Postpocelipse said:

Cymek said:

Without yet addressing the matter of what remains as observable feature on the surface I will start with the particulars of the impact that are most relevant.

The density of the earth’s core is responsible for retaining our relative mass and some of that of the impact body. It also is responsible for deflecting the impact body and it is this that requires assessment. The impact on the core will have gouged some of it’s original mass away and dispersed it. This is critical as the density of that material means that it will not have filled in evenly and will have created a wobble as the earth re-coalesced.

As the surface congealed with the various products of impact material the gouge in the core will have remained a feature as heavier materials pushed lighter out of the way to seek it’s relative mass pressure at the core.

My first claim would be that challenger deep still sit’s above this gouge in the core as it continues to settle.

I’ll compile the impact wave analysis as it can still be observed from surface features at a later point.

The distance between CD and the west coast of the america’s measures the height the impact wave reached before breaking back onto the core.

The length and depth of the Marianis Trench measures the impact depth on the core of the Earth.

The Siberian Traps retain the features of the surface impact while the northern american continent retains the features of the core impact deflection.

The Australian continent is made up of the materials left behind by the exiting impact body.

Where the Australian continent has collected the greatest mixture of core materials as the moon body left it behind, Africa has collected the body of the immediate surface impact mixture.

The core is molten, how does something molten retain a dent wouldn’t any deformation be temporary and then it repairs itself so its a sphere again

It is made mostly of iron. By the time the impact body reached it it had lost enough energy that it was deflected when they struck each other. Look at the gravity maps once the moons ones are finished. I guarantee there is substantial evidence it’s core was not destroyed either and was actually required to remain at least partially intact for the impact body energy to punch through and leave the earth behind.

i have read that it is off centre because of the earth’s gravitational influence whilst the moon was still molten.

Pulling it slightly towards the side facing the Earth ?

The core of either planetoid will have lost minimal rotation with the debriding of their mantles. The significant AM of each core will have contributed significantly to deflection. The side of the moon facing us is the collision side of it’s core, which lost momentum after deflection and having to punch it’s way back out of the molten mantle materials to deposit itself where it is.

First!

For an object to punch a hole through and out a planet wouldn’t it need to be significantly dense and hard and moving extremely fast

Cymek said:

For an object to punch a hole through and out a planet wouldn’t it need to be significantly dense and hard and moving extremely fast

Cymek said:

For an object to punch a hole through and out a planet wouldn’t it need to be significantly dense and hard and moving extremely fast

You haven’t read the figures on energy released in the impact that formed the moon?

Marianis measures x axis of impact wave. Mediterranean and North American geological zones provide a y axis with the appropriate analysis.

Postpocelipse said:

Cymek said:

For an object to punch a hole through and out a planet wouldn’t it need to be significantly dense and hard and moving extremely fast

You haven’t read the figures on energy released in the impact that formed the moon?

Did that punch a hole though the Earth though ?
I’d have though it would impact Earth, turning both bodies into a molten state with pieces flying off and reforming

Cymek said:

Postpocelipse said:

Cymek said:

For an object to punch a hole through and out a planet wouldn’t it need to be significantly dense and hard and moving extremely fast

You haven’t read the figures on energy released in the impact that formed the moon?

Did that punch a hole though the Earth though ?
I’d have though it would impact Earth, turning both bodies into a molten state with pieces flying off and reforming

No it deflected at the core after debriding either mantle into gooey slop that got in the way until it resettled.

Postpocelipse said:

Cymek said:

Postpocelipse said:

You haven’t read the figures on energy released in the impact that formed the moon?

Did that punch a hole though the Earth though ?
I’d have though it would impact Earth, turning both bodies into a molten state with pieces flying off and reforming

No it deflected at the core after debriding either mantle into gooey slop that got in the way until it resettled.

So partially through but off centred……..

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Cymek said:

Did that punch a hole though the Earth though ?
I’d have though it would impact Earth, turning both bodies into a molten state with pieces flying off and reforming

No it deflected at the core after debriding either mantle into gooey slop that got in the way until it resettled.

So partially through but off centred……..

Siberian Traps is the hole the core of the smaller body left on the way in. Australia is what is left of the exit hole and associated materials.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/moon-was-produced-by-a-head-on-collision-between-earth-and-a-forming-planet

ChrispenEvan said:

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/moon-was-produced-by-a-head-on-collision-between-earth-and-a-forming-planet

Does that somehow identify the impact/exit sites? No. So why did you supply it?

