Language and Religion developed simultaneously

vis-a-vi “The Word”……….

Postpocelipse said:

Language and Religion developed simultaneously

vis-a-vi “The Word”……….

I suppose the nutters had a way to vocalise the voices in their head

Cymek said:

Postpocelipse said:

Language and Religion developed simultaneously

vis-a-vi “The Word”……….

I suppose the nutters had a way to vocalise the voices in their head

Through story telling which would have evolved around the same time.

Cymek said:

Postpocelipse said:

Language and Religion developed simultaneously

vis-a-vi “The Word”……….

I suppose the nutters had a way to vocalise the voices in their head

Not at all. Impressions of forces with mechanism beyond the immediate senses becomes a powerful communication when a person can illustrate and describe such things to others. Accuracy of language interpretation is at the heart of religious awe and worship while proliferation of fantastical dogma develops cult-like zealousness and fervour.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Cymek said:

Postpocelipse said:

Language and Religion developed simultaneously

vis-a-vi “The Word”……….

I suppose the nutters had a way to vocalise the voices in their head

Through story telling which would have evolved around the same time.

Pictures > Language > Storytelling > Religion

CrazyNeutrino said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Cymek said:

I suppose the nutters had a way to vocalise the voices in their head

Through story telling which would have evolved around the same time.

Pictures > Language > Storytelling > Religion

Functional description of any sort contributes to communal success. The assumption that our predecessors were nutjobs is not a meaningful insight into our origins.

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Through story telling which would have evolved around the same time.

Pictures > Language > Storytelling > Religion

Functional description of any sort contributes to communal success. The assumption that our predecessors were nutjobs is not a meaningful insight into our origins.

Not all but how is it that some people who hear “god” in their head are called prophets and others are just mentally ill. Perhaps it’s all about how smart those prophets are to think how can I manipulate the masses with my “gift”

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Through story telling which would have evolved around the same time.

Pictures > Language > Storytelling > Religion

Functional description of any sort contributes to communal success. The assumption that our predecessors were nutjobs is not a meaningful insight into our origins.

There were intellectuals and nutcases and everyone between, unfortunately some of the smarter nutcases knew about the power of storytelling and used it to their advantage.

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Through story telling which would have evolved around the same time.

Pictures > Language > Storytelling > Religion

Functional description of any sort contributes to communal success. The assumption that our predecessors were nutjobs is not a meaningful insight into our origins.

It is actually the subsequent complexity of record keeping including political dogma that is most likely to have contributed to less than sane reasoning in the community…….

Cymek said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Pictures > Language > Storytelling > Religion

Functional description of any sort contributes to communal success. The assumption that our predecessors were nutjobs is not a meaningful insight into our origins.

Not all but how is it that some people who hear “god” in their head are called prophets and others are just mentally ill. Perhaps it’s all about how smart those prophets are to think how can I manipulate the masses with my “gift”

Charismatic types vs schizophrenia types?

Cymek said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Pictures > Language > Storytelling > Religion

Functional description of any sort contributes to communal success. The assumption that our predecessors were nutjobs is not a meaningful insight into our origins.

Not all but how is it that some people who hear “god” in their head are called prophets and others are just mentally ill. Perhaps it’s all about how smart those prophets are to think how can I manipulate the masses with my “gift”

This is an inaccurate description developed from embellished record keeping. The more likely fact is that there have simply been individuals with above normal reasoning and logic that has been difficult to translate for those with greater ignorance(or with something to gain from dishonesty) at the time.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Pictures > Language > Storytelling > Religion

Functional description of any sort contributes to communal success. The assumption that our predecessors were nutjobs is not a meaningful insight into our origins.

There were intellectuals and nutcases and everyone between, unfortunately some of the smarter nutcases knew about the power of storytelling and used it to their advantage.

The persons most responsible for sullying the record were by no means nutjobs and are the predecessors of corporate marketing and political “divide and conquer” reasoning.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Cymek said:

Postpocelipse said:

Functional description of any sort contributes to communal success. The assumption that our predecessors were nutjobs is not a meaningful insight into our origins.

Not all but how is it that some people who hear “god” in their head are called prophets and others are just mentally ill. Perhaps it’s all about how smart those prophets are to think how can I manipulate the masses with my “gift”

Charismatic types vs schizophrenia types?

Once again, no. People with dysfunctional interpretation of reality will not have made any record of sustainability due to their exclusion from functional society.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Cymek said:

Postpocelipse said:

Functional description of any sort contributes to communal success. The assumption that our predecessors were nutjobs is not a meaningful insight into our origins.

Not all but how is it that some people who hear “god” in their head are called prophets and others are just mentally ill. Perhaps it’s all about how smart those prophets are to think how can I manipulate the masses with my “gift”

Charismatic types vs schizophrenia types?

Quite likely and then they made up faith as they knew actually proof was not possible

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

Functional description of any sort contributes to communal success. The assumption that our predecessors were nutjobs is not a meaningful insight into our origins.

There were intellectuals and nutcases and everyone between, unfortunately some of the smarter nutcases knew about the power of storytelling and used it to their advantage.

The persons most responsible for sullying the record were by no means nutjobs and are the predecessors of corporate marketing and political “divide and conquer” reasoning.

That is true as well

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Cymek said:

Not all but how is it that some people who hear “god” in their head are called prophets and others are just mentally ill. Perhaps it’s all about how smart those prophets are to think how can I manipulate the masses with my “gift”

Charismatic types vs schizophrenia types?

Once again, no. People with dysfunctional interpretation of reality will not have made any record of sustainability due to their exclusion from functional society.

So did they actually believe their own stories or was the entire thing thought up for power and wealth

Cymek said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Cymek said:

Not all but how is it that some people who hear “god” in their head are called prophets and others are just mentally ill. Perhaps it’s all about how smart those prophets are to think how can I manipulate the masses with my “gift”

Charismatic types vs schizophrenia types?

Quite likely and then they made up faith as they knew actually proof was not possible

It is obvious in the records that falsified record was purely of political motive. Nutjobs are a modern entity facilitated by our removing ourselves from the immediate consequences of the natural environment. They will never have prospered before the social reforms of the modern era.

Postpocelipse said:

Cymek said:

Postpocelipse said:

Functional description of any sort contributes to communal success. The assumption that our predecessors were nutjobs is not a meaningful insight into our origins.

Not all but how is it that some people who hear “god” in their head are called prophets and others are just mentally ill. Perhaps it’s all about how smart those prophets are to think how can I manipulate the masses with my “gift”

This is an inaccurate description developed from embellished record keeping. The more likely fact is that there have simply been individuals with above normal reasoning and logic that has been difficult to translate for those with greater ignorance(or with something to gain from dishonesty) at the time.

I think you will find that nutcases were involved from day one and are still around to this day

Cymek said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Charismatic types vs schizophrenia types?

Once again, no. People with dysfunctional interpretation of reality will not have made any record of sustainability due to their exclusion from functional society.

So did they actually believe their own stories or was the entire thing thought up for power and wealth

I have attempted to illustrate this with my interpretation of the first testament. Cultural identity was considered somewhat sacred and opposing cultures the threat to internal unity. The first testament is extensively embellished to lay blame on the doorsteps of other nations while justifying the authors of the Hebrew record.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

Cymek said:

Not all but how is it that some people who hear “god” in their head are called prophets and others are just mentally ill. Perhaps it’s all about how smart those prophets are to think how can I manipulate the masses with my “gift”

This is an inaccurate description developed from embellished record keeping. The more likely fact is that there have simply been individuals with above normal reasoning and logic that has been difficult to translate for those with greater ignorance(or with something to gain from dishonesty) at the time.

