Both he and his dad knew what was going to happen if he went to Jerusalem, but he went anyway, a bit like standing up on the butts on a rifle range whilst target practice is in progress.

bob(from black rock) said:

Both he and his dad knew what was going to happen if he went to Jerusalem, but he went anyway, a bit like standing up on the butts on a rifle range whilst target practice is in progress.

A big deal is made that he died for our sins but if you knew you’d come back from the dead its far less of a deal. I imagine thousands of people have sacrificed their own life to save other including complete strangers and they don’t come back from the dead.

bob(from black rock) said:

Both he and his dad knew what was going to happen if he went to Jerusalem, but he went anyway, a bit like standing up on the butts on a rifle range whilst target practice is in progress.

Nah. He lost his cool when things didn’t go the way he expected, Matthew 21:12 and John 2:15. Problem is he started to believe his own propaganda, lost touch with reality, and so his bloodless coup got creamed.

After that he just lost the will to survive.

mollwollfumble said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Both he and his dad knew what was going to happen if he went to Jerusalem, but he went anyway, a bit like standing up on the butts on a rifle range whilst target practice is in progress.

Nah. He lost his cool when things didn’t go the way he expected, Matthew 21:12 and John 2:15. Problem is he started to believe his own propaganda, lost touch with reality, and so his bloodless coup got creamed.

After that he just lost the will to survive.

Since then billions of people have wasted billions of hours in time on fictitious stories.

People have superimposed religious concepts of creation over the universe which is indifferent to human ideas and exists as it is

We observe the universe using science and make observation that can be validated

Clergy have preached the existence of a god when their is no proof (deception and fraud)

Millions of innocent people have been subject to harassment and personal rights abuse from religious people (abortion, euthanasia, gays)

Christianity and other religions have caused humanity great harm by giving easy answers to hard questions about the universe, which has caused people not to question things or think for themselves.

Religious concepts have influenced the way religious politicians create law, causing bias in laws and human rights conflicts in laws.

Humanity would be better off without religion, and failing that all religions should adopt and practice the UN charter on human rights

If Jesus did commit suicide, he did not set a good example, did he?

> If Jesus did commit suicide, he did not set a good example, did he?

I don’t know, the same could be said of Socrates. It’s sort of a “my life is over, I don’t want to live any longer, so I won’t fight those who want me dead”.

I figure it’s nice that Jesus’ people decided that Barabbas was a better person than Jesus.

I’ve recently noticed something about pirates. You know that Jesus said “Follow me, and I will make you pirates” (Mark 1:16–18 and Matthew 4:19). You probably also know that the christian Chi-Rho war-flag comes from the first two letters of the word “Christ”. What I noticed is that the Jolly Roger skull and crossbones flag invented in 1710-1720 is very like the christian chi-rho symbol. The “Chi” becomes the crossbones and the head of the “Rho” becomes the skull. I wonder if this similarity is deliberate.

mollwollfumble said:

> If Jesus did commit suicide, he did not set a good example, did he?

I don’t know, the same could be said of Socrates. It’s sort of a “my life is over, I don’t want to live any longer, so I won’t fight those who want me dead”.

I figure it’s nice that Jesus’ people decided that Barabbas was a better person than Jesus.

I’ve recently noticed something about pirates. You know that Jesus said “Follow me, and I will make you pirates” (Mark 1:16–18 and Matthew 4:19). You probably also know that the christian Chi-Rho war-flag comes from the first two letters of the word “Christ”. What I noticed is that the Jolly Roger skull and crossbones flag invented in 1710-1720 is very like the christian chi-rho symbol. The “Chi” becomes the crossbones and the head of the “Rho” becomes the skull. I wonder if this similarity is deliberate.

It is entirely in line with Jesus being a revolutionary figure. I wouldn’t assume there was a deliberate attempt to mimic the Chi-Rho with the Jolly Roger but stranger things have happened. The quote illustrates the likelihood that those who would follow him, making there own decisions rather than bowing to the status-quo, would be made enemies of the state and martyred.