ChrispenEvan said:

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/moon-was-produced-by-a-head-on-collision-between-earth-and-a-forming-planet

I’ve read something similar before but was wondering could you get an impact that goes straight through a planet and the impactor is still somewhat intact. Could something survive such impact energies

bit hard for an object the size of Mars to go through an object that wasn’t much bigger and remain intact. remember that Theia added to the size of Earth.

• Could something survive such impact energies

An object made from neutrinos…

ChrispenEvan said:

bit hard for an object the size of Mars to go through an object that wasn’t much bigger and remain intact. remember that Theia added to the size of Earth.

Yes it did. The object was slightly smaller than moon-sized that punched through. A comparison between the energy absorption of the Siberian Traps and of the materials now known as Australia might give a closer estimate.

Cymek said:

ChrispenEvan said:

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/moon-was-produced-by-a-head-on-collision-between-earth-and-a-forming-planet

I’ve read something similar before but was wondering could you get an impact that goes straight through a planet and the impactor is still somewhat intact. Could something survive such impact energies

The mantle materials become a lubricant between either core when exerted to impact pressures. Lots of plasma-based energy release and a dent on either core is the total damage to the original bodies aside from the transfer of Theia’s mantle materials to our surface.

Postpocelipse said:

Cymek said:

ChrispenEvan said:

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/moon-was-produced-by-a-head-on-collision-between-earth-and-a-forming-planet

I’ve read something similar before but was wondering could you get an impact that goes straight through a planet and the impactor is still somewhat intact. Could something survive such impact energies

The mantle materials become a lubricant between either core when exerted to impact pressures. Lots of plasma-based energy release and a dent on either core is the total damage to the original bodies aside from the transfer of Theia’s mantle materials to our surface.

At point of impact mantle materials become debrided from the cores which remain spinning rapidly till they collide and deflect.

To be absolutely 100% fair to a fairly supplied reference, yes, with a little further consideration the moon’s core will have left the impact with a slight egg shape after it gouged into the Earth’s core deep enough to build up a cam-like lobe deformation that caught and contributed to it’s deflection to it’s current position.

hhmf..

I guess the basic OP summary provides an order of continent development that is worth supplying for reference to current mapping.

As I do not know the exact axial alignment of the collision I can only indicate “Siberian Traps” as final resting place of the materials that encountered first impact. As the deflection angle between Australia and that spot is in seemingly appropriate alignment for a deflection as described it fits the bill as the exit point of the moon core for that and other reasons.

Because the heaviest materials will have been deposited at the site of the moon cores exit of the debris field this suggests Australia is genuinely the first continent.

As the next heaviest but furthest spread mineral deposits begin in Africa I would assume it naturally takes second place and the continents fanning out from it were laid down by that wave-break, with the exception of India.

The materials of India and the Americas will have been formed basically from the froth along the crest of the breaking wave that dumped the major continents heavier mineral masses back on the globe.

The Pacific Ocean Rim is the effect of the materials that absorbed least energy from the impact and fell back to the core first. Probably heavy in core materials so it was harder for the rest of the settling mass to mix with so it’s kept the basic shape of the back end of the first wave.

That leaves the aggregation of Pangea as an equilibrium point between the mantle materials and the core finding axial resonance which has the dragged the rest of the continents back into line with the basic original alignment of the surface at time of impact. Interesting fluid dynamics……….

Questions for later: What would the magnetic field output of the Earth’s core have been at the high axial rotation it had pre-collision?

What effect has the shear point created at collision between the outer matter of the core and the now magnetically cross aligned inner core had on magnetic field dynamics?

Have to assume the sandstone deposits attached to Uluru and ‘alluvial fan’ were super-heated mantle materials that lubricated the core impact allowing deflection and subsequent punching through the wave mass.

So basically I would need a sample of the materials at the centre of Uluru’s mass and some samples of the relevant depth from the moon’s near side to prove this one way or the other. I can get permission from me auntie for the Uluru sample if anyone can hitch me a moonride…………

How long ago is this supposed to have happened?

the Siberian Traps are 250 million years old. To around the time of the end of the Permian era. There was already life on Earth at this time. At the end of the Permian there is a mass extinction event, but it is not total. Also it seems to be spread out over eighty thousand years, definitely not a sudden extinction event like an impact.

I’d be looking elsewhere other than the Siberian Traps for an impact site for a collision. The evidence isn’t there.

party_pants said:

How long ago is this supposed to have happened?

the Siberian Traps are 250 million years old. To around the time of the end of the Permian era. There was already life on Earth at this time. At the end of the Permian there is a mass extinction event, but it is not total. Also it seems to be spread out over eighty thousand years, definitely not a sudden extinction event like an impact.

