Dallas Police Used ROBOT To Kill Shooting Suspect

http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/07/dallas-police-robot-suspect-really/

Dallas Police Chief David Brown said Friday morning during a press conference that police “saw no other option but to use our bomb robot and place a device on its extension for it to detonate” where the suspect had taken refuge in a parking garage as police tried to negotiate with him, adding that he was “deceased as a result of detonating the bomb.”

wookiemeister said:

Dallas Police Used ROBOT To Kill Shooting Suspect

http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/07/dallas-police-robot-suspect-really/

Dallas Police Chief David Brown said Friday morning during a press conference that police “saw no other option but to use our bomb robot and place a device on its extension for it to detonate” where the suspect had taken refuge in a parking garage as police tried to negotiate with him, adding that he was “deceased as a result of detonating the bomb.”

its not all that different of throwing in a hand grenade

robot takes it in

Not really a robot robot though. They steered it in and remotely detonated. More a remote platform.

wookiemeister said:

Dallas Police Used ROBOT To Kill Shooting Suspect

http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/07/dallas-police-robot-suspect-really/

Dallas Police Chief David Brown said Friday morning during a press conference that police “saw no other option but to use our bomb robot and place a device on its extension for it to detonate” where the suspect had taken refuge in a parking garage as police tried to negotiate with him, adding that he was “deceased as a result of detonating the bomb.”

They said that from the start

imagine if they had used a reaper drone

AwesomeO said:

Not really a robot robot though. They steered it in and remotely detonated. More a remote platform.

must be a quiet robot too

wookiemeister said:

imagine if they had used a reaper drone

if they wanted to take out the whole building

which would be overkill

CrazyNeutrino said:

AwesomeO said:

Not really a robot robot though. They steered it in and remotely detonated. More a remote platform.

must be a quiet robot too

guy with military background did not hear it

maybe didn’t think to set up movement detectors and such

CrazyNeutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

imagine if they had used a reaper drone

if they wanted to take out the whole building

which would be overkill

it sends a message and creates a bit of employment

A big chunk of c-4 going off in your face – that’s the big don’t-argue.

Not without precedent. I seem to remember two blokes holed up in a concrete structure on top a building somewhere in the US in the late 70s (early 80s?).

The cops just got a military helicopter equipped with a mini-gun, and it sat there and put 100 bullets a second into the wall, until it’d chewed a hole right through. Then they kept going until they were sure the ricochets had killed everything inside, and the went in and hosed it out completed their investigation.

CrazyNeutrino said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

AwesomeO said:

Not really a robot robot though. They steered it in and remotely detonated. More a remote platform.

must be a quiet robot too

guy with military background did not hear it

maybe didn’t think to set up movement detectors and such

If it was wheeled and not tracked, electric motors it would be pretty quiet. Plus his ears were probably ringing after a shed load of rounds echoing off concrete.

CrazyNeutrino said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

AwesomeO said:

Not really a robot robot though. They steered it in and remotely detonated. More a remote platform.

must be a quiet robot too

guy with military background did not hear it

maybe didn’t think to set up movement detectors and such

he obviously wasnt very good

i don’t know many snipers that be allowed to be cornered

if he had taken a few shots and then moved he’d still be alive

mcgoon said:

A big chunk of c-4 going off in your face – that’s the big don’t-argue.

Not without precedent. I seem to remember two blokes holed up in a concrete structure on top a building somewhere in the US in the late 70s (early 80s?).

The cops just got a military helicopter equipped with a mini-gun, and it sat there and put 100 bullets a second into the wall, until it’d chewed a hole right through. Then they kept going until they were sure the ricochets had killed everything inside, and the went in and hosed it out completed their investigation.

they didn’t want to interview them

My grand-dad was a sniper.