I had an idea for a funny Jesus poster were Jesus rocks up on a motorbike or car armed to the teeth holds out his hand and says “Come with me if you want to live, in eternal life in heaven”

Cymek said:

I had an idea for a funny Jesus poster were Jesus rocks up on a motorbike or car armed to the teeth holds out his hand and says “Come with me if you want to live, in eternal life in heaven”

Neo in Black Trenchcoat works just as well…..

>a bit like standing up on the butts on a rifle range whilst target practice is in progress.

of that your example’t interestin’n not
tendin’ toward ideas that firin’ squad
analogy of overdetermination is what

No

If God is Omniscient and Omnipresent then his will, will always be done . In addition he knew the chain of events and outcome pre “Creation” .
Free will cannot exist under those circumstances as we cannot “do” except that of Gods plan.
To commit suicide it needs to be your choice .

In other words God killed him .
Unless he is not separate identity in the Trinity.

no one really knows what Jesus said for sure – he never wrote one word , likewise Socrates but Socrates never claimed to be divine or inferred divinity

technically Jesus was killed by the Romans and technically the Jewish priesthood didn’t kill Jesus at all , the Romans just acted on their advice. Christians were lining up to be martyred in the arena for entertainment.

religion is purely a vehicle to be used to carry the existing power base and give it further legitimacy

If god greated the sun on the 5th day…

How was it deternined that 4 days had passed?

Thomo said:

In other words God killed him .
Unless he is not separate identity in the Trinity.

Why Did God kill Jesus?

stumpy_seahorse said:

If god greated the sun on the 5th day…

How was it deternined that 4 days had passed?

>>>>>According to Scripture, God “created the heaven and the earth” on Day One of Creation Week (Genesis 1:1). Initially all was dark, until God said, “Let there be light” (v. 3). Days Two and Three saw the oceans, firmament (or atmosphere), continents, and plants formed, as the earth was being progressively prepared for man’s habitation. It was on Day Four that God created the sun, moon, and stars, proclaiming, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven” (v. 14), one purpose of which was “to give light upon the earth” (v. 15).

This light was directional, coming from a particular source. The earth was evidently rotating underneath it, causing alternating periods of light and dark. “And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night” (v. 5).

Skeptics have long ridiculed the science of biblical creation over this point. How could there be light bathing the earth before the sun was created? Obviously the Bible must be in error. But as always, this apparent error drives us to look more closely at the relevant data, both scientific and biblical.<<<<

:)

From

Institute of Creation Reseach ( always entertaining )

http://www.icr.org/article/sunlight-before-sun/

CrazyNeutrino said:

Thomo said:

In other words God killed him .
Unless he is not separate identity in the Trinity.

Why Did God kill Jesus?

Jesus was not acting with Free Will

• How was it deternined that 4 days had passed?

On what day did he create caesium?

Oh the other Why ?

Killing one more person with this Sociopaths record is nothing

Thomo said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Thomo said:

In other words God killed him .
Unless he is not separate identity in the Trinity.

Why Did God kill Jesus?

Jesus was not acting with Free Willy

Thomo said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Thomo said:

In other words God killed him .
Unless he is not separate identity in the Trinity.

Why Did God kill Jesus?

Jesus was not acting with Free Will

Pretty sure he was getting Free WiFi

furious said:

• How was it deternined that 4 days had passed?

On what day did he create caesium?

Caesium along with fossils were placed there iether by the Devil to deceive or by God to test your faith

Thomo said:

furious said:

• How was it deternined that 4 days had passed?

On what day did he create caesium?

Caesium along with fossils were placed there iether by the Devil to deceive or by God to test your faith

Murdoch!!!!!!!!

Thomo said:

Oh the other Why ?

Killing one more person with this Sociopaths record is nothing

stumpy_seahorse said:

Thomo said:

Oh the other Why ?

Killing one more person with this Sociopaths record is nothing

The anthropocentric concept of death is fastidiously narcissistic and a passive aggressive victim neuroses of impressive proportions. Almost 100% certain every single arsehole act that ever occurred came from a human’s effort.

Postpocelipse said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

Thomo said:

Oh the other Why ?

Killing one more person with this Sociopaths record is nothing

The anthropocentric concept of death is fastidiously narcissistic and a passive aggressive victim neuroses of impressive proportions. Almost 100% certain every single arsehole act that ever occurred came from a human’s effort.

