Date: 24/05/2016 15:52:50
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 895932
Subject: Religion and the Future

Do religious people fear the future or are in some way reluctant to think about the future, because their religious concepts are from the past?

It is different to say concepts which run change with time

Maybe some non religious people are future reluctant in different ways?

Most people would be neutral and living in the present and not swaying to thinking about the past or thinking about the future

But would some people be living in the past? if they are following 1500 year old scriptures, that is they have a certain devotion/or spiritual desire to live in the past.

In some way they have this connection to the past, which must have some effect on the present and future.

I imagine in the past story telling was everywhere, then it was observed that story telling was very powerful and could be used as a tool

Religion was born out of story telling, sending messages to follow a certain way of life using text and visual imaginary to follow these norms and for reward and punishment.

and story telling today covers books, TV, games, internet, movies, music, ads, art, symbols.

Are religious people slowing down the future?

In general religious people seem to have this way of thinking with science, suspicious way of thinking, its dragged astronomy down to a slow pace in the beginning of astronomy by punishing scientists doing the research, notably Galileo Galilei and it looks like most religious people are reluctant and in denial with genetic science and human rights, in varying degrees.

Do religious people become unhappy When fictitious constructed concepts don’t match reality?

Are religious being criminal when they interfere with other peoples rights?

Why is there a reluctance to reform?

And do religious people fear the future?

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Date: 24/05/2016 15:54:56
From: Cymek
ID: 895937
Subject: re: Religion and the Future

CrazyNeutrino said:

Do religious people fear the future or are in some way reluctant to think about the future, because their religious concepts are from the past?

It is different to say concepts which run change with time

Maybe some non religious people are future reluctant in different ways?

Most people would be neutral and living in the present and not swaying to thinking about the past or thinking about the future

But would some people be living in the past? if they are following 1500 year old scriptures, that is they have a certain devotion/or spiritual desire to live in the past.

In some way they have this connection to the past, which must have some effect on the present and future.

I imagine in the past story telling was everywhere, then it was observed that story telling was very powerful and could be used as a tool

Religion was born out of story telling, sending messages to follow a certain way of life using text and visual imaginary to follow these norms and for reward and punishment.

and story telling today covers books, TV, games, internet, movies, music, ads, art, symbols.

Are religious people slowing down the future?

In general religious people seem to have this way of thinking with science, suspicious way of thinking, its dragged astronomy down to a slow pace in the beginning of astronomy by punishing scientists doing the research, notably Galileo Galilei and it looks like most religious people are reluctant and in denial with genetic science and human rights, in varying degrees.

Do religious people become unhappy When fictitious constructed concepts don’t match reality?

Are religious being criminal when they interfere with other peoples rights?

Why is there a reluctance to reform?

And do religious people fear the future?

I do wonder how some religions would accept transhumanist and life extension programs, or being uploaded in a virtual world.

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Date: 24/05/2016 15:56:39
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 895941
Subject: re: Religion and the Future

Cymek said:


CrazyNeutrino said:

Do religious people fear the future or are in some way reluctant to think about the future, because their religious concepts are from the past?

It is different to say concepts which run change with time

Maybe some non religious people are future reluctant in different ways?

Most people would be neutral and living in the present and not swaying to thinking about the past or thinking about the future

But would some people be living in the past? if they are following 1500 year old scriptures, that is they have a certain devotion/or spiritual desire to live in the past.

In some way they have this connection to the past, which must have some effect on the present and future.

I imagine in the past story telling was everywhere, then it was observed that story telling was very powerful and could be used as a tool

Religion was born out of story telling, sending messages to follow a certain way of life using text and visual imaginary to follow these norms and for reward and punishment.

and story telling today covers books, TV, games, internet, movies, music, ads, art, symbols.

Are religious people slowing down the future?

In general religious people seem to have this way of thinking with science, suspicious way of thinking, its dragged astronomy down to a slow pace in the beginning of astronomy by punishing scientists doing the research, notably Galileo Galilei and it looks like most religious people are reluctant and in denial with genetic science and human rights, in varying degrees.

Do religious people become unhappy When fictitious constructed concepts don’t match reality?

Are religious being criminal when they interfere with other peoples rights?

Why is there a reluctance to reform?

And do religious people fear the future?