One of the rules: always have at least two escape routes.

normally you have a plan B , a place to return to and regroup

you have a strategy

then again , he was US army trained so …

AwesomeO said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

must be a quiet robot too

guy with military background did not hear it

maybe didn’t think to set up movement detectors and such

If it was wheeled and not tracked, electric motors it would be pretty quiet. Plus his ears were probably ringing after a shed load of rounds echoing off concrete.

electric motors are a good choice for creeping up on creeps

good to develop even quieter electric drones

they asked me if i wanted to be a sniper, i couldn’t see the point of it, exactly what employment prospects would there be? (plus i didn’t have the heart to tell them i didn’t want to do that sort of thing , its a bit cowardly – though effective. i’d need a very good reason to shoot anyone in the capacity of a sniper)

turns out the snipers of the police could have killed the bloke in the chocolate shop but weren’t allowed to.

he wasn’t a trained sniper.

wookiemeister said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

must be a quiet robot too

guy with military background did not hear it

maybe didn’t think to set up movement detectors and such

he obviously wasnt very good

i don’t know many snipers that be allowed to be cornered

if he had taken a few shots and then moved he’d still be alive

maybe he had no getaway plan

just die shooting

maybe that was his message

Sniping is not all that cowardly.

You’re possibly out on your own, maybe have one bloke with you for ‘security’.

The people you’re shooting at really, REALLY want to kill you. If you linger a moment too long, they’ll have counter-snipers on to you, send out lots of heavy patrols, or, more probably, call artillery on to where they think you are very quickly indeed.

wookiemeister said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

must be a quiet robot too

guy with military background did not hear it

maybe didn’t think to set up movement detectors and such

he obviously wasnt very good

i don’t know many snipers that be allowed to be cornered

if he had taken a few shots and then moved he’d still be alive

Not very good. Fuck he killed and injured enough in the short time he was active.

mcgoon said:

Sniping is not all that cowardly.

You’re possibly out on your own, maybe have one bloke with you for ‘security’.

The people you’re shooting at really, REALLY want to kill you. If you linger a moment too long, they’ll have counter-snipers on to you, send out lots of heavy patrols, or, more probably, call artillery on to where they think you are very quickly indeed.

Not maybe, always, snipers in western armies operate in pairs with one as a spotter.

wookiemeister said:

they asked me if i wanted to be a sniper, i couldn’t see the point of it, exactly what employment prospects would there be? (plus i didn’t have the heart to tell them i didn’t want to do that sort of thing , its a bit cowardly – though effective. i’d need a very good reason to shoot anyone in the capacity of a sniper)

turns out the snipers of the police could have killed the bloke in the chocolate shop but weren’t allowed to.

One report said that they didn’t because they ‘couldn’t be sure it was him’

Arts said:

wookiemeister said:

they asked me if i wanted to be a sniper, i couldn’t see the point of it, exactly what employment prospects would there be? (plus i didn’t have the heart to tell them i didn’t want to do that sort of thing , its a bit cowardly – though effective. i’d need a very good reason to shoot anyone in the capacity of a sniper)

turns out the snipers of the police could have killed the bloke in the chocolate shop but weren’t allowed to.

One report said that they didn’t because they ‘couldn’t be sure it was him’

Doctrine is changing. It used to be contain and negotiate, the longer the negotiating the better. In the Monis siege they only went in when he started shooting.

Now with Islamic nutters they are changing to a more go hard early and first responders will have powers to start shooting instead of containing.

AwesomeO said:

Arts said:

wookiemeister said:

they asked me if i wanted to be a sniper, i couldn’t see the point of it, exactly what employment prospects would there be? (plus i didn’t have the heart to tell them i didn’t want to do that sort of thing , its a bit cowardly – though effective. i’d need a very good reason to shoot anyone in the capacity of a sniper)

turns out the snipers of the police could have killed the bloke in the chocolate shop but weren’t allowed to.

One report said that they didn’t because they ‘couldn’t be sure it was him’

Doctrine is changing. It used to be contain and negotiate, the longer the negotiating the better. In the Monis siege they only went in when he started shooting.

Now with Islamic nutters they are changing to a more go hard early and first responders will have powers to start shooting instead of containing.

A bit of a change in civilian thinking as well. If some bloke now stands up to hijack an aircraft there’s a fairly big chance he gets tackled immediately. Same goes for a group.

Arts said:

wookiemeister said:

they asked me if i wanted to be a sniper, i couldn’t see the point of it, exactly what employment prospects would there be? (plus i didn’t have the heart to tell them i didn’t want to do that sort of thing , its a bit cowardly – though effective. i’d need a very good reason to shoot anyone in the capacity of a sniper)

turns out the snipers of the police could have killed the bloke in the chocolate shop but weren’t allowed to.