I think you will find that nutcases were involved from day one and are still around to this day

I disagree vehemently. Nutcases can barely keep themselves alive in today’s augmented environment. It is well understood that physical handicaps ruled out significant contribution to community reason so mental handicap can only have failed to a greater extent here.

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

Functional description of any sort contributes to communal success. The assumption that our predecessors were nutjobs is not a meaningful insight into our origins.

There were intellectuals and nutcases and everyone between, unfortunately some of the smarter nutcases knew about the power of storytelling and used it to their advantage.

The persons most responsible for sullying the record were by no means nutjobs and are the predecessors of corporate marketing and political “divide and conquer” reasoning.

Look at all the weird sects that pop up now and then like the Branch Davidians, there leader was a nutcase

Scientology = Nutcases

Leader of ISIS = Nutcase

Leader of Taliban = Nutcases

Leaders of religious sects = Nutcases

Cymek said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Charismatic types vs schizophrenia types?

Once again, no. People with dysfunctional interpretation of reality will not have made any record of sustainability due to their exclusion from functional society.

So did they actually believe their own stories or was the entire thing thought up for power and wealth

Power and wealth

Look at the inquisitions of the middle ages

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

There were intellectuals and nutcases and everyone between, unfortunately some of the smarter nutcases knew about the power of storytelling and used it to their advantage.

The persons most responsible for sullying the record were by no means nutjobs and are the predecessors of corporate marketing and political “divide and conquer” reasoning.

Look at all the weird sects that pop up now and then like the Branch Davidians, there leader was a nutcase

Scientology = Nutcases

Leader of ISIS = Nutcase

Leader of Taliban = Nutcases

Leaders of religious sects = Nutcases

Yes all modern offspring of cultural movements which were set on a path by political connivance. Cunning people are well aware of their actions but are able to justify it with silver tongues. It does not work the other way around. Nutcases cannot be held responsible for their actions for significant reason.

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

This is an inaccurate description developed from embellished record keeping. The more likely fact is that there have simply been individuals with above normal reasoning and logic that has been difficult to translate for those with greater ignorance(or with something to gain from dishonesty) at the time.

I think you will find that nutcases were involved from day one and are still around to this day

I disagree vehemently. Nutcases can barely keep themselves alive in today’s augmented environment. It is well understood that physical handicaps ruled out significant contribution to community reason so mental handicap can only have failed to a greater extent here.

then disagree

Nutcases started storytelling and used it to their advantage

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

There were intellectuals and nutcases and everyone between, unfortunately some of the smarter nutcases knew about the power of storytelling and used it to their advantage.

The persons most responsible for sullying the record were by no means nutjobs and are the predecessors of corporate marketing and political “divide and conquer” reasoning.

Look at all the weird sects that pop up now and then like the Branch Davidians, there leader was a nutcase

Scientology = Nutcases

Leader of ISIS = Nutcase

Leader of Taliban = Nutcases

Leaders of religious sects = Nutcases

Perhaps functional socio/psychopaths is a better term, you have to have quite abhorrent thought patterns to carry out those actions but are still quite functional for the most part

CrazyNeutrino said:

Cymek said:

Postpocelipse said:

Once again, no. People with dysfunctional interpretation of reality will not have made any record of sustainability due to their exclusion from functional society.

So did they actually believe their own stories or was the entire thing thought up for power and wealth

Power and wealth

Look at the inquisitions of the middle ages

Status-quo…….

Cymek said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

The persons most responsible for sullying the record were by no means nutjobs and are the predecessors of corporate marketing and political “divide and conquer” reasoning.

Look at all the weird sects that pop up now and then like the Branch Davidians, there leader was a nutcase

Scientology = Nutcases

Leader of ISIS = Nutcase

Leader of Taliban = Nutcases

Leaders of religious sects = Nutcases

Perhaps functional socio/psychopaths is a better term, you have to have quite abhorrent thought patterns to carry out those actions but are still quite functional for the most part

The difference is in the deliberate intentions involved. No different to the political/corporate reasoning we are subjected to today.

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

The persons most responsible for sullying the record were by no means nutjobs and are the predecessors of corporate marketing and political “divide and conquer” reasoning.

Look at all the weird sects that pop up now and then like the Branch Davidians, there leader was a nutcase

Scientology = Nutcases

Leader of ISIS = Nutcase

Leader of Taliban = Nutcases

Leaders of religious sects = Nutcases

Yes all modern offspring of cultural movements which were set on a path by political connivance. Cunning people are well aware of their actions but are able to justify it with silver tongues. It does not work the other way around. Nutcases cannot be held responsible for their actions for significant reason.

Saying that something exists when it cannot be proved is deception

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I think you will find that nutcases were involved from day one and are still around to this day

I disagree vehemently. Nutcases can barely keep themselves alive in today’s augmented environment. It is well understood that physical handicaps ruled out significant contribution to community reason so mental handicap can only have failed to a greater extent here.

then disagree

Nutcases started storytelling and used it to their advantage

This can be positively dis-proven with minimal effort……….

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Look at all the weird sects that pop up now and then like the Branch Davidians, there leader was a nutcase

Scientology = Nutcases

Leader of ISIS = Nutcase

Leader of Taliban = Nutcases

Leaders of religious sects = Nutcases

Yes all modern offspring of cultural movements which were set on a path by political connivance. Cunning people are well aware of their actions but are able to justify it with silver tongues. It does not work the other way around. Nutcases cannot be held responsible for their actions for significant reason.

Saying that something exists when it cannot be proved is deception

You are including all your own biases to events that evolved over generations and multitudinous power transfers. The analysis cannot be conclusive if it focuses on only the subject matters that get on your goat. Only a methodical assessment that accounts for specific events and actions can provide a meaningful clarification of the subject.

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

I disagree vehemently. Nutcases can barely keep themselves alive in today’s augmented environment. It is well understood that physical handicaps ruled out significant contribution to community reason so mental handicap can only have failed to a greater extent here.

then disagree

Nutcases started storytelling and used it to their advantage

This can be positively dis-proven with minimal effort……….

Bullshit

If you want to live in a fictitious world than that is your right

I don’t live in any fictitious world or follow any medieval storytelling

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

then disagree

Nutcases started storytelling and used it to their advantage

This can be positively dis-proven with minimal effort……….

Bullshit

If you want to live in a fictitious world than that is your right

I don’t live in any fictitious world or follow any medieval storytelling

You are completely ignoring the fact that The First Testament is not an example of “medieval storytelling” but a record of specific political actions and intentions that had to be re-embellished with every successive set of rulers to include themselves in it’s justification. It is the oldest example of political obfuscation available and is genuinely nothing else when exhaustively researched.

so double bullshit to your bullshit CN. Sorry but the evidence is clear when you take the time to reference it rather than your own neurotic preferences.

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

Yes all modern offspring of cultural movements which were set on a path by political connivance. Cunning people are well aware of their actions but are able to justify it with silver tongues. It does not work the other way around. Nutcases cannot be held responsible for their actions for significant reason.

