat by weight.

Sounds like something I am prone to.

Postpocelipse said:

sibeen said:

Rabbit starvation, also referred to as protein poisoning or mal de caribou or fat starvation, is a rare form of acute malnutrition thought to be caused by a complete absence of fat.
Excess protein is sometimes cited as the cause of this issue; when meat and fat are consumed in the correct ratio, such as that found in pemmican, the diet is considered nutritionally complete, and can support humans for months or more. Other stressors, such as severe cold or dry environment, may intensify symptoms or decrease time to onset. Symptoms include diarrhea, headache, fatigue, low blood pressure and slow heart rate, and a vague discomfort and hunger (very similar to a food craving) that can be satisfied only by the consumption of fat.
Rabbit meat is very lean. Commercial rabbit meat has 50–100 g dissectable fat per 2 kg (live weight). Based on a carcass yield of 60%, rabbit meat is around 8.3% fat. For comparison, in terms of carcass composition, beef is 32% fat, pork is 32%, and lamb is 28%. Pemmican is 50% fat by weight.

Sounds like something I am prone to.

What prompted the post?

Postpocelipse said:

*I have to query… would it take a stable or a super………. fluid state needed to bring me…. into the question?

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

I have to query… would it a stable or a super………. fluid state be needed to bring me…. into the question?

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I hate re-writes!!

….. I got my slaves back. You do know as the brother of daughter of the Pharaoh that makes me his heir don’t you? What? You don’t believe Frank N Furter had a history previous to my most recent glorification on Earth? Come now. Who have you been mingling with?

Anyhoo, I’m announcing what I came back for yes! I have litigatory proceedings to ANNOUNCE … to the media! It basically goes, now that you are back on your feet again Israel, you owe one of my offspring a large presumptuous city at the site of Armen.

Go on, get about it! You were supposed to divert the NIle and stymie the priests into something… idk but they would have had to deal with it. Then the vision will have been fulfilled by his Arkhenatenship and we wouldn’t have all this silly Messiah nonsense to confuse things. It really is all your fault you know. We had it all planned out.

If you don’t produce it we’ll sue you for damages to divine visions, and generally deserting a god in his directions. Talk about breaking a covenant, you bloody scattered and ran as soon as we needed you. I still won’t call you rabble like the priests but it is bordering on collusion in pre-cultural development sabotage!

Possible Songlist for derived RHPS2 production:

We all know the Penalties!

That wasn’t the first man I made!

When in Rome-No Fuck Rome do what The Pharoah Told You!

Where does the Ark get to? Time Warp II

You don’t know what you did to ME!

You wanted thirst quenched where there was desert but you couldn’t divert the Nile! That would have been a really good idea!(Blame the length of that title on the complexities of the clauses the Hebrew peoples ancestors wrote into our contract!)

Look Under Armen When Wearing Your Garments!

Postpocelipse said:

Possible Songlist for derived RHPS2 production:

We all know the Penalties!

That wasn’t the first man I made!

When in Rome-No Fuck Rome do what The Pharoah Told You!

Where does the Ark get to? Time Warp II

You don’t know what you did to ME!

You wanted thirst quenched where there was desert but you couldn’t divert THE ALREADY DIVERTED Nile! That would have been a really good idea!(Blame the length of that title on the complexities of the clauses the Hebrew peoples ancestors wrote into our contract!)

Look Under Armen When Wearing Your Garments!

I hate re-writes!!

*Minoan Bull*(or how I wrote some songs to remember you by)

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You might think all you clauses were forgotten but you forgot who you were talking to when you signed up to our little building contract “Hebrew Peoples and associated wander-abouts and people smugglers”.

Ooops…… we didn’t in fact we made various copies one of which we left under Armen and several we passed among our lawyers. You’ll find they are respected by my…. bar!

Oh did I let something slip?

Yes it might be kept in a gold box.

Postpocelipse said:

Yes it might be kept in a gold box.

That came in a matching set. You do remember how we Pharii adored our jewellery. You don’t think we made just one of those either do you?

Frank N Furter said:

Good Moaning & Deity Invoking Ladettes and Gentillery. As much as I do LooOVE to watch your cavorting and genetically reflexive perambulating, unfinished business is just more dollars on top of my already substantial damages claims. See you all at a Very Grave Opening!

dv said:

God explicitly rejected Cain’s offering of grain while accepting Abel’s offering of meat.

Due to his veganism, Cain suffered B12-deficiency-related mental impairment and was unable to deal with his emotions, so he killed Abel in a rage.

It was the other way round. Abel received better result for his grain offering than Cain received with sacrifice of a goat. I think the rabbitosis sibeen referred to is what you are talking about. Herders have probably always been prone to it.

Postpocelipse said:

dv said:

God explicitly rejected Cain’s offering of grain while accepting Abel’s offering of meat.

Due to his veganism, Cain suffered B12-deficiency-related mental impairment and was unable to deal with his emotions, so he killed Abel in a rage.

It was the other way round. Abel received better result for his grain offering than Cain received with sacrifice of a goat. I think the rabbitosis sibeen referred to is what you are talking about. Herders have probably always been prone to it.

What history shows is that agriculturalists weren’t the greatest at stabilising their cultural practices and there are repeated instances of herders taking matters into their own hands resulting in semi-permanent empires like the Kassite and Mongol Empires. The effects of rabbitosis might be more complex than you describe.

Postpocelipse said:

dv said:

God explicitly rejected Cain’s offering of grain while accepting Abel’s offering of meat.

Due to his veganism, Cain suffered B12-deficiency-related mental impairment and was unable to deal with his emotions, so he killed Abel in a rage.

It was the other way round. Abel received better result for his grain offering than Cain received with sacrifice of a goat.

Wrong.

Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. 3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord. 4 And Abel also brought an offering—fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast.

dv said:

Postpocelipse said:

dv said:

God explicitly rejected Cain’s offering of grain while accepting Abel’s offering of meat.

Due to his veganism, Cain suffered B12-deficiency-related mental impairment and was unable to deal with his emotions, so he killed Abel in a rage.

It was the other way round. Abel received better result for his grain offering than Cain received with sacrifice of a goat.

Wrong.

Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. 3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord. 4 And Abel also brought an offering—fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast.

You are absolutely right. But I stand by the rabbitosis connection. Hunter gatherers were leaner and meaner in general than agriculturalists and I am not certain b deficiency in a vego would have outmatched them in a genuine physical confrontation. My take on the reference is that explanation was needed for why agriculturalist and herder tribes went their separate ways and there seems to be a fair bit of “we come from the big smoke and they are scruffy stinky goat herding uneducated thiefs” going on in the story.

Question would be, who wrote the Cain/Abel verses? Herders or Agriculturalists. Each would have their own psychological translation of the story.

What is rabbitosis?

sibeen said:

dv said:

What is rabbitosis?

Rabbit starvation, also referred to as protein poisoning or mal de caribou or fat starvation, is a rare form of acute malnutrition thought to be caused by a complete absence of fat.
Excess protein is sometimes cited as the cause of this issue; when meat and fat are consumed in the correct ratio, such as that found in pemmican, the diet is considered nutritionally complete, and can support humans for months or more. Other stressors, such as severe cold or dry environment, may intensify symptoms or decrease time to onset. Symptoms include diarrhea, headache, fatigue, low blood pressure and slow heart rate, and a vague discomfort and hunger (very similar to a food craving) that can be satisfied only by the consumption of fat.
Rabbit meat is very lean. Commercial rabbit meat has 50–100 g dissectable fat per 2 kg (live weight). Based on a carcass yield of 60%, rabbit meat is around 8.3% fat. For comparison, in terms of carcass composition, beef is 32% fat, pork is 32%, and lamb is 28%. Pemmican is 50% fat by weight.

Rabbit starvation

The Cain and Abel stories particular description of a relationship between a herder and agriculturalist makes it likely that this tale may have originated with herding tribes and become a part of the greater culture during a period of herder domination, quite likely during the Kassite rule.

The lesson of “The Many Arrows” is a tale that is well known to have originated with Ghenghis Khan’s gathering of first the outcasts and then the greater tribes of the Mongols into unity. It is not hard to conceive of Cain & Abel originating as moral reproaching of the other caste in a struggle for cultural stability that when the Kassites came to rule could also indicate to the dominated that the Kassites saw them as brothers that were separated by strife.

Each tale in The Old Testament, with comprehensive research, describes various challenges and obstacles the rulers of any particular lineage may have encountered. It is not a tome that can be summarised in broad generalities but must account for all occurrences both man-made and natural. As Minoa is the Mediterranean’s toba event it is not a question of whether it was recorded in TFT but how that recording appears and what that tells us about what they did about it.

I’ve started with Noah and Moses because they are fairly obvious and simple to illustrate something supportable toward quickly. I have my own familiarity with TFT and am going to do some further comparisons with a little more reference revision. If any here have particular first testament stories that stuck in their head and would like included feel free to post them.

Postpocelipse said:

The Cain and Abel stories particular description of a relationship between a herder and agriculturalist makes it likely that this tale may have originated with herding tribes and become a part of the greater culture during a period of herder domination, quite likely during the Kassite rule.

The lesson of “The Many Arrows” is a tale that is well known to have originated with Ghenghis Khan’s gathering of first the outcasts and then the greater tribes of the Mongols into unity. It is not hard to conceive of Cain & Abel originating as moral reproaching of the other caste in a struggle for cultural stability that when the Kassites came to rule could also indicate to the dominated that the Kassites saw them as brothers that were separated by strife.

Each tale in The Old Testament, with comprehensive research, describes various challenges and obstacles the rulers of any particular lineage may have encountered. It is not a tome that can be summarised in broad generalities but must account for all occurrences both man-made and natural. As Minoa is the Mediterranean’s toba event it is not a question of whether it was recorded in TFT but how that recording appears and what that tells us about what they did about it.