I’d be looking elsewhere other than the Siberian Traps for an impact site for a collision. The evidence isn’t there.

I assume the Siberian Traps are surface remnants of the superheated materials of the initial impact with a less clean sample of what was left behind in Australia of some core materials. At this point I’m pretty well satisfied that were a sample taken of the core of Uluru it would match anything considerable as bedrock beneath the rubble at the centre of the near side face of the moon.

Like I said I can get permission for the Uluru sample(which would have to be as close to the centre as possible to satisfy contamination exclusion requirements), but I don’t expect to receive satisfaction with a moon bedrock sample any time immediately convenient.

A good deal of lighter materials will have been mixed in with the initial impact which will have contributed to the way the traps have settled.

Can’t say I’m unhappy at the prospect of providing the locals with supporting evidence that Uluru is a significant part of the Dreamtime since having a moon allows us to sleep at night. And yes I obviously now believe that Uluru is the last piece of the Earth that was touching the moon before it left us.

What sort of gibberish is this?

What’s Ularu got to do with Siberian Traps got to do with impact events. They are and couple hundred million years apart in age for starters. Then, Uluru is composed of sedimentary rock, which is the classic slow and gradual geological process, the exact opposite of what happens in an impact event.

That’s just for starters.

If the moon is the most significant feature of our sky(bar the sun) because of the original impact why would the most unique features of the surface of the Earth not be directly related also? Really asking me to stretch things beyond reason-ability there.

party_pants said:

What sort of gibberish is this?

What’s Ularu got to do with Siberian Traps got to do with impact events. They are and couple hundred million years apart in age for starters. Then, Uluru is composed of sedimentary rock, which is the classic slow and gradual geological process, the exact opposite of what happens in an impact event.

That’s just for starters.

You haven’t followed a single thing I have written from the beginning of this thread if you haven’t got that connection yet. The core of Theia went in one side and out the other after deflecting of our core and deforming itself into a cam-like lobe shape that contributed to it’s deflection from the core as much as the shearing of the inner core to be misaligned with the portion now known as the outer-inner core.

posty should apply for a job with incitec pivot. All he would have to do is breathe in a bag.

Win, win.

Make just a basic effort to connect the dots I’ve clearly provided.

tauto said:

posty should apply for a job with incitec pivot. All he would have to do is breathe in a bag.

Win, win.

Why would I breathe in a bag? I don’t have that sort of panic disorder……..

Postpocelipse said:

tauto said:

posty should apply for a job with incitec pivot. All he would have to do is breathe in a bag.

Win, win.

Why would I breathe in a bag? I don’t have that sort of panic disorder……..

I wouldn’t apply for a job with a bunch who are only trading for $3:30 either……..

party_pants said:

What sort of gibberish is this?

What’s Ularu got to do with Siberian Traps got to do with impact events. They are and couple hundred million years apart in age for starters. Then, Uluru is composed of sedimentary rock, which is the classic slow and gradual geological process, the exact opposite of what happens in an impact event.

That’s just for starters.

At some point I’ll get a simulation modelled so you can watch it in 3d and not force your brain to work too hard reading…….

Postpocelipse said:

party_pants said:

What sort of gibberish is this?

What’s Ularu got to do with Siberian Traps got to do with impact events. They are and couple hundred million years apart in age for starters. Then, Uluru is composed of sedimentary rock, which is the classic slow and gradual geological process, the exact opposite of what happens in an impact event.

That’s just for starters.

At some point I’ll get a simulation modelled so you can watch it in 3d and not force your brain to work too hard reading…….

I’ve already indicated that my belief is that Uluru and it’s associated “alluvial fan” is the super-heated materials that lubricated the impact of either core and allowed the moons core to punch it’s way back out and exit our little mess down here. You would have to show me the chemical analysis to prove anything else to me at this point…..

It may be one thing for the mantle materials to coalesce with the impact and absorb that respective AM. For the penetrating body of the moon’s core to then absorb the entire AM energy of the Earth’s core is patently unreasonable. The Earth’s core was still rapidly rotating when the two cores collided and this contributed significantly to the result, as I have previously described………..

If you will only cherrypick something out of the data I’ve provided connections between without addressing the manner in which it has been connected to the other factors I’ll just clean the presentation up to be as clarified as I can make it and re-post the thread to disclude unnecessary back/sidetracking.