Saying that something exists when it cannot be proved is deception

You are including all your own biases to events that evolved over generations and multitudinous power transfers. The analysis cannot be conclusive if it focuses on only the subject matters that get on your goat. Only a methodical assessment that accounts for specific events and actions can provide a meaningful clarification of the subject.

blah blah blah

I will say it again

Saying that something exists when it cannot be proved is deception and fraud = crime

this is what I obverse

that religious people get taught through medieval story telling and then push their ideology onto non religious people

and in doing so cause harassment and human rights abuse

religious people do not have the right to interfere with the rights of non religious people

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

This can be positively dis-proven with minimal effort……….

Bullshit

If you want to live in a fictitious world than that is your right

I don’t live in any fictitious world or follow any medieval storytelling

You are completely ignoring the fact that The First Testament is not an example of “medieval storytelling” but a record of specific political actions and intentions that had to be re-embellished with every successive set of rulers to include themselves in it’s justification. It is the oldest example of political obfuscation available and is genuinely nothing else when exhaustively researched.

I ignore it alright!

Postpocelipse said:

so double bullshit to your bullshit CN. Sorry but the evidence is clear when you take the time to reference it rather than your own neurotic preferences.

Go and live in your imaginary world

but its not the real one

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Saying that something exists when it cannot be proved is deception

You are including all your own biases to events that evolved over generations and multitudinous power transfers. The analysis cannot be conclusive if it focuses on only the subject matters that get on your goat. Only a methodical assessment that accounts for specific events and actions can provide a meaningful clarification of the subject.

blah blah blah

I will say it again

Saying that something exists when it cannot be proved is deception and fraud = crime

this is what I obverse

that religious people get taught through medieval story telling and then push their ideology onto non religious people

and in doing so cause harassment and human rights abuse

religious people do not have the right to interfere with the rights of non religious people

You are fixated entirely with a minor element of a greater record with absolutely no meaning. Do some research and stop making up what people long gone thought to satisfy your negative assessment of human capacity.

This is a science forum

Cognitive

Empirical

Validation

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

so double bullshit to your bullshit CN. Sorry but the evidence is clear when you take the time to reference it rather than your own neurotic preferences.

Go and live in your imaginary world

but its not the real one

You have issues my friend. I have indicated an entirely plausible assessment of records based on reference to the actions of the leaders that are not recorded in the bible but are recorded elsewhere. Your fixation on “god” in the subject is irrelevant to the motives of the original record makers and the events surrounding there effort.

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

You are including all your own biases to events that evolved over generations and multitudinous power transfers. The analysis cannot be conclusive if it focuses on only the subject matters that get on your goat. Only a methodical assessment that accounts for specific events and actions can provide a meaningful clarification of the subject.

blah blah blah

I will say it again

Saying that something exists when it cannot be proved is deception and fraud = crime

this is what I obverse

that religious people get taught through medieval story telling and then push their ideology onto non religious people

and in doing so cause harassment and human rights abuse

religious people do not have the right to interfere with the rights of non religious people

You are fixated entirely with a minor element of a greater record with absolutely no meaning. Do some research and stop making up what people long gone thought to satisfy your negative assessment of human capacity.

Falling into troll behavior again?

FFS

There is no way I will become religious when I know its was all made up

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

so double bullshit to your bullshit CN. Sorry but the evidence is clear when you take the time to reference it rather than your own neurotic preferences.

Go and live in your imaginary world

but its not the real one

You have issues my friend. I have indicated an entirely plausible assessment of records based on reference to the actions of the leaders that are not recorded in the bible but are recorded elsewhere. Your fixation on “god” in the subject is irrelevant to the motives of the original record makers and the events surrounding there effort.

Blah blah blah

CrazyNeutrino said:

This is a science forum

Cognitive

Empirical

Validation

You are on drugs if you think I am offering proof of god by stating the authors of the first testament were politically cunning and entirely aware of the purpose of their record.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

blah blah blah

I will say it again

Saying that something exists when it cannot be proved is deception and fraud = crime

this is what I obverse

that religious people get taught through medieval story telling and then push their ideology onto non religious people

and in doing so cause harassment and human rights abuse

religious people do not have the right to interfere with the rights of non religious people

You are fixated entirely with a minor element of a greater record with absolutely no meaning. Do some research and stop making up what people long gone thought to satisfy your negative assessment of human capacity.

Falling into troll behavior again?

FFS

There is no way I will become religious when I know its was all made up

There you go again. Fixated on people forcing religion on you when I was speaking of history from an academic viewpoint. Get help bloke.

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

This is a science forum

Cognitive

Empirical

Validation

You are on drugs if you think I am offering proof of god by stating the authors of the first testament were politically cunning and entirely aware of the purpose of their record.

people that made up religious storytelling 2000+ years were probably on drugs

its still storytelling

imaginary is all it will ever be

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

You are fixated entirely with a minor element of a greater record with absolutely no meaning. Do some research and stop making up what people long gone thought to satisfy your negative assessment of human capacity.

Falling into troll behavior again?

FFS

There is no way I will become religious when I know its was all made up

There you go again. Fixated on people forcing religion on you when I was speaking of history from an academic viewpoint. Get help bloke.

speak any way you like

I’m not religious

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

This is a science forum

Cognitive

Empirical

Validation

You are on drugs if you think I am offering proof of god by stating the authors of the first testament were politically cunning and entirely aware of the purpose of their record.

people that made up religious storytelling 2000+ years were probably on drugs

its still storytelling

imaginary is all it will ever be

You are off your head. The First Testament was INTENTIONALLY FABRICATED for political purpose and social power maintenance. This fabrication was entirely deliberate and coordinated. Take a chill pill and please stop freaking out as an alternative to meaningful discussion.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Falling into troll behavior again?

FFS

There is no way I will become religious when I know its was all made up

There you go again. Fixated on people forcing religion on you when I was speaking of history from an academic viewpoint. Get help bloke.

speak any way you like

I’m not religious

So stop bringing religion into an academic discussion you paranoid goofball!

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

You are on drugs if you think I am offering proof of god by stating the authors of the first testament were politically cunning and entirely aware of the purpose of their record.

people that made up religious storytelling 2000+ years were probably on drugs

its still storytelling

imaginary is all it will ever be

You are off your head. The First Testament was INTENTIONALLY FABRICATED for political purpose and social power maintenance. This fabrication was entirely deliberate and coordinated. Take a chill pill and please stop freaking out as an alternative to meaningful discussion.

Go and let off steam some where else

Im not your emotional boxing bag

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

There you go again. Fixated on people forcing religion on you when I was speaking of history from an academic viewpoint. Get help bloke.

speak any way you like

I’m not religious

So stop bringing religion into an academic discussion you paranoid goofball!

you started the religious thread

?

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

people that made up religious storytelling 2000+ years were probably on drugs

its still storytelling

imaginary is all it will ever be

You are off your head. The First Testament was INTENTIONALLY FABRICATED for political purpose and social power maintenance. This fabrication was entirely deliberate and coordinated. Take a chill pill and please stop freaking out as an alternative to meaningful discussion.

Go and let off steam some where else

Im not your emotional boxing bag

I’m not steamed up bloke you are. This is my topic so how about you go somewhere else with your persecuted victim shit?

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

You are off your head. The First Testament was INTENTIONALLY FABRICATED for political purpose and social power maintenance. This fabrication was entirely deliberate and coordinated. Take a chill pill and please stop freaking out as an alternative to meaningful discussion.