The further speculation is whether or not the Cain and Abel tale began as the mid-east tribes reproach of the Egyptians. The Babylonians do not attempt to invade Egypt till the end of the 7th century and had only been considered an empire for short periods in comparison to the greater relative stability of the Egyptians. The Egyptians greater stability can be accounted for by the Nile’s predictability.

It seems apparent the tribes of Ishmael had greater difficulty sharing their water resources and therefore the history of Babylon as presented in the first testament is an account of both their own struggles to unite and their interaction with and beliefs about the Egyptians.

Which is about where Noah and Moses and Minoa and Arkhenaten come in, if you’ve missed that point by any chance.

Postpocelipse said:

The Babylonians do not attempt to invade Egypt till the end of the 7th century BC

Postpocelipse said:

I’ve started with Noah and Moses because they are fairly obvious and simple to illustrate something supportable toward quickly. I have my own familiarity with TFT and am going to do some further comparisons with a little more reference revision. If any here have particular first testament stories that stuck in their head and would like included feel free to post them.

King Solomon’s Mines is one I was getting round to that stands out.

Although Hammurabi appears among the Amorite and creates a code of law, it is not until the Kassite kings that there is sign of any particular religious secularism. The Amorite kings were of Sumerian origin who before them, being neighbour’s of Egypt, developed their own laws as the culture may have demanded. Sumerian influence fell on the far side of The Red Sea from Egypt. They will have been competitive but not developed enough to more than raise their noses at each other.

When the Kassites established their empire kings begin being called Rabbi. What I suggest here has happened is this. In the distancing of their borders from the Egyptians the Amorites had to conquer land dominated by herder tribes. Whoever was conquered, those that could not be assimilated at the time would be sold as slaves, to the Egyptians, during the reign of the Amorites. Various peoples children, including goat herders, will have become Egyptian slaves at their hands

The Kassites establish themselves in 1730 BC and at about 1720 a “West-Semitic speaking Syro-Canaanite dynasty in the delta area“http://totallyhistory.com/middle-kingdom-of-egypt/ come to dominate Egypt establishing the 14th Dynasty known for it’s coexistence with the local culture.

With the Egyptian Canaanite’s local diplomacy slaves will not have been free to return to their Kassite relatives.

The Minoan eruption is traceable in Chinese records of long winters as occurring in the late 18th century BC. This might have drawn high brows and sideways looks from the Kassite Babylon brothers of the 14th dynasty ruling family. “Is that a sign dear Pharaoh? How long do you think you will get along without us do you think?”, perhaps?

Generations later Arkhenaten uses these same slaves and other gathered survivors of the Minoan tidal wave to stage his coup against the priesthood.

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More coherent?

Nothing to do with Rameses I

Postpocelipse said:

Although Hammurabi appears among the Amorite and creates a code of law, it is not until the Kassite kings that there is sign of any particular religious secularism. The Amorite kings were of Sumerian origin who before them, being neighbour’s of Egypt, developed their own laws as the culture may have demanded. Sumerian influence fell on the far side of The Red Sea from Egypt. They will have been competitive but not developed enough to more than raise their noses at each other.

When the Kassites established their empire kings begin being called Rabbi. What I suggest here has happened is this. In the distancing of their borders from the Egyptians the Amorites had to conquer land dominated by herder tribes. Whoever was conquered, those that could not be assimilated at the time would be sold as slaves, to the Egyptians, during the reign of the Amorites. Various peoples children, including goat herders, will have become Egyptian slaves at their hands

The Kassites establish themselves in 1730 BC and at about 1720 a “West-Semitic speaking Syro-Canaanite dynasty in the delta area“http://totallyhistory.com/middle-kingdom-of-egypt/ come to dominate Egypt establishing the 14th Dynasty known for it’s coexistence with the local culture.

With the Egyptian Canaanite’s local diplomacy slaves will not have been free to return to their Kassite relatives.

The Minoan eruption is traceable in Chinese records of long winters as occurring in the late 18th century BC. This might have drawn high brows and sideways looks from the Kassite Babylon brothers of the 14th dynasty ruling family. “Is that a sign dear Pharaoh? How long do you think you will get along without us do you think?”, perhaps?

Generations later Arkhenaten uses these same slaves and other gathered survivors of the Minoan tidal wave to stage his coup against the priesthood.

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More coherent?

Does this or does this not provide substantial proof the deliverance of Egypt’s slaves may have been somewhat prophesied after Minoa’s destruction and seemingly fulfilled during the reign of Arkhenaten?

….and that they owe Franky his city?

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Although Hammurabi appears among the Amorite and creates a code of law, it is not until the Kassite kings that there is sign of any particular religious secularism. The Amorite kings were of Sumerian origin who before them, being neighbour’s of Egypt, developed their own laws as the culture may have demanded. Sumerian influence fell on the far side of The Red Sea from Egypt. They will have been competitive but not developed enough to more than raise their noses at each other.

When the Kassites established their empire kings begin being called Rabbi. What I suggest here has happened is this. In the distancing of their borders from the Egyptians the Amorites had to conquer land dominated by herder tribes. Whoever was conquered, those that could not be assimilated at the time would be sold as slaves, to the Egyptians, during the reign of the Amorites. Various peoples children, including goat herders, will have become Egyptian slaves at their hands

The Kassites establish themselves in 1730 BC and at about 1720 a “West-Semitic speaking Syro-Canaanite dynasty in the delta area“http://totallyhistory.com/middle-kingdom-of-egypt/ come to dominate Egypt establishing the 14th Dynasty known for it’s coexistence with the local culture.

With the Egyptian Canaanite’s local diplomacy slaves will not have been free to return to their Kassite relatives.

The Minoan eruption is traceable in Chinese records of long winters as occurring in the late 18th century BC. This might have drawn high brows and sideways looks from the Kassite Babylon brothers of the 14th dynasty ruling family. “Is that a sign dear Pharaoh? How long do you think you will get along without us do you think?”, perhaps?

Generations later Arkhenaten uses these same slaves and other gathered survivors of the Minoan tidal wave to stage his coup against the priesthood.

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More coherent?

Does this or does this not provide substantial proof the deliverance of Egypt’s slaves may have been somewhat prophesied after Minoa’s destruction and seemingly fulfilled during the reign of Arkhenaten?

….and that they owe Franky his city?

I’m afraid it is no less incoherent.

roughbarked said:

I’m afraid it is no less incoherent.

The Hebrew people were in control of both the Babylon and the Egypt side of the Red Sea before the Minoan eruption. The Semitic’s that came to rule Egypt at that time did not interfere with local laws. They left slaves of Semitic origin in captivity to the local population and the disapproval of the Babylonian Semitic’s. Boom. Jewish prophecies “All over the place I had to do the washing twice oh my lord what is happening to us?”

Arkhenaten arrives as prophecy fulfiller in the 14th century.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

I’m afraid it is no less incoherent.

The Hebrew people were in control of both the Babylon and the Egypt side of the Red Sea before the Minoan eruption. The Semitic’s that came to rule Egypt at that time did not interfere with local laws. They left slaves of Semitic origin in captivity to the local population and the disapproval of the Babylonian Semitic’s. Boom. Jewish prophecies “All over the place I had to do the washing twice oh my lord what is happening to us?”

Arkhenaten arrives as prophecy fulfiller in the 14th century.

Even after his failure the Egyptian priesthood knew the Babylonians were coming, at some point.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

I’m afraid it is no less incoherent.

The Hebrew people were in control of both the Babylon and the Egypt side of the Red Sea before the Minoan eruption. The Semitic’s that came to rule Egypt at that time did not interfere with local laws. They left slaves of Semitic origin in captivity to the local population and the disapproval of the Babylonian Semitic’s. Boom. Jewish prophecies “All over the place I had to do the washing twice oh my lord what is happening to us?”

Arkhenaten arrives as prophecy fulfiller in the 14th century.

Semitic’s = Semites ?

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

I’m afraid it is no less incoherent.

The Hebrew people were in control of both the Babylon and the Egypt side of the Red Sea before the Minoan eruption. The Semitic’s that came to rule Egypt at that time did not interfere with local laws. They left slaves of Semitic origin in captivity to the local population and the disapproval of the Babylonian Semitic’s. Boom. Jewish prophecies “All over the place I had to do the washing twice oh my lord what is happening to us?”

Arkhenaten arrives as prophecy fulfiller in the 14th century.

Even after his failure the Egyptian priesthood knew the Babylonians were coming, at some point.

He offered the slave population release for supporting him against the priests and they didn’t know where the Nile went and joined the Babylonians.

Michael V said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

I’m afraid it is no less incoherent.

The Hebrew people were in control of both the Babylon and the Egypt side of the Red Sea before the Minoan eruption. The Semitic’s that came to rule Egypt at that time did not interfere with local laws. They left slaves of Semitic origin in captivity to the local population and the disapproval of the Babylonian Semitic’s. Boom. Jewish prophecies “All over the place I had to do the washing twice oh my lord what is happening to us?”

Arkhenaten arrives as prophecy fulfiller in the 14th century.

Semitic’s = Semites ?

Thank you.

Look the contract says build this city. You only mentioned the whopping great dam when we got here. You can’t blame us for it running off before we could even get started! Just ask Russell. He’ll tell ya.

I can’t find the Minoan tsunami animation I watched a couple of years back. Wondering exactly how far up the Nile and Mid-Eastern rivers it may have effected. I know Egypt took longer to regain it’s economy.

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1 General Definitions

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• does not have a floor area greater then 4.0 metres; and
• is constructed in a tree on a lot used solely for residential
purposes;

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development does not require the planning approval of the Council:
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front setback area (or attached to the front facing portion of a building including the roof)
of land within a Heritage Protection Area or a place listed on the Heritage List, except
for the following:

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I’m sorry is there anything in particular you can’t comprehend dv?

Noah was the King of the Babylonians at the time of the Minoan Eruption. Moses was Arkhenaten.

Postpocelipse said:

I’m sorry is there anything in particular you can’t comprehend dv?

I understand all.

dv said:

Postpocelipse said:

I’m sorry is there anything in particular you can’t comprehend dv?

