Date: 1/06/2016 10:30:27
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 900221
Subject: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

When I read this in HHTTG I thought Douglas Adams had gone too far. There can be no such thing as a super-intelligent shade of the colour blue. But I’ve had a rethink over the past few days, caused by reading about what plants think and uncovering an alien race in a Stephen Baxter book characterised by being a shade of blue. Consider.

Many strong-colour dyes are known as aniline dyes. These dyes are organic molecules, not too different to the organic molecules found in all living things on Earth. They contain aromatic rings, like purines and pyrimidines in RNA and DNA, and also contain nitrogen like purines and pyrimidines. Aniline dyes also contain sulphur, like proteins. They contain no atoms other than those commonly present in living things on Earth.

Let’s be more specific and consider Aniline Blue . This is a mixture of two distinct different chemicals known as “water blue” and “methyl blue”. Now let’s suppose that these are strung together, perhaps in a similar way to the way that purines and pyrimidines are strung together in RNA. The string of Aniline Blue would represent a binary code depending on the sequence of the two components in turn. It’s not too much of a stretch to consider this as an RNA-like inheritable template for constructing organisms based on this binary code. This would be a carbon-based lifeform, and therefore more likely than any non-carbon-based (eg. silicon-based) lifeform.

The ratio of the two distinct components of Aniline Blue in the genetic material would give it a very specific shade of blue, and being alive it could develop intelligence.

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Date: 1/06/2016 10:37:22
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 900223
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

mollwollfumble said:


When I read this in HHTTG

Which bit?

I don’t recall super-intelligent blue at all.

Maybe I would if I was bluer.

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Date: 1/06/2016 10:37:39
From: Cymek
ID: 900224
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

So it would be a 2 dimensional life form

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Date: 1/06/2016 10:40:04
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 900226
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

Cymek said:


So it would be a 2 dimensional life form

I don’t know that a colour has any dimensions, but if we are talking about a coloured object, it could have any number of dimensions, up to the maximum available.

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Date: 1/06/2016 10:40:19
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 900227
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

You do know that the Hindu god’s are depicted as blue don’t you? hmmmm wonder what that is about………….

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Date: 1/06/2016 10:42:32
From: Bubblecar
ID: 900228
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

>There can be no such thing as a super-intelligent shade of the colour blue.

Correct. There might be a super-intelligent thing that is blue in colour, but the colour itself is just a description of its place on the light spectrum when absorbing, reflecting or emitting light and interacting with the human eye.

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Date: 1/06/2016 10:44:03
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 900229
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

Postpocelipse said:


You do know that the Hindu god’s are depicted as blue don’t you? hmmmm wonder what that is about………….

Some other things that are blue:

Abbott’s ties
The Sky
Joni Mitchell’s (possibly) best album
White after removing the red and green

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Date: 1/06/2016 10:48:07
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 900230
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

Bubblecar said:


>There can be no such thing as a super-intelligent shade of the colour blue.

Correct. There might be a super-intelligent thing that is blue in colour, but the colour itself is just a description of its place on the light spectrum when absorbing, reflecting or emitting light and interacting with the human eye.

More blue things:
The crab in Bubblecar.
True Australians.

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Date: 1/06/2016 10:49:21
From: Cymek
ID: 900231
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

The Rev Dodgson said:


Cymek said:

So it would be a 2 dimensional life form

I don’t know that a colour has any dimensions, but if we are talking about a coloured object, it could have any number of dimensions, up to the maximum available.

I was thinking it was like paint or slime

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Date: 1/06/2016 10:51:58
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 900234
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

Wikipedia knows all things:

Hooloovoo

A Hooloovoo is a hyper-intelligent shade of the colour of blue.

Little is known of them, except that one participated in the construction of the starship Heart of Gold. At the launching ceremony one was temporarily refracted into a free-standing prism. This is probably analogous to the ceremonial multicoloured lab coats worn by the rest of the team.

One of their race is pointed out by The Doctor in the 2013 Doctor Who episode “The Rings of Akhaten”.

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Date: 1/06/2016 10:54:48
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 900239
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

The Rev Dodgson said:


Postpocelipse said:

You do know that the Hindu god’s are depicted as blue don’t you? hmmmm wonder what that is about………….

Some other things that are blue:

Abbott’s ties
The Sky
Joni Mitchell’s (possibly) best album
White after removing the red and green

The term “Blue Blood” is millennia older than any of those. Hmmmm,, wonder who The Sea Peoples were hooked up with……..

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Date: 1/06/2016 10:55:52
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 900240
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

Postpocelipse said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Postpocelipse said:

You do know that the Hindu god’s are depicted as blue don’t you? hmmmm wonder what that is about………….

Some other things that are blue:

Abbott’s ties
The Sky
Joni Mitchell’s (possibly) best album
White after removing the red and green

The term “Blue Blood” is millennia older than any of those. Hmmmm,, wonder who The Sea Peoples were hooked up with……..

…… and then there is Megamind remember!

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Date: 1/06/2016 11:08:44
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 900259
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

Postpocelipse said:


Postpocelipse said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Some other things that are blue:

Abbott’s ties
The Sky
Joni Mitchell’s (possibly) best album
White after removing the red and green

The term “Blue Blood” is millennia older than any of those. Hmmmm,, wonder who The Sea Peoples were hooked up with……..