I’d say so
The god in religion is a very poor mans god, its power declines the more time progresses.

Over the years I came to like Satan a bit …

He was the one who encouraged Eve to embrace the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
He never asks for anything
He accepts you as you are , doesn’t want change you.
And as Jim Jeffreys says we are only hearing Gods side of this and the Devil is being the bigger man by staying out of it .

Then again what is more ridiculous than a imaginary friend ?
An imaginary enemy …

Cymek said:

I’d say so
The god in religion is a very poor mans god, its power declines the more time progresses.

That is a cute assumption petal……

:P

Thomo said:

Over the years I came to like Satan a bit …

He was the one who encouraged Eve to embrace the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
He never asks for anything
He accepts you as you are , doesn’t want change you.
And as Jim Jeffreys says we are only hearing Gods side of this and the Devil is being the bigger man by staying out of it .

Then again what is more ridiculous than a imaginary friend ?
An imaginary enemy …

The Devil needs an Enemy to exist is apt. It is also noteworthy that humans are far better at perceiving enemies than anything else.

Postpocelipse said:

Cymek said:

I’d say so
The god in religion is a very poor mans god, its power declines the more time progresses.

That is a cute assumption petal……

:P

If a being appeared claimed it was god/a god, how could it prove it, I was thinking you tell it to turn off all the stars in the sky, if it did then it may as well be a god with that type of power assuming it wasn’t just cheap trickery like something between us and the light.

Thomo said:

Then again what is more ridiculous than a imaginary friend ?

…debating motives, timelines and actions of imaginary friend?

Cymek said:

Postpocelipse said:

Cymek said:

I’d say so
The god in religion is a very poor mans god, its power declines the more time progresses.

That is a cute assumption petal……

:P

If a being appeared claimed it was god/a god, how could it prove it, I was thinking you tell it to turn off all the stars in the sky, if it did then it may as well be a god with that type of power assuming it wasn’t just cheap trickery like something between us and the light.

Such things would be considered simple meaningless tricks.

Postpocelipse said:

Thomo said:

Over the years I came to like Satan a bit …

He was the one who encouraged Eve to embrace the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
He never asks for anything
He accepts you as you are , doesn’t want change you.
And as Jim Jeffreys says we are only hearing Gods side of this and the Devil is being the bigger man by staying out of it .

Then again what is more ridiculous than a imaginary friend ?
An imaginary enemy …

The Devil needs an Enemy to exist is apt. It is also noteworthy that humans are far better at perceiving enemies than anything else.

cept no one believes Jeff goldblum.

AwesomeO said:

Thomo said:

Then again what is more ridiculous than a imaginary friend ?

…debating motives, timelines and actions of imaginary friend?

Nah that’s fun as a diversion .
Bit like playing euchre , fun for a while , then you lose interest

Postpocelipse said:

Such things would be considered simple meaningless tricks.

Referring to various teachings from the East, god exists as something quite similar to The Force. Physical manifestation is limited to very specific instances and reasons, while any physical appearance is specific to each individuals perception of him.

I’m quietly confident that the Jesus of the Bible is essentially a mythical figure.

If there was a “real Jesus” on which the character was based, we know nothing about him.

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Such things would be considered simple meaningless tricks.

Referring to various teachings from the East, god exists as something quite similar to The Force. Physical manifestation is limited to very specific instances and reasons, while any physical appearance is specific to each individuals perception of him.

I have been reading about the Greek gods. That’s an interesting bunch. Basically human motives and desires, a few superpowers and immortal. They take sides in human affairs, impreginate humans and take an interest in the offspring. A complicated genealogy and they are all in feuds with each other. Olympia soap operas.

AwesomeO said:

Postpocelipse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Such things would be considered simple meaningless tricks.

Referring to various teachings from the East, god exists as something quite similar to The Force. Physical manifestation is limited to very specific instances and reasons, while any physical appearance is specific to each individuals perception of him.

I have been reading about the Greek gods. That’s an interesting bunch. Basically human motives and desires, a few superpowers and immortal. They take sides in human affairs, impreginate humans and take an interest in the offspring. A complicated genealogy and they are all in feuds with each other. Olympia soap operas.