Go and let off steam some where else

Im not your emotional boxing bag

I’m not steamed up bloke you are. This is my topic so how about you go somewhere else with your persecuted victim shit?

Im not emotional in any way

I study it

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

speak any way you like

I’m not religious

So stop bringing religion into an academic discussion you paranoid goofball!

you started the religious thread

?

This is not a “religious” thread. It refers to collective subjects that have contributed to the development of human reasoning. You are the one who redirects it to your subject of greatest disdain. So fuck off with that would you mind?

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Go and let off steam some where else

Im not your emotional boxing bag

I’m not steamed up bloke you are. This is my topic so how about you go somewhere else with your persecuted victim shit?

Im not emotional in any way

I study it

Yeah right mate get a grip. And stop stuffing your narrow-minded paranoia down my throat you fukkin self-obsessed arsehat.

Without been called an anti-Semite the old testament does kind of claim the Jews as Gods chosen people which I suppose depending on who wrote it is either a blatant power grab or a means to persecute them out of jealously

Cymek said:

Without been called an anti-Semite the old testament does kind of claim the Jews as Gods chosen people which I suppose depending on who wrote it is either a blatant power grab or a means to persecute them out of jealously

The old testament was written by the Hebrews.

Cymek said:

Without been called an anti-Semite the old testament does kind of claim the Jews as Gods chosen people which I suppose depending on who wrote it is either a blatant power grab or a means to persecute them out of jealously

Exactly. The origin of ye ol’ testament is arguably with the intercession of the Kassites to Babylonian rule. It seems to have been of genuinely fair and honest motivation at the time of Ghandas but becomes increasingly embellished after the destruction of Santorini. I firmly believe Sodom and Gomorrah is Ghandas’s description of Egypt and Babylon before his intervention. This reference does seem to have contributed to a growing habit in those who followed him as regent to vilify any and all opponents.

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Without been called an anti-Semite the old testament does kind of claim the Jews as Gods chosen people which I suppose depending on who wrote it is either a blatant power grab or a means to persecute them out of jealously

The old testament was written by the Hebrews.

Who are Semitic……

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Without been called an anti-Semite the old testament does kind of claim the Jews as Gods chosen people which I suppose depending on who wrote it is either a blatant power grab or a means to persecute them out of jealously

The old testament was written by the Hebrews.

Who are Semitic……

So, if you deny the accuracy of the bible you are anti-semetic.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

The old testament was written by the Hebrews.

Who are Semitic……

So, if you deny the accuracy of the bible you are anti-semetic.

Anti-semite.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

The old testament was written by the Hebrews.

Who are Semitic……

So, if you deny the accuracy of the bible you are anti-semetic.

If one relies on passive aggressive victim reasoning……

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

Who are Semitic……

So, if you deny the accuracy of the bible you are anti-semetic.

If one relies on passive aggressive victim reasoning……

If you deny the accuracy of the Quran then you are an infidel.

They all should be ashamed of the senseless slaughter of anyone who didn’t necessarily believe.
Under the constriction of their own belief, all others should have been let live.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

So, if you deny the accuracy of the bible you are anti-semetic.

If one relies on passive aggressive victim reasoning……

If you deny the accuracy of the Quran then you are an infidel.

Only on second hand derived philosophy. If one assumes the philosophies of herders as the origins of the sentiments originally expressed it highlights a broad-minded inclusive and diplomatic reasoning that disapproves of political elitism.

roughbarked said:

They all should be ashamed of the senseless slaughter of anyone who didn’t necessarily believe.
Under the constriction of their own belief, all others should have been let live.

Slaughter was always the realm of political strategists.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

They all should be ashamed of the senseless slaughter of anyone who didn’t necessarily believe.
Under the constriction of their own belief, all others should have been let live.

Slaughter was always the realm of political strategists.

It is the easy way out instead of equal rights and understanding those who are different to the status quo

Cymek said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

They all should be ashamed of the senseless slaughter of anyone who didn’t necessarily believe.
Under the constriction of their own belief, all others should have been let live.

Slaughter was always the realm of political strategists.

It is the easy way out instead of equal rights and understanding those who are different to the status quo

The Status Quo is crippling. To deny the progression of intelligence only stifles creation.

Cymek said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

They all should be ashamed of the senseless slaughter of anyone who didn’t necessarily believe.
Under the constriction of their own belief, all others should have been let live.

Slaughter was always the realm of political strategists.

It is the easy way out instead of equal rights and understanding those who are different to the status quo

I find Ghandas to be the most remarkable individual in history bar none. Even Ghenghis only comes a close second. Ghandas was so far ahead of his time diplomatically it is almost unreasonable. The migrations he generated and family histories he contributed to was the the origin of Greek mythology and democracy.

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Postpocelipse said:

Slaughter was always the realm of political strategists.

It is the easy way out instead of equal rights and understanding those who are different to the status quo

The Status Quo is crippling. To deny the progression of intelligence only stifles creation.

A sentiment both Ghandas and Ghenghis would heartily agree with I suspect.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

It is the easy way out instead of equal rights and understanding those who are different to the status quo

The Status Quo is crippling. To deny the progression of intelligence only stifles creation.

A sentiment both Ghandas and Ghenghis would heartily agree with I suspect.

In the face of descrying any cognitive origins of religion?

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

The Status Quo is crippling. To deny the progression of intelligence only stifles creation.

A sentiment both Ghandas and Ghenghis would heartily agree with I suspect.

In the face of descrying any cognitive origins of religion?

Both leaders are marked for their tolerance for religious origin.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

A sentiment both Ghandas and Ghenghis would heartily agree with I suspect.

In the face of descrying any cognitive origins of religion?

Both leaders are marked for their tolerance for religious origin.

Tolerance of religious nutters only goes as far as the point of slaughtering.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

A sentiment both Ghandas and Ghenghis would heartily agree with I suspect.

In the face of descrying any cognitive origins of religion?

Both leaders are marked for their tolerance for religious origin.

My analysis of Ghenghis and word-of-mouth tradition suggests that this was a significantly developed skill that passed on information in a far more reliable fashion than nationalist political record. My sense is when he said to the Muslims, “you must be very great sinners if I am here” he was referring to his own families record and that of the Mongol confederacy that contained reference to the actions of Ghandas previously.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

In the face of descrying any cognitive origins of religion?

Both leaders are marked for their tolerance for religious origin.

Tolerance of religious nutters only goes as far as the point of slaughtering.

As the Sultan and his city discovered………..

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

Both leaders are marked for their tolerance for religious origin.

Tolerance of religious nutters only goes as far as the point of slaughtering.

As the Insultan and his city discovered………..

fixed

*vis-à-vis

dv said:

*vis-à-vis

yes ta

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

So stop bringing religion into an academic discussion you paranoid goofball!

you started the religious thread

?

This is not a “religious” thread. It refers to collective subjects that have contributed to the development of human reasoning. You are the one who redirects it to your subject of greatest disdain. So fuck off with that would you mind?

Blah Blah Blah

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

I’m not steamed up bloke you are. This is my topic so how about you go somewhere else with your persecuted victim shit?

Im not emotional in any way

I study it

Yeah right mate get a grip. And stop stuffing your narrow-minded paranoia down my throat you fukkin self-obsessed arsehat.

and

Blah Blah Blah

CrazyNeutrino said:

and

Blah Blah Blah

And you want to point the troll-bone at me? Get a life mate…….