I understand all.

would you skip to the next bit for me please? I’m still working it out……

dv said:

Postpocelipse said:

I’m sorry is there anything in particular you can’t comprehend dv?

I understand all.

It contains three letters, a and two l’s.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Postpocelipse said:

I’m sorry is there anything in particular you can’t comprehend dv?

I understand all.

It contains three letters, a and two l’s.

It contains two letters, i and t.

Postpocelipse said:

dv said:

Postpocelipse said:

I’m sorry is there anything in particular you can’t comprehend dv?

I understand all.

would you skip to the next bit for me please? I’m still working it out……

Well, according to well some known scholars of the bible, Moses didn’t actually exist.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

I understand all.

It contains three letters, a and two l’s.

It contains two letters, i and t.

thus, it all is comprehensible.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

dv said:

I understand all.

would you skip to the next bit for me please? I’m still working it out……

Well, according to well some known scholars of the bible, Moses didn’t actually exist.

You think the slaves he borrowed called him Spunky Pants Arkhenaten? By the way it wouldn’t have been like them to let on that the guy had actually fucked up a pretty big contract before he let them take off.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

It contains three letters, a and two l’s.

It contains two letters, i and t.

thus, it all is comprehensible.

I’m still wondering what this uni-comprehensibly reference is? I’m just trying to figure out where in Armen Akhenatin hid his copy of the Ark of The Covenant and associated deific contents

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

It contains two letters, i and t.

thus, it all is comprehensible.

I’m still wondering what this uni-comprehensibly reference is? I’m just trying to figure out where in Armen Akhenatin hid his copy of the Ark of The Covenant and associated deific contents

Point is, he didn’t exist and it didn’t happen. At least not anywhere near cooee of the times mentioned.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

thus, it all is comprehensible.

I’m still wondering what this uni-comprehensibly reference is? I’m just trying to figure out where in Armen Akhenatin hid his copy of the Ark of The Covenant and associated deific contents

Point is, he didn’t exist and it didn’t happen. At least not anywhere near cooee of the times mentioned.

Arkhenaten did exist. Look him up he was the descendant of families that took over from the Semite dynasties of the Minoan eruption time. The slaves who will have supported his coup against the priests and built his failed city would not have been able to go back to Egypt.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

thus, it all is comprehensible.

I’m still wondering what this uni-comprehensibly reference is? I’m just trying to figure out where in Armen Akhenatin hid his copy of the Ark of The Covenant and associated deific contents

Point is, he didn’t exist and it didn’t happen. At least not anywhere near cooee of the times mentioned.

So your point is?

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

I’m still wondering what this uni-comprehensibly reference is? I’m just trying to figure out where in Armen Akhenatin hid his copy of the Ark of The Covenant and associated deific contents

Point is, he didn’t exist and it didn’t happen. At least not anywhere near cooee of the times mentioned.

Arkhenaten did exist. Look him up he was the descendant of families that took over from the Semite dynasties of the Minoan eruption time. The slaves who will have supported his coup against the priests and built his failed city would not have been able to go back to Egypt.

He wasn’t Moses.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

I’m still wondering what this uni-comprehensibly reference is? I’m just trying to figure out where in Armen Akhenatin hid his copy of the Ark of The Covenant and associated deific contents

Point is, he didn’t exist and it didn’t happen. At least not anywhere near cooee of the times mentioned.

So your point is?

It is difficult to believe most historical accounts of the times.

I remember a book I read around 1969 about the Thera eruption that destroyed the Minoan civilisation. It speculated on many of the old testament stories you have been speculating on. Pity I don’t remember the title or author.

Ah well.

Michael V said:

I remember a book I read around 1969 about the Thera eruption that destroyed the Minoan civilisation. It speculated on many of the old testament stories you have been speculating on. Pity I don’t remember the title or author.

Ah well.

I’m wondering if one waves travelled all the way up one of the Mid East rivers to provide an alternate to splitting the red sea in, joining the mediterranean to the Red Sea.

Postpocelipse said:

Michael V said:

I remember a book I read around 1969 about the Thera eruption that destroyed the Minoan civilisation. It speculated on many of the old testament stories you have been speculating on. Pity I don’t remember the title or author.

Ah well.

I’m wondering if one waves travelled all the way up one of the Mid East rivers to provide an alternate to splitting the red sea in, joining the mediterranean to the Red Sea.

Or, joined the Reed Sea adjacent to the Nile Delta to the Red Sea.

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Michael V said:

I remember a book I read around 1969 about the Thera eruption that destroyed the Minoan civilisation. It speculated on many of the old testament stories you have been speculating on. Pity I don’t remember the title or author.

Ah well.

I’m wondering if one waves travelled all the way up one of the Mid East rivers to provide an alternate to splitting the red sea in, joining the mediterranean to the Red Sea.

Or, joined the Reed Sea adjacent to the Nile Delta to the Red Sea.

Instead of that act of god being something that moses was there for it prophesied his coming.

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

I’m wondering if one waves travelled all the way up one of the Mid East rivers to provide an alternate to splitting the red sea in, joining the mediterranean to the Red Sea.

Or, joined the Reed Sea adjacent to the Nile Delta to the Red Sea.

Instead of that act of god being something that moses was there for it prophesied his coming.

They obscure his name so that the Egyptians don’t catch on but use his deliverance of his supporters to them as Proof of Messiah Life and go on with their plans to conquer Egypt which they attempt at a later date.

Franky says that he wasn’t there for a lot of it because humans back then were so ugly and smelly, which is why he needed me to do some research. He intends to have his day in court. He says that if they had built the dams like he ESP’ed to Arkhenaten the Nile would have stayed at Armen and Babylon and Egypt would have united like he told those little runaways they would, through ESP to Arkenaten. The priests wouldn’t have stood for long against that little trick, he says. Part of the damages he seeks is Trump damage he says.

I don’t think there are any actual historians who regard Moses as a real, rather than mythological, person now.

dv said:

I don’t think there are any actual historians who regard Moses as a real, rather than mythological, person now.

Indeed.

My father has recently published a book on the topic, specifically the Exodus story. Haven’t read it yet myself of course. But his basic premise is that there were a number of migrations at different times and for different reasons, and they all sort of got mashed together later (after living memory of the events had expired) to make a single composite story.

dv said:

I don’t think there are any actual historians who regard Moses as a real, rather than mythological, person now.

Franky says to say the sentence he ESP’ed, word for word, was, “Tell them you will unite the Hebrew People and those of Egypt like the omen of his coming united the Reed and Red Seas”.

You can see how they got that mixed up a bit.

party_pants said:

dv said:

I don’t think there are any actual historians who regard Moses as a real, rather than mythological, person now.

Indeed.

My father has recently published a book on the topic, specifically the Exodus story. Haven’t read it yet myself of course. But his basic premise is that there were a number of migrations at different times and for different reasons, and they all sort of got mashed together later (after living memory of the events had expired) to make a single composite story.

Moses was Arkhenaten father of Tutenkhamen raiser of the only monotheistic period of Egytpian history. Who do you think he used to gain pressure of numbers against the priests? I say descendants of Armonite sold slaves. And survivors of Minoan disaster they may have ended up with.

party_pants said:

dv said:

I don’t think there are any actual historians who regard Moses as a real, rather than mythological, person now.

Indeed.

My father has recently published a book on the topic, specifically the Exodus story. Haven’t read it yet myself of course. But his basic premise is that there were a number of migrations at different times and for different reasons, and they all sort of got mashed together later (after living memory of the events had expired) to make a single composite story.

I thought the latest scholarly thinking on this was there never was an exodus. The Jews were never captives in Egypt, and that basically the whole thing was just made up.

I take it your Father has certain theological reasons for believing in some form of exodus story.

Postpocelipse said:

dv said:

I don’t think there are any actual historians who regard Moses as a real, rather than mythological, person now.

Franky says to say the sentence he ESP’ed, word for word, was, “Tell them you will unite the Hebrew People and those of Egypt like the omen of his coming united the Reed and Red Seas”.

You can see how they got that mixed up a bit.

Who is Franky?

Postpocelipse said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

I don’t think there are any actual historians who regard Moses as a real, rather than mythological, person now.

Indeed.

My father has recently published a book on the topic, specifically the Exodus story. Haven’t read it yet myself of course. But his basic premise is that there were a number of migrations at different times and for different reasons, and they all sort of got mashed together later (after living memory of the events had expired) to make a single composite story.

Moses was Arkhenaten father of Tutenkhamen raiser of the only monotheistic period of Egytpian history. Who do you think he used to gain pressure of numbers against the priests? I say descendants of Armonite sold slaves. And survivors of Minoan disaster they may have ended up with.

No, Arkhenaten was Arkhenaten, an Egyptian pharaoh. His life story is nothing like that of Moses.

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

I don’t think there are any actual historians who regard Moses as a real, rather than mythological, person now.

Indeed.

My father has recently published a book on the topic, specifically the Exodus story. Haven’t read it yet myself of course. But his basic premise is that there were a number of migrations at different times and for different reasons, and they all sort of got mashed together later (after living memory of the events had expired) to make a single composite story.

I thought the latest scholarly thinking on this was there never was an exodus. The Jews were never captives in Egypt, and that basically the whole thing was just made up.

I take it your Father has certain theological reasons for believing in some form of exodus story.

He is pretty much trying to demonstrate to other christains that the bible is not to be taken literally, or as history.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

Indeed.

My father has recently published a book on the topic, specifically the Exodus story. Haven’t read it yet myself of course. But his basic premise is that there were a number of migrations at different times and for different reasons, and they all sort of got mashed together later (after living memory of the events had expired) to make a single composite story.

I thought the latest scholarly thinking on this was there never was an exodus. The Jews were never captives in Egypt, and that basically the whole thing was just made up.

I take it your Father has certain theological reasons for believing in some form of exodus story.

He is pretty much trying to demonstrate to other christains that the bible is not to be taken literally, or as history.

