Floods in Brisbane, Tweed, Lismore, Sydney, Illawarra, and as far south as the NSW/Vic border. And in Launceston, Paris and Germany (Bavaria).
Where else?
The following flood photo is from Germany.
mollwollfumble said:
Where else?
Texas and Louisiana
I think I might have caught David Suzuki pointing out that major cities are built on flood plains , they know these places flood from soil deposits . we just built our cities in the wrong place in the wrong way
wookiemeister said:
I think I might have caught David Suzuki pointing out that major cities are built on flood plains , they know these places flood from soil deposits . we just built our cities in the wrong place in the wrong way
Well they weren’t a city originally. Just some houses close to a river for food, transportation and water. Most villages were started near fords or places where people could cross.
AwesomeO said:
wookiemeister said:
I think I might have caught David Suzuki pointing out that major cities are built on flood plains , they know these places flood from soil deposits . we just built our cities in the wrong place in the wrong way
Well they weren’t a city originally. Just some houses close to a river for food, transportation and water. Most villages were started near fords or places where people could cross.
Rome was built on a river between the spheres of influence
the Greeks held southern Italy , the Etruscans north of Rome to Marseille I think
rivers are often demarcation points between rival tribes
the Jordan river for example because they form a natural defence
I caught something recently that suggests that having all that water helped but also hindered the Romans , spread diseases because it wasn’t sterile
I wonder if they would have gone further if they had created soap and hot water ( to kill bacteria / virus / parasites in the water )?
the ancient Egyptians would have certainly benefitted from soap and sterile water
wookiemeister said:
I caught something recently that suggests that having all that water helped but also hindered the Romans , spread diseases because it wasn’t sterileI wonder if they would have gone further if they had created soap and hot water ( to kill bacteria / virus / parasites in the water )?
the ancient Egyptians would have certainly benefitted from soap and sterile water
It would be interesting to know the pre-penicillin death-rates for urban and rural communities from water-borne diseases.
dv said:
mollwollfumble said:Where else?
Texas and Louisiana
“In late May and early June 2016 flooding began after several days of heavy rain in Europe, mostly Germany and France, but also Austria, Belgium, Romania, and Moldova. Among others, the German states of Bavaria, Hesse, Rhineland-Palatinate, Baden-Württemberg, and North Rhine-Westfalia were affected. There was also severe flooding in France. Beginning at the river Neckar, also the Danube, Rhine, Seine and their tributaries were affected by high water and flooding along their banks. At least 18 people have died to date.”
June 2016 floods in USA, Mexico, Russia, China, France, Germany, Belgium, Ukraine, Romania . With photos from each. (and this is a website that considers the Australian floods to be too minor to mention.)
At least 16 dead from floods in Texas this week, 9 of them in the Texas town of Fort Hood. “Texas has also been carved up by more than half a dozen tornadoes over the past week. Nine other deaths across the state have been blamed on the tumultuous weather.”
“Torrential rains have spread to southern Louisiana, leaving parts of that state and Mississippi under a flash flood watch through Sunday morning. Heavy rains could strike the Florida panhandle early next week.”
China
Looks like the worst of the China floods were last month. Between 4 and 11 May 2016, 95,000 people had been evacuated and over 5,200 houses have collapsed or been totally destroyed, 74,000 homes partially or severely damaged, and 66 confirmed dead. It affected the southern provinces of Zhejiang, Fujian, Jiangxi, Hubei, Hunan, Guangxi, Chongqing, Sichuan, Guizhou and Yunnan. More than half the confirmed deaths were from an associated landslide.
Including Guangzhou city.
African floods from May.
“23 MAY, 2016. Somalia. Thousands have been displaced in central and southern Somalia after the Shabelle River broke its banks”
“18 MAY, 2016. Rwanda. 6,000 Families Still Displaced After Floods and Landslides”
“13 MAY, 2016. Ethiopia. Ethiopian Communication Affairs Minister confirmed that as many as 100 people have been killed by recent floods and landslides in Oromia and Southern Nations. 20,000 families have been displaced.”
“2 MAY, 2016. Kenya. Further heavy rainfall has been observed in various parts of the country over the last 48 hours. The country has already experienced severe flooding. 16 dead and 74 missing in a resulting building collapse in Nairobi. Thousands displaced.”
“9 May, 2016. South Africa. Heavy flooding with deaths in Durban. Thousands displaced.”
Also flooding in Haiti (3,000 houses damaged) and Brazil.
wouldn’t there be floods around the world all the time ?
wookiemeister said:
wouldn’t there be floods around the world all the time ?
Sure. It’s a big world.
wookiemeister said:
wouldn’t there be floods around the world all the time ?
Heaviest rain at about 10 pm was near Bateman’s Bay
Heaviest rain at 4 am is still near Bateman’s Bay.
So there could be some flooding near there.
The BOM is reporting flooding at Nowra, Queanbeyan and Bombala at 4 am.
Tasmania is also getting wet at 4 am.
The BOM is reporting flooding in Tas at Launceston, Deloraine and Fingal.
For river flooding updates see the map at http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/flood/index.shtml
No rain in Melb.