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

and

Blah Blah Blah

And you want to point the troll-bone at me? Get a life mate…….

you just want the last say

I have a real life not an imaginary one.

:)

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

and

Blah Blah Blah

And you want to point the troll-bone at me? Get a life mate…….

you just want the last say

I have a real life not an imaginary one.

:)

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Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

And you want to point the troll-bone at me? Get a life mate…….

you just want the last say

I have a real life not an imaginary one.

:)

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Yours?

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

you just want the last say

I have a real life not an imaginary one.

:)

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Yours?

No I colour in real penises I remove from enemies……….

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

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Yours?

No I colour in real penises I remove from enemies……….

Just like ISIS who remove heads

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Yours?

No I colour in real penises I remove from enemies……….

Just like ISIS who remove heads

Gives new meaning to head jobs

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Yours?

No I colour in real penises I remove from enemies……….

Just like ISIS who remove heads

Not really. I don’t post the results on youtube to begin with. Just a pass-time I learnt growing up…..

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

No I colour in real penises I remove from enemies……….

Just like ISIS who remove heads

Not really. I don’t post the results on youtube to begin with. Just a pass-time I learnt growing up…..

and nutcases

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Just like ISIS who remove heads

Not really. I don’t post the results on youtube to begin with. Just a pass-time I learnt growing up…..

and nutcases

The heads of nutcases is where I metaphorically embellish the nature of fallen foe……..

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

Not really. I don’t post the results on youtube to begin with. Just a pass-time I learnt growing up…..

and nutcases

The heads of nutcases is where I metaphorically embellish the nature of fallen foe……..

Just like ISIS

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

and nutcases

The heads of nutcases is where I metaphorically embellish the nature of fallen foe……..

Just like ISIS

You have a fixation. I am infinitely more creative than ISIS!

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

The heads of nutcases is where I metaphorically embellish the nature of fallen foe……..

Just like ISIS

You have a fixation. I am infinitely more creative than ISIS!

ISIS by their very nature require a foe to remain standing and in opposition. I don’t have an interest in attention seeking. Enemies are dealt with swiftly or transformed into friends or at least employees…….

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

The heads of nutcases is where I metaphorically embellish the nature of fallen foe……..

Just like ISIS

You have a fixation. I am infinitely more creative than ISIS!

I have no fixation with nutcases

they come and go

just like religions in the past, that come and go

created by nutcases, that come and go

I have very little time for religion

I believe humanity would be better off without it

failing that all religion need to adopt the UN charter on Human rights and practice it.

that people in religions need to respect the rights of others who are not religious

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Just like ISIS

You have a fixation. I am infinitely more creative than ISIS!

ISIS by their very nature require a foe to remain standing and in opposition. I don’t have an interest in attention seeking. Enemies are dealt with swiftly or transformed into friends or at least employees…….

> I don’t have an interest in attention seeking.

Really?

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Just like ISIS

You have a fixation. I am infinitely more creative than ISIS!

I have no fixation with nutcases

they come and go

just like religions in the past, that come and go

created by nutcases, that come and go

I have very little time for religion

I believe humanity would be better off without it

failing that all religion need to adopt the UN charter on Human rights and practice it.

that people in religions need to respect the rights of others who are not religious

Your mistake is writing off a vast resource of human development because you prefer to cast most of humanity into a dysfunctional mould created by your own misconceptions and interpretations of what others believe.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

You have a fixation. I am infinitely more creative than ISIS!

ISIS by their very nature require a foe to remain standing and in opposition. I don’t have an interest in attention seeking. Enemies are dealt with swiftly or transformed into friends or at least employees…….

> I don’t have an interest in attention seeking.

Really?

While people like yourself go about misdirecting the topics I raise you misinterpret what my interests are by projecting your own attention seeking behaviours onto my reflection of ignorant responses.

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

You have a fixation. I am infinitely more creative than ISIS!

I have no fixation with nutcases

they come and go

just like religions in the past, that come and go

created by nutcases, that come and go

I have very little time for religion

I believe humanity would be better off without it

failing that all religion need to adopt the UN charter on Human rights and practice it.

that people in religions need to respect the rights of others who are not religious

Your mistake is writing off a vast resource of human development because you prefer to cast most of humanity into a dysfunctional mould created by your own misconceptions and interpretations of what others believe.

Ive made no mistake

> a vast resource of human development < Millions of people wasting their time on something that does not exist

> you prefer to cast most of humanity into a dysfunctional mould < I see religion as dysfunctional as it places people into imaginary worlds and give them easy answers to the universe, all of which are fictitious, that is deception on a large scale.

> and interpretations of what others believe. You are free to believe in anything your want, but you are not free to violate the rights of others.

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

ISIS by their very nature require a foe to remain standing and in opposition. I don’t have an interest in attention seeking. Enemies are dealt with swiftly or transformed into friends or at least employees…….

> I don’t have an interest in attention seeking.

Really?

While people like yourself go about misdirecting the topics I raise you misinterpret what my interests are by projecting your own attention seeking behaviours onto my reflection of ignorant responses.

Blah blah blah

CrazyNeutrino said:

Ive made no mistake

> a vast resource of human development < Millions of people wasting their time on something that does not exist blairing assumption that the referenced development is at all religious based (once again encouraging your own ignorance for the sake of a sense of superiority you require to justify your insular thinking).

> you prefer to cast most of humanity into a dysfunctional mould < I see religion as dysfunctional as it places people into imaginary worlds and give them easy answers to the universe, all of which are fictitious, that is deception on a large scale. Please desist in introducing your generic and vulgar knowledge of ‘religion’ to this subject matter. It is of minimal worth and just a symptom of your need to be heard stridently.

> and interpretations of what others believe. You are free to believe in anything your want, but you are not free to violate the rights of others.

You have specific knowledge with having your “rights” violated? Do tell……

I am not sure what sort of response you thought you’d get a thread with religion in the title, most of us here if I am correct hold religion in contempt. It’s done some good and still does but for the most part it promotes ignorance, fear and hatred towards anything different and doesn’t like change which is completely loopy as change is a universal constant. It doesn’t make sense from a rational point of view to hold such strong beliefs with no proof you’d kill people in its name, I am astonished that those that are religious don’t understand this.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

> I don’t have an interest in attention seeking.

Really?

While people like yourself go about misdirecting the topics I raise you misinterpret what my interests are by projecting your own attention seeking behaviours onto my reflection of ignorant responses.

Blah blah blah

You are the biggest twit I have recently encountered. I have a soft spot for high functioning autistics because they are usually intensely insightful, which is why I question your self-diagnosis………

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Ive made no mistake

> a vast resource of human development < Millions of people wasting their time on something that does not exist blairing assumption that the referenced development is at all religious based (once again encouraging your own ignorance for the sake of a sense of superiority you require to justify your insular thinking).

> you prefer to cast most of humanity into a dysfunctional mould < I see religion as dysfunctional as it places people into imaginary worlds and give them easy answers to the universe, all of which are fictitious, that is deception on a large scale. Please desist in introducing your generic and vulgar knowledge of ‘religion’ to this subject matter. It is of minimal worth and just a symptom of your need to be heard stridently.

> and interpretations of what others believe. You are free to believe in anything your want, but you are not free to violate the rights of others.