That is an interesting area. I’m personally convinced the Greek myths rose from the actions of Ghandas of Babylon whom I believe essentially created The Sea Peoples from his trade-migratory allies originating in India and known to have accessed the Mediterranean through the Red Sea. At the same time The Sea Peoples appeared there was also a massive migration from the Scandinavian region to the Mediterranean area that became Macedonia, which provides a strong link between the origins of both Mediterranean mythology and that of the peoples of Odin.

Postpocelipse said:

AwesomeO said:

Postpocelipse said:

Referring to various teachings from the East, god exists as something quite similar to The Force. Physical manifestation is limited to very specific instances and reasons, while any physical appearance is specific to each individuals perception of him.

I have been reading about the Greek gods. That’s an interesting bunch. Basically human motives and desires, a few superpowers and immortal. They take sides in human affairs, impreginate humans and take an interest in the offspring. A complicated genealogy and they are all in feuds with each other. Olympia soap operas.

That is an interesting area. I’m personally convinced the Greek myths rose from the actions of Ghandas of Babylon whom I believe essentially created The Sea Peoples from his trade-migratory allies originating in India and known to have accessed the Mediterranean through the Red Sea. At the same time The Sea Peoples appeared there was also a massive migration from the Scandinavian region to the Mediterranean area that became Macedonia, which provides a strong link between the origins of both Mediterranean mythology and that of the peoples of Odin.

There was just over 100 years between the time of Ghandas and the destruction of Santorini. So much momentum was created from Ghandas’s diplomacy that the destruction of Santorini did not eliminate the migrations he fostered although it would seem apparent that Santorini did lead to the demise of The Sea Peoples some 5 centuries later.

it’s hard with pre history

no one knows where the Etruscans came from for example

Jesus did an apple update

I see the knives out for the high sparrow of the Labour Party in Britain ( yes they spell it properly in Britain )

wookiemeister said:

I see the knives out for the high sparrow of the Labour Party in Britain ( yes they spell it properly in Britain )

He’s not for turning.

>Then again what is more ridiculous than a imaginary friend ?

in a very real way the projection and experience of consciousness is an imaginary friend

not imaginary in the way some might dismiss or deride, more functional utility – necessary of consciousness.

and variations of the God theme (the concept) are sorta metaphor for consciousness, the projection.

transition said:

>Then again what is more ridiculous than a imaginary friend ?

in a very real way the projection and experience of consciousness is an imaginary friend

not imaginary in the way some might dismiss or deride, more functional utility – necessary of consciousness.

and variations of the God theme (the concept) are sorta metaphor for consciousness, the projection.

Transforming and heightening one’s experience of the world via the imagination is good and noble thing, as long as one remembers that the experience is then partly imaginary.

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

>Then again what is more ridiculous than a imaginary friend ?

in a very real way the projection and experience of consciousness is an imaginary friend

not imaginary in the way some might dismiss or deride, more functional utility – necessary of consciousness.

and variations of the God theme (the concept) are sorta metaphor for consciousness, the projection.

Transforming and heightening one’s experience of the world via the imagination is good and noble thing, as long as one remembers that the experience is then partly imaginary.

well, there’s that, the representational apparatus, the work of, and ideas about what it injects into experience.

but there’s something more of the I, ego, identity, being able to summon and configure variations of.

you may see imaginary as soft, you know it’s the experience of something fleshy (blood pumping around and all), and it is soft in ways, but like gravity is invisible it does provide something of a solid reality because of such.

the imaginary friend in the wetware hasn’t been replicated outside wetware yet, not here on earth.

but there’s something more of the tricks the mind tools project, that makes I, the differentiated/ing individual, that peculiar 1(one).

transition said:

>Then again what is more ridiculous than a imaginary friend ?

in a very real way the projection and experience of consciousness is an imaginary friend

not imaginary in the way some might dismiss or deride, more functional utility – necessary of consciousness.

and variations of the God theme (the concept) are sorta metaphor for consciousness, the projection.

That is an acceptable analysis for my money.