Add to those places mentioned above:
Picton, Bowral, Canberra, and Wynyard in Tasmania.
What can be do to stop flooding of towns like this from ever happening again?
mollwollfumble said:
Add to those places mentioned above:
Picton, Bowral, Canberra, and Wynyard in Tasmania.What can be do to stop flooding of towns like this from ever happening again?
Mitigation before litigation…….
mollwollfumble said:
Add to those places mentioned above:
Picton, Bowral, Canberra, and Wynyard in Tasmania.What can be do to stop flooding of towns like this from ever happening again?
Much of Latrobe has been evacuated.
mollwollfumble said:
Add to those places mentioned above:
Picton, Bowral, Canberra, and Wynyard in Tasmania.What can be do to stop flooding of towns like this from ever happening again?
In America some floods, river and tidal have been attributed to getting rid of mangroves, marshes, and straightening rivers.
mollwollfumble said:
Add to those places mentioned above:
Picton, Bowral, Canberra, and Wynyard in Tasmania.What can be do to stop flooding of towns like this from ever happening again?
We’re a land of drought and flooding rains.
Always have been, always will be.
When an afternoon thunder storm blew uncle Arthur’s fence down everyone mucked in and helped put it back up.
How much, if any, of this rainfall is flowing westwards to help the Murray-Darling?
AwesomeO said:
mollwollfumble said:
Add to those places mentioned above:
Picton, Bowral, Canberra, and Wynyard in Tasmania.What can be do to stop flooding of towns like this from ever happening again?
In America some floods, river and tidal have been attributed to getting rid of mangroves, marshes, and straightening rivers.
Levees still seem the best simple option, so long as they aren’t overdone (overdoing rivers makes flood levels higher). Dams are great for holding back floodwaters from minor to moderate flooding. Mobile flood barriers that could be erected in a few hours would be help for places like Lismore and Launceston, and possibly hundreds of other Australian towns. Major highways need protection – in fact the definition of “moderate” flooding is that it cuts major highways. What about the construction of retarding basins?
I’m really concerned about the future flooding of Shanghai. It’s only about two metres above sea level right next to a major river. The whole of eastern China is at severe risk, because it’s all very flat with large rivers snaking through.
roughbarked said:
oops.
Well I picked up 64 mm over this rainy spell and I had only a few inches in a puddle out front. Sure it stayed longer than a day but it wasn’t a flood. Why?
There is a tar road out front but there is no curbing and guttering and most of the water gets drunk by my trees before it gets to run away anywhere. I don’t have a concrete driveway and I do have hundreds and hundreds of trees over the full catchment that would otherwise land where my house is.I am just starting to understand how much rain this storm system has poured onto eastern oz
Say 1000 km long by 50 km wide by average 200 ml drop. Then it must be at least 10 trillion litres that have fallen on us.
tauto said:
I am just starting to understand how much rain this storm system has poured onto eastern ozSay 1000 km long by 50 km wide by average 200 ml drop. Then it must be at least 10 trillion litres that have fallen on us.
It is a lot of water. problem being that most of it fell where it runs straight back to the ocean.
Old fashioned flood gates, a type known as stop logs.
Installed in Launceston before the flood peak. Now recently removed as the flood has peaked, but may be reinstalled if the flood level increases again.
mollwollfumble said:
Old fashioned flood gates, a type known as stop logs.
Installed in Launceston before the flood peak. Now recently removed as the flood has peaked, but may be reinstalled if the flood level increases again.
there’s a couple of videos on the examiner newspaper’s fb of them going in yesterday.
a couple of years ago they did a practice drill of getting them in.. the gates were missing and eventually found in one of my customer’s back yard, lol.
Last year they conducted tests of the flood siren that I could hear from where I was in summerhill
stumpy_seahorse said:
mollwollfumble said:
Old fashioned flood gates, a type known as stop logs.
Installed in Launceston before the flood peak. Now recently removed as the flood has peaked, but may be reinstalled if the flood level increases again.
there’s a couple of videos on the examiner newspaper’s fb of them going in yesterday.
a couple of years ago they did a practice drill of getting them in.. the gates were missing and eventually found in one of my customer’s back yard, lol.
Last year they conducted tests of the flood siren that I could hear from where I was in summerhill
Do they have specific sets for each road so they fit exactly
Cymek said:
stumpy_seahorse said:
mollwollfumble said:
Old fashioned flood gates, a type known as stop logs.
Installed in Launceston before the flood peak. Now recently removed as the flood has peaked, but may be reinstalled if the flood level increases again.
there’s a couple of videos on the examiner newspaper’s fb of them going in yesterday.
a couple of years ago they did a practice drill of getting them in.. the gates were missing and eventually found in one of my customer’s back yard, lol.
Last year they conducted tests of the flood siren that I could hear from where I was in summerhill
Do they have specific sets for each road so they fit exactly
from memory, each set is the same except for the central pieces which is specific to each road
A good summary of the sequence of floods from a start in Emerald and Clermont in central Queensland down to Tasmania is here.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-06/east-coast-storm-mapped/7481572
Good link, moll. How did a system originating in central Qld garner so much moisture to begin with?