In Australia, self deliverance, suicide is illegal, so if someone scams a person trying to purchase materials for this purpose can they be charged with a crime?

bob(from black rock) said:

In Australia, self deliverance, suicide is illegal, so if someone scams a person trying to purchase materials for this purpose can they be charged with a crime?

Scams how? Some scams are fraud.

dv said:

bob(from black rock) said:

In Australia, self deliverance, suicide is illegal, so if someone scams a person trying to purchase materials for this purpose can they be charged with a crime?

Scams how? Some scams are fraud.

Take the persons money, and doesn’t deliver the goods.

Suicide is not illegal in Victoria, but assisting someone to kill themselves is illegal. Knowingly supplying someone with materials to kill themselves is classified as assisting them in their suicide bid.

bob(from black rock) said:

dv said:

bob(from black rock) said:

In Australia, self deliverance, suicide is illegal, so if someone scams a person trying to purchase materials for this purpose can they be charged with a crime?

Scams how? Some scams are fraud.

Take the persons money, and doesn’t deliver the goods.

Well yes, that would be illegal.

That doesn’t answer your question, though, does it? If someone takes your monay without supplying the promised goods, that’s classified as obtaining financial advantage by deception, which is illegal and they can be charged. Whether they will be charged depends on whether you report their actions.

bob(from black rock) said:

In Australia, self deliverance, suicide is illegal, so if someone scams a person trying to purchase materials for this purpose can they be charged with a crime?

Not sure about scams but wasn’t Jack Kevorkian charged with supplying drugs to induce death or something like that

dv said:

bob(from black rock) said:

dv said:

Scams how? Some scams are fraud.

Take the persons money, and doesn’t deliver the goods.

Well yes, that would be illegal.

So the victim reports to the police, does he/she get charged too?

bob(from black rock) said:

dv said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Take the persons money, and doesn’t deliver the goods.

Well yes, that would be illegal.

So the victim reports to the police, does he/she get charged too?

Possibly but they are procurring them not supplying them, you may get charged with importing an illegal/dangerous substance

bob(from black rock) said:

dv said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Take the persons money, and doesn’t deliver the goods.

Well yes, that would be illegal.

So the victim reports to the police, does he/she get charged too?

Well what are we talking about? A rope? A set of razor blades? An empty syringe?

Proly that would be aiding a suicide which is illegal.

dv said:

bob(from black rock) said:

dv said:

Well yes, that would be illegal.

So the victim reports to the police, does he/she get charged too?

Well what are we talking about? A rope? A set of razor blades? An empty syringe?

A toxic substance is sought, solid, liquid or gas is paid for and not supplied.

Cymek said:

bob(from black rock) said:

dv said:

Well yes, that would be illegal.

So the victim reports to the police, does he/she get charged too?

Possibly but they are procurring them not supplying them, you may get charged with importing an illegal/dangerous substance

Balloon gas is not illegal & easily obtained.
See https://exitinternational.net/ for more info.

bob(from black rock) said:

dv said:

bob(from black rock) said:

So the victim reports to the police, does he/she get charged too?

Well what are we talking about? A rope? A set of razor blades? An empty syringe?

A toxic substance is sought, solid, liquid or gas is paid for and not supplied.

Is the substance completely illegal for use in Australia?

bob(from black rock) said:

dv said:

bob(from black rock) said:

So the victim reports to the police, does he/she get charged too?

Well what are we talking about? A rope? A set of razor blades? An empty syringe?

A toxic substance is sought, solid, liquid or gas is paid for and not supplied.

That fact it’s toxic may means its illegal in most countries therefore its a scam from the get go as they have no intention of supplying you as either they don’t actually have the substances or they do but they get intercepted at most customs and both you and them would get charged with attempting to import controlled substances.

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

bob(from black rock) said:

So the victim reports to the police, does he/she get charged too?

Possibly but they are procurring them not supplying them, you may get charged with importing an illegal/dangerous substance

Balloon gas is not illegal & easily obtained.
See https://exitinternational.net/ for more info.

I think you will find that about 15% pure oxygen is now added to the helium to prevent its use for self deliverance.

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

bob(from black rock) said:

So the victim reports to the police, does he/she get charged too?

Possibly but they are procurring them not supplying them, you may get charged with importing an illegal/dangerous substance

Balloon gas is not illegal & easily obtained.
See https://exitinternational.net/ for more info.

Yeah that’s different isn’t it, its legal so they could be charged with something, the victim just shouldn’t mention what they want it for.

I mean there are plenty of poisonous substances that are quite legal to own for various purposes.

bob(from black rock) said:

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

Possibly but they are procurring them not supplying them, you may get charged with importing an illegal/dangerous substance

Balloon gas is not illegal & easily obtained.
See https://exitinternational.net/ for more info.

I think you will find that about 15% pure oxygen is now added to the helium to prevent its use for self deliverance.

I thought it was 3% air.

dv said:

I mean there are plenty of poisonous substances that are quite legal to own for various purposes.

I suppose you want something that will end you life relatively nicely not foaming at the mouth writhing in pain

3% o2 or n2

Tamb said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Tamb said:

Balloon gas is not illegal & easily obtained.
See https://exitinternational.net/ for more info.

I think you will find that about 15% pure oxygen is now added to the helium to prevent its use for self deliverance.

I thought it was 3% air.

PRODUCT NAME BALLOON GAS
3. COMPOSITION/ INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
Ingredient CAS Number EC Number Content (v/v)
HELIUM 7440-59-7 231-168-5 97%
AIR – - 3%

Cymek said:

dv said:

I mean there are plenty of poisonous substances that are quite legal to own for various purposes.

I suppose you want something that will end you life relatively nicely not foaming at the mouth writhing in pain

Yeah or slashing your wrists, bit inconsiderant for the person who has to clean up.

Isn’t soliciting services or goods that are not delivered simply embezzlement?

If you provided a defective rope for the purposes of the thread and it failed under load resulting in severe rope burn, broken ankle, leg and pelvis causing severe physical pain and lifelong mental scaring you’d be in big trouble.
Occupation Health and Safety would want to have a word with you for starters.

Postpocelipse said:

Isn’t soliciting services or goods that are not delivered simply embezzlement?

Yes I think you are correct.

Okay well you’re being a bit vague.

A contract to provide illegal materials would be an illegal agreement, so the courts can’t enforce it, or punish someone for the breach.

If instead you are talking about someone providing something that is not banned, then the contract is enforceable.

In any case the police might like to know about someone who is operating this kind of business, and in the fair dinkum department the police would not prosecute the person who ordered the stuff if they were satisfied it was not intended for a third party.

ChrispenEvan said:

3% o2 or n2

Air.

Is that 3% actually going to help much…