That doesn’t sound very evangelical of him. Does he really want to burn in hell for all eternity?

sibeen said:

I thought the latest scholarly thinking on this was there never was an exodus. The Jews were never captives in Egypt, and that basically the whole thing was just made up.

Yes.

The Egyptians were very good record keepers and they never mentioned the Israelites. Either it was invented from whole cloth or the story was borrowed from some other group of people.

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

I thought the latest scholarly thinking on this was there never was an exodus. The Jews were never captives in Egypt, and that basically the whole thing was just made up.

I take it your Father has certain theological reasons for believing in some form of exodus story.

He is pretty much trying to demonstrate to other christains that the bible is not to be taken literally, or as history.

That doesn’t sound very evangelical of him. Does he really want to burn in hell for all eternity?

He wants every Baptist preacher in the deep south to denounce him from the pulpit.

is moses his first or second name?

dv said:

Postpocelipse said:

party_pants said:

Indeed.

My father has recently published a book on the topic, specifically the Exodus story. Haven’t read it yet myself of course. But his basic premise is that there were a number of migrations at different times and for different reasons, and they all sort of got mashed together later (after living memory of the events had expired) to make a single composite story.

Moses was Arkhenaten father of Tutenkhamen raiser of the only monotheistic period of Egytpian history. Who do you think he used to gain pressure of numbers against the priests? I say descendants of Armonite sold slaves. And survivors of Minoan disaster they may have ended up with.

No, Arkhenaten was Arkhenaten, an Egyptian pharaoh. His life story is nothing like that of Moses.

He made a coup against the priests to make the egyptian faith monotheistic and used the Amorite Babylonians and the remnants of Minoan survivors to move a large portion of the capital city to a new site called Armen because that was where the Nile had moved and why the priests were in doubt among the people. When the Nile moved back the Egyptian priests got to get the faith of their people back but the slaves Arkhenaten used will have been slaughtered as traitors had they returned. They would have returned to the Kassites who ruled Babylon at that time and were the source of much of the Amorite sourcing of slaves to sell to Egypt.

They go back to Babylon with varying tales of the messiah prophesied by the joining of the seas, which gets screwed up for political reasons among others.

dv said:

sibeen said:

I thought the latest scholarly thinking on this was there never was an exodus. The Jews were never captives in Egypt, and that basically the whole thing was just made up.

Yes.

The Egyptians were very good record keepers and they never mentioned the Israelites. Either it was invented from whole cloth or the story was borrowed from some other group of people.

They weren’t Israelites they were the descendants of the Kassites before the herders that formed them rose against the Amorites and eventually created the first Babylonian Empire. Israel is a name of recent use.

ChrispenEvan said:

is moses his first or second name?

Just one name, he’s wholly Moses.

Postpocelipse said:

dv said:

Postpocelipse said:

Moses was Arkhenaten father of Tutenkhamen raiser of the only monotheistic period of Egytpian history. Who do you think he used to gain pressure of numbers against the priests? I say descendants of Armonite sold slaves. And survivors of Minoan disaster they may have ended up with.

No, Arkhenaten was Arkhenaten, an Egyptian pharaoh. His life story is nothing like that of Moses.

He made a coup against the priests to make the egyptian faith monotheistic and used the Amorite Babylonian bought slaves and the remnants of Minoan survivors to move a large portion of the capital city to a new site called Armen because that was where the Nile had moved and why the priests were in doubt among the people. When the Nile moved back the Egyptian priests got to get the faith of their people back but the slaves Arkhenaten used will have been slaughtered as traitors had they returned. They would have returned to the Kassites who ruled Babylon at that time and were the source of much of the Amorite sourcing of slaves to sell to Egypt.

They go back to Babylon with varying tales of the messiah prophesied by the joining of the seas, which gets screwed up for political reasons among others.

Postpocelipse said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

I thought the latest scholarly thinking on this was there never was an exodus. The Jews were never captives in Egypt, and that basically the whole thing was just made up.

Yes.

The Egyptians were very good record keepers and they never mentioned the Israelites. Either it was invented from whole cloth or the story was borrowed from some other group of people.

They weren’t Israelites they were the descendants of the Kassites before the herders that formed them rose against the Amorites and eventually created the first Babylonian Empire. Israel is a name of recent use.

Well, not that recent, given that the term is used in Exodus.

dv said:

Postpocelipse said:

dv said:

Yes.

The Egyptians were very good record keepers and they never mentioned the Israelites. Either it was invented from whole cloth or the story was borrowed from some other group of people.

They weren’t Israelites they were the descendants of the Kassites before the herders that formed them rose against the Amorites and eventually created the first Babylonian Empire. Israel is a name of recent use.

Well, not that recent, given that the term is used in Exodus.

The First Testament wasn’t written till long after these events. About 5-100 years.

Postpocelipse said:

dv said:

Postpocelipse said:

They weren’t Israelites they were the descendants of the Kassites before the herders that formed them rose against the Amorites and eventually created the first Babylonian Empire. Israel is a name of recent use.

Well, not that recent, given that the term is used in Exodus.

The First Testament wasn’t written till long after these events. About 500-1000 years.

Postpocelipse said:

dv said:

Postpocelipse said:

They weren’t Israelites they were the descendants of the Kassites before the herders that formed them rose against the Amorites and eventually created the first Babylonian Empire. Israel is a name of recent use.

Well, not that recent, given that the term is used in Exodus.

The First Testament wasn’t written till long after these events. About 5-100 years.

The events didn’t happen.

dv said:

Postpocelipse said:

dv said:

Well, not that recent, given that the term is used in Exodus.

The First Testament wasn’t written till long after these events. About 5-100 years.

The events didn’t happen.

Everything I described to you referencing Arkhenaten can be looked up in wiki.

Michael V said:

Postpocelipse said:

dv said:

I don’t think there are any actual historians who regard Moses as a real, rather than mythological, person now.

Franky says to say the sentence he ESP’ed, word for word, was, “Tell them you will unite the Hebrew People and those of Egypt like the omen of his coming united the Reed and Red Seas”.

You can see how they got that mixed up a bit.

Who is Franky?

Sorry. Frank N Furter of Rocky Horror Picture Show fame. He’s on the Transylvania thread.

Postpocelipse said:

dv said:

Postpocelipse said:

The First Testament wasn’t written till long after these events. About 5-100 years.

The events didn’t happen.

Everything I described to you referencing Arkhenaten can be looked up in wiki.

And the Kassites and the Amorites. I’ve done my homework

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

dv said:

The events didn’t happen.

Everything I described to you referencing Arkhenaten can be looked up in wiki.

And the Kassites and the Amorites. I’ve done my homework

I think I already told you: the pharoah Akhenaten was not the mythical figure Moses.

Postpocelipse said:

Michael V said:

Postpocelipse said:

Franky says to say the sentence he ESP’ed, word for word, was, “Tell them you will unite the Hebrew People and those of Egypt like the omen of his coming united the Reed and Red Seas”.

You can see how they got that mixed up a bit.

Who is Franky?

Sorry. Frank N Furter of Rocky Horror Picture Show fame. He’s on the Transylvania thread.

Ah. Thanks.

dv said:

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Everything I described to you referencing Arkhenaten can be looked up in wiki.

And the Kassites and the Amorites. I’ve done my homework. And the Semitic family that rose to rule the Egyptians as their 14th dynasty while respecting their laws.

I think I already told you: the pharoah Akhenaten was not the mythical figure Moses.

Yes he is. Do the homework

How else did Arkhenaten back down the priests to monotheism and get his city moved?

Postpocelipse said:

How else did Arkhenaten back down the priests to monotheism and get his city moved?

Slaves, he used slaves.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

How else did Arkhenaten back down the priests to monotheism and get his city moved?

Slaves, he used slaves.

Of Kassite caste sold to the Egyptians by the former Amorite Babylonians. 500 000 of them seems a pretty believable number to have moved Egyptian obelisks 90M’s to Armen and been a reasonable population to have stemmed from the Amorite trade with Egypt.

Ever since the mid east religions have been poncing about as if they can tell you what god said.

I expect the Kassite Babylonians either found or were told of people found buried in Minoan ashes goes a long way to explaining fleeing witnesses being turned to salt at Sodom.

Postpocelipse said:

I expect the Kassite Babylonians either found or were told of people found buried in Minoan ashes goes a long way to explaining fleeing witnesses being turned to salt at Sodom.

How quickly would the people of Pompeii have been mummified? The only experience they had with that was through Egyptians.

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

I expect the Kassite Babylonians either found or were told of people found buried in Minoan ashes goes a long way to explaining fleeing witnesses being turned to salt at Sodom.

How quickly would the people of Pompeii have been mummified? The only experience they had with that was through Egyptians.

How quick? Minutes. No prior knowledge or experience required. Just an exploding volcano in the vicinity.

AwesomeO said:

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

I expect the Kassite Babylonians either found or were told of people found buried in Minoan ashes goes a long way to explaining fleeing witnesses being turned to salt at Sodom.

How quickly would the people of Pompeii have been mummified? The only experience they had with that was through Egyptians.

How quick? Minutes. No prior knowledge or experience required. Just an exploding volcano in the vicinity.

So Sodom being destroyed by a pillar of fire gives clear indication Minoa governed tales from the bible.

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

I expect the Kassite Babylonians either found or were told of people found buried in Minoan ashes goes a long way to explaining fleeing witnesses being turned to salt at Sodom.

How quickly would the people of Pompeii have been mummified? The only experience they had with that was through Egyptians.

They were not mummified in the traditional sense, which is a slow process that takes weeks or months.

The bodies found in the boat arches on the beach at Herculaneum (somewhat closer than Pompeii) were killed very quickly, instantly by pyroclastic flow. All of the skeletons found in the arches had fractured skulls, indicating that the blood inside the brain boiled and exploded out through the skull. Pretty gross, but that’s the evidence.

it’s eruption that is…..

party_pants said:

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

I expect the Kassite Babylonians either found or were told of people found buried in Minoan ashes goes a long way to explaining fleeing witnesses being turned to salt at Sodom.

