Why does the Christian church oppose suicide? Jesus did it, he knew if he went to Jerusalem he would be killed, but went anyway.

bob(from black rock) said:

Why does the Christian church oppose suicide? Jesus did it, he knew if he went to Jerusalem he would be killed, but went anyway.

Yes but he had a prepaid reinstall agreement that ensured he’d be brought back to life again.

You can call God on 663 66379984 #8 and see if you are eligible for reversible suicide. Please have your account details on hand.

Go along to your local Mosque and have a talk with the Mufti.
They may even give you a big belt.

Peak Warming Man said:

Go along to your local Mosque and have a talk with the Mufti.
They may even give you a big belt.

Doctor Mustafah, I feel suicidal.
Very good. Can you drive a truck.

bob(from black rock) said:

Why does the Christian church oppose suicide? Jesus did it, he knew if he went to Jerusalem he would be killed, but went anyway.

Bob, I can book you in with a Christian minister (or three) to talk about that if you like. I bet they get asked that question very often.

mollwollfumble said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Why does the Christian church oppose suicide? Jesus did it, he knew if he went to Jerusalem he would be killed, but went anyway.

Bob, I can book you in with a Christian minister (or three) to talk about that if you like. I bet they get asked that question very often.

Jesus did it because it was God’s will. If ordinary people do it they are usurping God’s authority.

knowing you are walking into a fatal situation and committing suicide are two different things

it’s pretty clear cut in the bible… Jesus was executed.

diddly-squat said:

knowing you are walking into a fatal situation and committing suicide are two different things

True. That’s how VCs are earned.

I would say that because one of the commandments is thou shall not kill ( presumably yourself or others , animals are OK to kill even with a sledgehammer).

technically Jesus was killed , he didn’t kill himself

Socrates killed himself with hemlock , that was suicide because he committed the act himself with little duress ( he could have left Athens for example )

as for Jesus coming back , unlikely to prove your reanimate on demands stuff like proof and more than a handful of witnesses

suicide was a crime for a really long time

from wiki

Before the Suicide Act 1961, it was a crime to commit suicide, and anyone who attempted and failed could be prosecuted and imprisoned, while the families of those who succeeded could also potentially be prosecuted. In part, that criminalization reflected religious and moral objections to suicide as self-murder.

wookiemeister said:

I would say that because one of the commandments is thou shall not kill ( presumably yourself or others , animals are OK to kill even with a sledgehammer).

technically Jesus was killed , he didn’t kill himself

Socrates killed himself with hemlock , that was suicide because he committed the act himself with little duress ( he could have left Athens for example )

as for Jesus coming back , unlikely to prove your reanimate on demands stuff like proof and more than a handful of witnesses

Would love to open that tomb in India they guard just out of curiosity. Probably just find a dead cat in there…….

Arts said:

suicide was a crime for a really long time

from wiki

Before the Suicide Act 1961, it was a crime to commit suicide, and anyone who attempted and failed could be prosecuted and imprisoned, while the families of those who succeeded could also potentially be prosecuted. In part, that criminalization reflected religious and moral objections to suicide as self-murder.

Yes, in Sam Pepys diary on of his cousins topped himself and his wife went to Sam to argue the case that it was accidental.
Sam reluctantly did so.
If he was found to have committed suicide the state took all his possessions.
Something like that.

Arts said:

suicide was a crime for a really long time

from wiki

Before the Suicide Act 1961, it was a crime to commit suicide, and anyone who attempted and failed could be prosecuted and imprisoned, while the families of those who succeeded could also potentially be prosecuted. In part, that criminalization reflected religious and moral objections to suicide as self-murder.

A few days after my younger sister killed herself I was sitting in the Canadian neighbour’s home getting some support TLC and suitcases, when the Christian neighbour came in. She said nothing to me in the way of condolences. After she left I asked the Canadian if the Christian knew. She apologised and said that she did know and she could only think that suicide went against her beliefs, so she didn’t say anything to me. I was in a bit of a fog at the time, so I just accepted it, but I did get quite pissed off later. We were all fairly friendly in that area…..but, yeah :(

kii said:

Arts said:

suicide was a crime for a really long time

from wiki

Before the Suicide Act 1961, it was a crime to commit suicide, and anyone who attempted and failed could be prosecuted and imprisoned, while the families of those who succeeded could also potentially be prosecuted. In part, that criminalization reflected religious and moral objections to suicide as self-murder.

A few days after my younger sister killed herself I was sitting in the Canadian neighbour’s home getting some support TLC and suitcases, when the Christian neighbour came in. She said nothing to me in the way of condolences. After she left I asked the Canadian if the Christian knew. She apologised and said that she did know and she could only think that suicide went against her beliefs, so she didn’t say anything to me. I was in a bit of a fog at the time, so I just accepted it, but I did get quite pissed off later. We were all fairly friendly in that area…..but, yeah :(

Weird.

kii said:

Arts said:

suicide was a crime for a really long time

from wiki

Before the Suicide Act 1961, it was a crime to commit suicide, and anyone who attempted and failed could be prosecuted and imprisoned, while the families of those who succeeded could also potentially be prosecuted. In part, that criminalization reflected religious and moral objections to suicide as self-murder.