You have specific knowledge with having your “rights” violated? Do tell……

http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Documents/UDHR_Translations/eng.pdf

Cymek said:

I am not sure what sort of response you thought you’d get a thread with religion in the title, most of us here if I am correct hold religion in contempt. It’s done some good and still does but for the most part it promotes ignorance, fear and hatred towards anything different and doesn’t like change which is completely loopy as change is a universal constant. It doesn’t make sense from a rational point of view to hold such strong beliefs with no proof you’d kill people in its name, I am astonished that those that are religious don’t understand this.

Yes well blurring the lines between politics and religion has been avoided in court for a bloody long time for a FARKIN good reason.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Ive made no mistake

> a vast resource of human development < Millions of people wasting their time on something that does not exist blairing assumption that the referenced development is at all religious based (once again encouraging your own ignorance for the sake of a sense of superiority you require to justify your insular thinking).

> you prefer to cast most of humanity into a dysfunctional mould < I see religion as dysfunctional as it places people into imaginary worlds and give them easy answers to the universe, all of which are fictitious, that is deception on a large scale. Please desist in introducing your generic and vulgar knowledge of ‘religion’ to this subject matter. It is of minimal worth and just a symptom of your need to be heard stridently.

> and interpretations of what others believe. You are free to believe in anything your want, but you are not free to violate the rights of others.

You have specific knowledge with having your “rights” violated? Do tell……

http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Documents/UDHR_Translations/eng.pdf

That is called appropriating the suffering of others to oneself and considered vulgar and contemptible.

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

While people like yourself go about misdirecting the topics I raise you misinterpret what my interests are by projecting your own attention seeking behaviours onto my reflection of ignorant responses.

Blah blah blah

You are the biggest twit I have recently encountered. I have a soft spot for high functioning autistics because they are usually intensely insightful, which is why I question your self-diagnosis………

Call me anything you like

if someone has a broken arm they have a broken arm

I dont question other peoples medical conditions

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

You have specific knowledge with having your “rights” violated? Do tell……

http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Documents/UDHR_Translations/eng.pdf

That is called appropriating the suffering of others to oneself and considered vulgar and contemptible.

That is the UN Charter of Human Rights

I have not appropriated anything

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Blah blah blah

You are the biggest twit I have recently encountered. I have a soft spot for high functioning autistics because they are usually intensely insightful, which is why I question your self-diagnosis………

Call me anything you like

if someone has a broken arm they have a broken arm

I dont question other peoples medical conditions

Bullshit. You do it all the time with your assumption that what other people genuinely believe is contemptible.

I thing religion has made a lot of people unhappy

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Documents/UDHR_Translations/eng.pdf

That is called appropriating the suffering of others to oneself and considered vulgar and contemptible.

That is the UN Charter of Human Rights

I have not appropriated anything

Which is not “your” experience is it? Twit……….

CrazyNeutrino said:

I thing religion has made a lot of people unhappy

You mistake assumption for thinking. Important to distinguish that one……..

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

You are the biggest twit I have recently encountered. I have a soft spot for high functioning autistics because they are usually intensely insightful, which is why I question your self-diagnosis………

Call me anything you like

if someone has a broken arm they have a broken arm

I dont question other peoples medical conditions

Bullshit. You do it all the time with your assumption that what other people genuinely believe is contemptible.

I dont question other peoples medical conditions

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

That is called appropriating the suffering of others to oneself and considered vulgar and contemptible.

That is the UN Charter of Human Rights

I have not appropriated anything

Which is not “your” experience is it? Twit……….

Blah Blah blah again

Getting back to the original article, was it just religion and language that evolved simultaneously or all sorts of story telling as ones imagination had an outlet to give it justice.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Call me anything you like

if someone has a broken arm they have a broken arm

I dont question other peoples medical conditions

Bullshit. You do it all the time with your assumption that what other people genuinely believe is contemptible.

I dont question other peoples medical conditions

You don’t apply self-criticality to your reasoning. You make assumptions based on your personal preferences rather than reference and investigation of fact. You constantly diagnose the greater proportion of humanity as mentally unwell.

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I thing religion has made a lot of people unhappy

You mistake assumption for thinking. Important to distinguish that one……..

I have made no mistake on that observation

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

Bullshit. You do it all the time with your assumption that what other people genuinely believe is contemptible.

I dont question other peoples medical conditions

You don’t apply self-criticality to your reasoning. You make assumptions based on your personal preferences rather than reference and investigation of fact. You constantly diagnose the greater proportion of humanity as mentally unwell.

I dont question other peoples medical conditions

Cymek said:

Getting back to the original article, was it just religion and language that evolved simultaneously or all sorts of story telling as ones imagination had an outlet to give it justice.

Differentiation is the first requirement of both critical reasoning and communication. From there subject matter is built upon.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I thing religion has made a lot of people unhappy

You mistake assumption for thinking. Important to distinguish that one……..

I have made no mistake on that observation

Assumption. You have never exhibited the smallest degree of factual academic comprehension on the subject and only satisfaction with your own ability to minimise your mental workload by diminishing your respect for the rest of the human race.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I dont question other peoples medical conditions

You don’t apply self-criticality to your reasoning. You make assumptions based on your personal preferences rather than reference and investigation of fact. You constantly diagnose the greater proportion of humanity as mentally unwell.

I dont question other peoples medical conditions

You state that religious people are mentally unwell. You don’t question your own diagnosis of ANYTHING!

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

You don’t apply self-criticality to your reasoning. You make assumptions based on your personal preferences rather than reference and investigation of fact. You constantly diagnose the greater proportion of humanity as mentally unwell.

I dont question other peoples medical conditions

You state that religious people are mentally unwell. You don’t question your own diagnosis of ANYTHING!

By some definition they could be considered mentally unwell to believe a story without proof

Cymek said:

Getting back to the original article, was it just religion and language that evolved simultaneously or all sorts of story telling as ones imagination had an outlet to give it justice.

I think story telling evolved around the same time

I think it created competitive ideas, that the more intense the story and imagery, then it would succeed, just like other darwinian concepts.

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

You mistake assumption for thinking. Important to distinguish that one……..

I have made no mistake on that observation

Assumption. You have never exhibited the smallest degree of factual academic comprehension on the subject and only satisfaction with your own ability to minimise your mental workload by diminishing your respect for the rest of the human race.

No, A lot of religious are unhappy, I have observed that.

Cymek said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I dont question other peoples medical conditions

You state that religious people are mentally unwell. You don’t question your own diagnosis of ANYTHING!

By some definition they could be considered mentally unwell to believe a story without proof

I think it’s a long bow to draw to suggest that believers in religion are mentally unwell

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

Postpocelipse said:

You state that religious people are mentally unwell. You don’t question your own diagnosis of ANYTHING!

By some definition they could be considered mentally unwell to believe a story without proof

I think it’s a long bow to draw to suggest that believers in religion are mentally unwell

Not such a long bow though to suggest mental illness in this thread. The ironing is delicious.

Cymek said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I dont question other peoples medical conditions

You state that religious people are mentally unwell. You don’t question your own diagnosis of ANYTHING!

By some definition they could be considered mentally unwell to believe a story without proof

That is a broad tarring with a biased brush. My experience with the beliefs of religious people does not reflect the popular assumptions. The central tenet of these peoples philosophies has always been one of simply placing human need ahead of human desire. Simple as that. Sure, the US has developed religious nuttery. The Mid-East is as prone to heat induced mental instability as much as the population of Darwin are. Darwin has various ameliorating factors that contribute to it’s peace.