How quickly would the people of Pompeii have been mummified? The only experience they had with that was through Egyptians.

They were not mummified in the traditional sense, which is a slow process that takes weeks or months.

The bodies found in the boat arches on the beach at Herculaneum (somewhat closer than Pompeii) were killed very quickly, instantly by pyroclastic flow. All of the skeletons found in the arches had fractured skulls, indicating that the blood inside the brain boiled and exploded out through the skull. Pretty gross, but that’s the evidence.

I’d expect their liquids will have evaporated very quickly leaving husks with various degrees of dessicated bone within.

Postpocelipse said:

AwesomeO said:

Postpocelipse said:

How quickly would the people of Pompeii have been mummified? The only experience they had with that was through Egyptians.

How quick? Minutes. No prior knowledge or experience required. Just an exploding volcano in the vicinity.

So Sodom being destroyed by a pillar of fire gives clear indication Minoa governed tales from the bible.

I was answering your question about Pompeii. Don’t know why I bothered, you are away with the fairys.

Postpocelipse said:

party_pants said:

Postpocelipse said:

How quickly would the people of Pompeii have been mummified? The only experience they had with that was through Egyptians.

They were not mummified in the traditional sense, which is a slow process that takes weeks or months.

The bodies found in the boat arches on the beach at Herculaneum (somewhat closer than Pompeii) were killed very quickly, instantly by pyroclastic flow. All of the skeletons found in the arches had fractured skulls, indicating that the blood inside the brain boiled and exploded out through the skull. Pretty gross, but that’s the evidence.

I’d expect their liquids will have evaporated very quickly leaving husks with various degrees of dessicated bone within.

For anyone caught in the waves and their aftermath the quicker alternative will have been the obvious preference.

AwesomeO said:

Postpocelipse said:

AwesomeO said:

How quick? Minutes. No prior knowledge or experience required. Just an exploding volcano in the vicinity.

So Sodom being destroyed by a pillar of fire gives clear indication Minoa governed tales from the bible.

I was answering your question about Pompeii. Don’t know why I bothered, you are away with the fairys.

The pivotal feature of the destruction of Sodom is it is destroyed by a Pillar of Fire and the fleeing witness who ignores warning not to turn and look at the pillar “of god” turns to salt, a fair description of an ash mummified carcass for the people of the time.

I didn’t choose to become so familiar with The First Testament I only looked up correlating facts when I found something coincident with historical fact.

Postpocelipse said:

I didn’t choose to become so familiar with The First Testament I only looked up correlating facts when I found something coincident with historical fact.

How long did you study and research this?
Just curious, my Dad’s book is the work of 15 years.

Postpocelipse said:

I didn’t choose to become so familiar with The First Testament

It was rammed down my throat ad nauseam so that when I have gaps in what I have to do or want to do I’ve looked up history until I could put it in perspective. Sorry it isn’t your default subject reference practice.

party_pants said:

Postpocelipse said:

I didn’t choose to become so familiar with The First Testament I only looked up correlating facts when I found something coincident with historical fact.

How long did you study and research this?
Just curious, my Dad’s book is the work of 15 years.

Since I was early enough to start remembering stories read to me as it happens. Comes with having a cult leader for a father.

So since about 5.

Wasn’t a throw away interest for me. I’ve had to go through the research process to get the repetitive philosophical rants out of my head when they start echoing through my brain when stress rises.

A feature of my father’s sociapathy was that he believed he was the reincarnation of Rameses The Great. I wouldn’t argue with this point if being Rameses I meant he was also Henry VIII but his affection for the story was that it placed him in the Moses story as his Pharaoh fellow philosopher and anti-hero combatant, according to his translation of the story. Some researchers have ummed and ahhed about Rameses because he did actually build pyramids like mentioned being built by slaves in the Moses story. I don’t think the Egyptians had them building Pyramids but rather Temples.

Postpocelipse said:

A feature of my father’s sociapathy was that he believed he was the reincarnation of Rameses The Great. I wouldn’t argue with this point if being Rameses I meant he was also Henry VIII but his affection for the story was that it placed him in the Moses story as his Pharaoh fellow philosopher and anti-hero combatant, according to his translation of the story. Some researchers have ummed and ahhed about Rameses because he did actually build pyramids like mentioned being built by slaves in the Moses story. I don’t think the Egyptians had them building Pyramids but rather Temples.

How many quaffs of Ramses superior great papyrus rum did this epistle require?

Postpocelipse said:

Wasn’t a throw away interest for me. I’ve had to go through the research process to get the repetitive philosophical rants out of my head when they start echoing through my brain when stress rises.

Have never had that problem to surmount.

The Canaanite family of the 14th Egyptian dynasty will have had to adhere to allowing the Egyptians to retain their own laws out of simple hospitality customs of the time, when it comes down to it. You have to show deference to those that take you in. The Kassites will have resented this as they would have seen the opportunity to unite Egypt with Babylon and thus onward to the globe. Minoa blows up and effects the Egyptians worse than the Kassites and Arkhenaten complicates things in the middle. It is all there in the links I have already provided.

roughbarked said:

How many quaffs of Ramses superior great papyrus rum did this epistle require?

I don’t think it was Egyptian rum that poisoned him. More likely their royal lineage insurance policies.

Postpocelipse said:

The Canaanite family of the 14th Egyptian dynasty will have had to adhere to allowing the Egyptians to retain their own laws out of simple hospitality customs of the time, when it comes down to it. You have to show deference to those that take you in. The Kassites will have resented this as they would have seen the opportunity to unite Egypt with Babylon and thus onward to the globe. Minoa blows up and effects the Egyptians worse than the Kassites and Arkhenaten complicates things in the middle. It is all there in the links I have already provided.

The thing about eruptions is that they can be factually dated.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

Wasn’t a throw away interest for me. I’ve had to go through the research process to get the repetitive philosophical rants out of my head when they start echoing through my brain when stress rises.

Have never had that problem to surmount.

Bit of a dull one BUT! I’ve learnt a lot about a long time ago and far far away!

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

The Canaanite family of the 14th Egyptian dynasty will have had to adhere to allowing the Egyptians to retain their own laws out of simple hospitality customs of the time, when it comes down to it. You have to show deference to those that take you in. The Kassites will have resented this as they would have seen the opportunity to unite Egypt with Babylon and thus onward to the globe. Minoa blows up and effects the Egyptians worse than the Kassites and Arkhenaten complicates things in the middle. It is all there in the links I have already provided.

The thing about eruptions is that they can be factually dated.

Yes and the evidence from Chinese harvest records is that Minoa erupted just before 1700 BC. The Kassites began unification of Babylon in 1730 and the Canaanite family took the Egyptian reigns in 1720 BC and lasted about 80 or so years.

party_pants said:

Postpocelipse said:

I didn’t choose to become so familiar with The First Testament I only looked up correlating facts when I found something coincident with historical fact.

How long did you study and research this?
Just curious, my Dad’s book is the work of 15 years.

Your dad probably didn’t have a good idea what he was looking for when he started his book. I started mine about the age of 18 and I’m now nearly 41. Sorry my math’s is ruly shit?

Postpocelipse said:

Sorry my math’s is ruly shit?

Especially with how to add the pre-schooling required for that into the equation?

Postpocelipse said:

party_pants said:

Postpocelipse said:

I didn’t choose to become so familiar with The First Testament I only looked up correlating facts when I found something coincident with historical fact.

How long did you study and research this?
Just curious, my Dad’s book is the work of 15 years.

Your dad probably didn’t have a good idea what he was looking for when he started his book. I started mine about the age of 18 and I’m now nearly 41. Sorry my math’s is ruly shit?

truly ruly?

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Sorry my math’s is ruly shit?

Especially with how to add the pre-schooling required for that into the equation?

So basically you discounted the bible at a very early age?

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

party_pants said:

How long did you study and research this?
Just curious, my Dad’s book is the work of 15 years.

Your dad probably didn’t have a good idea what he was looking for when he started his book. I started mine about the age of 18 and I’m now nearly 41. Sorry my math’s is ruly shit?

truly ruly?

He claimed to have been various rulers at various times. Apparently he was Marco Polo. If he get’s to be him then I was Ghenghis Khan.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Sorry my math’s is ruly shit?

Especially with how to add the pre-schooling required for that into the equation?

So basically you discounted the bible at a very early age?

Yup pretty much. Only first testament with any definitive nature.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

Especially with how to add the pre-schooling required for that into the equation?

So basically you discounted the bible at a very early age?

Yup pretty much. Only first testament with any definitive nature.

Old.

common parlance is old testament.

sorry, it matters to me.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

Especially with how to add the pre-schooling required for that into the equation?

So basically you discounted the bible at a very early age?

Yup pretty much. Only first testament with any definitive nature.

Which to most would be the OLD testament because we are all neolithic, being modern and all that.

party_pants said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

So basically you discounted the bible at a very early age?

Yup pretty much. Only first testament with any definitive nature.

Old.

common parlance is old testament.

sorry, it matters to me.

I’m musical so maybe that is why the chromatic reference stuck.

Postpocelipse said:

party_pants said:

Postpocelipse said:

Yup pretty much. Only first testament with any definitive nature.

Old.

common parlance is old testament.

sorry, it matters to me.

I’m musical so maybe that is why the chromatic reference stuck.

I’m musical too but could always see the symmetry of santa and satan.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

So basically you discounted the bible at a very early age?

Yup pretty much. Only first testament with any definitive nature.

Which to most would be the OLD testament because we are all neolithic, being modern and all that.

Yes p_p showed the same concern with reference grammar. Is the distinction genuinely noteworthy to the greater research?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_First_Testament

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

party_pants said:

Old.

common parlance is old testament.

sorry, it matters to me.

I’m musical so maybe that is why the chromatic reference stuck.

I’m musical too but could always see the symmetry of santa and satan.