One report said that they didn’t because they ‘couldn’t be sure it was him’

yeah there could be more than one person in distinctive clothing strutting around with a gun

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

Arts said:

One report said that they didn’t because they ‘couldn’t be sure it was him’

Doctrine is changing. It used to be contain and negotiate, the longer the negotiating the better. In the Monis siege they only went in when he started shooting.

Now with Islamic nutters they are changing to a more go hard early and first responders will have powers to start shooting instead of containing.

A bit of a change in civilian thinking as well. If some bloke now stands up to hijack an aircraft there’s a fairly big chance he gets tackled immediately. Same goes for a group.

Exactly. During 9/11 they hijackers knew that they would have ultimate power since the protocol then was to allow them to have the plane land then deal with demands etc… Hence a smile weapon as ‘box cutters’ No one though that a hijacked plane was going to be crashed into a building. The one flight that went down due to passenger storming already knew what was going on by that stage.. Now it’s storm storm storm. Also they still have flight police right? Whatever they call them.

wookiemeister said:

Arts said:

wookiemeister said:

they asked me if i wanted to be a sniper, i couldn’t see the point of it, exactly what employment prospects would there be? (plus i didn’t have the heart to tell them i didn’t want to do that sort of thing , its a bit cowardly – though effective. i’d need a very good reason to shoot anyone in the capacity of a sniper)

turns out the snipers of the police could have killed the bloke in the chocolate shop but weren’t allowed to.

One report said that they didn’t because they ‘couldn’t be sure it was him’

yeah there could be more than one person in distinctive clothing strutting around with a gun

Well he wasn’t strutting apround … All reports talk of him sitting and making hostages do everything for him.

Arts said:

wookiemeister said:

Arts said:

One report said that they didn’t because they ‘couldn’t be sure it was him’

yeah there could be more than one person in distinctive clothing strutting around with a gun

Well he wasn’t strutting apround … All reports talk of him sitting and making hostages do everything for him.

no

the snipers could see him

they won’t admit police managers are rubbish and only good for speed cameras

though shooting at an angle through glass is problematic.

ChrispenEvan said:

though shooting at an angle through glass is problematic.

use a 50 cal

wookiemeister said:

Arts said:

wookiemeister said:

yeah there could be more than one person in distinctive clothing strutting around with a gun

Well he wasn’t strutting apround … All reports talk of him sitting and making hostages do everything for him.

no

the snipers could see him

they won’t admit police managers are rubbish and only good for speed cameras

They did, a least, admit that it could have been handled better.

wookiemeister said:

ChrispenEvan said:

though shooting at an angle through glass is problematic.

use a 50 cal

They were worried about Rick O’Shea using normal bullets.

seems he had not have a plan

that his message was retaliation

a tit fo tat retaliation

this has happened before

most recent with the cigarette guy who got strangled to death by an officer who had other officers around him

soon after a black guy shot two officers to death in a police car through the cars open window, he then ran off and shot himself

there are other cases of revenge type killings

Hollywood, Disney and other movie TV production houses make thousands of storytelling movies a year

while this reality story of America at war with itself goes on

CrazyNeutrino said:

Hollywood, Disney and other movie TV production houses make thousands of storytelling movies a year

while this reality story of America at war with itself goes on

Behind the billion dollar gun industry lies the trillion dollar defense industry.

wookiemeister said:

imagine if they had used a reaper drone

LOL
or a Frogstar Scout robot class D

Military Robotics Makers See a Future for Armed Police Robots

Robot-maker Sean Bielat says he’s fine with the Dallas Police Department’s apparently unprecedented use of a police bomb-disposal robot to kill a gunman on Thursday. “A robot was used to keep people out of harm’s way in an extreme situation,” said Bielat, the CEO of Endeavor Robotics, a spinoff of iRobot’s military division. “That’s how robots are intended to be used.”

Joergen Pedersen, the CEO of RE2 robotics and the chairman of the National Defense Industrial Association’s robotics division concurred. “If these robots are used in manners for which they were unintended, we would expect that the officers who are there to keep citizens and themselves safe would use good judgment where the application of lethal force is a last resort,” he said.

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