At least 6000 years older. That being the surmised age of the world from biblical reference and other historical references from then till 4000 years ago
I would have thought there would be a little more interest in the actual events of that period.

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Date: 1/06/2016 11:18:06
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 900263
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

Postpocelipse said:


Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Some other things that are blue:

Abbott’s ties
The Sky
Joni Mitchell’s (possibly) best album
White after removing the red and green

The term “Blue Blood” is millennia older than any of those. Hmmmm,, wonder who The Sea Peoples were hooked up with……..

At least 6000 years older. That being the surmised age of the world from biblical reference and other historical references from then till 4000 years ago
I would have thought there would be a little more interest in the actual events of that period.

I referred to the middle easterners learning to count backwards. If you look at Ghenghis’s reference to the ‘lesson of many arrows’, JC’s quote ‘united we stand divided we fall’ and confer that philosophy as being typical of the goat herding tribes Ghandas gathered to conquer the Amorite the evidence of India’s influence on The Sea Peoples that were originally allied with Ghandas and whose blood led to the Greeks is well established.

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Date: 1/06/2016 12:46:43
From: transition
ID: 900326
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

lookin’ for a simple
a starter for abiogenesis
i’ll think here a little
about this blue business

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Date: 1/06/2016 13:30:59
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 900338
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

The Rev Dodgson said:


mollwollfumble said:

When I read this in HHGTTG

Which bit? I don’t recall super-intelligent blue at all. Maybe I would if I was bluer.

Was present at the theft of the Heart of Gold by Zaphod, or the building of the Heart of Gold. (My copy of HHGTTG is missing from the shelf so I don’t have the full quote).

It showed its disapproval by turning purple, this could be a reference to the Aniline dye Mauveine
Mauveine is a mix of four very similar but slightly different molecules, Mauveine A, B, B2 and C, though other similar molecules exist. The similarity to the four bases A, C, G, T may not be accidental. I also note that each Mauveine molecule has an amino group, just like an amino acid.

> You do know that the Hindu god’s are depicted as blue don’t you? hmmmm wonder what that is about………….

Didn’t know that. Checks web … “Why are certain Hindu Gods and Goddesses blue? Krishna, Siva, Vishnu” Lots of different answers, but none authoritative.

> More blue things: The crab in Bubblecar. True Australians.

-arsed flies?

transition said:


lookin’ for a simple
a starter for abiogenesis
i’ll think here a little
about this blue business

Good :-)

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Date: 1/06/2016 13:34:03
From: Ian
ID: 900339
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

When I read this in HHTTG I thought Douglas Adams had gone too far. There can be no such thing as a super-intelligent shade of the colour blue.

————-

Adams stated many self evident truths:

And plenty of stuff that was wildly fantastical:


..acshaly that last one is true.. they both used to hang with me.. Zarniwoop was also my cat :)

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Date: 1/06/2016 13:53:36
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 900343
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

Another blue organic chemical is the polyaniline Emeraldine .

Like Aniline Blue this has two separate states. But whereas each Aniline Blue molecule is a monomer, Emeraldine is a polymer. It has two alternative subunits that could be used to binary-code enormous amounts of information. The subunits in Emeraldine are linked together through a nitrogen atom; the subunits in proteins are also linked together through a nitrogen atom.

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Date: 1/06/2016 14:18:37
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 900348
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

mollwollfumble said:

> You do know that the Hindu god’s are depicted as blue don’t you? hmmmm wonder what that is about………….

Didn’t know that. Checks web … “Why are certain Hindu Gods and Goddesses blue? Krishna, Siva, Vishnu” Lots of different answers, but none authoritative.

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The best explanation I have got from hindu types is that deities of their records have been born darker of skin than even the southern Indian hue. This associated with developing deific signs such as a strong heart organ and a fairly long list of other identifying features.

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Date: 1/06/2016 14:20:33
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 900350
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

this link lists identifying features of Indian deity

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Date: 1/06/2016 14:35:51
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 900356
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

Ian said:


And plenty of stuff that was wildly fantastical:

  • The evolution of the Babel Fish

Technology will provide – New in-ear device could be the beginning of a world without language barriers

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Date: 1/06/2016 15:12:40
From: transition
ID: 900365
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

completely unrelated probably, but years back I had a thinky ‘bout abiogenesis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanobacteria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_sulfur_bacteria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phycobilisome

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Date: 1/06/2016 23:23:27
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 901050
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

transition said:


completely unrelated probably, but years back I had a thinky ‘bout abiogenesis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanobacteria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_sulfur_bacteria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phycobilisome


Noted. Was it 1972 or 1976 when a modified Miller-Urey produced bilayer wall structures the size of bacteria.

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Date: 19/06/2016 11:01:32
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 909933
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

Just read that type O blood is connected to high functioning/organised persons and is thought to originate from hunters. A possible connection to herders.migratory peoples?

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Date: 19/06/2016 12:24:07
From: transition
ID: 909947
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

this’s what corporate blue does, it sneaks into your head’n you start wondering if all life originated from it.

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Date: 19/06/2016 21:13:12
From: wookiemeister
ID: 910148
Subject: re: Super-intelligent shade of the colour blue

smurfs

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