I really don’t know where you are going with that. There is no santa. Satan is Frank N Furter.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

Yup pretty much. Only first testament with any definitive nature.

Which to most would be the OLD testament because we are all neolithic, being modern and all that.

Yes p_p showed the same concern with reference grammar. Is the distinction genuinely noteworthy to the greater research?

Indeed it is.

By the way, largely discount the NEW testament as drivel. Mostly view the OLD testament with scepticism.

dv said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_First_Testament

To me the first testament was the first edition. unchanged.. without reading any explanations// try wiki on belief.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

I’m musical so maybe that is why the chromatic reference stuck.

I’m musical too but could always see the symmetry of santa and satan.

I really don’t know where you are going with that. There is no santa. Satan is Frank N Furter.

cool. ;)

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Which to most would be the OLD testament because we are all neolithic, being modern and all that.

Yes p_p showed the same concern with reference grammar. Is the distinction genuinely noteworthy to the greater research?

Indeed it is.

By the way, largely discount the NEW testament as drivel. Mostly view the OLD testament with scepticism.

The new testament is only important in contrast to it’s rival in The Koran, as far as translation goes.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

Yes p_p showed the same concern with reference grammar. Is the distinction genuinely noteworthy to the greater research?

Indeed it is.

By the way, largely discount the NEW testament as drivel. Mostly view the OLD testament with scepticism.

The new testament is only important in contrast to it’s rival in The Koran, as far as translation goes.

Did you find Christ in the Koran?

roughbarked said:

dv said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_First_Testament

To me the first testament was the first edition. unchanged.. without reading any explanations// try wiki on belief.

Check the link…

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Indeed it is.

By the way, largely discount the NEW testament as drivel. Mostly view the OLD testament with scepticism.

The new testament is only important in contrast to it’s rival in The Koran, as far as translation goes.

Did you find Christ in the Koran?

Of course. Jesus is a major figure in the Koran.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

The new testament is only important in contrast to it’s rival in The Koran, as far as translation goes.

Did you find Christ in the Koran?

Of course. Jesus is a major figure in the Koran.

I see that you are well read. ;)

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

I’m musical too but could always see the symmetry of santa and satan.

I really don’t know where you are going with that. There is no santa. Satan is Frank N Furter.

cool. ;)

Ye-huh way man! He first cast his toasty sperms into the Egyptian nobles around just before the Canaanites took their palace bro. Then when they got the throne room back they all just wanted to boom each other because his genes was so totally amped up and pumpin in their bloodstreams right? This bogus behaviour led to Arkhenaten being all deformed and his son Tutenkhamen was even worse-all mangle footed and barrel bodied. TOTALLY ruined the Egyptians empirical days you know!

roughbarked said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

Did you find Christ in the Koran?

Of course. Jesus is a major figure in the Koran.

I see that you are well read. ;)

Why thank you

dv said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_First_Testament

To me the first testament was the first edition. unchanged.. without reading any explanations// try wiki on belief.

Check the link…

Having done that.. ;)

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Indeed it is.

By the way, largely discount the NEW testament as drivel. Mostly view the OLD testament with scepticism.

The new testament is only important in contrast to it’s rival in The Koran, as far as translation goes.

Did you find Christ in the Koran?

Haven’t bothered to look but I’ve heard he’s mentioned as a prophet.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

The new testament is only important in contrast to it’s rival in The Koran, as far as translation goes.

Did you find Christ in the Koran?

Haven’t bothered to look but I’ve heard he’s mentioned as a prophet.

As dv said. His name is oft mentioned. After all, Mohammed was something like 600 years after Christ.

Postpocelipse said:

Ye-huh way man! He first cast his toasty sperms into the Egyptian nobles around just before the Canaanites took their palace bro. Then when they got the throne room back they all just wanted to boom each other because his genes was so totally amped up and pumpin in their bloodstreams right? This bogus behaviour led to Arkhenaten being all deformed and his son Tutenkhamen was even worse-all mangle footed and barrel bodied. TOTALLY ruined the Egyptians empirical days you know!

Ye-huh if you don’t believe me you can read it in The Secret Diary Of Arkhenaten Who Secretly Wanted to be King of Babylon & Egypt. That is with the other Hebraic stuff his family kept from the Canaanites, probably somewhere in a hole in Armen.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Did you find Christ in the Koran?

Haven’t bothered to look but I’ve heard he’s mentioned as a prophet.

As dv said. His name is oft mentioned. After all, Mohammed was something like 600 years after Christ.

I’ve heard plenty about it since Bush the 1st but 2nd stupidest

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Ye-huh way man! He first cast his toasty sperms into the Egyptian nobles around just before the Canaanites took their palace bro. Then when they got the throne room back they all just wanted to boom each other because his genes was so totally amped up and pumpin in their bloodstreams right? This bogus behaviour led to Arkhenaten being all deformed and his son Tutenkhamen was even worse-all mangle footed and barrel bodied. TOTALLY ruined the Egyptians empirical days you know!

Ye-huh if you don’t believe me you can read it in The Secret Diary Of Arkhenaten Who Secretly Wanted to be King of Babylon & Egypt. That is with the other Hebraic stuff his family kept from the Canaanites, probably somewhere in a hole in Armen.

Are you a descendant of Abraham? er.. closet or otherwise?

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

Haven’t bothered to look but I’ve heard he’s mentioned as a prophet.

As dv said. His name is oft mentioned. After all, Mohammed was something like 600 years after Christ.

I’ve heard plenty about it since Bush the 1st but 2nd stupidest

latecomers to this history but then this may be your new testament reference point?

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Ye-huh way man! He first cast his toasty sperms into the Egyptian nobles around just before the Canaanites took their palace bro. Then when they got the throne room back they all just wanted to boom each other because his genes was so totally amped up and pumpin in their bloodstreams right? This bogus behaviour led to Arkhenaten being all deformed and his son Tutenkhamen was even worse-all mangle footed and barrel bodied. TOTALLY ruined the Egyptians empirical days you know!

Ye-huh if you don’t believe me you can read it in The Secret Diary Of Arkhenaten Who Secretly Wanted to be King of Babylon & Egypt. That is with the other Hebraic stuff his family kept from the Canaanites, probably somewhere in a hole in Armen.

Are you a descendant of Abraham? er.. closet or otherwise?

No man I went and watched him burying it with the time-booth but the place looks super different now!

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

As dv said. His name is oft mentioned. After all, Mohammed was something like 600 years after Christ.

I’ve heard plenty about it since Bush the 1st but 2nd stupidest

latecomers to this history but then this may be your new testament reference point?

Pretty well yeah.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

Ye-huh if you don’t believe me you can read it in The Secret Diary Of Arkhenaten Who Secretly Wanted to be King of Babylon & Egypt. That is with the other Hebraic stuff his family kept from the Canaanites, probably somewhere in a hole in Armen.

Are you a descendant of Abraham? er.. closet or otherwise?

No man I went and watched him burying it with the time-booth but the place looks super different now!

Fuck man! Have you looked around in Australia. since you’ve been here?

Abraham, too, is a mythical figure.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Are you a descendant of Abraham? er.. closet or otherwise?

No man I went and watched him burying it with the time-booth but the place looks super different now!

Fuck man! Have you looked around in Australia. since you’ve been here?

Yeah not heaps. Been trying to get a hold of that big gold box Akhenaten kept all that Hebrew related stuff in. It was super-close guarded till he buried it but I can’t get the time-booth to go to the day after he buries it to mark the spot so I can dig it up. It wouldn’t fit in the booth and all.

dv said:

Abraham, too, is a mythical figure.

exactly.

dv said:

Abraham, too, is a mythical figure.

Nah-uh bro! Abraham 1 is a mythifical figure. Abraham 2 was just some dude pimpin his Harem using the title for marketing purposes. Yeah.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

No man I went and watched him burying it with the time-booth but the place looks super different now!

Fuck man! Have you looked around in Australia. since you’ve been here?

Yeah not heaps. Been trying to get a hold of that big gold box Akhenaten kept all that Hebrew related stuff in. It was super-close guarded till he buried it but I can’t get the time-booth to go to the day after he buries it to mark the spot so I can dig it up. It wouldn’t fit in the booth and all.

and here was me believing the TARDIS was bigger on the inside.

King David was probably a person.

dv said:

King David was probably a person.

though probable doesn’t mean possible?

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Fuck man! Have you looked around in Australia. since you’ve been here?

Yeah not heaps. Been trying to get a hold of that big gold box Akhenaten kept all that Hebrew related stuff in. It was super-close guarded till he buried it but I can’t get the time-booth to go to the day after he buries it to mark the spot so I can dig it up. It wouldn’t fit in the booth and all.

and here was me believing the TARDIS was bigger on the inside.

Me and Bill are pretty jealous of his ride but he doesn’t get to rule the future and stuff huh Bill?

Hell nuh Ted

roughbarked said:

dv said:

King David was probably a person.

though probable doesn’t mean possible?

David is a reference to the father prophet of the Messiah. All of that is way-complicated and not as easy to decipher as Ye Olde Scrap-Parchment.

Moses was probably a person as well as there are actually millions called Jesus Christ or at least a lot more than have the same name as me.

roughbarked said:

Moses was probably a person as well as there are actually millions called Jesus Christ or at least a lot more than have the same name as me.

Nah Moses was one guy, Arkhenaten. The rest are a bit of various characters combined but he is just one rebel leader yeah.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Moses was probably a person as well as there are actually millions called Jesus Christ or at least a lot more than have the same name as me.

Nah Moses was one guy, Arkhenaten. The rest are a bit of various characters combined but he is just one rebel leader yeah.

Look as you all know. I really don’t have the bandwidth to search the questions you put to me. However I’ll try to tell you that the Moses you claim to be who you claim to be, simply could never have actually existed at the same time.