Postpocelipse said:

party_pants said:

What sort of gibberish is this?

What’s Ularu got to do with Siberian Traps got to do with impact events. They are and couple hundred million years apart in age for starters. Then, Uluru is composed of sedimentary rock, which is the classic slow and gradual geological process, the exact opposite of what happens in an impact event.

That’s just for starters.

At some point I’ll get a simulation modelled so you can watch it in 3d and not force your brain to work too hard reading…….

Don’t take time away from writing your musical.

Otherwise you can show me a non-matching chemical comparison of Uluru core and moon-bedrock(near-side centre) and I will walk away without another word on the subject………..

AwesomeO said:

Postpocelipse said:

party_pants said:

What sort of gibberish is this?

What’s Ularu got to do with Siberian Traps got to do with impact events. They are and couple hundred million years apart in age for starters. Then, Uluru is composed of sedimentary rock, which is the classic slow and gradual geological process, the exact opposite of what happens in an impact event.

That’s just for starters.

At some point I’ll get a simulation modelled so you can watch it in 3d and not force your brain to work too hard reading…….

Don’t take time away from writing your musical.

Don’t intend to. Pretty well addressed my questions on this subject for now. There is a shedload more research to be done on the musical subject before that is anything resembling finalised so that will become my focus from tomorrow……

Most incredible about this moon thing is that a few tonnes either side of the exact mass the Theian core had and there would be no picture to throw on a table to discuss. Bloody unreasonable degree of accuracy to not tickle the superstition reflexes……….

Postpocelipse said:

Most incredible about this moon thing is that a few tonnes either side of the exact mass the Theian core had and there would be no picture to throw on a table to discuss. Bloody unreasonable degree of accuracy to not tickle the superstition reflexes……….

The point that the Earth core sheared and created a two way magnetic field to our core shows how ridiculously close it came to penetrating deep enough to coalescing with our core and probably breaking everything up into rubble. Had it been short of where it got to it would have not had the energy to keep going and create the moon either. Critical as possible in terms of accuracy.

Venus can only really be the result of a complete absorption in a similar event.

Postpocelipse said:

Venus can only really be the result of a complete absorption in a similar event.

Unless Mercury is somehow the core that punched through it but even I wouldn’t quite get that immediately presumptuous without considerably more data available.

Postpocelipse said:

party_pants said:

What sort of gibberish is this?

What’s Ularu got to do with Siberian Traps got to do with impact events. They are and couple hundred million years apart in age for starters. Then, Uluru is composed of sedimentary rock, which is the classic slow and gradual geological process, the exact opposite of what happens in an impact event.

That’s just for starters.

At some point I’ll get a simulation modelled so you can watch it in 3d and not force your brain to work too hard reading…….

Just tell us when you think this happened. How many years ago? Was it before or after life evolved on Earth?

party_pants said:

At some point I’ll get a simulation modelled so you can watch it in 3d and not force your brain to work too hard reading…….

Just tell us when you think this happened. How many years ago? Was it before or after life evolved on Earth?

Beginning 3 billion years ago with the moon impact event and now. I really don’t see why I need to be answering your questions. I’m only thinking something out on paper I’ve kept in my head for a long time. On paper I’m more convinced so none of your cynical bile derived interrogation will alter my belief. Now that I’ve put it on paper for better perspective I’m done with the subject for now. If you want to return to it and expect me to further entertain your scepticism you will have to provide me non-matching core samples as I have already referred to.

Anything else on the subject before I move on to other interests?

party_pants said:

At some point I’ll get a simulation modelled so you can watch it in 3d and not force your brain to work too hard reading…….

Just tell us when you think this happened. How many years ago? Was it before or after life evolved on Earth?

Pivotal piece of evidence based observation: My belief is that Uluru and the material of it’s associate “alluvial fan” of sandstone are the product of super-heated mantle materials that lubricated the deflection of Theia’s core from ours and allowed it to punch through the less heated materials in the path of it’s exit from the materials intervening it’s exit from the Terran impact wave debris.

It is obvious from the condition of our core that though it suffered significant damage it remained largely intact. My belief is that the Theian core also needed to remain largely intact to maintain enough momentum to divest itself of contact with Earth.

There is significant observational evidence to support these conclusions. Therefore supply core samples if you want to be taken seriously by myself on this subject………..

Getting all stompy because I’ve stated my belief is that Uluru is the last point of contact between the receding moon core and the Earth is soooooooo totally pathetic it isn’t farkin funny. Wake the fuck up to yourselves guardians of dogmatic orthodoxy………