A few days after my younger sister killed herself I was sitting in the Canadian neighbour’s home getting some support TLC and suitcases, when the Christian neighbour came in. She said nothing to me in the way of condolences. After she left I asked the Canadian if the Christian knew. She apologised and said that she did know and she could only think that suicide went against her beliefs, so she didn’t say anything to me. I was in a bit of a fog at the time, so I just accepted it, but I did get quite pissed off later. We were all fairly friendly in that area…..but, yeah :(

as I have pointed out in hreads like his one before, the reason we don’t endorse suicide in general is because most people who attempt and fail (about 80%) never try again..

that wasn’t supposed to be quoted…

Arts said:

kii said:

Arts said:

suicide was a crime for a really long time

from wiki

Before the Suicide Act 1961, it was a crime to commit suicide, and anyone who attempted and failed could be prosecuted and imprisoned, while the families of those who succeeded could also potentially be prosecuted. In part, that criminalization reflected religious and moral objections to suicide as self-murder.

A few days after my younger sister killed herself I was sitting in the Canadian neighbour’s home getting some support TLC and suitcases, when the Christian neighbour came in. She said nothing to me in the way of condolences. After she left I asked the Canadian if the Christian knew. She apologised and said that she did know and she could only think that suicide went against her beliefs, so she didn’t say anything to me. I was in a bit of a fog at the time, so I just accepted it, but I did get quite pissed off later. We were all fairly friendly in that area…..but, yeah :(

as I have pointed out in hreads like his one before, the reason we don’t endorse suicide in general is because most people who attempt and fail (about 80%) never try again..

are their confirming studies on this?
(was told by a medical professional last week the opposite is true)

It’s a bit sad though that bob is so preoccupied with death.

stumpy_seahorse said:

Arts said:

kii said:

A few days after my younger sister killed herself I was sitting in the Canadian neighbour’s home getting some support TLC and suitcases, when the Christian neighbour came in. She said nothing to me in the way of condolences. After she left I asked the Canadian if the Christian knew. She apologised and said that she did know and she could only think that suicide went against her beliefs, so she didn’t say anything to me. I was in a bit of a fog at the time, so I just accepted it, but I did get quite pissed off later. We were all fairly friendly in that area…..but, yeah :(

as I have pointed out in hreads like his one before, the reason we don’t endorse suicide in general is because most people who attempt and fail (about 80%) never try again..

are their confirming studies on this?
(was told by a medical professional last week the opposite is true)

yes there were… I posted them in another thread of this kind… it was a reputable study not just put on someones blog or a suicide support group. It focused on suicide attempts by people who did not plan them. That is those who had no preconceived ideas or thoughts on suicide and did not ‘get their affairs in order’ I suspect that for the planners (ie affected by long term mental illness) the stats may vary, and that the social conscious that we ‘don’t need to worry about the failed attempters anymore’ would be devastating to post attempt support groups.

Arts said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

Arts said:

as I have pointed out in hreads like his one before, the reason we don’t endorse suicide in general is because most people who attempt and fail (about 80%) never try again..

are their confirming studies on this?
(was told by a medical professional last week the opposite is true)

yes there were… I posted them in another thread of this kind… it was a reputable study not just put on someones blog or a suicide support group. It focused on suicide attempts by people who did not plan them. That is those who had no preconceived ideas or thoughts on suicide and did not ‘get their affairs in order’ I suspect that for the planners (ie affected by long term mental illness) the stats may vary, and that the social conscious that we ‘don’t need to worry about the failed attempters anymore’ would be devastating to post attempt support groups.

ah, ok.
this was a medico training nurses.
said something like:
“people will commit suicide, it happens. If you prevent a suicide, you saved them this time. more often than not they will eventually succeed”

stumpy_seahorse said:

Arts said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

are their confirming studies on this?
(was told by a medical professional last week the opposite is true)

yes there were… I posted them in another thread of this kind… it was a reputable study not just put on someones blog or a suicide support group. It focused on suicide attempts by people who did not plan them. That is those who had no preconceived ideas or thoughts on suicide and did not ‘get their affairs in order’ I suspect that for the planners (ie affected by long term mental illness) the stats may vary, and that the social conscious that we ‘don’t need to worry about the failed attempters anymore’ would be devastating to post attempt support groups.

ah, ok.
this was a medico training nurses.
said something like:
“people will commit suicide, it happens. If you prevent a suicide, you saved them this time. more often than not they will eventually succeed”

Not all depression is clinical and therefore situational forms of depression may resolve once the event that was the catalyst passes by so does the depressive moods.

While 1 in 5 people may experience mental illness not all forms of mental illness are part of the person’s life indefinitely.

Therefore helping a person into recovery is vital I. Recovery helps with overall wellness because proof of better times reinforces this truth of the possibilities if mood instability returns.

Peak Warming Man said:

Go along to your local Mosque and have a talk with the Mufti.
They may even give you a big belt.

a car and a Koran