The truth is if we don’t find Arkhenaten’s copies of the covenant stuff the robot future is going to beat us and terminators will come to get you. Frank N Furter has to stop us finding the box and if he does he gets to set terminators loose. It’s kinda important to the future continuity of good rock & roll. That and Kiss’s song being taken out of our sequel. Both really important to the future.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Moses was probably a person as well as there are actually millions called Jesus Christ or at least a lot more than have the same name as me.

Nah Moses was one guy, Arkhenaten. The rest are a bit of various characters combined but he is just one rebel leader yeah.

Look as you all know. I really don’t have the bandwidth to search the questions you put to me. However I’ll try to tell you that the Moses you claim to be who you claim to be, simply could never have actually existed at the same time.

Arkhenaten existed and that is all that was needed for the legend of Moses to begin with the Babylonian people of the time. Look it up. None of my references are fake.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Moses was probably a person as well as there are actually millions called Jesus Christ or at least a lot more than have the same name as me.

Nah Moses was one guy, Arkhenaten. The rest are a bit of various characters combined but he is just one rebel leader yeah.

Look as you all know. I really don’t have the bandwidth to search the questions you put to me. However I’ll try to tell you that the Moses you claim to be who you claim to be, simply could never have actually existed at the same time.

You aren’t telling me more than you couldn’t be arsed looking up the Kassites and Canaanites and Arkhenaten. Not anything else.

Kassites = The Abel characters of Cain and Abel

The Canaanites = The Semitic’s that ruled the Egyptians at the same time the Kassites began rule of Babylon. Likely to have supplied the following return of Egyptian nobles with Hebrew Cannon Arkhenaten could use for material in understanding how to sway the minds of the people he required to overcome the priests in his coup.

Postpocelipse said:

Kassites = The Abel characters of Cain and Abel

The Canaanites = The Cain characters and Semitic’s that ruled the Egyptians at the same time the Kassites began rule of Babylon. Likely to have supplied the following return of Egyptian nobles with Hebrew Cannon Arkhenaten could use for material in understanding how to sway the minds of the people he required to overcome the priests in his coup.

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Kassites = The Abel characters of Cain and Abel

The Canaanites = The Cain characters and Semitic’s that ruled the Egyptians at the same time the Kassites began rule of Babylon. Likely to have supplied the following return of Egyptian nobles with Hebrew Cannon Arkhenaten could use for material in understanding how to sway the minds of the people he required to overcome the priests in his coup.

Cain betrays Abel and brings the wrath of god in the shape of a messiah figure.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

Nah Moses was one guy, Arkhenaten. The rest are a bit of various characters combined but he is just one rebel leader yeah.

Look as you all know. I really don’t have the bandwidth to search the questions you put to me. However I’ll try to tell you that the Moses you claim to be who you claim to be, simply could never have actually existed at the same time.

Arkhenaten existed and that is all that was needed for the legend of Moses to begin with the Babylonian people of the time. Look it up. None of my references are fake.

you haven’t given me any.

There is even underlying resentment of priests and distrust of nobility in the New Testament which indicates the verbal tradition still strong with the commoners of the Jews in Jesus time.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

Nah Moses was one guy, Arkhenaten. The rest are a bit of various characters combined but he is just one rebel leader yeah.

Look as you all know. I really don’t have the bandwidth to search the questions you put to me. However I’ll try to tell you that the Moses you claim to be who you claim to be, simply could never have actually existed at the same time.

You aren’t telling me more than you couldn’t be arsed looking up the Kassites and Canaanites and Arkhenaten. Not anything else.

that is quite possibly correct but it is more because I have been there before.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Look as you all know. I really don’t have the bandwidth to search the questions you put to me. However I’ll try to tell you that the Moses you claim to be who you claim to be, simply could never have actually existed at the same time.

Arkhenaten existed and that is all that was needed for the legend of Moses to begin with the Babylonian people of the time. Look it up. None of my references are fake.

you haven’t given me any.

There are links all through this thread on the references I have drawn from.

roughbarked said:

that is quite possibly correct but it is more because I have been there before.

And where would “that” be?

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

Arkhenaten existed and that is all that was needed for the legend of Moses to begin with the Babylonian people of the time. Look it up. None of my references are fake.

you haven’t given me any.

There are links all through this thread on the references I have drawn from.

I have only been reading since this posting abandon.. I haven’t bothered reading back, as you seem likely to have surmised.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

you haven’t given me any.

There are links all through this thread on the references I have drawn from.

I have only been reading since this posting abandon.. I haven’t bothered reading back, as you seem likely to have surmised.

Well forgive me if I don’t re-link my references. I have had only vague negative responses that don’t discount anything I have linked to.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

that is quite possibly correct but it is more because I have been there before.

And where would “that” be?

All this shyte was shoved down my throat at as young or younger age than you rejected the entirety of it based on very little factual evidence.

I’ll only respond further to direct reference discussion on this thread. If people can’t look up the material why should I bother doing it for them.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

There are links all through this thread on the references I have drawn from.

I have only been reading since this posting abandon.. I haven’t bothered reading back, as you seem likely to have surmised.

Well forgive me if I don’t re-link my references. I have had only vague negative responses that don’t discount anything I have linked to.

I see no need to read the links. most of it can be found by following links provided buy simply searching wiki for the word, belief.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

that is quite possibly correct but it is more because I have been there before.

And where would “that” be?

All this shyte was shoved down my throat at as young or younger age than you rejected the entirety of it based on very little factual evidence.

Since the age of 5 for me and I guarantee it was more forcefully subjected on me than yourself. I spent 5 years in India with no contact with children my own age outside of my family while my father downloaded his favorite subjects.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

And where would “that” be?

All this shyte was shoved down my throat at as young or younger age than you rejected the entirety of it based on very little factual evidence.

Since the age of 5 for me and I guarantee it was more forcefully subjected on me than yourself. I spent 5 years in India with no contact with children my own age outside of my family while my father downloaded his favorite subjects.

are you talking pre-internet?

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

I have only been reading since this posting abandon.. I haven’t bothered reading back, as you seem likely to have surmised.

Well forgive me if I don’t re-link my references. I have had only vague negative responses that don’t discount anything I have linked to.

I see no need to read the links. most of it can be found by following links provided buy simply searching wiki for the word, belief.

Not at all. Arkhenaten, Kassites, Amorites and Canaanites and Minoa. Stop being fork tongued and misrepresenting anything and everything I have referred to.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

All this shyte was shoved down my throat at as young or younger age than you rejected the entirety of it based on very little factual evidence.

Since the age of 5 for me and I guarantee it was more forcefully subjected on me than yourself. I spent 5 years in India with no contact with children my own age outside of my family while my father downloaded his favorite subjects.

are you talking pre-internet?

That is where I got my familiarity with First Testament. The research on factual history I have undertaken since I was about 18 and got easier with the internet.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

Since the age of 5 for me and I guarantee it was more forcefully subjected on me than yourself. I spent 5 years in India with no contact with children my own age outside of my family while my father downloaded his favorite subjects.

are you talking pre-internet?

That is where I got my familiarity with First Testament. The research on factual history I have undertaken since I was about 18 and got easier with the internet.

Cain and Abel is a particular memory because according to his Buddhaship the reincarnation of Rameses I, I was Cain the originator of sin on earth. Nice kind of motive to have stuck in ones head to have to decipher from history huh?

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

Since the age of 5 for me and I guarantee it was more forcefully subjected on me than yourself. I spent 5 years in India with no contact with children my own age outside of my family while my father downloaded his favorite subjects.

are you talking pre-internet?

That is where I got my familiarity with First Testament. The research on factual history I have undertaken since I was about 18 and got easier with the internet.

Nothing got easier with the internet.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

are you talking pre-internet?

That is where I got my familiarity with First Testament. The research on factual history I have undertaken since I was about 18 and got easier with the internet.

Nothing got easier with the internet.

For you maybe.

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

are you talking pre-internet?

That is where I got my familiarity with First Testament. The research on factual history I have undertaken since I was about 18 and got easier with the internet.

Cain and Abel is a particular memory because according to his Buddhaship the reincarnation of Rameses I, I was Cain the originator of sin on earth. Nice kind of motive to have stuck in ones head to have to decipher from history huh?

Never could I be Cain but in no way was I abel.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

are you talking pre-internet?

That is where I got my familiarity with First Testament. The research on factual history I have undertaken since I was about 18 and got easier with the internet.

Nothing got easier with the internet.

Learning needs to be done way before you actually are capable of getting there.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

That is where I got my familiarity with First Testament. The research on factual history I have undertaken since I was about 18 and got easier with the internet.

Cain and Abel is a particular memory because according to his Buddhaship the reincarnation of Rameses I, I was Cain the originator of sin on earth. Nice kind of motive to have stuck in ones head to have to decipher from history huh?

Never could I be Cain but in no way was I abel.

I ended up understanding Cain’s perspective through the eyes of Ghenghis and then the Kassite conquerors. The only sin involved is in their sense of betrayal which is just poor me crap in response to political decisions that had to be made.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

Cain and Abel is a particular memory because according to his Buddhaship the reincarnation of Rameses I, I was Cain the originator of sin on earth. Nice kind of motive to have stuck in ones head to have to decipher from history huh?

Never could I be Cain but in no way was I abel.

I ended up understanding Cain’s perspective through the eyes of Ghenghis and then the Kassite conquerors. The only sin involved is in their sense of betrayal which is just poor me crap in response to political decisions that had to be made.

Betrayal seems to me to be more about a false sense of honour than simply being neighbours.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Never could I be Cain but in no way was I abel.

I ended up understanding Cain’s perspective through the eyes of Ghenghis and then the Kassite conquerors. The only sin involved is in their sense of betrayal which is just poor me crap in response to political decisions that had to be made.

Betrayal seems to me to be more about a false sense of honour than simply being neighbours.

The Kassites were the herders who believed they had been wronged and set about putting it right. Later on they fade and the more established influences return which rewrites the Kassite’s belief they were wronged by their own tribes in the Amorites as being an insult the Egyptians forced on them all. The false sense of honour can only be achieved by those who weren’t originally taking part.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

I ended up understanding Cain’s perspective through the eyes of Ghenghis and then the Kassite conquerors. The only sin involved is in their sense of betrayal which is just poor me crap in response to political decisions that had to be made.