I do wonder how some religions would accept transhumanist and life extension programs, or being uploaded in a virtual world.

At least it gives them a new life, so to speak.

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Date: 24/05/2016 16:05:41
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 895947
Subject: re: Religion and the Future

If you assess JC’s description of spirituality it closer resembles atheism, provided that philosophy holds fundamental universal absolutes as truth, than the Christian church which he somewhat disavowed with the observation “endless blood will be shed in my name”.

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Date: 24/05/2016 16:08:11
From: Cymek
ID: 895948
Subject: re: Religion and the Future

Postpocelipse said:


If you assess JC’s description of spirituality it closer resembles atheism, provided that philosophy holds fundamental universal absolutes as truth, than the Christian church which he somewhat disavowed with the observation “endless blood will be shed in my name”.

If a god does exist and it basically doesn’t give a crap about the human race or anything done in its name then its not worth worshipping anyway

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Date: 24/05/2016 16:13:47
From: Cymek
ID: 895955
Subject: re: Religion and the Future

Having grown up on science fiction I can’t think of much that the human race could do to itself that would upset me, besides destroying ourselves which would be a bummer. Completely changing the human form to survive different environment for example I see no problem with, augmentation the same, humans being who we are would use it for both good and evil purposes. Some religious people would call it playing god and try to stop it, we play god with any action we do to improve our lives.

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Date: 24/05/2016 16:15:41
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 895958
Subject: re: Religion and the Future

Cymek said:


Postpocelipse said:

If you assess JC’s description of spirituality it closer resembles atheism, provided that philosophy holds fundamental universal absolutes as truth, than the Christian church which he somewhat disavowed with the observation “endless blood will be shed in my name”.

If a god does exist and it basically doesn’t give a crap about the human race or anything done in its name then its not worth worshipping anyway

Respect for truth and humanity is about he all he genuinely transmitted. The rest of the question is not really one of anthropic derived principal ultimately……

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Date: 24/05/2016 16:21:33
From: Cymek
ID: 895962
Subject: re: Religion and the Future

Postpocelipse said:


Cymek said:

Postpocelipse said:

If you assess JC’s description of spirituality it closer resembles atheism, provided that philosophy holds fundamental universal absolutes as truth, than the Christian church which he somewhat disavowed with the observation “endless blood will be shed in my name”.

If a god does exist and it basically doesn’t give a crap about the human race or anything done in its name then its not worth worshipping anyway

Respect for truth and humanity is about he all he genuinely transmitted. The rest of the question is not really one of anthropic derived principal ultimately……

Well you can’t really be a reasonable human being and disagree with respect for truth and humanity

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Date: 24/05/2016 17:01:22
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 895985
Subject: re: Religion and the Future

Some all / religions seem to have a problem with accepting and validating certain information.

Most religions are in some ways, in conflict with human rights, yet will not reform themselves towards the United Nations charter of Human rights

We see religious helping the dying doing charity work, having meting places

Most messages in the bible and other texts are about sending a good message, but there are a few messages that are now in conflict with various Countries Laws as well as the UN charter, Laws concerning other peoples rights that are outside the religions constructed worlds, heaven and Hell, its about reforming messages of good and bad behavior to still have that overall message of being good but outside of any religious constructed world exists common law, the overall message of common law is well intentioned, to respect other people and they property.

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Date: 24/05/2016 20:27:47
From: wookiemeister
ID: 896152
Subject: re: Religion and the Future

the Old Testament is about killing people with “prophets” dropping acid to receive gods word

the New Testament is about being slapped in the face and liking it

religious people don’t fear the future because as afar as they know it everyone will follow God

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Date: 24/05/2016 20:29:10
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 896155
Subject: re: Religion and the Future

wookiemeister said:

the New Testament is about being slapped in the face and liking it

Just made for Frank then………

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Date: 25/05/2016 01:23:50
From: transition
ID: 896350
Subject: re: Religion and the Future

How’s that generalization religious people.

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Date: 25/05/2016 02:38:53
From: roughbarked
ID: 896352
Subject: re: Religion and the Future

transition said:


How’s that generalization religious people.

habitual people.

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Date: 26/05/2016 14:17:45
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 897099
Subject: re: Religion and the Future

Mrs m, who is heavily christian, was shocked this morning when I described Pascal’s Wager to her.

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