Broad assumptions based on dislike of religion represent exclusion, anti-democratic dogma to my mind and is just as unhealthy as zealous religiousness.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I have made no mistake on that observation

Assumption. You have never exhibited the smallest degree of factual academic comprehension on the subject and only satisfaction with your own ability to minimise your mental workload by diminishing your respect for the rest of the human race.

No, A lot of religious are unhappy, I have observed that.

From the safety of your pc or did you go out and become personally involved to develop genuine familiarity?

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

You don’t apply self-criticality to your reasoning. You make assumptions based on your personal preferences rather than reference and investigation of fact. You constantly diagnose the greater proportion of humanity as mentally unwell.

I dont question other peoples medical conditions

You state that religious people are mentally unwell. You don’t question your own diagnosis of ANYTHING!

I think a lot of religious people have been deceived, to be told to believe in something and not question it is foolish, to be told to believe in something that does not exist looks like astrology and witchcraft, and fairies, all fictitious, I would say a lot of religious are unwell, because fictitious ideology does not match with reality. A lot of them are in denial, sure a lot of them would be happy and that is fine, but to place such an abstract concept of God onto people with no proof or disprove is pure deception.

You don’t question your own diagnosis of ANYTHING!

I have aspergers, yes I have the intellectual capacity to observe things including myself, is something wrong with that?

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I dont question other peoples medical conditions

You state that religious people are mentally unwell. You don’t question your own diagnosis of ANYTHING!

I think a lot of religious people have been deceived, to be told to believe in something and not question it is foolish, to be told to believe in something that does not exist looks like astrology and witchcraft, and fairies, all fictitious, I would say a lot of religious are unwell, because fictitious ideology does not match with reality. A lot of them are in denial, sure a lot of them would be happy and that is fine, but to place such an abstract concept of God onto people with no proof or disprove is pure deception.

You don’t question your own diagnosis of ANYTHING!

I have aspergers, yes I have the intellectual capacity to observe things including myself, is something wrong with that?

You haven’t done any meaningful research to make your assumptions and your conclusions are self-justifying. You are an armchair bandit without any connection to anyone elses reality but your own.

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

Postpocelipse said:

You state that religious people are mentally unwell. You don’t question your own diagnosis of ANYTHING!

By some definition they could be considered mentally unwell to believe a story without proof

I think it’s a long bow to draw to suggest that believers in religion are mentally unwell

Not all religious people, there would be a sizeable percentage who are unhappy or depressed that the bible or koran do not match reality

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

Assumption. You have never exhibited the smallest degree of factual academic comprehension on the subject and only satisfaction with your own ability to minimise your mental workload by diminishing your respect for the rest of the human race.

No, A lot of religious are unhappy, I have observed that.

From the safety of your pc or did you go out and become personally involved to develop genuine familiarity?

Just 56 years of observation

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

You state that religious people are mentally unwell. You don’t question your own diagnosis of ANYTHING!

I think a lot of religious people have been deceived, to be told to believe in something and not question it is foolish, to be told to believe in something that does not exist looks like astrology and witchcraft, and fairies, all fictitious, I would say a lot of religious are unwell, because fictitious ideology does not match with reality. A lot of them are in denial, sure a lot of them would be happy and that is fine, but to place such an abstract concept of God onto people with no proof or disprove is pure deception.

You don’t question your own diagnosis of ANYTHING!

I have aspergers, yes I have the intellectual capacity to observe things including myself, is something wrong with that?

You haven’t done any meaningful research to make your assumptions and your conclusions are self-justifying. You are an armchair bandit without any connection to anyone elses reality but your own.

There you go with the Blah blah blah again

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

No, A lot of religious are unhappy, I have observed that.

From the safety of your pc or did you go out and become personally involved to develop genuine familiarity?

Just 56 years of observation

of your own reactions to others and just about nothing else by the look……..

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I think a lot of religious people have been deceived, to be told to believe in something and not question it is foolish, to be told to believe in something that does not exist looks like astrology and witchcraft, and fairies, all fictitious, I would say a lot of religious are unwell, because fictitious ideology does not match with reality. A lot of them are in denial, sure a lot of them would be happy and that is fine, but to place such an abstract concept of God onto people with no proof or disprove is pure deception.

You don’t question your own diagnosis of ANYTHING!

I have aspergers, yes I have the intellectual capacity to observe things including myself, is something wrong with that?

You haven’t done any meaningful research to make your assumptions and your conclusions are self-justifying. You are an armchair bandit without any connection to anyone elses reality but your own.

There you go with the Blah blah blah again

You are the expert on blah. I’ll take your word for it.

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

From the safety of your pc or did you go out and become personally involved to develop genuine familiarity?

Just 56 years of observation

of your own reactions to others and just about nothing else by the look……..

Presumptuous rubbish

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

You haven’t done any meaningful research to make your assumptions and your conclusions are self-justifying. You are an armchair bandit without any connection to anyone elses reality but your own.

There you go with the Blah blah blah again

You are the expert on blah. I’ll take your word for it.

You said nothing, take my word for it.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

There you go with the Blah blah blah again

You are the expert on blah. I’ll take your word for it.

You said nothing, take my word for it.

Seeing as I grew up inside several religions you are preaching to the better informed and your hoighty-toit little attitude is tragic. Twit…….

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

You are the expert on blah. I’ll take your word for it.

You said nothing, take my word for it.

Seeing as I grew up inside several religions you are preaching to the better informed and your hoighty-toit little attitude is tragic. Twit…….

Whatever

However

God does not exist

The Universe Exists

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

You said nothing, take my word for it.

Seeing as I grew up inside several religions you are preaching to the better informed and your hoighty-toit little attitude is tragic. Twit…….

Whatever

However

God does not exist

The Universe Exists

How remarkable. Should we inform everyone else?

Really, enough about you CN. No one is learning anything from the subject………

Postpocelipse said:

Really, enough about you CN. No one is learning anything from the subject………

Yes do move on

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

Really, enough about you CN. No one is learning anything from the subject………

Yes do move on

As soon as you do……..

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

Really, enough about you CN. No one is learning anything from the subject………

Yes do move on

As soon as you do……..

The waiting game

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Postpocelipse said:

Really, enough about you CN. No one is learning anything from the subject………

Yes do move on

As soon as you do……..

After you, holds door

Sign language must have evolved quickly before written language?

Maybe the Art on the walls of animals was of pointers or reminders of food.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Maybe the Art on the walls of animals was of pointers or reminders of food.

Perhaps making communication easier by pointing to the picture of the animal on the wall when its time to go hunting

CrazyNeutrino said:

Sign language must have evolved quickly before written language?

No

dv said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Sign language must have evolved quickly before written language?

No

I think he’s got a point.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Sign language must have evolved quickly before written language?

No

I think he’s got a point.

I would imagine sign language came first because one would need to point to alphabets or symbols probably done in ground drawn with sticks

pictures came before text so images would have been used to form basic sentence something like

picture of humans, picture of spear, picture of animal,

one would point to pictures on cave walls to perhaps perform a copied action

CrazyNeutrino said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

No

I think he’s got a point.