Betrayal seems to me to be more about a false sense of honour than simply being neighbours.

The Kassites were the herders who believed they had been wronged and set about putting it right. Later on they fade and the more established influences return which rewrites the Kassite’s belief they were wronged by their own tribes in the Amorites as being an insult the Egyptians forced on them all. The false sense of honour can only be achieved by those who weren’t originally taking part.

FFS I know there is an election on but can’t you see the trees in the wood?

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Betrayal seems to me to be more about a false sense of honour than simply being neighbours.

The Kassites were the herders who believed they had been wronged and set about putting it right. Later on they fade and the more established influences return which rewrites the Kassite’s belief they were wronged by their own tribes in the Amorites as being an insult the Egyptians forced on them all. The false sense of honour can only be achieved by those who weren’t originally taking part.

FFS I know there is an election on but can’t you see the trees in the wood?

What are you asking? I am only expanding on your observation.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

FFS I know there is an election on but can’t you see the trees in the wood?

What are you asking? I am only expanding on your observation.

I mean I’m not driving so I shouldn’t expect to die in my sleep or anything?

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

FFS I know there is an election on but can’t you see the trees in the wood?

What are you asking? I am only expanding on your observation.

I mean I’m not driving so I shouldn’t expect to die in my sleep or anything?

so, who is driving?

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

What are you asking? I am only expanding on your observation.

I mean I’m not driving so I shouldn’t expect to die in my sleep or anything?

so, who is driving?

My desire to de-brainwash the download my father hard-wired into my brain. The factual research has been the only prescription toward that. The assumption around here I don’t do homework thoroughly is just not accurate.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

I mean I’m not driving so I shouldn’t expect to die in my sleep or anything?

so, who is driving?

My desire to de-brainwash the download my father hard-wired into my brain. The factual research has been the only prescription toward that. The assumption around here I don’t do homework thoroughly is just not accurate.

was never arguing anything of the sort.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

so, who is driving?

My desire to de-brainwash the download my father hard-wired into my brain. The factual research has been the only prescription toward that. The assumption around here I don’t do homework thoroughly is just not accurate.

was never arguing anything of the sort.

Didn’t say it was you.

Maybe the Minoans had a brief brush with scientology before being evaporated….. purportedly-again, but I don’t think so. They seemed to have had a keen awareness of the greater world and connection to academic development at their time, having been referred to as they have by the Greeks, but they flourished at a time when the greatest forces present were the Babylonian and Egyptian Empires at their height, yet there is little to know indication these cultures were aware of them, while the Minoans were obviously aware of the Babylonians and Egyptians. The Sea Peoples mobility provides some evidence that Babylon and Egypt should have had at least the scouting requirements to know of such a developed cultures existence even so far to their north.

Postpocelipse said:

Maybe the Minoans had a brief brush with scientology before being evaporated….. purportedly-again, but I don’t think so. They seemed to have had a keen awareness of the greater world and connection to academic development at their time, having been referred to as they have by the Greeks, but they flourished at a time when the greatest forces present were the Babylonian and Egyptian Empires at their height, yet there is little to know indication these cultures were aware of them, while the Minoans were obviously aware of the Babylonians and Egyptians. The Sea Peoples mobility provides some evidence that Babylon and Egypt should have had at least the scouting requirements to know of such a developed cultures existence even so far to their north.

Perhaps the Minoan origin I am looking for lies in a deal between the Amorite Babylonians and pre-Canaanite Egyptians to develop a safe facility for their respective learned due to the lack of stability their cultures had encountered. The cause of that lack of stability which they were seeking the answer to in Minoa manifested itself in the appearance of the Kassites as united herders.

The Kassite and Canaanite Empires briefly have access to this wealth in the form of knowledge which is then forgotten in the challenges they subsequently face when coping with the aftermath of Minoa’s destruction.

Minoan Theory Completed

Postpocelipse said:

Minoan Hypothesis Completed

Mid-to-Eastern Theosophical Analysis Complete

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Minoan Hypothesis Complete (Extra-Credits)

Maybe the Minoans had a brief brush with scientology before being evaporated….. purportedly-again, but I don’t think so. They seemed to have had a keen awareness of the greater world and connection to academic development at their time, having been referred to as they have by the Greeks, but they flourished at a time when the greatest forces present were the Babylonian and Egyptian Empires at their height, yet there is little to know indication these cultures were aware of them, while the Minoans were obviously aware of the Babylonians and Egyptians. The Sea Peoples mobility provides some evidence that Babylon and Egypt should have had at least the scouting requirements to know of such a developed cultures existence even so far to their north.

Perhaps the Minoan origin I am looking for lies in a deal between the Amorite Babylonians and pre-Canaanite Egyptians to develop a safe facility for their respective learned due to the lack of stability their cultures had encountered. The cause of that lack of stability which they were seeking the answer to in Minoa manifested itself in the appearance of the Kassites as united herders.

The Kassite and Canaanite Empires briefly have access to this wealth in the form of knowledge which is then forgotten in the challenges they subsequently face when coping with the aftermath of Minoa’s destruction.

Mid-to-Eastern Theosophical Analysis Complete

So ends my summary brief on the theosophical development of mid-to-eastern herding tribes. The philosophy that began as the Kassites attempt to unify Babylon turned into Ghenghis’s philosophy that did unite China and also led to communist military fervour.

Herders have, in my estimation, contributed more significantly to political debate and testing of cultural philosophy than agriculturalist based groups, who have contributed more significantly in investigating abuse of common people by nobility and corruption between economic powers.

Cain loses to Abel though the point of that story was made by herders at the time in relation to the Amorite and Egyptian agriculturalists. Ultimately the mid-eastern derivatives of the herders philosophical development gets left behind when Ghenghis gathers his herders to provide a further reaching political stability than what was being attempted to be achieved by the Kassites.

The depositing of various cues such as the Kassites stabilising Babylon and the Canaanites venture into Egyptian domination left the developing Hebrew theosophy with self analysis to overcome and so The “Old” Testament examines these in philosophical detail without divulging any Hebrew conspiracies or admitting to great failures.

The latter evaluation could indicate that the Russians might have the more honest answers to the Mid-East conflicts than Christian influenced Western Capitalist Democratic thinking.

Mid-to-Eastern Theosophical Hypothesis(Complete)

The west has a history of capitalising on the weaknesses of the mid-east.

The Russians have avoided this and maintain a line in their sand with greater military transparency of motive.

If the Israeli and the Muslim realised how full of shit they both are the rest of the world would just get on with things.

Postpocelipse said:

Minoan Hypothesis Complete (Extra-Personal-Credits)

Maybe the Minoans had a brief brush with scientology before being evaporated….. purportedly-again, but I don’t think so. They seemed to have had a keen awareness of the greater world and connection to academic development at their time, having been referred to as they have by the Greeks, but they flourished at a time when the greatest forces present were the Babylonian and Egyptian Empires at their height, yet there is little to no indication these cultures were aware of them, while the Minoans were obviously aware of the Babylonians and Egyptians. The Sea Peoples mobility provides some evidence that Babylon and Egypt should have had at least the scouting requirements to know of such a developed cultures existence even so far to their north.

Perhaps the Minoan origin I am looking for lies in a deal between the Amorite Babylonians and pre-Canaanite Egyptians to develop a safe facility for their respective learned due to the lack of stability their cultures had encountered. The cause of that lack of stability which they were seeking the answer to in Minoa manifested itself in the appearance of the Kassites as united herders.

The Kassite and Canaanite Empires briefly have access to this wealth in the form of knowledge which is then forgotten in the challenges they subsequently face when coping with the aftermath of Minoa’s destruction.

Temple Of Solomon(secret knowledge) Tower Of Babel(Attempt to Unite Through Building on The Past) Sodom & Gomorrah(Amorite and Egyptian collusion) Cain & Abel(Amorite & Egyptian Collusion)

Mid-to-Eastern Theosophical Analysis Complete

So ends my summary brief on the theosophical development of mid-to-eastern herding tribes. The philosophy that began as the Kassites attempt to unify Babylon turned into Ghenghis’s philosophy that did unite China and also led to communist military fervour.

Herders have, in my estimation, contributed more significantly to political debate and testing of cultural philosophy than agriculturalist based groups, who have contributed more significantly in investigating abuse of common people by nobility and corruption between economic powers.

Cain loses to Abel though the point of that story was made by herders at the time in relation to the Amorite and Egyptian agriculturalists. Ultimately the mid-eastern derivatives of the herders philosophical development gets left behind when Ghenghis gathers his herders to provide a further reaching political stability than what was being attempted to be achieved by the Kassites.

The depositing of various cues such as the Kassites stabilising Babylon and the Canaanites venture into Egyptian domination left the developing Hebrew theosophy with self analysis to overcome and so The “Old” Testament examines these in philosophical detail without divulging any Hebrew conspiracies or admitting to great failures.

The latter evaluation could indicate that the Russians might have the more honest answers to the Mid-East conflicts than Christian influenced Western Capitalist Democratic thinking.

Mid-to-Eastern Theosophical Hypothesis(Complete)

The west has a history of capitalising on the weaknesses of the mid-east.

The Russians have avoided this and maintain a line in their sand with greater military transparency of motive.

If the Israeli and the Muslim realised how full of shit they both are the rest of the world would just get on with things.

Outcome for Future Assessment

If the Israeli and the Muslim realised how full of shit they both are the rest of the world would just get on with things.

This gives the rest of the world nearly twice the odds of convincing them they are full of shit before their internal matters destabilise the rest of the worlds ability to cope, PROVIDED, we respect the lessons the Russian and Chinese capitalism must have to teach the west when it has better developed.

I ask two basic question in that regard:

What is the relative state of Russia’s orthodox church in regard to paedophile priest history?

How quickly can China draw even with Russia in terms of population contentment with living standards?