Rather than having distinguishably modern features(and I say that loosely) the Egyptian and Babylonian societies started out with record keeping traditions of questionable worth as public reference for the pooling of knowledge of socially global worth.

With the exploits of Temujin Borjigin being the best contemporary reference for the word of mouth lineages represented by Ghandhas 4000 years ago it is reasonable to conclude that this tradition of the oriental plains peoples was at least influenced by the Brahmic traditions that preceded them by 2000 years.

The Borjigin family had been strongly tied with the Mongol Confederacy, a similar council as will have been present for Ghandas to dominate, before Temujin’s intercedence in history. His method of diplomacy with first the eastern Chinese and then the Muslim population of his time indicates a significant awareness of the histories of both his and their cultures.

As the Greeks forum tradition reflects that of the tent traditions of the oriental plainsmen in it’s democracy and respect for ancestral tales it can be fairly concluded that the more effective method of record keeping originated with oriental style public debate rather than the African continents efforts alongside that of the now Semitic peoples.

Although I began this research out of interest in the origins of the Minoan peoples and their possible connections with the south, what I have found leaves me with a more educated comprehension of the origins of modern politics and questions that follow in this regard.

How much does western capitalism and it’s political marketing counterpart reflect the less effective Afro-Arab origins of government management?

How much advantage does eastern(Indo-Communist) capitalism have over the Euro-US version in the coming years?

Can the current oriental capitalism be used to eliminate the violence of the inter-religious factions that revolve around the Mediterranean and mid-east with only economic strategy?

Postpocelipse said:

How much does western capitalism and it’s political marketing counterpart reflect the less effective Afro-Arab origins of government management?

How much advantage does eastern(Indo-Communist) capitalism have over the Euro-US version in the coming years?

Can the current oriental capitalism be used to eliminate the violence of the inter-religious factions that revolve around the Mediterranean and mid-east with only economic strategy?

Maybe by turning the Gobi into an artificial underground resoirvior?

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

How much does western capitalism and it’s political marketing counterpart reflect the less effective Afro-Arab origins of government management?

How much advantage does eastern(Indo-Communist) capitalism have over the Euro-US version in the coming years?

Can the current oriental capitalism be used to eliminate the violence of the inter-religious factions that revolve around the Mediterranean and mid-east with only economic strategy?

Maybe by turning the Gobi into an artificial underground resoirvior?

That would kind of make up for Temujin’s little goof up with Western Xia………..

Postpocelipse said:

Maybe by turning the Gobi into an artificial underground resoirvior?

If they are going to do something with Tibet there is plenty of energy in diverting Himalayan water downhill to the Gobi.

Postpocelipse said:

Can the current oriental capitalism be used to eliminate the violence of the inter-religious factions and fanatacism that revolve around the Mediterranean and mid-east with only economic strategy?

fix Ed…

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Can the current oriental capitalism be used to eliminate the violence of the inter-religious factions and fanatacism that revolve around the Mediterranean and mid-east with only economic strategy?

fix Ed…

It isn’t going to get any better with global warming…….

Postpocelipse said:

Can the current oriental capitalism be used to eliminate the violence of the inter-religious factions and fanatacism that revolve around the Mediterranean and mid-east with only economic strategy?

No. This violence has continued unabated since before recorded history.

mollwollfumble said:

Postpocelipse said:

Can the current oriental capitalism be used to eliminate the violence of the inter-religious factions and fanatacism that revolve around the Mediterranean and mid-east with only economic strategy?

No. This violence has continued unabated since before recorded history.

In fact it is probably why history began to be recorded in the first place.

mollwollfumble said:

Postpocelipse said:

Can the current oriental capitalism be used to eliminate the violence of the inter-religious factions and fanatacism that revolve around the Mediterranean and mid-east with only economic strategy?

No. This violence has continued unabated since before recorded history.

I haven’t done the numbers, but if we calculated violent deaths per head of population over say the last 3,000 years, it’s quite likely that both the Far East and Northern Europe would be well ahead of the Mediterranean and the Middle East.

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Postpocelipse said:

Can the current oriental capitalism be used to eliminate the violence of the inter-religious factions and fanatacism that revolve around the Mediterranean and mid-east with only economic strategy?

No. This violence has continued unabated since before recorded history.

In fact it is probably why history began to be recorded in the first place.

One even wonders if the human race in it’s current form is even capable of the hard work, sacrifice and compromise needed to achieve world wide peace.

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

No. This violence has continued unabated since before recorded history.

In fact it is probably why history began to be recorded in the first place.

One even wonders if the human race in it’s current form is even capable of the hard work, sacrifice and compromise needed to achieve world wide peace.

It isn’t. Religion prevents it.

Interesting example of word of mouth tradition was Aboriginals and rising sea levels, I saw it on a documentary on the tv, but I think this link is the same

http://theconversation.com/ancient-aboriginal-stories-preserve-history-of-a-rise-in-sea-level-36010

Cymek said:

Interesting example of word of mouth tradition was Aboriginals and rising sea levels, I saw it on a documentary on the tv, but I think this link is the same

http://theconversation.com/ancient-aboriginal-stories-preserve-history-of-a-rise-in-sea-level-36010

These sealevel changes would have been so slow that there would be little differences in the lives of people. However, I have no doubt that stories existed that once that island was connected to the mainland, etc., although individual experiences would unlikely be of much note.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

Interesting example of word of mouth tradition was Aboriginals and rising sea levels, I saw it on a documentary on the tv, but I think this link is the same

http://theconversation.com/ancient-aboriginal-stories-preserve-history-of-a-rise-in-sea-level-36010

These sealevel changes would have been so slow that there would be little differences in the lives of people. However, I have no doubt that stories existed that once that island was connected to the mainland, etc., although individual experiences would unlikely be of much note.

It may have been a different event as this was something that happened quite quickly as in a day or a few days, I can’t remember exactly what it was but it was significant enough it was passed down to modern times and geological evidence confirmed it happening.

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

Interesting example of word of mouth tradition was Aboriginals and rising sea levels, I saw it on a documentary on the tv, but I think this link is the same

http://theconversation.com/ancient-aboriginal-stories-preserve-history-of-a-rise-in-sea-level-36010

These sealevel changes would have been so slow that there would be little differences in the lives of people. However, I have no doubt that stories existed that once that island was connected to the mainland, etc., although individual experiences would unlikely be of much note.

It may have been a different event as this was something that happened quite quickly as in a day or a few days, I can’t remember exactly what it was but it was significant enough it was passed down to modern times and geological evidence confirmed it happening.

The only way I can see something like that happening so quickly, is if a barrier gives way and the incoming water fills a basin, from which the sea-level has built up over some time and probably aided by storms.

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Postpocelipse said:

Can the current oriental capitalism be used to eliminate the violence of the inter-religious factions and fanatacism that revolve around the Mediterranean and mid-east with only economic strategy?

No. This violence has continued unabated since before recorded history.

In fact it is probably why history began to be recorded in the first place.

Entirely, but there were two methods of record. Written records are a product of agriculturally based peoples. They displayed a distinctly left brained thought process and I believe it is this that made them vulnerable to the herding tribes when they became militant. For instance, the records of Rameses I would not have left his people wiser considering the enthusiasm he employed in fabricating and embellishing.

Word of mouth tradition is a much older tradition that herders have shown the advantage of through history. Retaining ancestral information functionally or sagas like The Iliad, as was normal among migratory peoples, requires significant right brain development and coordination.