I would imagine sign language came first because one would need to point to alphabets or symbols probably done in ground drawn with sticks

pictures came before text so images would have been used to form basic sentence something like

picture of humans, picture of spear, picture of animal,

one would point to pictures on cave walls to perhaps perform a copied action

It’s possible.

The opposite is also possible.

We don’t know, have no direct evidence, and can’t test it, so basically you just have to say we don’t know.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

No

I think he’s got a point.

I would imagine sign language came first because one would need to point to alphabets or symbols probably done in ground drawn with sticks

pictures came before text so images would have been used to form basic sentence something like

picture of humans, picture of spear, picture of animal,

one would point to pictures on cave walls to perhaps perform a copied action

picture of humans, picture of spear, picture of animal,

that would mean lets get our spears and go hunting for that animal

then more abstract ways of connecting objects and actions together

something like that

CrazyNeutrino said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I think he’s got a point.

I would imagine sign language came first because one would need to point to alphabets or symbols probably done in ground drawn with sticks

pictures came before text so images would have been used to form basic sentence something like

picture of humans, picture of spear, picture of animal,

one would point to pictures on cave walls to perhaps perform a copied action

picture of humans, picture of spear, picture of animal,

that would mean lets get our spears and go hunting for that animal

then more abstract ways of connecting objects and actions together

something like that

and then out of that, evolving into symbols (of objects and actions), then those early symbols evolving into the first alphabets?

Was grammar born out of objects and actions?

CrazyNeutrino said:

Was grammar born out of objects and actions?

nah, she was a child of the great depression…

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Was grammar born out of objects and actions?

nah, she was a child of the great depression…

Yeah but surely there was action to conceive her…

Divine Angel said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Was grammar born out of objects and actions?

nah, she was a child of the great depression…

Yeah but surely there was action to conceive her…

well… at least 2…

Postpocelipse said:

Cymek said:

Getting back to the original article, was it just religion and language that evolved simultaneously or all sorts of story telling as ones imagination had an outlet to give it justice.

Differentiation is the first requirement of both critical reasoning and communication. From there subject matter is built upon.

I think they were telling hunting stories and ghost stories long before they invented religion.

dv said:

We don’t know, have no direct evidence, and can’t test it, so basically you just have to say we don’t know.

OK. So you don’t have the words and grunting doesn’t seem like the right language but you make eyes at her anyway in the hope that she will notice.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

We don’t know, have no direct evidence, and can’t test it, so basically you just have to say we don’t know.

OK. So you don’t have the words and grunting doesn’t seem like the right language but you make eyes at her anyway in the hope that she will notice.

We don’t know, have no direct evidence, and can’t test it, so basically you just have to say we don’t know.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

We don’t know, have no direct evidence, and can’t test it, so basically you just have to say we don’t know.

OK. So you don’t have the words and grunting doesn’t seem like the right language but you make eyes at her anyway in the hope that she will notice.

We don’t know, have no direct evidence, and can’t test it, so basically you just have to say we don’t know.

wait, I think he’s trying to tell us something

Arts said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

OK. So you don’t have the words and grunting doesn’t seem like the right language but you make eyes at her anyway in the hope that she will notice.

We don’t know, have no direct evidence, and can’t test it, so basically you just have to say we don’t know.

wait, I think he’s trying to tell us something

Body language lead to sign language?

Arts said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

OK. So you don’t have the words and grunting doesn’t seem like the right language but you make eyes at her anyway in the hope that she will notice.

We don’t know, have no direct evidence, and can’t test it, so basically you just have to say we don’t know.

wait, I think he’s trying to tell us something

Perhaps I should use the medium of dance.

dv said:

Arts said:

dv said:

We don’t know, have no direct evidence, and can’t test it, so basically you just have to say we don’t know.

wait, I think he’s trying to tell us something

Perhaps I should use the medium of dance.

Yes but would you suggest that your dance was about a god?

Postpocelipse said:

Cymek said:

Getting back to the original article, was it just religion and language that evolved simultaneously or all sorts of story telling as ones imagination had an outlet to give it justice.

Differentiation is the first requirement of both critical reasoning and communication. From there subject matter is built upon.

Consider the task of two cultures without common language that must negotiate with each other. The fundamental recognition all who are secluded to the diplomatic tent must comprehend is “we are the same”. Without this all efforts are inevitably doomed to failure.

The recognition that “we are the same” is also the fundamental observation of any successful philosophy and the crux of non-dualistic thinking. Even with the development of language today communicating anything of worth in regard to non-duality is difficult to say the least. It was observed by Sakyamuni Buddha when he set down the precepts for Zen that this philosophy would only hold any relevance for 15 generations after which it would be near to worthless although he predicted it would still be practised despite his better guidance. This illustrates the fragility of word of mouth learning and the tendency for well constructed descriptions to become diluted through Chinese whispers.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

Cymek said:

Getting back to the original article, was it just religion and language that evolved simultaneously or all sorts of story telling as ones imagination had an outlet to give it justice.

Differentiation is the first requirement of both critical reasoning and communication. From there subject matter is built upon.

I think they were telling hunting stories and ghost stories long before they invented religion.

The origin of religion is greater related to inter-cultural diplomacy than any internal mythological development. There has long been a divide between the fires the youth were raised around and that of the elders who resolved matters the youth may not have even been aware of.

dv said:

It’s possible.

The opposite is also possible.

We don’t know, have no direct evidence, and can’t test it, so basically you just have to say we don’t know.

Thank you for eloquently summarising the inconclusiveness that must be applied to a statement that “cannot be proven”. For one person the belief that the universe is fundamentally creative only requires the inherent nature of human creativity to support the contention that humans are a product of an inherently benevolent environment and not some sort of aberrational inclusion to a universe barren of non-human sentience.

Do you wish to respond CN?

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Cymek said:

Getting back to the original article, was it just religion and language that evolved simultaneously or all sorts of story telling as ones imagination had an outlet to give it justice.

Differentiation is the first requirement of both critical reasoning and communication. From there subject matter is built upon.

Consider the task of two cultures without common language that must negotiate with each other. The fundamental recognition all who are secluded to the diplomatic tent must comprehend is “we are the same”. Without this all efforts are inevitably doomed to failure.

The recognition that “we are the same” is also the fundamental observation of any successful philosophy and the crux of non-dualistic thinking. Even with the development of language today communicating anything of worth in regard to non-duality is difficult to say the least. It was observed by Sakyamuni Buddha when he set down the precepts for Zen that this philosophy would only hold any relevance for 15 generations after which it would be near to worthless although he predicted it would still be practised despite his better guidance. This illustrates the fragility of word of mouth learning and the tendency for well constructed descriptions to become diluted through Chinese whispers or altered by language re-application and cultural development.

R.C. Henry, Professor of Physics of Physics and Astronomy at John Hopkins University, explains things further

A fundamental conclusion of the new physics also acknowledges that the observer creates the reality. As observers, we are personally involved with the creation of our own reality. Physicists are being forced to admit that the universe is a “mental” construction. Pioneering physicist Sir James Jeans wrote: “The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter, we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter. Get over it, and accept the inarguable conclusion. The universe is immaterial-mental and spiritual. (source)

There is no break from dreaming only degrees of immersion……………..

Postpocelipse said:

“Language and Religion developed simultaneously”

vis-a-vi “The Word”……….

That makes sense.

Collections of children’s stories become revered by the next generation, and even more by die-hards in further generations. We’ve seen it happen in modern times, too.