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

transition said:

>Then again what is more ridiculous than a imaginary friend ?

in a very real way the projection and experience of consciousness is an imaginary friend

not imaginary in the way some might dismiss or deride, more functional utility – necessary of consciousness.

and variations of the God theme (the concept) are sorta metaphor for consciousness, the projection.

Transforming and heightening one’s experience of the world via the imagination is good and noble thing, as long as one remembers that the experience is then partly imaginary.

well, there’s that, the representational apparatus, the work of, and ideas about what it injects into experience.

but there’s something more of the I, ego, identity, being able to summon and configure variations of.

you may see imaginary as soft, you know it’s the experience of something fleshy (blood pumping around and all), and it is soft in ways, but like gravity is invisible it does provide something of a solid reality because of such.

the imaginary friend in the wetware hasn’t been replicated outside wetware yet, not here on earth.

but there’s something more of the tricks the mind tools project, that makes I, the differentiated/ing individual, that peculiar 1(one).

As hand wavy as you can be I believe your description here is apt considering the elusive nature of consciousness.

The platform will avoid in or out arguments by letting remain voters hook up with each other for a proper European union.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/jun/29/remain-in-love-a-new-app-for-the-48-percenters

ROFL

wookiemeister said:

it’s hard with pre history

no one knows where the Etruscans came from for example

Thanks for providing me another lead to add to those of mysterious origin. Willl se what I can turn up about these folk.

:)

Postpocelipse said:

wookiemeister said:

it’s hard with pre history

no one knows where the Etruscans came from for example

Thanks for providing me another lead to add to those of mysterious origin. Willl se what I can turn up about these folk.

:)

They came from Africa, same as everyone else.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Postpocelipse said:

wookiemeister said:

it’s hard with pre history

no one knows where the Etruscans came from for example

Thanks for providing me another lead to add to those of mysterious origin. Willl se what I can turn up about these folk.

:)

They came from Africa, same as everyone else.

You obviously didn’t write “the greatest story ever told”.

Postpocelipse said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Postpocelipse said:

Thanks for providing me another lead to add to those of mysterious origin. Willl se what I can turn up about these folk.

:)

They came from Africa, same as everyone else.

You obviously didn’t write “the greatest story ever told”.

It is interesting that the Hebrew retained an awareness of this original migration in the old testament but it is even more interesting that the word of mouth tradition that bred Ghenghis also contained mention of a place of origin of all tribes.

>…..the elusive nature of consciousness.

Can’t say I agree it’s elusive. One thing it does make possible is detachment from (and) responses to immediate environmental inputs (stimuli, whatever). This means the mind tools are freed up for more tasks internal, if you like.

I’d think rather than elusive the internal invisible friend is that which an individual is most familiar, yet it requires effort, a substantial and consistent effort, it’s work.

transition said:

>…..the elusive nature of consciousness.

Can’t say I agree it’s elusive. One thing it does make possible is detachment from (and) responses to immediate environmental inputs (stimuli, whatever). This means the mind tools are freed up for more tasks internal, if you like.

I’d think rather than elusive the internal invisible friend is that which an individual is most familiar, yet it requires effort, a substantial and consistent effort, it’s work.

I only intended to imply it’s description or quantification is elusive seeing as it is largely taken for granted……..

>….it is largely taken for granted……..

can’t say that it is largely taken for granted, to generalize of others, much as i’m inclined which isn’t much, if at all.

but i’m unusual, I like being asleep, more than anything. Everything else is slightly better than glue sniffing (not to be taken too literally).

Postpocelipse said:

wookiemeister said:

it’s hard with pre history

no one knows where the Etruscans came from for example

Thanks for providing me another lead to add to those of mysterious origin. Willl se what I can turn up about these folk.

:)

I’m ful of useful Inormation

ChrispenEvan said:

like :)

ChrispenEvan said:

the Romans used 5 minute araldite

wookiemeister said:

ChrispenEvan said:

the Romans used V minute araldite

*fixed

stumpy_seahorse said:

wookiemeister said:

ChrispenEvan said:

the Romans used V minute araldite

*fixed

thumb up

stumpy_seahorse said:

wookiemeister said:

ChrispenEvan said:

the Romans used V minute araldite

*fixed

The heat of the sun would have unfixed it.

roughbarked said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

wookiemeister said:

the Romans used V minute araldite

*fixed

The heat of the sun would have unfixed it.

They needed to use the XXIV araldite.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

*fixed

The heat of the sun would have unfixed it.

They needed to use the XXIV araldite.

the XXIV hour araldite takes three days to properly cure.

If the motive behind this thread includes understanding the martyr aspect of mid-eastern philosophy I can only say this. If the muslim fundamentalists believe Christ’s martyring in any way supports their idea of martyrdom then they have entirely missed the technical points of his methods which were lawful, ie: he told his truth and was sentenced to death for doing so. He was basically the first person recorded as having been sentence for someone else’s/imaginary crimes. His action, like Leonidis’s at Thermopylae, showed that law was needed and fallible when applied for the purpose of rulers and authority rather than for the safety of the community.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

The heat of the sun would have unfixed it.

They needed to use the XXIV araldite.

the XXIV hour araldite takes three days to properly cure.

erroneous advertising even in those days?

Postpocelipse said:

If the motive behind this thread includes understanding the martyr aspect of mid-eastern philosophy I can only say this. If the muslim fundamentalists believe Christ’s martyring in any way supports their idea of martyrdom then they have entirely missed the technical points of his methods which were lawful, ie: he told his truth and was sentenced to death for doing so. He was basically the first person recorded as having been sentence for someone else’s/imaginary crimes. His action, like Leonidis’s at Thermopylae, showed that law was needed and fallible when applied for the purpose of rulers and authority rather than for the safety of the community.

You are aware that Jesus has many mentions in the Qüran?

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

If the motive behind this thread includes understanding the martyr aspect of mid-eastern philosophy I can only say this. If the muslim fundamentalists believe Christ’s martyring in any way supports their idea of martyrdom then they have entirely missed the technical points of his methods which were lawful, ie: he told his truth and was sentenced to death for doing so. He was basically the first person recorded as having been sentence for someone else’s/imaginary crimes. His action, like Leonidis’s at Thermopylae, showed that law was needed and fallible when applied for the purpose of rulers and authority rather than for the safety of the community.

You are aware that Jesus has many mentions in the Qüran?

Course. Haven’t actually looked those up.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

They needed to use the XXIV araldite.

the XXIV hour araldite takes three days to properly cure.

erroneous advertising even in those days?

No

it is about choice. The two versions of araldite are offered because you have a choice. Do you want a reasonably durable quick fix or do you want a far more than acceptable durability for a small amount of downtime?

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

the XXIV hour araldite takes three days to properly cure.

erroneous advertising even in those days?

No

it is about choice. The two versions of araldite are offered because you have a choice. Do you want a reasonably durable quick fix or do you want a far more than acceptable durability for a small amount of downtime?

no I was referring to the 24 hr araldite requiring 3 days to cure.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

If the motive behind this thread includes understanding the martyr aspect of mid-eastern philosophy I can only say this. If the muslim fundamentalists believe Christ’s martyring in any way supports their idea of martyrdom then they have entirely missed the technical points of his methods which were lawful, ie: he told his truth and was sentenced to death for doing so. He was basically the first person recorded as having been sentence for someone else’s/imaginary crimes. His action, like Leonidis’s at Thermopylae, showed that law was needed and fallible when applied for the purpose of rulers and authority rather than for the safety of the community.

You are aware that Jesus has many mentions in the Qüran?

Course. Haven’t actually looked those up.

So where was he when he was missing from the bible?

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

You are aware that Jesus has many mentions in the Qüran?

Course. Haven’t actually looked those up.

So where was he when he was missing from the bible?

Learning kama-sutra moves from this messed up wicked chick in India……

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

erroneous advertising even in those days?

No

it is about choice. The two versions of araldite are offered because you have a choice. Do you want a reasonably durable quick fix or do you want a far more than acceptable durability for a small amount of downtime?

no I was referring to the 24 hr araldite requiring 3 days to cure.

not erroneous. It is on the label. in the instructions. yes. 24 hours and you can move it out of the clamps. Three days before you try to lift a Tiger Tank from araldited contacts.